Actually its the pope who shiats in the woods... the bear justs wears the funny hat.

Drunk drivin' for the Jeebus dosent count!!

In a great Reno 911 joke Dangle was asked a question with an obvious "yes" answer, and his responce was "Is the pope best friends with Mel Gibson?"

Rich and famous people get breaks in the judicial system, who knew?

Not if if it's a polar bear it doesn't shiat in the woods.

Famous people, such as actors and presidents, often receive preferential legal treatment.

Wuz duh Chews!

So does that mean Mel Gibson is a bear? According to South Park, he wipes his feces on buildings.

Mel is B'nai Brith's 2006 Man of the Year

So a bear walks into a bar and sits down. The bartender comes over and asks him what he would like to drink. The bear waits about a minute before answering and finally says "I'll have a beer." The bartender asks, "why the big pause?" To which the bear responds, "Cause I'm a BEAR!"

/lame
//paws

Ain't that right, sugar tits?

We need mugshots asap.

Cog: Not if if it's a polar bear it doesn't shiat in the woods.


Either way, they're all Godless killing machines.

The probe was begun after a celebrity news website, TMZ.com, published portions of the arresting deputy's handwritten report, saying the star was abusive, shouted anti-Jewish slurs, attempted to escape from custody and boasted that he "owned Malibu."

But no, the reports of him being anti-semitic and crazy are just untrue!

Those remarks included Gibson's statement that "the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," the report said. After that, Gibson allegedly asked the deputy: "Are you a Jew?"

I call shenanigans.

So a report comes out of Mel being abusive and anti-semitic, and they say it was downplayed?

Stick a fork in him, he's Jacko crazy.

Won't Mel ever learn that it's OK to say that stuff, just so long as you use the word "Israeli" instead of "Jew"?

so... was the cop a jew?

NubianzWithAttitude
Famous people, such as actors and presidents, often receive preferential legal treatment.

exactly...mel is an a-hole for driving drunk. as far as famous people, i've been on a number of airlines, but i've never seen one hold a flight at the gate because a passenger asks them to....nice of katie to pull her celeb status on this :)

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07292006/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm

July 29, 2006 -- KATIE Couric had fellow passengers aboard a New York-bound jet on the warpath this week when, as their plane was about to taxi to the runway, she got out of her seat and begged the pilot to allow one of her late-arriving producers to board.

The witness told Page Six that attendants on Wednesday's 6:30 p.m. Delta Shuttle flight out of Washington, D.C., had already closed the door and passengers were buckled in, when the soon-to-be CBS News anchor raced up the aisle with a cellphone to her ear and told an attendant she had to speak to the pilot right away. Couric was then allowed into the cockpit and convinced the pilot to delay the flight and reopen the door for her producer, Nicola Hewitt.

"People say stupid things when they are drunk, and they later regret it," Baca said.

And Ric Romero is scooped once again.

Maybe it's just because he gave a ton of money to cops. I should remember that. Next time they call for their ball or whatever, instead of just hanging up, I'll give 'em $10,000 (US) and laugh all the way to the drunk tank.

Those remarks included Gibson's statement that "the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," the report said. After that, Gibson allegedly asked the deputy: "Are you a Jew?"

Oh come on Gibson, you of all people should know that when the Jews aren't busy nailing up the Christian messiah to a cross, they're cramming for their bar exams.

/I kid i kid ...

Dissenter of Dearth: I call shenanigans.


Oh, come on... it was on the internet for Christ's sake! Everyone knows that if you read something on the internet, it *has* to be true- especially if it came from a celebrity "news" site. Sheesh.

So a report comes out of Mel being abusive and anti-semitic, and they say it was downplayed?

Well, there are apparently some fans in here (either his work or his views) that are downplaying the incident.

/shame on you folks

Seems to me he got an unlucky break. The leaked incident report (on TMZ) shows him to be a real prize, and will no doubt make him very popular with the rather large Jewish community in Hollywood.

The DUI was and is a minor thing (not condoning DUI, but it seems an everyday occurence in Hollywood, and his blood alcohol level wasn't astonishingly high).

The anti-semitic ravings and arrogance (I own Malibu, I'll get even with you for this, etc.) - there's no way to spin this.

I pity his publicist. No pity for him.

Wow. Its a good thing he was in great movies like Lethal Weapon 4 and What a Woman Wants otherwise he'd be in the drunk tank right now. You know what, put his ass in the drunk tank for those 2 movies, anyhow.

Honestly, who hasn't said stupid shiat when they are drunk. I'm not defending him, and I'm sure his ego is larger than Malibu, but just because someone says he was jew-hating doesn't make it true.

If he thinks jews start all the wars in the world, perhaps he should spend more time studying history instead of making movies that focus on portraying jews as heartless killers.

This headline is scarier:

http://www.bbclosangeles.com/BBCNEWS_Mel_Gibson_Arrested_On_Terrorism.htm

I was informed once upon a time that yelling at police officers and shouting veiled threats qualifies as assault...

Who knew it's different when you are rich and famous (or in Cali?)

BTW, if he was yelling anti-semetic comments at the officer, is it only a hate crime if the officer is Jewish?

I hate the Mel with a passion.

However, I don't think anything will come of this. If Cynthia McKinney can slap a cop and get away with it, this is going to be a non-issue, in my opinion.

As far as his statements, his ultra religious fan-base will probably not care, because it's the type of stuff they probably say around the dinner table.

Hi, I'm Mel Gibson and I'm an alcoholic.



/just kidding
//we've all been there

I should put you away
Where you can't hurt or maim us
But this is LA
And you're rich and faaaaaaaaaaaaamous.....

/"Kickin' It" touring company, starring Mel Gibson
//much better than "Cats"

BTW, if he was yelling anti-semetic comments at the officer, is it only a hate crime if the officer is Jewish?

That's a good question and probably goes with the other one that asks, "if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

What fascinates me is how Mel got from Point A (being pulled over) to point B (launching I tirade about economical jewish suppression and control within the United States)

Mel Gibson arrested for terrorism? Man...

I need to become famous, than I can do whatever I want. That would be awesome, I would have fans follow me no matter how retarded I act.

Bastards



Mel Gibson arrested for Terrorism is a better headline:

http://www.bbclosangeles.com/BBCNEWS_Mel_Gibson_Arrested_On_Terrorism.htm
/One slash
//Slashie, look, slashie, weeeeeee
///SLA... oh I give up.

At least he made a fairly lengthy apology. While that doesn't excuse drunken driving of a car and drunken driving of the mouth, it's better than most celebrities.

Probably won't help his reputation among the jewish community much though.

Gaboo:

Dissenter of Dearth: I call shenanigans.

Oh, come on... it was on the internet for Christ's sake! Everyone knows that if you read something on the internet, it *has* to be true- especially if it came from a celebrity "news" site. Sheesh.

Should be pretty easy to prove or disprove considering that the officer's dashcam was on.

What fascinates me is how Mel got from Point A (being pulled over) to point B (launching I tirade about economical jewish suppression and control within the United States)

Have you never been drunk? I know a guy who can go from debating the merits of different programming languages to why Bush is alot like Hitler in a couple of barely-logical leaps.

/its very annoying
//he does it all the time

He should just play the race card like the fat black cow did on the airline. Being from Oz I would bet he has some black blood in him.
I guess all those who got drunk and did not know what you said always forget it when it happens to others?

xRyanx: Should be pretty easy to prove or disprove considering that the officer's dashcam was on.


Yes, and I'll wait til I see that footage before I just take somebody's word for it. I'm not suggesting it didn't happen, but I sure haven't seen any actual evidence yet.

As a Pope, I find this book essential.

Now we know where his "passion" was coming from , drunk or not those thoughts are in his head and the "blood of christ" just helped them out of his mouth. If he drove the speed limit he would not be in this jam or take a f'n cab! you have the money, call for a limo. What break did he get from the cops? Getting a ride home is a break - 5 hours downtown jail DUI is not...

A bottle of tequila was found in Gibson's car.

"Cuervo" doesn't sound like a Jewish name to me.

Maybe they used to be the "Cohen" family of Madrid until the 1490s?

I'm kinda thinkin' that Mel's probably not sweating the DUI thing after his terrorism arrest.

"I own Malibu"?? What an arse. That's just hyper-prima donna stuff. I say silly things when I'm drunk, but I stop at Fresno.

Besides, Chuck Norris owns Malibu.

Gaboo:

Yes, and I'll wait til I see that footage before I just take somebody's word for it. I'm not suggesting it didn't happen, but I sure haven't seen any actual evidence yet.

Err wait, I just re-read the TMZ article, and the officer was recording audio, not video. It also says that another officer arrived and started recording video.

Mr. Gibson.. treats objects... like women, man!

When are we going to stop pussy footing around with terrorist sympathizers? Yes, Mel should be publiclly beheaded and all the proceeds from the Passion should be distributed to the World Jewish Congress as reparations. A lesson needs to be taught.

Dragonsbreath: Being from Oz


He was born in Peekskill, NY, and lived there until he was 9 or so. That Oz accent he sported forever was fay-hay-haaaayke.

Of course Mr. Chocolate does his business in the woods. Silly!

Is it just me, or does Sugar Tits sound like a fantastic new breakfast cereal?

http://www.gnarlsbarkley.com/

/Second Song...
//read the article...sing along
///you'll thank me.

CrazyLarry: As far as his statements, his ultra religious fan-base will probably not care, because it's the type of stuff they probably say around the dinner table.

Doubt it. I come from a very Catholic family and from birth I was taught by my parents and our teachers at school that jews were not responsible for the death of Jesus. Beyond that, jews really weren't much a concern for any of us growing up.

While the whole brouhaha about the Passion was going on, I tended to tell people to wait and watch the movie. It followed what was written pretty closely (at least the parts he didn't invent to pad out what is one of the shortest historical stories known to man), and the Romans, not the jews, carried out the execution. The problem is that some people wanted any reference to the high priests at the time taken out of the story, but there they are in the bible, so it's difficult to do so.

Anyhoo, when his father started spouting off and Mel didn't exactly condemn him for it, I let it slide because I thought it was unfair to ask someone to publicly denouce their own dad. I told people it was highly unlikely Mel Gibson was an anti-semite because his long history in hollywood had to have produced some friendships with at least SOMEONE who is jewish. I thought Mel was a little batty for rejecting Vatican II, but I let it slide.

Now this. Mel Gibson is an anti-semite. I won't let it slide.

Gaboo

Yes, and I'll wait til I see that footage before I just take somebody's word for it. I'm not suggesting it didn't happen, but I sure haven't seen any actual evidence yet.

He himself has already issued an apology for his rant. Is that satisfactory, or should we wait for an unbiased report?

DivaVelour, depends on the milk they use for it...

It can be considered a hate crime if he *perceived* the officer as a Jew. Whether or not he actually is a Jew is irrelevant....(Just had to take a class on this)

oflinkey: He was born in Peekskill, NY, and lived there until he was 9 or so.

Are you kidding??? That's like 20 min north of me!

Hi, I'm Mel Gibson and I'm an alcoholic.

Hey, it could be worse for him. Some alcoholics end up on the street or losing their jobs/spouses, etc. Mel has still managed to nearly become a billionaire. "This round is on me!"

Fie

The anti-semitic ravings and arrogance (I own Malibu, I'll get even with you for this, etc.) - there's no way to spin this.

Mr. Gibson draws a lot of water in this town. You don't draw shiat, Fie. Now we got a nice, quiet little beach community here, and I aim to keep it nice and quiet. So let me make something plain. I don't like you sucking around, bothering our citizens, Fie. I don't like your jerk-off name. I don't like your jerk-off face. I don't like your jerk-off behavior, and I don't like you, jerk-off. Do I make myself clear?

Big farking deal.

ets2104: Are you kidding??? That's like 20 min north of me

Id ouble checked the old IMDb to be sure, but I found that information years ago. I can't remember exactly how old he was, but it was well after primary language acquisition. He would have had a residual from living in Australia for as long as he did, but not the whole "G'day mate!", Crocodile Dundee twang he had for years.

So_it_goes

That's a BIG BEAR!!!

I'm thinking that this terrorism arrest is going to be like a rorschach test for what people think of the current administration's anti-terrorism policies.

No, but they have been known to shiat in the liquor tent.

A problem with the drink; ok, we all have weaknesses of one kind or another, and we're here to help each other out. Spouting ignorant reactionary bullshiat; ok, as long as you never get to be in charge because we live in a country that is based on checks and balances and so no one person or faction gets to be in charge, and freedom of speech means you're not the only one who gets to speak. Religious psycho, ok. So far I'm not worried or angsting.

Drunk driving; unforgiveable. Getting behind the wheel drunk is what makes Mel a major league a**hole. What part of "drunk drivers kill innocents" don't people understand!? Mel could have drunk himself into a near coma and wondered over to a synagogue and puked on the front doors for all I cared, but driving drunk crosses the line. A**hole. Major league.

RadioactiveApe
jerk-offable face, if you don't mind!

A bear and a rabbit are in the woods talking and the bear asks the rabbit "do you have a problem with sheet sticking to your fur?"
The rabbit says "no. not at all."
So the bear picks up the rabbit and wipes his butt with him.


Mad Max rules!

nashBridges:

Having gone to Notre Dame for grad school, I wasn't exactly pointing to Catholics as his ultra religious fan base. A Notre Dame catholic tends to be as about as conservative/religious as they come in Catholic circles, and that's not the type I'm talking about.

I was thinking more along the lines of Fred Phelps.

Baca on Saturday defended the way his department handled the case and said the actor's behavior after his arrest is not relevant to the criminal charges... "Our job is not to [focus] on what he said. It's to establish his blood-alcohol level when he was driving and proceed with the case."

Sums it up for me. The rest of this whole thing is non-news. There are a lot more important things going on in the world than anything Mel Gibson said. Like for example, who Paris Hilton is partying with these days.

As much as I'm entertained by the thought of Gibson spewing a bunch of racist shiat at the cop, I'm convinced that there's as much of a chance that none of the things he was quoted as saying in the police reports are things he actually said.

/Bad experiences with cops bullshiatting police reports.
//Once had a cop quote me in a report as admitting I ran from him, when actually he got caught behind a truck before putting his lights on and pulled me over (with no resistance) 3 miles down the freeway.

On a completed related note: is the BBC story about Mel funneling money to terrorist groups true or not?

I can't seem to find any other stories on it.

Skip Whiffle:
That's a fake News page...just FYI

Poor guy.

Having battled alcoholism and addiction myself (recovering), I understand the pain he is currently in. And has been in in the past. Money and fame don't make it go away. It's there, always. I said and did shiat when I was high and drunk that I would never even think twice about doing today. When you are deep in your addictions, the last thing you can do is form rational thought.

So, poor guy. I hope he gets better.

As long as no one boycotts his movies so I can rent a peek at Mel's heiny any time I want...

/"Would you like some butter on that popcorn?"
//"Or on that a$$?!"

Dammit, I came to see the crazy, wide-eyed, Saddam Hussein-lookin' Mel Gibson. Now make with the pics!


Nevermind....I'll do it myself:

Thanks, digitalmonk. It sure is looking fishy.

Hi, I'm bad_rutabaga and I take what celebrities say and do _VERY PERSONALLY_.

Don't you?

/Shell

Uh, if a person-of-color who wasn't a hollywood star said to a cop "you motherfarker" and "I'm going to fark you", they would be lucky to have more than 10 combined unbroken ribs and teeth when they woke up the next morning.

Is Mel not beat to a pulp? He got a break.

I once owned a Malibu. It was a great car.

Maybe the "I own Malibu" bit was actually a confession to owning a bottle of Malibu stashed in the trunk after they found the tequila?

Bacontastesgood: Uh, if a person-of-color who wasn't a hollywood star said to a cop "you motherfarker" and "I'm going to fark you", they would be lucky to have more than 10 combined unbroken ribs and teeth when they woke up the next morning.

In California? Yep, you're right. They look for excuses to hurt people.

/borrowed from the "modern drunkard" thread.

el oh el at mel gibson descending into full anti-semitic mode.

seriously, considering the crazed machine he stepped into during the passion, i'm not surprised. if his weird upbringing hadn't made him a full-fledged anti-semite, i'm sure that becoming the ball in a wargame between jewish interest groups and conservative christian crazies probably convinced him that any tall tale he once heard about war between christians and 'christ-killers' were 100% dead-on. put a few beers into that and see what comes out.

the scary part? oliver stone's world trade center is currently being promoted by the same conservative machine that made the passion into the media issue of the year. (although stone is being pretty up front about playing them for ticket sales, and i think he has a better shot at gibson at remaining above all this.)

DrewAC
Uhhm, what? I don't care what "side" you are on but wanting an entire nation of people to be "blown into oblivion" is pretty farking lame, not to mention a whole bunch of other things.

Sometimes people exaggerate to get their point across. On the internet this "modus operandi" is especially prevalent. This is because most message boards are little more than a clutter of incomprehensible comments and if it's a hot topic new ones are added every minute. The would-be contributor finds himself in a dilemma. Will they understand a proper syllogism? Do I have enough time to spend? Is anyone even listening? Soon enough he realizes that it's a lot easier for him to just summarize his viewpoint and maybe spice it up with some inflammatory language and hyperbole, in the end he will accomplish his objective just the same. What is the objective of online arguments? Convincing your opponent? Winning the crowd? Or maybe simply a form of catharsis, the soul-cleansing sense of accomplishment in knowing that you have forced your opinion upon others. And if you've made them angry - all the better.

He was born in Peekskill, NY, and lived there until he was 9 or so. That Oz accent he sported forever was fay-hay-haaaayke.

When I was about 13-14, I had a friend who had moved from New Zealand when he was ten. With the exception of a few words here and there, he sounded perfectly American while at school, while his older sister kept her New Zealand accent.

But, when I went to his house, his accent became much stronger when he was around his parents.

So Mr. Gibson's accent is quite likely natural.

I had a very strong southern U.S. accent until I was 15 or so, but now it's much less noticeable. It gets stronger when I visit my relatives, though.

Ok, Seriously mods, that was quite funny
"(post deleted: Post quoted or referred to a post that was deleted/berating moderators)"

I rest my case on Jews being the only group that hate speech is tolerated here. I can't even berate moderators. Oh well. I think I'll survive.

Quadrulplator, i believe the objective is simply to have discourse, however i cant remember the last time fark.com had intelligent discourse on any topic.

To those STILL attempting to defend Gibson, please you are just making yourself look stupid, just admit that the guy is crazy and move on.

I found this article from Nov 03 to be quite interesting in retrospect

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200311%5CCU L20031107c.html

some highlights:
Abraham Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) said of Gibson, "I think he's infected -- seriously infected -- with some very, very serious anti-Semitic views.

"[Gibson's] got classical anti-Semitic views. If he can say that there is a cabal out there of secular liberal Jews who are trying to blame the Holocaust on the Catholic Church, that's a classic anti-Semitic canard -- that Jews operate in cabals to get their way.

Then, Foxman proceeds to get blasted

"I would regard this as the most singular irresponsible statement we have heard yet from any one of Mel Gibson's critics," Donohue told CNSNews.com.

Donohue said the comments about Gibson and his movie at the ADL panel discussion are what you would "expect from people in an asylum."

Medved, the author of the book Hollywood vs. America and a nationally syndicated radio talk show host, said it's "ridiculous" to say that Gibson holds anti-Semitic views.

'Verbal hate crime'

Jennifer Giroux, the foundation director of the group Women Influencing the Nation (W.I.N.) called the Foxman's statement that Gibson was "infected" with anti-Semitic views a "verbal hate crime."

hahahahaha

My wife and I can't even bring ourselves to watch Mel's movies anymore, including the ones we have on DVD. It's just too creepy.

Bonzy20 That's a BIG BEAR!!!

You gotta see this -

Grizzly man parody (google video)

Why is The Smoking Gun not there?

LMAO what a douche bag. Ultra religous fundamentalisim is a mentall disease

aphexcoil3
That's a good question and probably goes with the other one that asks, "if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

That is a good question..

Borders on another great rhetorical question..

If a man says something and there are no women around... Is he still wrong?

"I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable. I am deeply ashamed of everything I said.

"I ... profoundly regret my horrific relapse. I apologize for any behavior unbecoming of me in my inebriated state and have already taken necessary steps to ensure my return to health."

When was the last time you ever read any Hollywood type taking that kind of blame and accountability. Asshat? Yup, you bet. But cops dread these things as they wind their way through court. Gibson just told the cops to sleep easy, that he's soory and he's not going after them.

Arresting a powerful person, even when the arrest is obviously justified, can be an instant or a very slow and painful career death. Gibson is being a man about that. Props to him on that issue.

Alcohol is a disinhibiter, so you tend to blurt out the stuff you know better than to say when you're sober. It was pretty obvious to me that Mel's an anti-semite when the Passion came out, and I swore I'd never watch another Mel Gibson movie again. And I haven't. That's probably true of a large percentage of the other 6 million Jews in this country. We're probably significantly cutting into his box office take -- not. Screw him, his father, and assholes like delmark looking for justifications for their anti-semitism (uh, the fact that Hezbollah has a seemingly endless supply of Katyusha rockets -- a purely offensive weapon with no defensive capabilities -- might suggest to a reasonable person that the Israeli incursion into Lebanon is completely justified, and the regrettable loss of Lebanese life is due more to Hezbollah's proclivity to site their bases in civilian neighborhoods than to Israel's bloodthirsty disregard for human life).

Incidentally, what is ol' Mel's real name? Is it short for Melvin? That's kind of a traditional Jewish geek name. Anyway, that's how I'll be referring to him from now on, good ol' Melvin Gibson, president of the high school chess club.

C'mon Mel, tell us what you really think!

/just because he had a well-written, contrite sounding apology doesn't mean it was sincere
//$damage$control$$$$$$$$

The dude is looking and acting rather Taliban-ish. I read that he doesn't let his daughters wear short sleeved shirts or shorts because it's immoral and immodest. "Sorry, kids, you're going to have to sweat to death in the summer or I'll have you sent off to nun camp!"

I read that he killed a hobo with a hammer for eating a burger on Friday.

Folks, whether you believe he was ranting and raving or not, it WILL come out when the audio of his arrest is eventually released.

Anyone think it WILL NOT be released?

Loved Braveheart, but Mel jumped the shark sometime back. Not sure when, but he definitely did.

The report says Gibson then launched into a barrage of anti-Semitic statements: "F*****g Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." Gibson then asked the deputy, "Are you a Jew?"

A law enforcement source says Gibson then noticed another female sergeant and yelled, "What do you think you're looking at, sugar tits?"

/class act right there
//those who said Pasions of the Christ wasn't anti-jew can you fark yourselves because your a bunch of morons

Is it just me or does Mel with a beard look a bit like Saddam? And just where was his mom 51 years ago?

lajaunie those who said Pasions of the Christ wasn't anti-jew can you fark yourselves because your a bunch of morons

spot-on. surely now we can officially catalog The Passion as religious-hatemongering-propaganda

lajaunie: //those who said Pasions of the Christ wasn't anti-jew can you fark yourselves because your a bunch of morons

Did you see the movie? Can you point out a particular instance that you found offensive? Was it that Jews were featured at all, or that they were portrayed as wanting Jesus killed as a political move? Was it about how the jews were portayed?

I'm genuinely curious.

Why the hell do people hate jews? Makes no sense at all...

>>I'm genuinely curious.>>

I am too. The Romans were portrayed as cartoonish morons, though. The Italians should file a class-action lawsuit.

ZippyChippy

http://www.adl.org/Interfaith/gibson_qa.asp

Why the hell do people hate jews? Makes no sense at all...

If it wasn't for the corporate media and liberal universities in cahoots with Isreal, you would have read "The Protocols" and been informed of the vast Zionist conspiracy to K-pareve our food and thereby sap the testosterone from our systems, turning us into willing slaves listening to our subliminal orders via iPod.

/reason's got nothing to do with it

jmr61 Loved Braveheart, but Mel jumped farked the shark sometime back. Not sure when, but he definitely did.

Don't know what compelled me to "fix that for ya".

/he's lucky that the cop didn't, to paraphrase Officer Garcia (Reno 911), "introduce him to my Lord" (or another way he put it "bought him some stick time")
//average Joe Schmoe would have become John Doe, though.
///hey, that rhymes and exaggerates! (marginally)

trebordoubleagents: http://www.adl.org/Interfaith/gibson_qa.asp

Hi treb. I read the q&a when it came out, too. Slate had a good article about the whole brouhaha here:

http://www.slate.com/id/2088417/ (pops)

It seems to me the only way to portray the passion as it is written in the New Testament without offending anybody is to add a scrolling disclaimer at the bottom. I don't think they're going to go back and take out references to the sanhedrin completely.

Considering the gospels are probably inacurrate on this point, it would be nice to add a disclaimer explaining that at the time most of the gospels were written, early christians were fighting not only the romans but also other jews, so take everything written with a grain of salt. I believe the high priests probably had a hand in getting the romans to crucify Jesus, but not to the degree that is actually written.

Probably never going to happen.

MugatoI fail to see what one thing has to do with the other unless you can point out an example of the film itself being anti-Semetic.

/can think of a couple wars the Jews aren't responsible for in mid-Africa

Yeah all those Japanese Jews during WWII really really suck too.

Mel Gibson has simply removed all doubt regarding his anti-semitism with this latest insane outburst.

Oh, and another excellent article from a Judaic Studdies professor, which offers another explanation for why the gospels are written as they are:

http://hnn.us/articles/3603.html (pops)

This guy is more along my line of thinking.

nashBridges

Good article - thanks!

BUT now we have the added context of a drunken Mel Gibson fulminating about the Jews. This episode certainly gives us a revealing insight into his mindset and possibly his motivations for the film, and has decided for me that the whole thing was an exercise in anti-semitism.

Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, issued the following statement:

Mel Gibson's apology is unremorseful and insufficient. It's not a proper apology because it does not go to the essence of his bigotry and his anti-Semitism.

His tirade finally reveals his true self and shows that his protestations during the debate over his film "The Passion of the Christ," that he is such a tolerant, loving person, were a sham. It may well be that the bigotry has been passed from the father to the son. It is unfortunate that it took an excess of booze and an encounter with a traffic cop to reveal what was really in his heart and mind.

We would hope that Hollywood now would realize the bigot in their midst and that they will distance themselves from this anti-Semite.

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4861_12.htm

clambam

Alcohol is a disinhibiter, so you tend to blurt out the stuff you know better than to say when you're sober. It was pretty obvious to me that Mel's an anti-semite when the Passion came out, and I swore I'd never watch another Mel Gibson movie again.

Have you ever BEEN around an alcoholic or totally wasted individual? They just repeat whatever they've heard last or whatever conclusion their insane, inebriated thought process has led them to--be it a theory about aliens, Jews, 9/11, Jesus' descendants, etc.

Booze may be a disinhibitor, but it is NOT a truth serum. It enhances and changes your mood and THAT is what dictates what you say, be it slobbering "I love you," wearing "beer goggles," or being viciously angry at everyone around you--including a group that your father probably has just biatched about.

The deputy said he told Gibson "that if he remained cooperative, I would transport him without handcuffing."

ive been arrested dozens of times,and never not once, have i been transported without handcuffs. not even for minor infractions like not paying a $50 jaywalking ticket.
No special treatment my ass.

Stick it to em, Abe

When a drunk person rambles things I believe that they actually believe what they are saying. Maybe it's Freudian. There is absolutely no excuse for what Mel said. He has fallen to the bottom of my list of respectable actors. As far as I am concerned, he is garbage. Everything he said I would not want my children to hear. He is an embarassment to Christians.

Why the hell do people hate jews? Makes no sense at all...

There's really no reason, dude, just religious bullshiat, mostly.

"they killed jebus!"

At one time a good chunk of our conservative leaning folk in the US were blaming everything on the jews.

For now, it's mostly the bloodthirsty islamofacists.

Screams incomprehensible- I'll do you one better:

"The Jews are responsible for The War of the Worlds!"

Yeah, I think Spielberg directed that flick.

trebordoubleagents: BUT now we have the added context of a drunken Mel Gibson fulminating about the Jews. This episode certainly gives us a revealing insight into his mindset and possibly his motivations for the film, and has decided for me that the whole thing was an exercise in anti-semitism.

Perhaps. What bothers me about the whole thing is that I'm a devout Catholic, I watched the film, and I was astonished simply because it held my attention the entire time telling a story I've heard a million times. I fully expected to be bored to tears.

I will readily admit I did not see anti-semitic events in the film for the simple reason that I wasn't looking for them. I was focused on Jesus. That does not mean those events weren't there, if I were jewish I'd probably spot them repeatedly, much like I wince whenever Dan Brown lays the blame for something else at the feet of the Catholic church or, more often, Opus Dei (my brother is a member - if they had the power or motives he claims the world would be a very different place).

This of course sends me into a tizzy because if an anti-semite makes an anti-semitic film, and I take a different meaning from it, does that invalidate what I got out of it? Maybe. This latest episode from Mel certainly ruins my opinion of him as a person, and now I'll have to watch the film again and see what I get out of it now.

It does, as a mental exercise, make me wonder how to properly portray a passion narrative in the modern day because the crucifixtion is so central to our faith.

The child in me also wants Kevin Smith to make a film about Jesus as a teenager. THAT would be funny.

/imagines practicing "ressurection" on his junk.
//So going to hell...

"The Jews are responsible for The War of the Worlds!"

Yeah, I think Spielberg directed that flick.

I LOL'd.

nashBridges: /imagines practicing "ressurection" on his junk.

Ahem, resurrection

/God is punishing me for my movie idea.

delmark

You're going to have to do better trolling than that, my dear.

nashBridges:
Oh, and another excellent article from a Judaic Studdies professor, which offers another explanation for why the gospels are written as they are:

http://hnn.us/articles/3603.html (pops)

This guy is more along my line of thinking.

Wow, why is so much effort and money spent probing the hypothetical folklore events of nearly 2000 years ago? We can't even decide for sure what happended yesterday! But, people are trying to discern the "truth" from alegoric story-telling from a primative era.

Wow, just wow.

Give me a break. The man died for our sins on the cross!

delmark:

At least that was an accident. The other side targets civilians deliberately.

Oznog: Give me a break. The man died for our sins on the cross!

Assuming you were serious, who says he did? The same "writers" who said that he cured lepers by exorcising their demons??

Bon_Scott: Wow, why is so much effort and money spent probing the hypothetical folklore events of nearly 2000 years ago? We can't even decide for sure what happended yesterday! But, people are trying to discern the "truth" from alegoric story-telling from a primative era.

Wow, just wow.

Well, it helps to know the history behind your own society so you can learn from it. It helps to know the historical context when reading something written from the past. Hell, it helps to know the context of something written in the present.

For evidence of this theory, check your thoughts the next time you read a posted link to Fox News, The Jerusalem Post, Al-Jazeera, etc.

nashBridges:

Bon_Scott: Wow, why is so much effort and money spent probing the hypothetical folklore events of nearly 2000 years ago? We can't even decide for sure what happended yesterday! But, people are trying to discern the "truth" from alegoric story-telling from a primative era.

Wow, just wow.

Well, it helps to know the history behind your own society so you can learn from it. It helps to know the historical context when reading something written from the past. Hell, it helps to know the context of something written in the present.

For evidence of this theory, check your thoughts the next time you read a posted link to Fox News, The Jerusalem Post, Al-Jazeera, etc.

Thanks for stating the obvious. And I've checked out those sources countless times. It still doesn't change the fact that we have no idea what really happened 2000 years ago. Hell, we barely know what happened yesterday by looking at the various sources you cited.

I'm WELL-read on the bible, it's history and U.S. history, etc. etc. It still doesn't account for the alegoric proposporous writings of the primative biblical writers. To them all of the "unexplained" phenomena at the time was unexplained. Well, that's not the case anymore, obviously.

So, unless you're prepared to argue that the universe revolves around the earth, Moses lived to be 900 years old, the moon emits light, Noah was able to retrieve two sexes of every animal from every point on the globe and keep them alive on a wooden ship (giggle giggle), leprocy is caused by demons, etc. etc. etc., then what is the point of arguing it? Hope? Wishful thinking? Those are the motivations for buying lottery tickets! But, a religion???

Good grief. I could go on and on. But fairytales aren't worth it.

Gibson is a drunk, like so many of us, and got busted for DUI, like so many of us. I have not lost respect for him or his talent, and I think he has conducted himself well, both before, and especially after his arrested. I've been blitzed well beyond his .12 and said incredibly stupid things and been forgiven. He's no different than your Matthew Perry or your Billy Joel or your (name DUI celebrity here), but he's still a genuine artist who has owned up to his fark up and will doubtlessly pay the price with an understanding of what he did and why it matters.

And his point about being glad to be apprehended before he injured someone else (Go ahead, you publicity rep boosters) says a lot about the guy. We don't really care if the drunk gets killed. We worry about our families, out there on the road at the same time.

Good for Mel for owning up. Alcoholism is a long road. He's handled this as well as possible, with an apology so abject as to be almost beyond description.

/recovering alcoholic
/no fan of drunk drivers
/not a fan of MADD, either

Interesting fact, i was pulled over by this deputy Mee for going 65 in a 50 zone on PCH. I go to court, and somehow i was going 75...

Thanks, trebordoubleagents. I had actually seen that FAQ but it was good to read it again, because a lot of enlightening points are made, mostly as they concern what a non-Christian might take from the film. This point is a good example of what I'm talking about:

>>We were saddened and pained to find that "The Passion of the Christ" continues its unambiguous portrayal of Jews as being responsible for the death of Jesus. There is no question in this film about who is responsible. At every single opportunity, Mr. Gibson's film reinforces the notion that the Jewish authorities and the Jewish mob are the ones ultimately responsible for the Crucifixion. >>

Watching the film, I felt the point was made clearly that Christ gave up his life willingly, as a sacrifice. The section with the mob and the dramatic treatment of the Pharisees was essentially no different in this film than in any other on the same topic.

I respect the ADL's thoughts on the topic, but don't hold much validity for me because I believe that no one "killed" Christ -- He gave up His life of His own accord, as a sacrifice. Sure, there were Jews involved in the events because the events took place in Judea, so that should be no surprise -- they were a big part of the regional demographics. But they were people, acting as people do. They don't matter much to the real story, which was focused on the sacrifice of Christ. I found the film to be not for all tastes, but quite moving and profound.

Re: Gibson's behavior -- Rationality is not the domain of the relapsed addict, particularly one with what seems to be something of a borderline personality, so I'm thinking that perhaps the intensity of his statements probably don't reflect his attitudes. Even the core ideas behind what he said are so offensive that he won't be getting any of my money again. It's too bad, because I've enjoyed so many of his films, but no one who disses Jews is a friend of mine. I know that probably has him quivering in his boots, but my own wallet is all I have to vote with, and I'll be keeping it closed where he's concerned.

Gibson was great in The Road Warrior. Then he made the shiatty sequel with Tina Turner, and it was all downhill from there.

"I love ya... Always have. Always will."

/Braveheart

I recently watched the Passion for the 1st time and I felt it pretty much stuck to the bilblical story. In teh bible it's clear that Pilate is reluctant to execute Jesus (that's why he offered the crowd a choice). There is nothing in the movie beyond that that is anti-Jewish. And it is evident that everyone in the movie is a Jew including Jesus (except for the Romans). So the attack on this movie was not motivated by its content, rather an effort to discredit a popular portrayal of a religious figure (which is inherently an evil thing to do in the eyes of some nowadays).

Bon_Scott: So, unless you're prepared to argue that the universe revolves around the earth, Moses lived to be 900 years old, the moon emits light, Noah was able to retrieve two sexes of every animal from every point on the globe and keep them alive on a wooden ship (giggle giggle), leprocy is caused by demons, etc. etc. etc., then what is the point of arguing it? Hope? Wishful thinking? Those are the motivations for buying lottery tickets! But, a religion???

I think you are confusing arguments. Look at the move from polytheistic to monotheistic religions. It was a massive change within the history of civilization. Judaism was born while most people still thought the sun was a god of many. Christianity was born (my own theory) as a revolt against the ruling classes of the time.

Religion and politics have been intertwined since man began. If you don't understand where the sentiments came from, then you cannot hope to progress. More importantly, you should use what you can find as a means to progress further.

If we could do an experiment in which we raised two humans separately and never gave them contact the outside world, then put them in a room with one another, I have no doubt they would try to kill each other. It's in our nature. We are obligated to rise above that.

Mel apologists: in vino veritas.

andrew131: Rich and famous people get breaks in the judicial system, who knew?

Where do they get all these great plea bargains, anyway!?

/From the plea market?

lajaunie,
//those who said Pasions of the Christ wasn't anti-jew can you fark yourselves because your a bunch of morons

I guess christianity and the bible is based on bigotry then too? Since the story told in the Passion was just as I learned it in sunday school.

I can't say I'm a fan of Mel Gibson, I don't know Mel Gibson and am certainly not impressed with his fame and fortune. For all I know, he could be a complete arsehole who beats his wife and kids. I am, however, a fan of the characters he plays, and the films he makes, and I enjoy his work as an entertainer. All you people ready to lay down your life to either defend him or chastize him, need to get a life first. He's an ENTERTAINER, if you don't like his work, don't pay for it, he's not trying to run the country, and he's not vying for your votes.

"The Anti-Defamation League, which was critical of the portrayal of Jews in "The Passion of the Christ," called Gibson's statement "unremorseful and insufficient."

"It's not a proper apology because it does not go to the essence of his bigotry," said Abraham H. Foxman, the group's national director, in a written statement"

Yeah, because none of us guys have ever said anything spiteful, hurtful, or vindictive when we were piss-poor drunk right?

Seriously people, take this guy off the pedistal for a second, and look at him as if he was your next door average joe. If you're going to feel bad for someone, feel bad for his 7 kids who have to show up to school tomorrow with ignorance and cruelty of their peers.



"For all right judgment of any man or things it is useful, nay, essential, to see his good qualities before pronouncing on his bad." - Thomas Carlyle

Some of the good 1

Some of the good 2

It is interesting that he made a bunch of anti-Semitic remarks, I thought during the painstaking research for his latest movie, the guy would have dug up the startling fact that his hero Jesus was a Jewish rabbi.

Especially "the Jews are responsible for all wars"... WTF, pick up a history book, douchebag.

mugato I have no idea what that sentence means. What I'm saying is that he could be the head of the Aryan Nation and that doesn't change the content of the film and whether or not it's anti-Semetic. Gibson didn't write the Bible or the Gospels and according to them, yeah, there were a few Jews involved.

You stated that maybe a couple of wars in Africa weren't started by Jews and I pointed out that you are a moran. What part of moran do you not understand?

Regarding your opinion that the writer, director and producer of a movie couldn't slant a story, whether it is a thousand years or a week old, is silly. Of course he can and did interpet the myth in his own way. He retold his version of Christ's death through his very orthodox, extremist, pre-Vatican II, Catholic eyes. Vatican II by the way was the Pope who started Catholic reforms and officially stated that the Jews were not responsible for Jesus's death.

Mel Gibson does not think that the Catholic Church after Vatican II is legitimate.

Do you see a pattern here maybe?

newmoonpuppyhead


Yes, addiction sucks, and I would never want to see Mr. Gibson suffer. However, that IS NOT an excuse. I have had my own issues, but when drunk/high I don't start saying random BS about how we should hang ni**gers or get rid of the dirty spi*cs and ch**nks.
If he said it when drunk, he thinks it when sober.

DulceEtDecorumEst If he said it when drunk, he thinks it when sober.

IN VINO VERITAS

I would also like to point out that according to the reports, his BAC was 0.12. That really isn't that drunk...I think it's like having 3 beers in a little over an hour for the average 170lb male. Enough to get that warm feeling in your stomach, and start to feel like you are hot shiat, but not anywhere near enough that you don't know exactly what you are doing.
I might be able to give Mel a little bit of wiggle room if he had been pulled over with a head full of acid while driving a 100mph in the wrong direction on a divided highway while stark naked, but that's a whole different scenario.

I remember thinking South Park was rather harsh on Mel. Now I see they were rather accurate.

Mel Gibson's dad is a holocaust denier so I think that tells us where he gets it from.

Most of the New Testament was written by Jews.

Well, I know I'm totally late to the party, but "What do you think you're looking at, sugar tits?" gets funnier every time I read it.

/that is all.
//What do you think you're looking at, sugar tits?

A drunk is pulled over and fails the field sobriety test. The arresting female officer proceeds to inform the drunk of his Miranda rights, including the part about "...anything you say may be held against you..."

To which the drunk replied, "Boobs!"

/Looking for the mugshot...

LACSD vehicles are painted black with all four doors white and a very large family-size Mogen David or Jewish Star on each front one.

Mel Gibson displaying Oz joking behaviour, mates.

BTW solo & alone on PCH It's dark 02:37 AM on a weekday and you are a mega-wealthy target of opportunity & you see headlights from behind no flashers usually until close-enough to ID vehicle. What would YOU do?... boogie to 87 mph!!! too.

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http://www.halfjew.com/html/celebrity/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_actors_and_actresses