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2006-08-03 12:45:58 PM
Also, if oil did reach $200 a barrel, in the long run it would not benefit anyone because there would be a global recession.
 
2006-08-03 12:46:04 PM
elchip
Me fail math? Thats umpossible.

I see my errors. I am doing it all wrong and thats what I get for being up 48 hours. Hurray!

/All ignore my fuzzy calculator!
//heh heh fuzzy
 
2006-08-03 12:46:16 PM
heavymetal Don't forget it costs on average around $30 a barrell to extract the oil. Instead of refining it at that price and passing the savings on to the consumer, they put it on the commodities market and buy it back from themselves at $70+ bucks a barrell so they can charge us more per gallon.

Thank you. Then they take a portion of that profit and place a hedge bet as a little CYA.
 
2006-08-03 12:46:41 PM
hell, I say go for it. It makes alternative fuels a hell of a lot more economically viable. Would encourage American energy independence. (Good from a defense stand point). Iran would basically shoot themselves in the foot in the long run. Sorry Iran your economy and much of the middle eastern economy is dependant upon international reliance on oil. What else you chumps going to sale Persian rugs? (It’s not good to piss off one of the worlds biggest consumers)
 
2006-08-03 12:47:15 PM
whidbey: It's just easier, I guess. Although I really don't see how someone could justify driving a hour or even two hours just to get to work.


Its the selfishness i talked about.... they absolutely HAVE to have that 3 story McMansion in Modesto while commuting to San Jose because they can afford it there. fark poor urban planning. I hate cities. I want my Sim City to come to life....


WHERE ARE THE farkING ARCOLOGIES ALREADY!
 
2006-08-03 12:47:19 PM
screw bikes
the real answer is skateboards
 
2006-08-03 12:47:56 PM
img.epinions.com

Oil? I don't need oil!

Or at least, I don't need gasoline! I know petroleum is still needed to make the bike and components... but at least I don't rock out with a Hummer.

Living in Chicago, I see all sorts of dumbasses with these HUGE cars and SUVs, and something tells me that they don't go off roading. I mean, do you need a 7000 lb SUV to get groceries?

I say: good. Let gas become a cripplingly expensive resource. Let small business come back. High gas prices mean a return to small business, local workers. When it becomes cheaper to grow crops locally rather than pay to import them because of high fuel costs.

Sure, it's going to suck immediately, but I would like to think that the long term effects of this are more positive than negative.

And really, for road cycling, who needs 21 gears? Why not just use one, and get into great shape? Better yet, ride fixed gear. Who needs to coast?

I don't.
 
2006-08-03 12:48:17 PM
paygun: Why wouldn't it work? For all the steel that has to be delivered to the bike factory, we'll just make a big MEGABIKE that has like 300 people on it pedaling their asses off.


Also known as a Bus.
 
2006-08-03 12:48:38 PM
st_gulik:

Wow, just wow. You guys have not clue one about Arizona. 3 weeks was just the latest heat wave. We have three MONTHS of 100+ degree weather.

I don't know guy, I was in Vegas last summer and went out to Red Rock Canyon to do some hiking on a 118 day. Found it very tolerable. Not that we did anything extremely strenuous, but with plenty of water it wasn't such a much.
/wouldn't bike 25 miles in it though
 
2006-08-03 12:48:46 PM
Well, this didn't seem to affect oil prices, as they are down by almost a dollar, although they are still in the $75 a barrell range.
 
2006-08-03 12:48:58 PM
I think Iran doesnt get it. The more oil costs the less of it will be purchased. I dont remember Iran being a massive exporter of much else.

Exports - commodities:
petroleum 80%, chemical and petrochemical products, fruits and nuts, carpets

\Iran is the poster child for shooting yourself in the foot.
 
2006-08-03 12:49:02 PM
dependence on oil is one of the biggest threats to national security. good thing we have an administration so strong on defense.

koniver
Also, if oil did reach $200 a barrel, in the long run it would not benefit anyone because there would be a global recession.

exxon exec: "what's a long run? nevermind, I gotta go, the helicopter transporting my yacht to the ocean is here to pick me up!"
 
2006-08-03 12:49:04 PM
st_gulik: I'm buying a Biodiesel car, but your Bike Idea is CRAP in the DESERT.

You're still a naysayer, gulik.

Oh, and the closest stops to me from where I work are three point four and three point six miles away respectively, of course the 3.4 is in the wrong direction and the wrong line even so yeah.

Of course, the idea that you could bike out to these stops is out of the question.

Let's hear some more excuses. I'm all ears.
 
2006-08-03 12:49:46 PM
default_user01

You can still rock out on that thing...
Get you some spinngers, a thumping system, lights, etc

Just like Stewie!

lazykracker.com
 
2006-08-03 12:50:03 PM
whidbey

No one likes you. Get the fark out of here.
 
2006-08-03 12:50:24 PM
I guess Iran is going to have to make a lot more nuts and carpets to make up for the petro exports.

\Unless they stop sending money to terrorist groups and start putting into the economy.
 
2006-08-03 12:50:29 PM
GaryPDX: I much prefer buying my energy from American farmers instead of middle eastern nutballs.

Like meat much? Or corn muffins?

Because it takes 15% of our corn harvest (in a good year) to make 2.8% of our automotive fuel. If you took 100% of the harvest, meaning no corn to export to starving Africans, no corn to make muffins or tortillas, and no corn to feed to hogs and cattle, you could supply a bit less than 20% of the demand for automotive fuel.

You would actually need 5 more of each of the corn belt states, all the way from Indiana to Nebraska, to make 100% of automotive fuels.

Now, we're not counting the fact that a good bit of oil is required to fertilize that corn, and a fair amount of energy is needed to grow, transport, mash, ferment, distill, and transport the resulting ethanol--so much that you get, at best, about a quarter or a third more energy out than you put in, and some say it doesn't even break even. So plan on importing oil to cover this raw material and energy need.

Then, the usefulness of ethanol as a fuel is questionable. It contains less energy, roughly 2/3s, per weight and per volume, of gasoline. It burns hotter, causing more NOX emissions. It is more corrosive, requiring more expensive engines to burn it as a result.

Bottom line--ethanol is never going to be a viable solution. It makes shiatloads of money for ADM, it helps keep the Senators and Representatives from Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, and Indiana in power (including donations from ADM, of course), and it gives people a good feeling when they buy their E85 vehicles, but it doesn't do a goddamn thing to save energy or reduce energy dependence.
 
2006-08-03 12:50:33 PM
whidbey: You haven't answered why you can't ride in the morning when it's cooler and take a bus home.

I did answer it, you just can't read! I posted about the crappy bus routes, and I posted about the heat...but you seem to think that human beings can ride in 106 degree weather (in the morning here on my way in) and then ride almost four miles to a bus stop to ride the bus home in the 116 weather.

Otherwise, suck it up and pay the higher prices. It's your bed, you made it. Lie in it if you're not willing to consider alternatives.

FARK YOU. Can you not READ!? I posted that I am buying a Bio-Diesel Jetta here in a few months, people on here have known this for awhile. Oh, and let's not forget that I am already car pooling with a Volvo and a Hyundai so yeah.

What I'm trying to get through your sightless head is that BIKES are not the ANSWER for MOST people. Simply because of lack of time. Single moms working two jobs and having to take care of her kids. Where do the groceries and the kids from daycare go on her bike!?

Where do I, as a Single Dad, put my daughter who I pick up on Fridays? Where does her backpack go? The stuff I buy every week at the store for dinners? My fifteen pounds of paperwork I cart to and from work everyday? And my clothes? Yeah, saddlebags aren't that big, and adding that much weight to an already death inducing bike ride is sure to put the final nail in the coffin. I wouldn't even be able to cary enough water that I would need for that one ride. Hell, water costs alone would run about the cost of oil for me, and I'd be dirty and in need of a shower and an hour late (or an hour of less sleep).

Do I need to keep shoving sticks in your bent spokes of an argument?
 
2006-08-03 12:50:42 PM
replace highways with waterways, ride boats to work problem solved
 
2006-08-03 12:51:01 PM
I blame the hippies and the eco-nuts.
If it was not for them wanting to "save the planet" and "thinking globally and acting locally" bullshiat. we could have drilled for oil all over the united states. we could have built many more refineries. we could have had only a few blends of fuel instead of 100's of them.
But becuase drilling for oil and building a refinery or two might maybe cause a little harm to the yellow cocked sparrows mating habits. or the drinking water of some caribu we are paying $10 a gallon of gas.

fark you you dirty stinking hippie motherfarkers.
 
2006-08-03 12:51:18 PM
Maxwell_Smart: No one likes you. Get the fark out of here.

Niiice. Let's hear some more insults. Say em louder so the mods can hear...:)
 
2006-08-03 12:51:51 PM
st_gulik: Where do I, as a Single Dad, put my daughter who I pick up on Fridays? Where does her backpack go? The stuff I buy every week at the store for dinners? My fifteen pounds of paperwork I cart to and from work everyday? And my clothes? Yeah, saddlebags aren't that big, and adding that much weight to an already death inducing bike ride is sure to put the final nail in the coffin. I wouldn't even be able to cary enough water that I would need for that one ride. Hell, water costs alone would run about the cost of oil for me, and I'd be dirty and in need of a shower and an hour late (or an hour of less sleep).


I answered that for him. DONT LIVE IN THE DESERT YOU JACKASS
 
2006-08-03 12:52:01 PM
I read the article, and though I think this man is the devil incarnate-- he didn't say that Israel the country should go. he said the Zionist Regime.

hmmm
 
2006-08-03 12:52:14 PM
whidbey: It's still substantial enough that a reduction is vital.

I see your point, though. Consider that we import food from the East coast of the US that could be grown locally instead of shlepping it crosscountry...



Again not arguing against conservation or efficiency in usage. The issue you bring up however is the exception not the rule. Nearly every single produce item in any grocery store is almost always when possible grown locally... when in season.

Wal-mart for example is the biggest purchaser of green beans in my area than any other retailer. They buy them in season and only truck them in when out of season.

The first step in reducing our oil dependancy is cheap electricity that isn't produced from fossil fuels. We get over this step.. everything else will fall into place without much problem.
 
2006-08-03 12:52:28 PM
Sorry, why were we developing the alberta oil sands agian....oh right, this just reminded me.
 
2006-08-03 12:52:45 PM
whidbey Of course, the idea that you could bike out to these stops is out of the question. Let's hear some more excuses. I'm all ears.

I am not a 15 year old kid and I like the pleasure of a woman's company. Will that work for you?
 
2006-08-03 12:53:45 PM
pandabear:

your argument is flawed

If you took 100% of the harvest, meaning no corn to export to starving Africans,

You should see how much food is put to waste rather than exported to hungry nations/our own starving people. AFricans get shiat from us. Our "family" farmers are PAID to destroy crops. How convienient. Nice try to appeal to emotion though.
 
2006-08-03 12:54:01 PM
whidbey: You're still a naysayer, gulik.


I AM, becuase until I see you bike through 15 miles of Arizona Heat and jump off your bike with just a change of clothes ready to work and chipper I think your Idea is Full of shiate.

I AM Not only NAYSAYING YOU, but I am CALLING YOU AND IDIOT and a FOOL.
 
2006-08-03 12:54:37 PM
I would gladly ride a bike to work, but there is little room for:

Tools
Ladders
Pipe
Wire

I tried once but its a bit awkward.
 
2006-08-03 12:57:22 PM
In one fell swoop we could be off the oil by building the new style nuclear reactors and using them to make hydrogen for our vehicles and use electricity for home heating. Then as fusion becomes a viable alternative you build those and replace the nuke plants…
 
2006-08-03 12:57:33 PM
WSUCanuck: I answered that for him. DONT LIVE IN THE DESERT YOU JACKASS


Not all of us enjoy freezing our balls off like you obviously have, or living in your grey skied shiate holes with no culture expect church socials and Don't'cha'knows.

You can ride your bike to your heart's content in Alaska, Washington, Oregon, N & S Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, etc., but when the Major International AIRPORT in your city shuts down because it is too hot then maybe going outside to ride a bike 1 mile, let alone 3 (to your bus stop) is a little INSANE.
 
2006-08-03 12:57:46 PM
st_gulik: but you seem to think that human beings can ride in 106 degree weather (in the morning here on my way in)

It's 106 degrees at 6:00 in the morning where you live?

and then ride almost four miles to a bus stop to ride the bus home in the 116 weather

Four miles is nothing on a bike, gulik. Nothing. You'd be there before you knew it.

Feltonl: fark you you dirty stinking hippie motherfarkers.

Personally, I'm glad we ruined your day.

st_gulik: Oh, and let's not forget that I am already car pooling with a Volvo and a Hyundai so yeah.

Well, at least that's a redeeming factor.

What I'm trying to get through your sightless head is that BIKES are not the ANSWER for MOST people. Simply because of lack of time.

Which is bullshiat, quite frankly. Most people are able-bodied and could handle a bike quite well.

Single moms working two jobs and having to take care of her kids. Where do the groceries and the kids from daycare go on her bike!?

I'm sure there are still single moms out there that make you look bad.

Yeah, saddlebags aren't that big, and adding that much weight to an already death inducing bike ride is sure to put the final nail in the coffin

Big enough.

Face it, you're a naysayer full of excuses. It's OK. This is Fark. You can admit it.

Do I need to keep shoving sticks in your bent spokes of an argument?

No, you're only hurting yourself. I'm willing to bet that there are people in Phoenix who biked to work this morning...

I AM Not only NAYSAYING YOU, but I am CALLING YOU AND IDIOT and a FOOL.

MORE INSULTS. Such a great way to get your point across!!

Face it. You're actually a big part of the problem, gulik.
 
2006-08-03 12:58:37 PM
Tom_Thump

It only takes once to figure out it doesnt work. Hell, RIding my bike with a 300 pound toolbox (on wheels) full of tools is fine as long as there is no incline or I dont have to stop. Cause any incline would hurt. Either I would get pulled down, or run over. Besides, it would just look funky!
 
2006-08-03 12:58:52 PM
pandabear

Don't forget that those states you listed were part of the "Dust-Bowl" 60-80 years ago, where corn just wouldn't grow. Drought = no ethanol.

Two REAL solutions are algal biodiesel, and utilizing landfill materials and recycling the crap (plastic-based materials) into sweet crude...which is already being done. You can recycle the metals, too.
 
2006-08-03 12:59:48 PM
GaryPDX: Biofuels not an end all solution, but they are a very large alternative to the black crack.


Exactly. There are mutltiple solutions. From the hippie boys up in the PNW riding their bikes in the cool afternoon breezes, to the Ethanol for the guys out in the Midwest we can and will have alternatives.


/Oh yeah, and whidbey, I TOO enjoy the company of woman, so suck it.
 
2006-08-03 01:00:14 PM
DaSwankOne


"I am not a 15 year old kid and I like the pleasure of a woman's company. Will that work for you?"

Put your date on the handlebars...that would be hot...
 
2006-08-03 01:00:31 PM
whidbey

Someone has soome sand in their vagina
 
2006-08-03 01:01:01 PM
submitter: Iran promises oil prices of $200/barrel if Bush continues to press nuclear issue.


Bush to Iran: "BRING IT ON"

Remember, Halliburton started as an oil field service company.
 
2006-08-03 01:01:15 PM
whidbey: It's 106 degrees at 6:00 in the morning where you live?

YES.

There were three weeks were the tempurature didn't go BELOW 100 ALL DAY...yes, at night too.

This week is UNSEASONALY cool, but next week it's supposed to be right back up in the 100s again.
 
2006-08-03 01:01:47 PM
That's it, kids.

Iran is farkin' with our oil, and if WE can't have it, no one can. This has to stop. Now.

Get the wind-powered nukes ready to go.
 
2006-08-03 01:02:12 PM
but...but...but wait! we are going to steel Iraqs oil!
 
2006-08-03 01:03:05 PM
I love how many people have the 'Solution' to all the problems associated with high crude oil prices.

You're all nuts. All of you.

Ethanol won't work as a long term solution, but it will prolong the suffering.

Bicycles are not a solution at all unless you want all humans to live in super dense cities.

We're all screwed. Buckle up and enjoy the ride.

/weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
2006-08-03 01:03:18 PM
st_gulik: Not all of us enjoy freezing our balls off like you obviously have, or living in your grey skied shiate holes with no culture expect church socials and Don't'cha'knows.

You can ride your bike to your heart's content in Alaska, Washington, Oregon, N & S Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, etc., but when the Major International AIRPORT in your city shuts down because it is too hot then maybe going outside to ride a bike 1 mile, let alone 3 (to your bus stop) is a little INSANE.



Hi, i live in the Bay Area. ITs actually quite comfortable year round here. Hell, there's also Santa Cruz, and you got the beach there too, and the ocean regulates temperatures perfectly. I actually do enjoy freezing my balls off, i love the weather when it dips well below freezing. I go for a walk in that stuff. The next time i'm up in Eastern Washington i hope it drops to 7 below so i can go for a walk in a T-Shirt and shorts again.

You don't HAVE to live i n the desert. If your major Int'l Airport shuts down because its too hot, thats a sign. What business are you doing in a region that can' have a fully operational airport year round. WTF are you doing in an area that gets so hot to begin with. You biatch and moan about the heat and how it makes it impossible to do things outside. You must enjoy living in your basement a lot and sucking up all the resources that your area was not meant to have.
Thats some good life-planning on your part.

You don't have to move to Alaska to ride a farking bike to work. You just have to be smart. Your arguments are not very smart. You brought these problems upon yourself, and you refuse to help solve them. ARe you one of those people who needs someone else to do things for you?
 
2006-08-03 01:03:49 PM
whidbey: No, you're only hurting yourself. I'm willing to bet that there are people in Phoenix who biked to work this morning...


Maybe this week, but I know for a Fact NO ONE did last week. When they start pulling in homeless people who have BOILED to death people stop riding their bikes, and the Homeless guys go hide under bridges.

We aren't joking when we say we can fry eggs on the sidewalks...we actually do, there's a contest every year for the best egg dish. No Joke. It's Damn Hot here. Think about how cold it gets for you, and reverse it, that's what it's like for us here.
 
2006-08-03 01:05:03 PM
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2006-08-03 01:05:37 PM
What is needed is a commited government to end the dependance on foriegn oil. If they took all the money they just left the middle east alone. Let em do what ever they want to each other for a few years and then put all that money into R&D in a short time we would no longer be needing their oil. Without anyone buying their oil what are they going to use to buy weapons.

I think the answer is not bio fuels but solar. The creation of super efficient solar cells and longer lasting deap cycle batteries. Then have oil used only for larger commercial vehicles or as a backup for solar. Since on the average day no too many people travel more than 100 miles for thier homes anyway this seems like a great option.
 
2006-08-03 01:07:12 PM
GaryPDX: Oh Gawd those people piss me off, they ride around in herds. I'm constantly wondering if I'm going to have to scrape one of them off the grill of my biodiesel truck.

Sheeeeit....
 
2006-08-03 01:07:39 PM
WSUCanuck: You biatch and moan about the heat and how it makes it impossible to do things outside.


Actually, I haven't biatched and moaned about the heat. I've only explained that it gets so hot that people DIE from it. I like the heat, I enjoy that and the dryness a LOT.

And you're forgetting that the 9 other months of the year are fairly nice here, although a comfortable bike ride with weather like the ocean front communties have (SanFran) and farther north don't happen until the winter for us.

The real solutions to these problems are the things that will retain some dergee of versatility for the common folk (can still drive a car IOWs) and stop swallowing oil.

Oh, and whoever complained that Ethanol needs real oil to work...I ask this: Why can't you use ethanol in the vehicles you're using to harvest the crops? Oh yeah!
 
2006-08-03 01:07:55 PM
Right, so like, the muzzies sell us gas, which bigs up glowball warmin', so when they invade, the rest of the world can be hot and remind them of home.

booyakasha

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2006-08-03 01:08:23 PM
GaryPDX: "There's a gold rush effect happening on corn, soy and canola seed."

Some company has figured out a way to make oil from plankton (not new, but their technique is), and I think that'll be a lot more efficient in the end as a greater proportion of the biomass gets turned into usable energy with less energy spent on harvesting it.
 
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