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2006-07-30 10:11:50 PM
"Come on, Al. Give it one more go. You're ready. Rather than reinventing government, you have reinvented yourself - as the real deal."

Does anyone else think this last line is funny? I mean if you "reinvent" yourself that means you are no longer who you you used to be and ergo not "the real deal"!!!!

/ I love "Quotation marks"
// they may be the new "slashy"
""" see looks cool, no?
 
2006-07-30 10:12:27 PM
inkdrinker
And ixi jim ixi wins the round. Tell him what he's won, Bob!

Eeep! Bob? Hopefully, I haven't 'won' the honor of being spayed or neutered.
 
2006-07-30 10:12:54 PM
personally i feel that mcdonald's restaurants should go up on every block in israel. I also feel that they should be supplied by russian argonauts in tweed.
 
2006-07-30 10:13:41 PM
All I know is that I hope it's not true what they say, that cow farts are a major contributor to greenhouse gasses. You'll get me to give up red meat over my cold dead corpse, you bastards...
 
2006-07-30 10:14:47 PM

If farkers were issue voters as agroup we would all have to agree on the following candidate:

www.dougstanhope.com
 
2006-07-30 10:14:54 PM
2006-07-30 03:47:38 PM Confabulat [TotalFark]

Gore told Rolling Stone, "Right now we are borrowing huge amounts of money from China to buy huge amounts of oil from the most unstable region of the world, and to bring it here and burn it in ways that destroy the habitability of the planet. That is nuts! We have to change every aspect of that."

Hard to argue with that logic.


Interesting that this trend not only started with Clinton/Gore...but that he doesn't acknowledge or recognize it.

Clinton and Gore "opened" China trade and welcomed outsourcing as panaceas for a moribund economy. 2 things that ACTUALLY WERE good for the economy! AND NOW they disavow these things as evil tools of the Bush economy. Interesting.

Do as they say...not as they do, I suppose. Typical political BS.
 
2006-07-30 10:15:05 PM
ArmoredFelix
personally i feel that mcdonald's restaurants should go up on every block in israel.

I was hoping more for Subways or Blimpies. I'd imagine it's damn near impossible to get a decent ham sandwich in Tel Aviv
 
2006-07-30 10:15:11 PM
IXI Jim IXI

You got me. I can't type. Therefore by default everything I have posted is null and void and hereby stricken from the record.

On the other hand, you are seriously in need of a life.
 
2006-07-30 10:15:21 PM
It's easy for a politician to talk shiat when they don't have the public's and businesses' hands up their arse.They know how to blow the sunshine when they aren't in the hotseat making policy with a thousand people with self-intrests whipsering in their ear.


/not impressed
//just saying
 
2006-07-30 10:16:55 PM
Tipper = MILF
 
2006-07-30 10:19:36 PM
alidade
You got me. I can't type. Therefore by default everything I have posted is null and void and hereby stricken from the record.

On the other hand, you are seriously in need of a life.


Untwist your panties, nancy boy. You're the one who decided to get on your high horse and pick on Glassfish for his "use of the English language", screwing your own post up in the process.
 
2006-07-30 10:19:40 PM

Threads like this are great because you get to see exactly who the idiots are- the hard core remaining 29% that still support that orangutan in the White House. The sheer tenacity and stubborn delusional sense of denial that their hero has done a such piss poor job is actually kind of funny.

Gore may not exactly be Mr. Personality, but what is categorically undeniable by anyone with a brain is that there is no way he could possibly do worse then the C-student idiot we're stuck with now.

You guys go ahead and laugh. The theocrats and the philistines are finally going to be kicked out so we can start fixing the mess you morons have made.


members.cox.net
 
2006-07-30 10:20:33 PM
moltov: Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internets, someone posted a story on here a while ago about exactly that, and how this ficticious accusation came to pass.

So if you're one of those people laughing at it, you're really just laughing at your own stupidity.

No, you're right. He didn't SAY EXACTLY that. But he did say that legislation he'd worked on played a major role in developing the internet. Which WASN'T true. ARPAnet had existed, and was growing, long before he showed up. AND he and Clinton campaigned on the concept of BUILDING THE INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY, but when questioned about the internet (which was in existence already as they campaigned), fumbled on the answers for more gov't funding for something that already existed. THEN, when the internet developed past its roots ABOVE AND BEYOND the initial government help (that predated Clinton/Gore), they took the credit.

Nice. Typical political BS.
 
2006-07-30 10:21:08 PM
TheMikey
Tipper = MILF

Maybe a few years ago...but I don't know how well she's held up.

However, I wouldn't mind a Gore daughters vs. Bush twins jello wrestling match, mind you...
 
2006-07-30 10:23:07 PM
the_gospel_of_thomas: Did someone say charts and graphs.

Perot???? Is that you???
 
2006-07-30 10:24:19 PM
Gore is such a two-faced SOB. The thing I remember about his campaign was his marvelous ability to change his speech. In Boston, he "pahked da cah." In Alabama, he talked like he had a mouthful of marbles, drawl as thick as corn pone and chittlin's. In NYC, fast and furious. In the Mid-west, slow and easy, mild drawl. California, perfect Cali-speak. If he went to a bar mitzvah, he probably went and got circumcised first. All of which told me that you couldn't trust a word that came out of the guy's mouth.

And now he's whining about the money we borrow from the Chinese? This is the guy that took a mega-donation from the Chinese Commies! Then lied about it, as Dems are wont to do.
 
2006-07-30 10:25:14 PM
Everyone who is against Gore, and to the same extent Hillary because "We need some new blood," I am just wondering about your reasoning.

In those two, we have two out of three parts of the best presidential administration in recent history. Remember how nice things were back in the 90's?

Why would you throw away that knowledge? Hell, I'm more afraid that if we don't go with one of the two in 2008, by 2012 people will be begging them to run. Not to mention they know how to deal with a hostile House and Senate...

I would be much happier voting for Gore, and whoever (if one of the two) gets elected will spend their term just fixing what Bush and Co. broke, but as far as I'm concerned if they run, it would be foolish to vote for anyone else.

Unless you want to see another Jimmy Carter...
 
2006-07-30 10:26:20 PM
Robyn Blumner, hmmm...
Never trust a woman:
- with horse teeth
- who respells a common name by replacing an "i" with a "y"
- who masturbates to Al Gore

/Yes, I'm mean./
//No, I don't care.//
///O.k. honestly, I'm projecting my low self-esteem.///
 
2006-07-30 10:27:11 PM
I'd vote for Howard Dean. At least it'd make for some great television.
 
2006-07-30 10:29:19 PM
MindStalker: the_gospel_of_thomas: Did someone say charts and graphs.

What the Fark are you talking about????
 
2006-07-30 10:29:21 PM
I don't want to defend Gore, rodeodoc, but a lot of people tend to take on the accents around them. I do it sometimes, and I'm always embarrassed by it when I come home still doing it.

Can't help it, though.
 
2006-07-30 10:29:50 PM
www.bongonews.com
 
2006-07-30 10:31:12 PM
Al Gore was the second most powerful man in the world for 8 years, and what did he do during that time to fix what he talks about in this movie?
 
2006-07-30 10:33:26 PM
Since the 2000 election was the closest in all history, and will always be debated, it only seems fair to historians that we give Gore a crack at the Presidency.

Then we can have a chance to see how both fare.
 
2006-07-30 10:33:59 PM
The VP has never been the second most powerfull man in the world, any more than POTUS is still the leader of the free world.
 
2006-07-30 10:34:01 PM
You know, as someone who considers himself very slightly left of center (I know my opinions are correct because all my left wing friends consider me a fascist and all my right wing friends consider me a communist), allow me to offer just a little advice to those further to my left, be they genuine liberals or what passes for one nowadays:

A year or two ago I was travelling with a friend of mine and the subject turned to politics. I facetiously asked him "Why do you hate America?" (remember that little bit of Republican sound-biting?) and he began very seriously to tell me exactly why he did hate America. WRONG! Whether or not you hate America, never admit it! The Republicans hate America--at least they hate the part of America that can't afford the annual fees to the country club. But do you ever hear them say "I think we should build a big wall around all the inner cities and fill them with 30 feet of water"? Well maybe occasionally but always after one too many martoonis and they regret it in the morning. Keep your opinions to yourself and avoid the word "capitalist." The average American voter doesn't want to hear it.

Get a haircut. I once saw a roomful of Nader supporters blanche when Ralphie-boy himself told them that in order to be taken seriously they had to lose the nose rings and wear a suit. 50-year-old guys with ponytails do not get the respect of the American electorate.

Eschew conspiracy theories. A terrible crime was committed on September 11, 2001 and trying to pin it on the neoconservatives just makes you look like a heartless ass. Besides which, now you're descending to their level. Do you really want to copy a page from the Ann Coulter rule book?

Get real. Sure we'd all love to wave a magic wand and make the world a better place, but come up with some practical suggestions, not just passing a law to outlaw greed or legislating mandatory compost heaps on apartment rooftops. If you can't come up with some practical ways to achieve your goals that don't gut the economy or undermine people's traditional rights, you don't deserve to be in power anyway.

Be noncomittal. Certain issues, like gun control, are beyond your powers to change. You might as well come out in favor of gun ownership because we're never going to be rid of it and you're just shooting yourself in the foot (heh heh) by opposing it. There are a number of unimportant non-issues (like gay marriage) that the Republicans would like to make central to the campaign. Say something like "I would be extremely hesitant to amend the Constitution on a trivial issue like this; the central government has far too much power as it is. The individual states should decide." Gays only make up 5% to 10% of the population and you've got their vote anyway. Woman make up 50% of the population, so on more important topics like abortion, use civic-sounding phrases like "individual conscience" to dance around the issue.

Abandon your principles. As I said before, there are certain hot button issues that will keep you out of the top three in Iowa. Given the fact that Massachusetts is all sewn up, come out against flag-burning and for the Border Patrol if you want to make waves in the Red states. On the other hand, feel free to lambaste the current Administration for its many failings. The Democrats were way too polite in the last election (not a problem for the Republicans, apparently). They're going to fight dirty. Come out on the attack, not the defense.

That is all. Richardson in 2008!
 
2006-07-30 10:36:41 PM
50 years from now I believe Bush will go down in history as having done the right thing. Just by service members I know personally, they are all very positive about their experiences in the middle east. They believe they are accomplishing something and doing the right thing. The majority of the Iraqi people *want* us there. Both they and our own soldiers feel betrayed by the media's apparent goal to make it seem as bad as possible at all costs and never give the good news. It saddens me that most of our major media outlets are betraying our own soldiers for their political goals.

/Oh, and I've seen the National Patroleum Reserve in the ANWR If you think drilling in the NPR will harm wildlife you either havn't seen what it's really like or you're lying. People go up there all the time into the areas of the ANWR that aren't part of the National Patroleum Reserve to take pictures to show making people think that those areas (where the mountains, hill, trickling streams etc are) are the ones where the drilling is proposed. The real reserve area is flat nothingness.

//Pilot in Alaska
 
2006-07-30 10:37:17 PM
What needs to happen is for the Republicans to ignore the screech of impatient liberals and continue the course.

They need to find someone to run along the same line as the Bush administration, or take the big step to get Jeb Bush in the White House.

Bottom line is we can't afford to have eight years of policy reversed by some cock-eyed Democrat trying to get elected.
 
2006-07-30 10:38:27 PM
Bartlet for America!
 
2006-07-30 10:40:38 PM
Rodeodoc: If [Gore] went to a bar mitzvah, he probably went and got circumcised first.

Actually, for those he had Lieberman get re-circumcised. You should've seen the expression on the mohel's face after the tenth one.
 
2006-07-30 10:41:14 PM
Gore has the intellectual heft of half a twinkie in a leaking ziploc bag. The only reason it ever appeared that he had any integrity at all was that he was standing next to Clinton. Why does the left assume he's so smart when his GPA was a good bit lower than GW Bush's and he dropped out of his post grad work in theology while Georgie boy got an MBA from Harvard? Does he also seem a bit disingenous when he says the internal combustion engine is the greatest threat to civilization ever and then he goes nowhere unless it's by private jet or a convoy of over-sized SUV's. And by nowhere I mean he can't walk a block; he fires up the whole convoy to go that distance. And wasn/t MILF Tipper the one that first came up with idea of censoring CDs, videos and the like? Sign me up for that crap.
 
2006-07-30 10:41:29 PM
2006-07-30 08:16:50 PM technicolor-misfit [TotalFark]

Oh, and anybody who says "both parties are the same... It doesn't matter who you vote for" is either

a.) a lazy-ass who'd prefer to spout off nonsense to sound hip and cynical rather than go to the trouble of learning and thinking.

or

b.) a Bushbot who doesn't want to admit what a farking disaster that guy's been... "Doesn't matter who I vote(d) for, they're all the same."

or finally,

c.) a variation on 'b,' a dittohead who will vote republican no matter what... The republican nominee could fark his wife and kill his kids, and he'd tell himself he may as well still vote for the guy because the Dem would have done it too and at least voting republican doesn't make him feel all "faggy."


That's a pretty broad brush you're painting everyone with. I personally believe that the only difference between Republicans and Democrats is that they're owned (in the financial sense, through massive campaign donations) by slightly different groups. They agree to disagree on "moral" issues, like gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research, and the like.

That said, I agreed with Perot in 1992 and Clinton in 1996. In 2000 and 2004, neither of the main candidates interested me (though if I had to choose one of them it would have been the Democrat in both cases), so I voted Libertarian. No matter how you want to try and spin it, there are people on all sides politically who are disgusted with the current political process.

For example, Charles Barkley (about 2/3 of the way through the link), who says he is considering running for governor of Alabama in 2014 (as a Democrat). Whether you think he's credible is irrelevant. He's one of an increasingly vocal group of people tired of all the political bullshiat. "You know, Jason, America is full of dummies. You know, it's interesting, you've got all these guys who've got these talk shows, their job is to confuse the poor people. Rich people don't care who's the president, who's the governor, who's the mayor, but poor people, what they try to do is put these talking heads on television who are already rich, and they sit there, two rich guys, one's a Democrat and one's a Republican, one's a Liberal and one's a Conservative, and they argue for an hour. And at the end of the show, they shake hands and say "We're both rich, we confused the people at home, they're going to argue about stuff that's not important. We just got to get 'em to vote for us", and that's the way politics works. They never talk about anything significant in America anymore. They just want you to argue and fight, and I'm not going to do that. I'm going to say "Hey, we support the troops in Iraq, that's unfortunate. I don't care if gay people want to get married, that's none of my business. We've got to find a way to work with the immigrants, instead of acting like we're going to toss them out of the country, but let's get back to more important stuff. How can we make the schools in this country better, first and foremost, and how can we make our neighborhoods safer? They want you to argue about stuff that's not important."

In fact, now that I think about it, Barkley for President in 2008.
 
2006-07-30 10:42:00 PM
bottom line is we need to have eight years of fark ups fixed, or at least not compounded.

Jeb Bush!?! Are you mad? Haven't the bushes already shown what they're capable of?
 
2006-07-30 10:42:22 PM
stonent
Since you didn't read above, I challenge you to name the duties of the vice president.

vertigo32
In those two, we have two out of three parts of the best presidential administration in recent history. Remember how nice things were back in the 90's?

I'm a Democrat. I'm not all that in line with the party (I'm more pro-gun, pro-globalism, etc, but also too pro-government investment in infrastructure to be libertarian,) but I'll tell you what I have against Hillary: Much like Joe Lieberman (and to a less relevant extent, Tipper Gore,) she's not afraid to pander to social conservatives one some ridiculous moral bogeyman issues in order to whip up support. I'm not willing to take the risk of voting her in on the hopes that it's just pandering and that this retrograde stone age censorship nonsense is just an act to get votes.

If you want to make compromises, there are plenty of arenas to do it in from taxes to energy policy to trade and subsidies and so on. Sometimes those compromises are even for the better. But I refuse to vote for anybody who's going to back down (or even join the other side!) in social conservatives' war on modernity.
 
2006-07-30 10:42:34 PM
The St Pete Times - AKA Pravda West. They are as a far left newspaper as I have seen in a long time. The paper is so slanted that it stays dry in the rain because the water runs off before it can soak in.
 
2006-07-30 10:43:50 PM
Baradium: 50 years from now I believe Bush will go down in history as having done the right thing. Just by service members I know personally, they are all very positive about their experiences in the middle east. They believe they are accomplishing something and doing the right thing. The majority of the Iraqi people *want* us there.

Will this be durring or after the current civil war in that country.

Bring it on! Remember when Bush said that. What a farktard
 
2006-07-30 10:44:21 PM
Given the opportunity I will vote for Gore.
 
2006-07-30 10:44:54 PM
stonent: Al Gore was the second most powerful man in the world for 8 years, and what did he do during that time to fix what he talks about in this movie?

Six years is plenty of time to reevaluate one's priorities. Stop trying to play off that little fallacy.
 
2006-07-30 10:44:56 PM
clambam

So in summary...LIE...

/figured someone should summarize that long rant...
 
2006-07-30 10:46:00 PM
Baradium

50 years from now I believe Bush will go down in history as having done the right thing.

No he won't. Not anymore than Hitler did. Yeah, that's right, I godwined it. It's inevitable in any discussion about our totalitarian president.

Just by service members I know personally, they are all very positive about their experiences in the middle east.

Anecdotal opinions != sound policy.

Both they and our own soldiers feel betrayed by the media's apparent goal to make it seem as bad as possible at all costs and never give the good news. It saddens me that most of our major media outlets are betraying our own soldiers for their political goals.

Uh huh. Sure.

members.cox.net
 
2006-07-30 10:46:25 PM
Mr. Right: Does he also seem a bit disingenous when he says the internal combustion engine is the greatest threat to civilization ever and then he goes nowhere unless it's by private jet or a convoy of over-sized SUV's. And by nowhere I mean he can't walk a block; he fires up the whole convoy to go that distance

Show me one place, anywhere, where Al Gore has argued in favor of discontinuing use of the internal combustion engine.

Yes, it is a threat. The foolish person is the one who can't recognize it; it doesn't mean that you become Amish and live in the hills.

This thread certainly illustrates that the United States gets the intellectual leaders it deserves.
 
2006-07-30 10:46:35 PM
The thing that I find sadly amusing about all this is that the 'true believers' on the Bush side see the end of the earth as a quick trip to heaven.
Those on Gore's side see it as the earth ending.

For me, I see it as blackness, no life, no redemption, just blackness and silence. No heaven, no hell. Fix the problem now or all are damned.

Again, for those who blinked when I said this (those who believe in a higher being)

Fix the problem, disavow the anti-christ (Bush and his minions) or be damned to Ayche-E-Double Toothpicks for all eternity.

You have no other choice. Figure it out or make a mistake that could very well cost you your immortal soul.

This is not a laughing matter.

Refer to your Holy Bible, especially the part about 'stewards of the earth' and disavow the false prophets such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and their ilk. They only seek to mislead you and fleece your pocketbooks for their own gain against your own.
 
2006-07-30 10:47:24 PM
Baradium: 50 years from now I believe Bush will go down in history as having done the right thing.

*Cough*

Bullsh*t.

. Just by service members I know personally, they are all very positive about their experiences in the middle east

One or two people you might know doesn't speak for the rest, and whether you buy into it or not, there's real doubt alongside the good soldiers who don't complain.

The majority of the Iraqi people *want* us there

Source? The truth is that the Iraqi government has been pressuring the US for a timeline to get us out of there.

It saddens me that most of our major media outlets are betraying our own soldiers for their political goals.

Right. Name some specific examples. You're speculating.

If you think drilling in the NPR will harm wildlife you either havn't seen what it's really like or you're lying

Sure. All the information about ANWR is lies. Why the article I read in National Geographic is full of lies.

eople go up there all the time into the areas of the ANWR that aren't part of the National Patroleum Reserve to take pictures to show making people think that those areas

Source? Specific examples? How about Googling us some pictures that catch those liberal treehuggers red-handed?

The real reserve area is flat nothingness.

Drilling up there offers up a host of environmental disasters, not to mention the crap we've left up there to rot and leach into the soil, the possible oil spills, loss of habitiat for caribou and other wintering/summering species, just to name a few examples.

//Pilot in Alaska

Really? Then you should know better. Or do you avoid listening to that liberal hippie tree-hugger bullsh*t altogether?
 
2006-07-30 10:48:00 PM
Al Gore isn't Bush, but is that really a good enough reason to vote for him? It seems that in a nation of 300 million we could find better candidates than Bush (who disappointed me), Kerry (who disgusts me) and Gore (who frightens me with that nasty authoritarian streak that he doesn't always successfully hide). Don't even start talking about Hillary and McCain.
 
2006-07-30 10:48:04 PM
/amused at the thought of Secret Service agents and Al Gore travelling the country by bicycle to appease Mr. Right
 
2006-07-30 10:48:45 PM
Fascinating how the Dems and Republicans have switched sides as to who's really conservative and who's beholden to pork.
 
2006-07-30 10:50:14 PM
NitneLiun: Al Gore isn't Bush, but is that really a good enough reason to vote for him?

None of the Above. No Lieberman, Dean, Gore, Jeb, Hillary, McCain...ET AL.

A whole completely new crop of candidates, and if they end up sucking, plow through them.

Politicians are like bloodsucking vampires skulking in the shadows.
 
2006-07-30 10:58:08 PM
KingGeorgeC: How can you not vote for someone who invented the Internet.

Well, as much as people love to rag on him for his "I invented the internet" statement, he did take some initiative in pushing the political process that led to the internet we have today. Also, his actual comment was, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet," not, "I invented the Internet."

It's a poor choice of words and more than a bit of a reach, but it's not claiming technological innovation.
 
2006-07-30 10:59:05 PM
We're ready for an adult

We are?

Let's look back at the last six years of the McCain administration.

Tell me again about how Paul Tsongas propelled himself to the presidency by telling Bill Clinton he was a shallow, pandering horndog.
 
2006-07-30 11:04:36 PM
Ha, the Al Gore South Park is on Comedy Central right now.
 
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