stompum: Now Chechnya is in a state of peace and no Chechans are attacking Russia right?

The Chechens have basically been beaten into submission. That guy who masterminded all those cunning terrorist attacks, Shamil Basayev, was assassinated a few weeks ago along with a good portion of his entourage.

2006-08-02 01:35:23 PM Cubicle Jockey

Many reports are showing that the building in Qana did not collapse until several hours after the attack.

(While it is not my purpose here to indicate that Hezbullah may have finished off the building to increase civilian casualties they could blame on IDF, that is not out of the realm of possibility)

My point in bringing this up is in the timeline. It would be easy to remove the fighters and launchers and other evidence before "Third Parties" like the red cross arrived.

Furthermore, regarding Masen Hashen. You are citing the words of one guy as proof? Who is this guy? Does he have Hezbullah militants in his guest room? Does he have a rocket launcher in his basement? Or does he just live in a Hezbullah-run town for the rent-control? You can't even rule out the possibility that he told his wife and children to stay in that building in order to martyr themselves for the good of jihad.

cryptozoophiliac: The Jews have always celebrated the killing of their enemies.

I guess you're talking about Purim? Where they celebrate the fact that a Persian named Haman wanted to exterminate them but instead got hanged?

I'm surprised they don't have a holiday for when the Nazis got hanged at Nuremberg. I sure as hell would, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

bbcrackmonkey
500 years into the future, I'd imagine there will be a holiday of sorts like that.

Tatsuma is annoying.

bbcrackmonkey

stupid question, but that book is out on the mainstream? i can just walk into a library or book store and find it? its not a underground work is it?

bbcrackmonkey: I guess you're talking about Purim?

Interestingly enough, Hanukah is the only Jewish holiday that commemorates the winning of a war. However, that is still indirect, as the holiday itself is really centered around a reflection of the miracle witnessed when the Jews were allowed back into the Temple.

Just what exactly are the Hezbullah supposed to do besides hiding some of their military assets amongs civilians? They are fighting an oppressor that has the military support of the worlds strongest nation.

For cripes sakes, what in the hell are they supposed to do? Fight on open ground and get wiped out? They're fighting for their lives and their families, what would you do? The Hezbullah fighters care for their families as much as you or I do, but what good is living the tenuous, impoverished existence they live in?? Anybody forgetting how desperate they are??

Party Boy

Yeah. Just like we celebrate all the wars Israel fought, right?

Jackass.

stompum: Yep, how'd that work out for them? Did they crush the rebels? Now Chechnya is in a state of peace and no Chechans are attacking Russia right?

That's only because they turned half of chechnya to rubble.

If you kill 50% of all chechens there's still 50% left. The only sure way is to kill 100% and completely level their cities and destroy their culture.

Party Boy: 500 years into the future, I'd imagine there will be a holiday of sorts like that.

Ironically enough, when one of the Nazis was about to be hanged, a propagandist and editor of Der Sturmer, Julius Streicher, he shouted out "Heil Hitler! This is my Purim celebration 1946. I go to God. The Bolshevists will one day hang you, too."

And ironically enough, Haman and his 10 sons were hanged on Purim, and 10 Nazi war criminals were hanged at Nuremberg (well, Goering committed suicide but still). The two days are extraordinarly similar.

rpl
Huh?
That was a supportive post. I dont get it. Do you like Nazis?

manwithdaplan --
Oh, do tell about the desperation of impoverished Lebanon prior to the recent flare-up. This should be interesting. You realize that they're a bit better off than, say, the hellishness administered by the Palestinian Authority?

infantry: stupid question, but that book is out on the mainstream? i can just walk into a library or book store and find it? its not a underground work is it?

You can just find it right on the internet dude. That's where I read it. Just do a google for "Assault on Downtown Grozny". They might carry it in paperback but you'd probably have to special-order it through Amazon.

bbcrackmonkey
no shiat? Do you have some link that I can read. I have about 30 mins to kill. neat story.

bbcrackmonkey

cool, thanks for the info, i think i will check it out.

I_C_Weener
So is gravity. But, there it is

The thing I like about gravity is it doesn't live in a basement apartment, never leaving, constantly babbling about Ghandi, masturbating into a yarmulkah, hoping for hot sweet death to visit the doorstep of its imagined enemies.

Party Boy: no shiat? Do you have some link that I can read. I have about 30 mins to kill. neat story.

infantry: cool, thanks for the info, i think i will check it out.

Here ya go fellars:

http://www.lib.ru/MEMUARY/CHECHNYA/chechen_war.txt

Occams_Electric_Razor

Hezbollah might be a load of nutjobs, but they certainly are showing everyone else in the Middle East that the Israeli military isn't the invincible force it's often portrayed to be. In fact, if the situation is looked at dispassionately, Hezbollah is doing pretty well all things considered.

I'm no Israeli apologist (frankly I think they are going too far), but when people hide amongst homes it makes an overwhelming force have a difficult time when the invading force values civilian life. See American revolution.

Occams_Electric_Razor

It's an effective tactic, and one that has stymied the IDF at this point.

Yet it's a tactic that enables the IDF to maintain some semblence of a moral high ground, a strategic victory in that they are not taking the bait clearly set for them (for the most part).

PotVsKtl
Hey, Im the guy babbling about ghandi. If that criticism is to be leveled, level it here.

I dont jerk off in my Yarmulke though. It cost $5 plus shipping

/not a jew

bbcrackmonkey: "I'm surprised they don't have a holiday for when the Nazis got hanged at Nuremberg. I sure as hell would, and I don't see anything wrong with that."

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen: the very sentiment that perpetuates the insanity and aggression that keeps this beautiful world soaked in blood.

/Will the human race ever move BEYOND THE PUNISHMENT PARADIGM? Stay tuned fellow aliens....

philwz: I'm no Israeli apologist (frankly I think they are going too far), but when people hide amongst homes it makes an overwhelming force have a difficult time when the invading force values civilian life. See American revolution.

Contrary to popular opinion and myths, the vast majority of the Revolutionary War was fought in open battlefields with uniformed soldiers. All of this "behind the trees" bullshiat is mostly from Hollywood and Lexington/Concord which was a minor battle which began with each side lined up in a firing line against each other.

bbcrackmonkey
I dont think this link has the Purim/Nurenberg stuff in it.

I said: "The Jews have always celebrated the killing of their enemies. They even have a holiday which ends with a beheading!"


PCLOADLETTER said: "Is that before or after they eat the live Muslim babies?"

PC, obviously you are not Jewish, nor do you appear to know anything about Judaism.

cryptozoophiliac: bbcrackmonkey: "I'm surprised they don't have a holiday for when the Nazis got hanged at Nuremberg. I sure as hell would, and I don't see anything wrong with that."

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen: the very sentiment that perpetuates the insanity and aggression that keeps this beautiful world soaked in blood.

So you're telling me that celebrating the deaths of those Nazis responsible for WWII and the Holocaust is bad? You're saying that maybe I should feel sorry, maybe we should have just given them life in prison or something? Maybe I should be indifferent to the event?

Party Boy

Huh?
That was a supportive post. I dont get it. Do you like Nazis?

My point exactly. If you'd known anything about the Jews you'd know that Jews never celebrate wars. All the religious holidays are about massive divine intervention and the state holidays are an independence day and two memorial days. That's it. No victory day on whenever it was that the 6 day war ended, no parades on the month that Josh Ben Nun mowed down the Cna'anites or whatever else you think it is that we do.

Israel is not in any way comparable to any other country in the middle east, aside from maybe Turkey, and even then we win. As long as you fail to realise it, you will always have the picture wrong and I don't care how arrogant you're going to claim that statement sounds.

Party Boy: I dont think this link has the Purim/Nurenberg stuff in it.

Oh that link was about Assault on Downtown Grozny the book. The Purim/Nuremberg stuff can be found on Julius Streicher's wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher

rpl
Ok, when 500 years rolls around, you can prove me wrong.

bbcrackmonkey
Thanks

rpl
Israel is not in any way comparable to any other country in the middle east, aside from maybe Turkey, and even then we win.

At what? Being the superior race?

2006-08-02 02:04:38 PM manwithdaplan
For cripes sakes, what in the hell are they supposed to do? Fight on open ground and get wiped out? They're fighting for their lives and their families, what would you do? The Hezbullah fighters care for their families as much as you or I do, but what good is living the tenuous, impoverished existence they live in?? Anybody forgetting how desperate they are??
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First off, they should hand the Israeli soldiers back.

Secondly, they should dig fox holes and build bunkers or fighting emplacements away from civilians.

Thirdly, Lebanon is a beautiful country that was flourishing and your so called "oppressors" gave land back to the Lebanese before the cockroaches moved in.

Lastly, Hezbollah may love/care for their famalies but they certainly don't give a rats ass about the innocent people in the house next to their rocket launchers.

Tatsuma: That's straight into one of their strongholds, yet super Jews are going to be sent and kill everyone, Ninja style and get out incognito when the place is crawling with hostile Lebaneses and jew-deathtraps under the form of bagel stands.



Wait . . . so there aren't really any Ninjews?

/bummed now.

Party Boy: Ok, when 500 years rolls around, you can prove me wrong.

I think what he's saying is that their celebrations aren't about their victories but about the divine intervention from God that supposedly gave them that victory. Personally, I'm the type of guy that would not only celebrate victory, but I would piss on the graves of SS soldiers if I were Jewish.

Thanks

No problemo amigo.

Lastly, Hezbollah may love/care for their famalies

hell no someone that doesnt give a shiat about their own life surely would not give a fark about anyone elses. I mean the rationale is flawed if you percerive human life as exependable including your own then the lives of family memeber would prob be linear

IDF is a pretty crappy "force" if this is still going on.

PotVsKtl: At what? Being the superior race?

According to statistics Ashkenazi Jews are the most intelligent race on the planet. I'm sure if you did a study about socio-economic well-being you'd find them near the top too. So what if they are a superior race? What then? I'm not Jewish, I'm a Swedish-American atheist, but I'm just throwing out some food for thought.

But I appreciate your attempt to equate the Jews with Nazis. I always get a kick out of retarded shiat like that.

Chiggity Chza
hell no someone that doesnt give a shiat about their own life surely would not give a fark about anyone elses. I mean the rationale is flawed if you percerive human life as exependable including your own then the lives of family memeber would prob be linear

Impeccable logic. All you have to do is look at the statistics. 87% of suicides kill at least 10 strangers or family members before offing themselves.

bbcrackmonkey
According to statistics Ashkenazi Jews are the most intelligent race on the planet.

But I appreciate your attempt to equate the Jews with Nazis.

Heh.

bbcrackmonkey: "So you're telling me that celebrating the deaths of those Nazis responsible for WWII and the Holocaust is bad? You're saying that maybe I should feel sorry, maybe we should have just given them life in prison or something? Maybe I should be indifferent to the event?"

First of all, the German people and those who collaborated with them were responsible for the Holocaust and other acts of aggression, not the leadership. I may shout to the skies that Raymond O'Malley should be bludgeoned, but if you are the one who bludgeons him, you are the killer, not me (though I may be considered an accessory).

Also responsible were those who funded the Nazi war machine (you can't develop a war machine like that without a line of credit or someone to trade with, no matter how rich you are.)

Also, it is the soldiers of a nation who are responsible for war, NOT those who send them. I believe that was the "Judgement at Nuremberg"?

And finally, as long as people celebrate revenge and brutality, this sad species is doomed to recapitulate its infantile and barbaric rituals until it destroys itself.

/pity too; it's not a bad planet overall.

The Palestinians are fighting a separate issue - an illegal Israeli occupation since 1967, globally condemned. Any time a Palestinian attacks Israel, it is THEY who are doing the retaliation. The systematic destruction of their economy (what, 70% unemployment? for Palestinians, no freedom of movement within their own country) by Israel so support the colonization of land that they do not rightly own. How do you stop suicide bombings? Obey the law and get out of the West Bank and Gaza.

They should hand the Israeli soldiers back. Israel should return some prisoners - not wholesale, but they know the ones that are really guilty.

Hezbullah does not have the guns/equipment to fight in fox holes man - c'mon, quit watching so many WW2 movies. What will that do against a tank or F16??

They care about their people, enought to fight and lay their lives down for it. You tell me every time a jet (Israeli, US, French, whoever) fires a missle or drops a bomb it hits the target? Do you really believe the propoganda that all Hezbullah are hiding next to civilians? Dropping bombs and firing artillery shells from miles away to destroy "soldiers" will always lead to civilian casualties. Why doesn't Israel get out on the ground and root the real target out on the ground, rather than killing kids from the air?

bbcrackmonkey
I hear you.

Its just that, when someone starts off with

rpl

Party Boy,

Yeah. Just like we celebrate all the wars Israel fought, right?

Jackass.

I know where this is headed, wont bring up that the oddly popular Hannukah (oddly, since yom kippur and passover are way more important) involves a victory over Syrians, becaue we will enter that theological debate. One of which no one can win or lose - its unarguable.

Besides, this isnt where I was agreeing with your statement
I'm surprised they don't have a holiday for when the Nazis got hanged at Nuremberg. I sure as hell would, and I don't see anything wrong with that. in the first place.

Now are there miracle components to the Holocaust? Maybe. Id think so. Its a miracle that Jews werent wiped out entirely. Thts a good one, right?

I think he just misinterpreted what was being said. Im not sure how he could get mad at it and call me a jack ass for agreeing with you in saying

I'm surprised they don't have a holiday for when the Nazis got hanged at Nuremberg. I sure as hell would, and I don't see anything wrong with that.
and there might be a holiday like this in 500 years.

People get mad at anything

/no i dont want to get into a theological discussion over Chanukka
//yes, I think this is a 10/10 in lame-ness

Its a nice day outside

Im going to go for swim myself.