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2006-07-30 09:35:56 PM  
mishmashmusic
All that may be true --- so why didn't he shout it from the rooftops back then?

Perhaps because he was in a position to try to do something about it first hand, such as pushing for the Kyoto Treaty, helping Clinton shape policy, starting that whole thing to educate children on the environment...

Some politicians actually work at things, instead of just going on TV and saying "we've prevented terrorist attacks...we just can't tell you which ones".


Politicians do things for a reason, and it's usually not for the reason they give.

Oh belive me, that's a lesson I've learned quite well in the past 6 years or so.
 
2006-07-30 09:36:18 PM  
Don't thank me Gosling. Thank our capitolistic elders who raped the world of it's resources and left you with nothing but money and a ash of a planet.

A: You are 15 years my elder.
B: What money?
 
2006-07-30 09:37:12 PM  
In a March 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

I get so tired of this same old crap over and over again. No mater how many times the truth is explained there are many who continue to repeat the lie that Al Gore claimed to invent the internet.

It is obvious to anyone who as seen or read the complete interview, and Gore's other statements on the subject, that what Al Gore was saying was that, as a congressmen, he sponsored legislation, that financed the research project, that created the internet.

Granted the above quote could have been worded better. If you take the quote completely out of context and read it with the preconceived notion that Gore is claiming he invented the internet, than you can almost read that into it.

Of course you would have to ignore Gore's later clarification of what he meant. But then if you really want to believe something than you ignore facts that say otherwise.

The only people who continue to repeat the line that Gore said he invented the internet are people with political axes to grind. Paradoxically these are usually the same people who insist that Bush was honest about his reasons for invading Iraq.
 
2006-07-30 09:37:14 PM  
SpongBub Where did that "serial" SP gag come from? Did he actually say that at some point?

The story from the Wikipedia article is that Al Gore was on the Oprah show, and she asked him what his favorite cereal was, and he replied "Oprah" thinking she meant "serial." The joke is a bit of a stretch.

It wasn't a great episode, but it was still entertaining. I'd wager South Park is still one of the funniest cartoons on TV, but I couldn't say since I don't watch TV.

As for the message, I don't think there really is one. They've bashed right-wingers for their global warming beliefs before. In an interview I'm pretty sure they said nobody should take them seriously- that these are complex issues and they're just cartoonists making jokes.

I can't seem to find the quote, but it was probably a clip from a late-night show I saw on YouTube. The closest I could find is Trey Parker saying "dude, we don't know fark-all about Middle East peace policy."

/South Park apologist
 
2006-07-30 09:38:58 PM  
Al Gore never said he invented the internet, he said he introduced pro-technology legislation which helped make the internet what it is today. If you check his record in the Senate, he did. He introduced more bills to promote high tech and the expansion of the internet than any other congressman.

After he said that though, the right wing pundits twisted it around and the Carl Rove character assasination machine ran with it. It was just like this article said.
 
2006-07-30 09:39:07 PM  
alidade, you do realize that you don't just wave a magic wand to conjure up materiel and a fighting force? It takes years in the pipeline for weapons systems to become a reality. Bush has been fighting his war with the armed forces bequeathed to him by the eight years of the Clinton administration. How can you call the Democrats soft on defense when it was the Clinton military legacy that enabled us to invade Afghanistan and Iraq in the first place?
 
2006-07-30 09:39:54 PM  
blameclinton4911

And how would that democrat president fight terrorism? By negotiating?

Question- by 'terrorism' and 'negotiating' what do you mean? Are you referring to all the so-called 'terrorists' that are fighting us in Iraq and possibly negotiating with them? Aree you talking about future terrorist attacks on US soil? Negotiating with Bin Laden maybe? Because frankly none of those terrorists are available for 'negotiation' which, and this will boggle you, is a two way street. Meaning both parties have to be up for it, and no one has offered that to us in recent memory.

I think for a lot of you righties, 'negotiation' simply means a way to peace- and I know you don't want that. Peace makes you weak. War is strength. Right?

What you are implying is that a Democrat would back down to a terrorist. That's a right wing lie. And frankly, Bush got in over his head because he did not know when diplomacy was the better part of valor. War is your solution for everything. That's why anyone who even has an inkling that peace is a good idea, then voting for Democrats is the only way. Because otherwise you can get ready for years of continued war and failed foreign policy at the hands of unchecked Republican power. Electing Democrats will restore balance, if nothing else.
 
2006-07-30 09:41:15 PM  
Glassfish

Nice try. Once you learn to spell and actually use the English language I would be glad to joust with you. You are outmatched.

"Piers" hold up bridges dumbass (from an earlier post), and the world that you bolded in your last post should have been "except". Did you do well on the TOEFL test?

And the line that you misquoted that I posted regarding local climate is this:

Man is not capable of changing the climate. Local pollution and local environmental disaters?, oh hell yeah.

You can back to your bong now.
 
2006-07-30 09:43:35 PM  
alidade
Nice try. Once you learn to spell and actually use the English language I would be glad to joust with you. You are outmatched.

"Piers" hold up bridges dumbass (from an earlier post), and the world that you bolded in your last post should have been "except". Did you do well on the TOEFL test?

And the line that you misquoted that I posted regarding local climate is this:

Man is not capable of changing the climate. Local pollution and local environmental disaters?, oh hell yeah.

You can back to your bong now.


Wait, that's your idea of better use of the english language?
 
2006-07-30 09:43:39 PM  
clambam

How can you call the Democrats soft on defense when it was the Clinton military legacy that enabled us to invade Afghanistan and Iraq in the first place?

Still, none of the Dems in power currently would fit the bill.
 
2006-07-30 09:43:41 PM  
technicolor-misfit: I think everyone is referring to the mentality that pervades the current administration...

Contrary to what anyone may think, Bush (or whoever's running the show)is not a conservative... When I refer to "Bush and his like-minded cronies" I mean another candidate cut from the same cloth.

I can vote Republican... Hell, I used to be pretty much right on the damn fence... when the Republican party more or less adhered to the "Goldwater conservative" model.

I only "became" a "lefty" when the republican party dragged the whole damn country so far right. In fact, I still consider myself a moderate...

I'm pro-choice... but don't like it.

I'm pro-guns... but also pro-sensible regulations...(registration and locks)

I'm pro gay marriage because I don't see what damn business it is of mine.

I'm concerned about the environment, but not an "off-the-deep-end" tree-hugger who's willing to ignore practical realities.

I firmly believe in capitalism... but not to the libertarian laissez faire extremes. I believe just as we enact NECESSARY laws to keep people on the straight and narrow, some regulation of business is also NECESSARY.

I believe in welfare reform, but not the wholesale abandonment of any and all social aid programs.

I believe something has to be done about healthcare... and I think "get a job with insurance, dumbass" is not a sufficient answer to the problem.

I think "globablization" is something that needs to be explored tentatively and cautiously... (not, as we seem to be doing currently, in which companies jump in with both feet to reap rewards from off-shoring and outsourcing and the population in general gets hosed while simultaneously being told that they can't reap any of the rewards like buying cheaper pharmaceuticals from Canada.)


I would like to buy you a beer sir.

Unfortunately, most of the sheep can't grasp simple logic like this. Too bad for them, I suppose blind-faith is becoming more and more a way of life anymore. Sad really.

/completely agrees with technicolor-misfit
//hates slashies
 
2006-07-30 09:44:43 PM  
Most comments here range from dumb to okay, but TECHNICOLOR-
MISFIT makes more sense than anyone else.

As for Gore running again, it's pretty certain he won't run again. I like Gore, even though he has faults like all politicians. So why all this speculation? I think it is wasted breath.I wouldn't mind seeing a good woman run but agree Hillary would be a lousy choice. But then, who do Democrats have who would be any good? Darned if I know.
 
2006-07-30 09:45:12 PM  
Oh please, not even a Democrat will vote for Al Gore, even his nominees do not get voted in.....
 
2006-07-30 09:45:28 PM  
Wait, that's your idea of better use of the english language?

It's all relative here in Farkistan.
 
2006-07-30 09:45:31 PM  
There's no place for a moderate anymore. It's all nitwits in office far to the right, and nitwits in office far to the left...
 
2006-07-30 09:45:41 PM  
It's time we add to Godwin's law. I propose the Fark corrolary:

"All posts that say 'libs' in unironic reference to liberals are null and void. We'll throw in any manglings of the word 'Republican,' too."

(That second part is really just appeasement for the "both sides are equally bad" wackos who otherwise refuse to admit that this entire administration has been an embrassment and disaster. Let's face it, without "libs," half of Fark no longer has an argument.)

/not left wing, just calls 'em like I sees 'em
 
2006-07-30 09:46:09 PM  
It doesn't matter *who* the Dems put up in the next election. The only things that will make their party matter at all are two things:

1) Come up with a message other than "Bush sux" or "The War is bad!" Perhaps a return to the "it's the economy, stupid" P.O.V? Marshal every statistic and use those like cudgels during any debate. Use stories of real people damaged by Bush's policies. Focus on the alienation of the entire world during this presidency. Emphasize the insanity of letting China be our loanshark and the rate of outsourcing the past six years. Put particular emphasis on the fact that Republicans have been given a blank check and haven't made us any safer.

2) Find a Karl Rove of their own. James Carville fits the bill, I think. The guy is a pitbull and smart as hell. He's why Clinton made a successful dark horse run. If I am the Democratic frontrunner for the nomination, Carville is my first hire.

As for Gore, I think that ship's sailed. Again, if I was a Dem frontrunner, I would get him a position in the cabinet. I think he might make a good Secretary of State, where his methodical manner would work to smooth over any bumps.
 
2006-07-30 09:46:37 PM  
alidade
It's all relative here in Farkistan.

Nah, it's pretty much an absolute. Don't screw up the language in a post where you're deriding someone for screwing up the language :D
 
2006-07-30 09:47:48 PM  
alidade, what Democrats in power? The ones who control the executive branch, or the ones who control the House and Senate, or the liberal majority on the Supreme Court appointed by Democratic administrations?

Sheesh.
 
2006-07-30 09:48:28 PM  
essucht

"A well regulated Militia" > "the people"

Just FYI...
 
2006-07-30 09:48:35 PM  
Mark Warner seems a really good Candiate, but he's just too close to the right for my tastes. He doesn't work to stop the big corperations from infeltrating goverment further, he has worked against "internet Pornography" (saying he has young girls and doesn't like them near it. Blah, same BS as Leiberman), and hasn't put anything on the record as to securing Social Security. I also want a clear statement on his opinions on the Iraq situation, and I really want to know if he'll sell the farm to buy the magic beans if REpublicans have one or both houses of congress. I'd rather a republican be in the white house then have a fence-sitter.

But he DOES seem like a nice guy, and I'd segnifigantly hope none of my fears of him being too-far-right are true.

/really is sick of "Southern Governors" being an answer to politicals woes though.
//you guys hate Clinton. We hate Bush. Both are southern governors. Noticing a pattern?
 
2006-07-30 09:49:00 PM  
Kell Hound
2) Find a Karl Rove of their own. James Carville fits the bill, I think. The guy is a pitbull and smart as hell.

During the Kerry campaign, I heard some rumblings about them hiring Carville. I figured they could finally get someone who could keep him on topic, score some points. Then, I heard something about the head of Kerry's campaign pushing Carville to the edge, not letting him in on meeting. I just had to shake my head.
 
2006-07-30 09:49:35 PM  
alidade
Man is not capable of changing the climate.

Keep digging that hole, Republitard. You're getting funnier and funnier.

I do not want to get along with the Islamist jihadis. I want someone in leadership who will take the fight to these fanatical murderers and eradicate them from the earth.

See what I mean? Hilarious! ...if, and only if, genocide is funny. Were you a writer for Hogan's Heroes?
img129.imageshack.us
 
2006-07-30 09:49:52 PM  
Don't thank me Gosling. Thank our capitolistic elders who raped the world of it's resources and left you with nothing but money and a ash of a planet.

A: You are 15 years my elder.
B: What money?

A. Yes, and I've just watch the demise of our planet like a deer in headlights. No matter how much I cared or tryed to resist. In reality, it really was far too late by the time I was even born.
B. Ask the 1% of the population that has 80% of the wealth that question because I don't have any money either. I will die broke and I could care less.


I've visited 40 countries sence I was your age and truely, the USA is a very priviliged culture far surpassing most of the earth in oppertunity and wealth. It's hard to see that if you never leave your society. Still, although we are the most able to help the problem, we can't do a damn thing about what's to come. Money can't fix it.
 
2006-07-30 09:51:00 PM  
pvd021:

Your speech was amusing. Almost word for word what was said about Johnson in '67. Cease fire, pull out, oil, global relations: Nixon said all that too. Got himself elected, then it took six years to leave Vietnam. Oil prices took on new meanings (for those days). The only thing he was really good at was appeasing the Chinese.
But then that little watergate thing happened. Even after re-inventing himself just like the author of this article says Gore has.
 
2006-07-30 09:53:36 PM  
We elected him President once, and I'd do it again.

Amen. Now if my vote would matter with me living in a sorry-ass red state.....

/ditch the electoral college
//please
///even the slashies say so
 
2006-07-30 09:54:18 PM  
Al Gore has grown tremendously since 2000. He understands the issues that the average citizen goes through, and he actually knows global warming is a real threat (much more so then the terrorist theme Republicans have been clinging to for the last 6 years).

We need a president in '08 that understands what the real issues are, and isn't afraid to fix them.
 
2006-07-30 09:55:41 PM  
alidale

Oops! My bad on the peers thing, but you really aren't defending yourself.

Are you going to refute anything that I said? Until you do, I don't have to outmatch you.

I'll continue.

And until man can come up with forces that impact the atmosphere in ways greater than that of the sun, man will be of inconsequential impact on the climate.

The sun is certainly the largest element in the climate picture, but not the only one. Do you understand how greenhouse gasses work? A gas (CO2 or H2O) acts to trap heat in the atmosphere, preventing heat that would normally escape into space from doing so.

These components of our atmosphere are directly under the control of man. Greenhouse gasses come from every appliance I use in my home, the car I drive, the servers I post messages on (by way of the power grid). Now, there are sinks for CO2 (limestone, the ocean, autotrophic biomass) yet these sinks haven't been able to consume the extra carbon dioxide we have expelled into the atmosphere. CO2 levels, measured in PPM, have been rising for most of this century. Draw your own conclusions.
 
2006-07-30 09:55:41 PM  
IamAwake

He's against lots of things I am for, and is NUTS beyond me for other things, and is the stereotypical hypocrit on stuff like the enviroment - how many large jets did he fly, over and over, to go to enviromental summits? why didn't he just do netmeeting on the internet he invented? Why the bloody hell did he need to take multiple large jets there multiple freakin times? In doing so he used more oil than I will in a lifetime of driving.


Uh. Gore is doing something about the use of jets to get to places where taking a jet is pretty much the way to get there. They are buying offset credits in green energy to balance the bad of jet useage.
http://www.csrwire.com/PressReleasePrint.php?id=5879

Nice try.
 
2006-07-30 09:55:41 PM  
images16.fotki.com

Adult.... Riiiiiiight.
 
2006-07-30 09:56:26 PM  
Anything...just not Hillary. Hell, let me vote for Bill again. He was at least fun to watch on TV, and not just because you thought he'd choke on another pretzel...
 
2006-07-30 09:58:04 PM  
And remember, as his movie demonstrated, he's the only hope for the environment... Even though he didn't do shiat for the environment from 1992-2000.

Here's hoping for fresh blood in 2008 and someone who isn't constantly trying to deify himself the way Gore is.
 
2006-07-30 10:00:37 PM  
Kell Hound: As for Gore, I think that ship's sailed. Again, if I was a Dem frontrunner, I would get him a position in the cabinet. I think he might make a good Secretary of State, where his methodical manner would work to smooth over any bumps.

More like HUD, or education. I don't think AG will do very well as Sec of state hammer.
 
2006-07-30 10:01:06 PM  
OnlyM3, I see your seal...

members.cox.net

and I raise you one,

members.cox.net
 
2006-07-30 10:01:14 PM  
IXI Jim IXI

Nah, it's pretty much an absolute. Don't screw up the language in a post where you're deriding someone for screwing up the language :D

It's not like I was writing an essay. Screwing up the language would be what precisely? Sloppy punctuation, use of slang? Oh no not sentence fragmments! At least I understand the word meanings.
 
2006-07-30 10:01:35 PM  
nmviewpoint.typepad.com

Somebody had to do it.
 
2006-07-30 10:01:37 PM  
Oh yeah, and I know your young, but I am 18 years your elder.
Just a bit of math for ya....lol
 
2006-07-30 10:02:10 PM  
Jim -

Great minds think alike. Ya beat me to it.
 
2006-07-30 10:02:14 PM  
So many people claimed Bush was better in 2000 because he was plain spoken and they considered him more macho that Gore.
After seeing Gore once freed from his election handlers he seems like a decent guy and not the stiff they presented him as.

We do need a freaking adult in the White House. We would be in a far better situation had Gore been in office than the mess Chimpy has created. Gore could also probably navigate the presidency without trying to give a world leader an unwanted neck rub, talking with his mouth full at a world summit and could probably find the door when leaving a press conference.
I hope Gore and Clark run in '08. I don't know anyone who wants Clinton to run.
 
2006-07-30 10:02:20 PM  
Or maw away on biscuits like an Ethopian who hasn't eaten in a week...

/classy face of America
 
2006-07-30 10:03:56 PM  
rcantley

Are you sure you understand what the job description of the vice president is? It might help explain why Gore didn't do a lot of writing legislation, signing it into law and enforcing it.
 
2006-07-30 10:05:36 PM  
moltov: Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internets, someone posted a story on here a while ago about exactly that, and how this ficticious accusation came to pass.

So if you're one of those people laughing at it, you're really just laughing at your own stupidity.


Yeah, and Bush never said "mission accomplished" but he never hears the end of that one, does he?
 
2006-07-30 10:06:34 PM  
alidade
It's not like I was writing an essay. Screwing up the language would be what precisely? Sloppy punctuation, use of slang? Oh no not sentence fragmments! At least I understand the word meanings.

Ok...you asked...


"Piers" hold up bridges dumbass (from an earlier post), and the world that you bolded in your last post should have been "except". Did you do well on the TOEFL test?


He bolded the entire world, did he? Is that better than global warming?


You can back to your bong now.

There's supposed to be a verb in there, right?

/People living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
//...and probably should get dressed in the basement
 
2006-07-30 10:07:09 PM  
Bitterman

Get out of my mind. It's scary in there :D
 
2006-07-30 10:09:21 PM  
inkdrinker
Are you sure you understand what the job description of the vice president is? It might help explain why Gore didn't do a lot of writing legislation, signing it into law and enforcing it.

I always thought the vice president's duties were:

1: break ties in the Senate
2: kiss the ugly babies that the President passes on
3: Anxiously wait for the President to take a bullet
 
2006-07-30 10:09:45 PM  
An "Obvious" tag ??

Submitter is a Farking retarded moran..lol
 
2006-07-30 10:10:49 PM  
How about we DONT VOTE for R or D? huh? what? maybe that'll send a message.
 
2006-07-30 10:10:51 PM  
And ixi jim ixi wins the round. Tell him what he's won, Bob!
 
2006-07-30 10:11:39 PM  
Biggie Thang
Submitter is a Farking retarded moran..lol

I think the "obvious" was more directed at the chick's nose

/not that I'm one to talk, mind you
//schnozz for the win!
 
2006-07-30 10:11:45 PM  
Glassfish

Draw your own conclusions.

I have. They are different from yours. I understand the concept of greenhouse gasses. I also do not think that they are as big a factor as you do. How can you say that the sun is less of a factor than man's impact. The sun is in it's most active period since records have been kept, and that period is somewhat longer than the atmospheric data that has been collected. Both time periods are miniscule in scale to geological time. I am not suggesting that we pollute the atmosphere and cut down all the tres and dump toxic waste in the oceans. I am merely suggesting that the entirety of all of the sums of knowledge and data about the climatic changes that are occuring, are insufficient to definitively decide the cause.

ANd for the record... "Libs" and "Dems" are used by me cause I can't type for shiat (less keystrokes). You will notice the absence of "tard" suffixes, but I do like to say "dumbass" (Red's the MAN!)
 
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