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(SPLC)   Appeals court rejects request to rehear trial on students' right to wear anti-gay t-shirts to school. Judges claim anti-gay shirts are similar to wearing a shirt saying "Hide Your Sisters -- The Blacks Are Coming"   (splc.org) divider line 66
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2006-08-02 11:16:13 AM  
submitter: Hide Your Sisters - The Blacks Are Coming

Actually, that sounds like really good advice. Those crafty blacks just love my sisters.

/Hey, where the white women at?
 
2006-08-02 11:26:43 AM  
OMG Teh Frist Amendmnet Surr3nd3rz!11 Akt1v15t Judg3z!!!
 
2006-08-02 11:27:16 AM  
Wouldn't "Hide your sisters -- The brothers are coming" be more clever, or does it reek of incestuousness?
 
2006-08-02 11:31:25 AM  
The judges are entirely right. This has already been covered in Tinker v. Des Moines. The attorney for the plaintiff should STFU and take a constitutional law course.
 
2006-08-02 11:32:15 AM  
Rincewind53: Tinker v. Des Moines

yep.
 
2006-08-02 11:36:35 AM  
I say let the kid wear it. Then hand out a bunch of Jesus was a Homo t-shirts to everyone else.
 
2006-08-02 11:41:25 AM  
it's wrong for the school to take a positionn in an ongoing cultural debate, and then to try to enforce this view on students. either you ban both pro and anti-gay shirts, or you allow them both.

there is nothing inherently disruptive about the shirt, if the student wearing the shirt wasn't causing a problem, but rather other students harrasing him for wearing the shirt, than you deal with the students harrasing him.
 
2006-08-02 11:44:09 AM  
Churchill2004: it's wrong for the school to take a positionn in an ongoing cultural debate, and then to try to enforce this view on students. either you ban both pro and anti-gay shirts, or you allow them both.

The "cultural debate" is over: gays are okay and deserve to live in peace. Apparently the Bible got it wrong.
 
2006-08-02 11:47:40 AM  
Let him wear it. But don't go crying to anyone when you're repeatedly cockpunched.
 
2006-08-02 11:47:55 AM  
Churchill
wearing a shirt with an inflammatory statement on it that's pointed at a minority group of people is inherently disruptive...you don't just decide, "Hey, this is my favorite shirt, think I'll wear it to school today." Rather, it's the result of some sort of planning; you KNOW that shirt is going to bother someone because of the touchy subject matter. That is the risk you take.
 
2006-08-02 11:49:01 AM  
jarrett: The "cultural debate" is over: gays are okay and deserve to live in peace. Apparently the Bible got it wrong.



um, bullshiat. the debate is still very much happening. a signifigant portion of the country believes homosexuality is immoral. just because the debate on fark might be over doesn't mean that applies to the rest of the nation.


besides, there's a very real difference between "we think homosexuality is immoral and we want to help them" and "all the fags should be lynched!!11" the t-shirts in question were more along the lines of the former.
 
2006-08-02 11:50:15 AM  
cheshirecatsmileyface: you KNOW that shirt is going to bother someone because of the touchy subject matter.

Just playing Devil's Advocate, but wouldn't wearing a pro-gay t-shirt or one that celebrates "diversity" or homosexuality equally bother a conservative Christian? Or do their views not matter?

Like I said, playing devil's advocate cause I don't really care either way. It's a T-shirt. Avert your eyes.
 
2006-08-02 11:50:46 AM  
The thing about free speech is you have to allow it even if you don't agree with it. Now, whether the school should allow inflammatory things like this is a different matter.
 
2006-08-02 11:50:58 AM  
cheshirecatsmileyface: you KNOW that shirt is going to bother someone because of the touchy subject matter



and when the school chose to have a pro-homosexuality day, it KNEW it was going to bother people. but they're the minority so it's ok.
 
2006-08-02 11:53:44 AM  
Churchill2004: Tolerance is not advocacy.
 
2006-08-02 11:57:30 AM  
Diogenes: Churchill2004: Tolerance is not advocacy.



oh bullshiat. this isn't tolerance, it's acceptance. there's a difference. tolerance means putting up with it. acceptance means having to like it. tolerance doesn't mean you don't say anything when you think something wrong is happening, it means you let the person affected make the final decision about it.
 
2006-08-02 12:06:44 PM  
Churchill2004

tolerance means putting up with it. acceptance means having to like it.

Actually, acceptance has nothing to do with liking something. I accept plenty of things that I wish were different, but I know I can't change things. I accept Fred Phelps and his crazy anti-homosexual rantings, but I sure as hell wish he would DIAF.

Furthermore, the Supreme Court has ruled several times that free speech does not protect harassment, and for a student to wear this shirt specifically on a day meant to reveal how the GLBT community is suppressed and forced to stay underground and "silent," the intent is pretty clear.
 
2006-08-02 12:11:16 PM  
Churchill2004: um, bullshiat. the debate is still very much happening. a signifigant portion of the country believes homosexuality is immoral. just because the debate on fark might be over doesn't mean that applies to the rest of the nation.

And there was a time, not so long ago, where a "significant portion of the country" believed that blacks were inherently inferior to whites, and that ::gasp:: it was God's plan for the races to remain separate. Would it have been acceptable for students in newly integrated schools to wear shirts saying "Be ashamed, our school embraced what God has condemned," with some other inflamatory saying on the back?

besides, there's a very real difference between "we think homosexuality is immoral and we want to help them" and "all the fags should be lynched!!11" the t-shirts in question were more along the lines of the former.

"Be ashamed, our school has embraced what God has condemned" and "Homosexuality is shameful" are highly inflamatory statements. What are those shirts saying to gay students that see them? They are not saying "we can help you," they are saying "be ashamed of who you are."
 
2006-08-02 12:30:12 PM  
Every school has a closet case that craves attention and likes it rough. The kid probably put's "Kick Me" signs on his own back and runs around with a sore ass a little chubby.
 
2006-08-02 12:31:32 PM  
Yet we can still wear inflammatory t-shirts on game day right? You know like F*UCK FSU and BEAT THE COCKS? Because those don’t offend anyone who is right minded on campus.
 
2006-08-02 12:48:27 PM  
Churchill2004: besides, there's a very real difference between "we think homosexuality is immoral and we want to help them" and "all the fags should be lynched!!11" the t-shirts in question were more along the lines of the former.


Just my $.02

A shirt that recommends hatred or violence towards another group has no place in school.

A shirt that states your personal views, also has not place in school.

A shirt that identifies you as gay, has no place in school.

School is for learning, not politics.
 
2006-08-02 01:13:38 PM  
Churchill2004: a signifigant portion of the country believes homosexuality is immoral.


A signifigant portion of the country believes that aliens have travelled hundreds of light years to stick probes up redneck asses.
 
2006-08-02 01:17:29 PM  
submitter: Judges claim anti-gay shirts are similar to wearing a shirt saying "Hide Your Sisters - The Blacks Are Coming,"

Except that the gays usually won't knife you in the hallway over it.

Schools have a responsibility to prohibit speech that will impede other students from getting an education. Anything that disrupts the educational process should be examined very carefully.
 
2006-08-02 01:29:20 PM  
Scooby's'pawn: Schools have a responsibility to prohibit speech that will impede other students from getting an education. Anything that disrupts the educational process should be examined very carefully.


Exactly. As a former teacher, and very much aware of dress code policy as well as the Rights of the students let me tell you this:

School is not a Place of Freedom where the students come to express their personal views. Nope, School is a hardcore institution designed to cram as much learnin' into their empty skulls in as short a time as possible. ANYTHING that gets in the way of that is Verboten.

I taught in the Southwest and there was a significant hispanic population in our schools, and as minors students don't really have any rights anyways. So when there were some issues with some racists attacking Hispanic Vato Locos and vice versa, the kids with the obvious gang colors (the Hispanic Vato Locos wearing their brown pride tshirts, etc.) had to change. Any sort of brown pride, etc. tshirts were banned...just like any white power, etc. tshirts were banned.

HELL, they banned headbands of ANY SORT because the wiggers were wearing them as a gang sign...which was funny because well they were anti-hispanic, but wanted to be black...yeah, kids are dumb.

Churchhill, if this was an issue with COLLEGE STUDENTS, or ANYONE who is over 18, then FINE, we can talk about civil rights, but minors are a different story.
 
2006-08-02 01:34:57 PM  
Scooby's'pawn: Except that the gays usually won't knife you in the hallway over it.

Depends on the gay, there was this gay guy on the football team who was a lineman...yeah...he would just snapped the person's neck and stuffed their body into a locker.
 
2006-08-02 01:40:30 PM  
Churchill2004: um, bullshiat. the debate is still very much happening. a signifigant portion of the country believes homosexuality is immoral.

Yeah, those are the ones that lost the debate. Sadly, a lot of them haven't been properly informed.
 
2006-08-02 01:48:36 PM  
Churchill2004: um, bullshiat. the debate is still very much happening. a signifigant portion of the country believes homosexuality is immoral being black makes you inferior. just because the debate on fark might be over doesn't mean that applies to the rest of the nation.

If that actually is your belief either grow up or start protesting Red Lobster as they serve shell fish and that too is an abomination.
 
2006-08-02 01:58:02 PM  
Telling people they can't wear things that say things is a bad precedent to set.

Don't feed me the "distracting the students" line either. Do you remember high school, ferchrissakes? It's nothing but titties and ass, drugs and cursing. One jackass wearing a jackass shirt will result in said jackass being made fun of at a lunch table, and no more.
 
2006-08-02 02:00:13 PM  
i really doubt a 'be ashamed of what god doesn't embrace' and 'christianity is shameful' t-shirt would have survived the day, either.

it's a freaking school. they have dress codes.
 
2006-08-02 02:29:10 PM  
jarrett: Apparently the Bible got it wrong.


no, the bible got it right. just the asshats using it to justify their anti-christian bigotries (now there's a redundancy). They seem to forget all that "love thy neighbor" shait. pity, really.
 
2006-08-02 02:33:00 PM  
Spacemarinekilla: Telling people they can't wear things that say things is a bad precedent to set.

You work from home, do you?
 
2006-08-02 02:37:55 PM  
Aaaahhh....
California's 9th Circuit strikes again.
All wrapped in their rainbow robes.
 
2006-08-02 02:42:25 PM  
Churchill2004

This is about creating a disruptive environment. If you're wearing a shirt that is meant to provoke a response and incite anger from gay right supporters, and righteous anger from religious fundamentalists, then that is disruptive. In schools, avoiding disruption trumps free speech. Its about order and discipline, not unlike the modern military, where free speech takes a back seat to accomplishing the task at hand.

As far as having a "pro homosexuality day", what you're talking about is the National Day of Silence. Silence, no signs, no provocation, no antagonization, no accusation, above all no disruption, silence. It wasn't even school sponsored, it was condoned since it wouldn't be disruptive, but sponsored? No. If this guy wanted to STFU for a day instead of going out to pick a philosophical fight, the judges and the school would applaud him for it.
 
2006-08-02 02:42:26 PM  
3rdLostPassword: You work from home, do you?

God, I wish. I'm working on it.

Still, I flaunt my dismissal of the Turkey Hill dress code, because I am a superawesome badass who takes no guff.
 
2006-08-02 02:49:11 PM  
Churchill2004

OK, time for you to pull your head from your arse. It's about time that all this bullshiat "invisible man in the sky says you're evil" stuff to end. Suicide is the NUMBER ONE cause of death for homosexual youths. Why? Because sick farks like you feel it is necessary to not only take away their rights to marriage but to ceaselessly torment them for no other reason than your bullshiat religion preaches hatred towards them. Do you expect them to change? No. You simply want to make their lives miserable to fulfill your sick, demented sadistic desires to watch others who aren't doing a goddamn thing to you suffer. All fundamentalists need to die in a fire.
 
2006-08-02 02:49:25 PM  
NikolaiFarkoff: Wouldn't "Hide your sisters -- The brothers are coming" be more clever, or does it reek of incestuousness?

It's clever BECAUSE it reeks of incestuousness.
 
2006-08-02 02:50:12 PM  
school uniforms, OR uniform school dress code banning anything but solid color shirts. problem solved.

/drtfa
//or the thread
 
2006-08-02 02:56:18 PM  
"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it"
 
2006-08-02 02:58:32 PM  
relaxitsjustme
school uniforms, OR uniform school dress code banning anything but solid color shirts. problem solved.

Great idea. Then he'll be known as the kid who caused the dress code. Let the student body so a little self-policing...
 
2006-08-02 03:00:32 PM  
The most distracting thing in my high school were the uniforms they made the girls wear. Tell me that a few inches of thigh above white knee socks isn't the most distracting thing anyone could wear, ever. Gay t-shirt? Meh.
 
2006-08-02 03:09:57 PM  
This Is Bold Text: "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it"

"Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd, and bloody religion that has ever infected the world..."

/aware that your quote is a paraphrase of Voltaire, yes.
 
2006-08-02 03:10:36 PM  
West_Side_Charlie
After that he's be know as "swirlee"
 
2006-08-02 03:24:41 PM  
why do you need an anti gay shirt? kids these days are so lazy, they can't even say "fag" anymore.
 
2006-08-02 03:30:33 PM  
Churchill2004: oh bullshiat. this isn't tolerance, it's acceptance. there's a difference. tolerance means putting up with it. acceptance means having to like it. tolerance doesn't mean you don't say anything when you think something wrong is happening, it means you let the person affected make the final decision about it.

Wow, you're dumb. Did you get raped by a hobo or something?
 
2006-08-02 03:48:43 PM  
Churchill2004

tolerance means putting up with it. acceptance means having to like it.

I'm guessing your significant other has explained this distinction to you many times.
 
2006-08-02 04:06:32 PM  
reinhardt truly needs to be impeached, tried, and executed for treason against the constitution.
 
2006-08-02 04:08:11 PM  
and putting the hero tag on this was absolutely stupid. Whats heroic about deleting the first amendment?
 
2006-08-02 04:25:09 PM  
A solid rule needs to be applied to this. If the kid were to be permitted to wear the shirt in question, then any other shirt or no shirt at all should be permitted as well. Would someone please make up some graphic T-shirts dipicting George W. Bush sodomizing Jesus Christ? I once saw a shirt that said "Vestial Masterbation" with a nun fingering herself on the front. That needs to be allowed in school then as well. Either anything goes or the school has the right to censor. I hate censorship in the library and on the internet but I still wear pants to work despite the fact that I would prefer not to. Real life sometimes requires that I accept a little bit of censorship. The school needs the power to enforce it how they see fit or it's time to force school uniforms on everyone.
 
2006-08-02 04:37:00 PM  
dksuddeth

"reinhardt truly needs to be impeached, tried, and executed for treason against the constitution."

Ahh nothing like a well thought out and defended argument.

And I agree, that Shift key is for pussies.
 
2006-08-02 04:52:33 PM  
I think detractors of this decision miss a crucial point; a positive message will always be more quickly accepted than a negative one, if only because they don't cause disruption nor seek to incite anger as negative ones do. Now positive messages may make some angry, but they'll always win out because they preach liberal(not the political group) ideals that we all aspire to (regardless of what party you affliate with) and that the country was built on.
 
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