2006-08-03 09:25:28 AM Donutmaker

As I said, America came in as scavengers. Britain and France had long since reduced the German armies. America essentially "opened the jar that had already been loosened by someone else", while someone else had done all the work and made all the sacrifice.

Good to see that you failed history. While you might've had a point about WWI, you're completely off-base by WWII. The simple fact is, as pointed out in this thread, that France surrended incredibly quickly. Yes, they did have a resistance movement, but it would've amounted to nothing without us shipping in materials. Secondary to that, Britian, while being valiant, was confined to their island without our support. From there, it was a combination of British and American troops, not French, that managed to pull things off. Now, this doesn't discount the impact the Russians had - they were much, much more active and suffered much more than France ever did. But to say that the Germans were basically defeated and that we just kind of swept up shows an utter and complete lack of knowledge of history - likely second only to your imagined superiority.

As far as Japan goes, America didn't do much with that. They dropped an atomic bomb on countless civilians. Real quality, brave stuff there.

Americans don't know anything about heroism, masculinity, or sacrifice, just scavenging

Hmm - I guess you never read of our island hopping? The consistent pushing back of the Japanese army and navy until we could get in range? The firestorming we did (which actually killed significantly more people than the Bomb - even though I'm not proud of this action, it shows your lack of knowledge of history if you actually ignore the larger atrocities), the number of soldiers that died fighting these battles, etc.

Then your last line seems to sum it up - let's take many of the characteristics that Americans at the time of the war had exhibited quite nicely and then say they didn't have them.

Heroism - fighting in several large wars to help save other countries when we likely could've hid behind our "coastal isolationalism". That's one of the definitions, no - to fight on behalf of others for a just cause?

Masculinity - what in the fark does this have to do with anything? Just trying to slip an insult in to make yourself feel better, little boy?

Sacrifice Great Depression? The dead and wounded we suffered trying to liberate France after it surrendered? I'd say we understand this.

But, by all means - don't let your complete ignorance of the facts stop you from having an opinion.

bender_the_offender

Good point...just can't believe people's ignorance and stupidity.

Kind of like the "I don't need to know history since its irrevalent to my job" thread from yesterday

bender_the_offender: Prepare to reap the whirlwind from all sides. Superb troll!

He's barely posting the same kind of stuff you guys are posting everyday about the french.

thejawo: Kind of like the "I don't need to know history since its irrevalent to my job" thread from yesterday


Someone actually said that?

How is it racism you moron? France is not a race. It's swine like yourself who've taken the term "racism" and turned it into a mis-understood and constantly abused term.

Donutmaker

Question: Do you actually believe what you're saying, or is this an attempt to show how it's all fun and games until it's your nation that gets insulted?

I'm with you on that, Donutmaker.

France is a race due to sovereign national lines that encourage domestic breeding, thus making French bloodlines and genetic traits, on average, unique to France.

donutmaker:As far as Japan goes, America didn't do much with that. They dropped an atomic bomb on countless civilians. Real quality, brave stuff there.
Americans don't know anything about heroism, masculinity, or sacrifice, just scavenging.

farking asshat! my grandfather died in tarawa! you saying that wasn't fighting?wasn't bravery? we fought damn hard in japan before they dropped the bomb. the bomb was a last resort! we had no choice! funny, though, that our enemy from WW2 is now a great allie, whereas the lazy people we saved in france have done nothing but contradict us

awachtel: How is it racism you moron? France is not a race. It's swine like yourself who've taken the term "racism" and turned it into a mis-understood and constantly abused term.

Please define "race".

Donut,

If the "France Surrenders" cliche is somehow 'racist', wouldn't you also define your own comments about America as racist?

Durindal

My apologies. I did not mean to trivialize the soldiers who fought in any war, on any national lines. Instead, I intend to mock the governing decisions that reflect the national will.

Frightwig

Why yes, yes I would. But then again, you can't expect much more than hypocracy and outright fraudulent stories and opinions from internet trolls, now can you.

*winkwink*

Donutmaker:France is a race due to sovereign national lines that encourage domestic breeding, thus making French bloodlines and genetic traits, on average, unique to France.

Hey, it's Alfred Ploetz the Übermensch!

/man, you must be old...

*hypocrisy

Gets me everytime.

jshine:Hey, it's Alfred Ploetz the Übermensch!

Man, that last one was far too close to being topical...

Playing with the trolls is one thing, but that's getting too close to feeding them with argument.

Donutmaker: My apologies. I did not mean to trivialize the soldiers who fought in any war, on any national lines. Instead, I intend to mock the governing decisions that reflect the national will.

The governing decisions do not necessarily reflect the national will. Take Iraq for an example - how many people disapprove of the conflict we're currently in in Iraq? President's approval rating is at an all-time low, as it is for much of the government, be it the Democratic or Republican party. Please, before you make bold generalizations, know what you're talking about.

I've got my toll, now I'm leaving.

For the record, I'm a half-Irish, half-Lithuanian Jew.

awachtel
Its more of a paraphrase than an actual quote, but the sad fact is true. Read through this thread: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2207239

2006-08-03 09:41:55 AM Donutmaker

France is a race due to sovereign national lines that encourage domestic breeding, thus making French bloodlines and genetic traits, on average, unique to France.

Wrong. Though races are typically defined due to phenotypical differences (such as skin color, facial features, predominent hair colors, etc.), there really isn't much scientific basis underlying the genetics of it. Though certain populations (sometimes typified by "races") do tend to have gene groupings which may be useful in medicine, it's the genetic grouping that's important, not the phenotypical differences. Additionally, the racial purity you speak of is crap. The fact is that you "pure" gene pool has never been as pure as you might like to think - you've got plenty of American, British, German, and Middle Eastern blood going in there.

Nice try, though.

Donutmaker: I've got my toll, now I'm leaving.

For the record, I'm a half-Irish, half-Lithuanian Jew.

Mel Gibson hates you in every way.

I have a bottle of "Smoking Loon" wine. On the inside of the cork it says:

WHOOH WHOOH WHOOH WHOOH WHOOH WHOOH WHOOH WHOOH WHOOH WHOOH WHOOH COUGH WHOOH WHOOH WHOOH WHOOH WHOOH WHOOH

It's the first and only time I've ever laughed opening a bottle of wine.

The wine was average.

hmmm a post about wine leads to a bunch of people whining about countrys..... screw it wheres mah beer

though my vote for best current wine name out there Fat Bastard, mind you its british

it's really funny, because the troll was about france surrendering and not the "arrogant frog" slur.

can we get back on topic?

ronaprhys: Wrong. Though races are typically defined due to phenotypical differences (such as skin color, facial features, predominent hair colors, etc.), there really isn't much scientific basis underlying the genetics of it. Though certain populations (sometimes typified by "races") do tend to have gene groupings which may be useful in medicine, it's the genetic grouping that's important, not the phenotypical differences. Additionally, the racial purity you speak of is crap. The fact is that you "pure" gene pool has never been as pure as you might like to think - you've got plenty of American, British, German, and Middle Eastern blood going in there.

Nice try, though.


Definition of race from the Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: 3race
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

awachtel: Are you retarded?

Haha, priceless... Can't beat the argument, attack the person.

And such an intelligent attack too, worded suchly to really convey a convincing statement.

BackAssward: aha, priceless... Can't beat the argument, attack the person.

Well, after reading the rest of this persons statements, I'd agree with the retarded comment... so I will withdraw.

Wow. Great thread about... whine...

Jesus Effin' Christ, people, the subject is wine!

Tenebreux
Yes, I think Donutmaker has some issues to work on... That sort of vitrol isn't healthy, and the fact that it's a facade is just strange. I knew a girl like that in college once. She'd lie for no reason about trivial things and do anything to get attention, even fake psychiatric disorders. It was weird...

Glad you liked the Shakespeare though -- here's another good one:

He is not the man that he would gladly make show to the world he is.

(also Henry V)

Donutmaker: France is a race due to sovereign national lines that encourage domestic breeding, thus making French bloodlines and genetic traits, on average, unique to France.

That's not a race! That's Appellation D'Origine Controlee!

Donutmaker
Last time France surrendered? WWII
Last time America surrendered? Vietnam
Next surrender? America in Iraq
You Americans are morans.

We are, however, not stupid enough to surrender our own country. Surrendering other people's countries isn't quite as bad.

Donutmaker:Again, don't be too proud of previous military successes. America has NEVER fought a war on an equal playing field with other countries - it's just a sluggish bully with the benefit of coastal isolationism, like Japan - but with more fat WASPS.

If I be waspish, best beware my sting.

(Shakespeare -- The Taming of the Shrew)

Donutmaker



tool.

What kind of man wants to put his tounge in a woman's tail?


/what I thought of when I read jshine's last shakespere quote
//long live porky's

Correction: I supported Donutmaker on his posting the visual regarding "France Surrenders" as racist and inappropriate. Not the other stuff.

Race is a social concept, both self-defined and defined by others. The notion of a "pure" race is purely whistling in the dark. In logic, 'race' is a 'fuzzy set.' After all, how many of us have our complete geneaological history back to all of our great-great-great-grandparents? All of us indoubtedly have some odd sources for some of our genes.

And, with regard to WWII, the entry of America tipped the scales in favor of the Allies. And the Pacific Theatre, largely American, was a large enterprise and not at all trivial.

Ever hear of Iwo Jima?

/likes the French
//likes French wines
///likes pinot noir

Dread Pirate Slasher:What kind of man wants to put his tounge in a woman's tail?

Que?

I'm rather fond of the great American Arrogant Bastard. You're not worthy, morans!

Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. You just leave a lot of useless noisy baggage behind.

2006-08-03 09:55:29 AM Fragzav

Definition of race from the Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: 3race
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

I fail to see your point. Were you trying to offer me support or prove me wrong? Note my emphasis is you were trying to prove me wrong...

ronaprhys: I fail to see your point. Were you trying to offer me support or prove me wrong? Note my emphasis is you were trying to prove me wrong...

My point is that when someone implies that all french share distinctive features, one consequently implies that the french are a race.

I don't believe this is true myself, however I think racists do, even if they don't seem to realize they're actually being racist.

Don't you want to smell the bottlecap?

/Vin de Idaho

Fragzab Interesting, that. Did I imply that? I thought I was pointing out the idiocy and historical inaccuracies of donut. I did jump into the race thing when he tried to pull that card - but that's mostly because the France Surrenders cliche isn't racist as it's a historical observation based on a national lack of ability to win wars (due to a number of factors).

But I think you'd have a point if someone was attempting to imply that the combination of characteristics they were using were unique to people living within, or hailing from, French borders.

ronaprhys: Did I imply that?
A lot of farkers do all the time.

I am weary of the French bashing. I don't understand it. As a Midwesterner people around here tend to get up in arms when someone "puts on airs". Including being well-read and being sophisticated in a fashion/ culinary sense, to a degree I think we're jealous of the French. The notion that we should judge other nationalities and cultures on their ability to make war is assinine and I believe it goes against the core of what America is really about.

All of the WWII references are only half-truths. At the outbreak of WWII Germany had spent a decade mobilizing for war, the French were outnumbered almost 2-to-1. Within weeks they had 100s of thousands of casualties. No one had stood up to the German Blitzkrieg, so why aren't we spending all this energy mocking the Polish and the Czechs as cowards? The Blitzkrieg was a revolution in warfare, all of the European generals were old school and at a complete loss to deal with it. Grow the fark up America! It's like listening to a bunch of third graders bragging on who got beat up last summer.

Donutmaker:

Last time France surrendered? WWII

Last time America surrendered? Vietnam

Next surrender? America in Iraq

You Americans are morans.

I suppose that's why you're only a "Donutmaker"...

I'm with Cassiopeia. The French get bad press because they don't put up with fools and I'm afraid that means they don't put up with an awful lot of Americans. They are much more interested in your individual character and sense of humor than in who collects your taxes. And the women have style, intelligence and a kittenish flirtatiousness that makes the world's English speaking women seem dull and dowdy.

The French make a lot of wine. Some of it is good, some of it made near my house in the Minervois is pretty bad. However, French agricultural subsidies make it profitable for the farmers to produce bad wine and then sell it to the government - kind of like why it's profitable to produce corn in the US.

Just an FYI:

Calling a waiter "Garcon" is actually incredibly rude, and will immediately mark you as an ugly American jackass right away. Literally translated, you are saying, "Hey boy! Get over here!"