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(MSNBC)   News: Deputies seize $120,000 from suspicious vehicle. Fark.com: Sheriff decides to seize the $120,000 for his own use, gets charged with felony theft. Bonus: The sheriff's bond was only $13,000   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 56
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2006-07-29 02:51:49 PM
It was them Dukes!
 
2006-07-29 02:55:38 PM
I thought for sure this was going to be Volusia County Florida

/Kings of the forfiture laws. "We may not be able to convict you of anything, but that money is guilty as hell"
 
2006-07-29 02:55:59 PM
Now every one please remeber that these are the same law enforcement types that in every county, in every state, are inundated constantly with the sweet sweet rewards that come from the seizure laws that are a result from the war on drugs. But remeber that we were all tought that we can trust the authorities.. I weep for the future. On the other hand maybe it was merely a campaign "donation" for his sherrif re-election campaign in the future. I, for one, do support creative fund raising.
 
2006-07-29 02:57:13 PM
Greed. That is all.
 
2006-07-29 02:59:19 PM
Bad Lieutenant.. err deputy.
 
2006-07-29 02:59:27 PM
Corrupt government officials? That's unpossible.
 
2006-07-29 03:00:10 PM
Did anyone catch the last line of the article? They seized $781,000 from someone, then didn't file any charges against them. Gotta love drug laws!
 
2006-07-29 03:00:44 PM
the car owner hasn't been charged but i'd bet he/she hasn't got their $781,000.00 back yet either.

i not only hate the "war on drugs" but the way it's carried out.
 
2006-07-29 03:01:05 PM
$20,000 fine!

Now don't do it again!
 
2006-07-29 03:10:03 PM
the war on drugs is one of a thousand very, very, big problems with this country.

anyway, i've met this guy. he's a real dick.
 
2006-07-29 03:14:54 PM
The $13K bond was the judge's way of saying "try a little harder next time."
 
2006-07-29 03:16:53 PM
A crooked cop? NFW!
 
2006-07-29 03:17:33 PM
Legalize it !
 
2006-07-29 03:19:47 PM
Bond is JUST to ensure appearance in court. No other reason. Low bond isn't an outrage at all. If he gets off with a slap on the wrist, THAT would be an outrage. Bail/bond, by law, is not an instrument of punishment. It's there to allow people to free themselves from overcrowded jails, and yet give them incentive not to skip. If it's set way to high to prevent any chance of making bond/bail, then it's self-defeating. A cop is likely a low flight risk anyway.
 
2006-07-29 03:21:54 PM
I'm sticking up for the car driver. Bet the cops never return his money.... HOW HE MADE THE MONEY IS IRRELEVANT!! These farking seizure laws are out of control.
 
2006-07-29 03:24:26 PM
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060625/NEWS01/606250 348/1001/SPORTS
Jesus Quinonez-Jimenez's first encounter with the Dallas County sheriff's department was bathed in flashing red lights as he drove along Interstate Highway 80 in March. His last came a short time later, after he denied ownership of the Illinois-registered 2000 Audi and more than $781,000 was found wrapped in plastic and hidden in secret compartments behind the car's rear wheels.

Quinonez, who gave deputies a California address, was allowed to leave - without the cash; without the car...

Quinonez signed waivers and disavowed ownership. The waivers, printed in English and Spanish, allow county authorities to treat the money as abandoned property and bypass the court process.

Instead of a formal hearing, Dallas County deputies simply buy newspaper advertisements that urge people to come forward within a month if they want to claim an unspecified amount of money seized on a particular date. The ads, printed in an Adel paper, have yet to generate a serious inquiry, Gilbert said.

Repeated attempts by reporters to contact Quinonez and his relatives were unsuccessful. The registered owner of the Audi, Uriel Ochog of Chicago, also could not be reached.


Cops couldn't prove a crime, but the driver knew they would come up with something if he gave them a hard time- let's face it, the guy was almost certainly transporting drug money, and in the unlikely case he wasn't the cops were certainly going to operate on that assumption. So the driver walked, the cops kept the cash without all the paperwork of a trial, and everybodys happy except for some drug dealer in Chicago. Should at least be done in front of a judge, though, and I wonder what the odds are that Mr. Ochog in Chicago was notified in a timely manner and given a chance to recover his property (unlikely as it is that he'd show). Everybody involved seems rather shady.
 
2006-07-29 03:24:51 PM
Curious: the car owner hasn't been charged but i'd bet he/she hasn't got their $781,000.00 back yet either.

They don't have to be charged. Thry can just take it. The burdon of proof is on you to prove it wasn't gotten illegitimately.

God Bless america.
 
2006-07-29 03:26:45 PM
No charges have been filed against the driver of the car that contained the cash.

So the Sheriff's $120,000 is twice stolen money.
 
2006-07-29 03:30:52 PM
Fifteen dollars little man.
Put that money in my hand.
If that money doesen't show
then you owe me owe me owe.
 
2006-07-29 03:40:50 PM
Two things:

1. If I was a cop, I would have taken a lot more than just one of the 27 packets of cash.

2. If you lose 781,000 of some drug dealer's money, the police are the LEAST of your problems
 
2006-07-29 03:44:54 PM
DarthLamont: Fifteen dollars little man.
Put that money in my hand.
If that money doesen't show
then you owe me owe me owe.


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2006-07-29 03:46:00 PM
Wait, why was the money taken by the police?
No charges filed but they can just take anyones money from them?
How does this happen in a "free" country?
What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

I love my country and where I live in it, but it might be time to move somewhere that IS actually free and the people have actual rights.
Holland perhaps?
 
2006-07-29 03:52:12 PM
Not News: Police seize $120,000 from suspicious vehicle. Also Not News: Sheriff keeps it for himself. News: He might get in trouble for it.

There is no greater band of degenerate criminals than the police force of any given American city. I'd sooner turn over law enforcement to the Mafia.
 
2006-07-29 03:52:20 PM
I mostly support you on that one Barbecue, but....
they can because there is no legitimate reason to have that much cash on you. You are free to contest the seizure, but your underlying crimes will come out (no, really judge, I needed the 750,000 in cash for...) and then its off to PMITA for a couple decades.
Holland isn't that great. If you want to just be able to do whatever you feel like and be in the 1st world, try Spain.
 
2006-07-29 03:54:35 PM
A better scheme would have been for the sheriff to have turned over all of the money, then skimmed off his share through 'consulting fees' charged by his brother-in-law, or inflated invoices for routine supplies, or even just chucked it into a widows-and-orphans fund, or a pension plan of some sort. If it's done slowly, say 6 months after the fact, no one would have noticed, or cared.

Assuming he doesn't turn up in a landfill, the next time that driver takes on a 'transport' job, he should check out the car for burned-out lights, etc., and get a radar detector.
 
2006-07-29 04:18:40 PM
UM HELLO? "7 WEEK VACATION" WTF!
 
2006-07-29 04:29:21 PM
Let me first state that IANAL, but do the police have the right to confiscate money from your person without ANY probable cause whatsoever? If the only probable cause is the amount of money in your possession, isn't that akin to guilty until proven innocent?

What crime is being committed if I happen to empty out my bank account, throw half a million into bags and go on a road trip?
 
2006-07-29 04:33:28 PM
DulceEtDecorumEst: they can because there is no legitimate reason to have that much cash on you.


Sorry, I didn't know I had to have a reason to have any amount of cash on me, other than "Because I damn well want to"
 
2006-07-29 04:35:11 PM
Glass. Parking. Lot.
 
2006-07-29 04:35:17 PM
aphexcoil3:

No crime, unless you cross int'l borders and dont declare it.
If seized, you would be free to contest the seizure of your money, and get your moment in front of a judge. And they would give it back to you once they realized you were just batshiat crazy. Then you would get a nice stay in a padded room.
Of course, you would also be the first person ever to do that.
To summarize, the reason this works is that there is no reason whatsoever to go around with hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash, unless you did something illegal and want to hide it.
 
2006-07-29 04:35:56 PM
aphexcoil3 If you remove any amount greater than $10,000, the bank is required by law to notify the government, and they are also required by law not to let you know they have notified the government. $500,000 would swiftly bring an investigator to come sniffing around.

Our country has not been "free" for some time.
 
2006-07-29 04:36:13 PM
UM HELLO? "7 WEEK VACATION" WTF!

And Boss Hogg is still working on the Job after his paid vacation...WTF times 2.
 
2006-07-29 04:37:32 PM
speciaaly:

I'm not defending the practice, I'm just pointing out why it is done, and why it will continue to be done.

We're not talking about a few grands in cash for a weekend of blow and hookers, we're talking about such huge amounts that there is no justification. I mean, cmon, most people don't make 750,000 in a decade...and thats before taxes.
 
2006-07-29 04:55:42 PM
120,000 stolen. 13,000 bond. 111,000 Profit.

Crime Pays when you're a cop committing the crime.

//Kill All pigs.
//Eats pork.
 
2006-07-29 05:03:53 PM
To summarize, the reason this works is that there is no reason whatsoever to go around with hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash, unless you did something illegal and want to hide it.

And that's the basic problem here -- you don't see any reason whatsoever to drive around with hundreds of thousands of dollars but *I* might. You might *think* (along with most other people) that I am batshiat crazy for doing this, but you have no idea why I'm doing it.

The bottom line is this: It is my right to conduct my personal affairs the way I see fit so long as I don't break any laws. It is neither your right or the right of the state to stick your nose in my business and "investigate" me for just being weird. There is a name for that kind of government and I'll give you a clue -- it isn't the kind you would want to live under.
 
2006-07-29 05:11:49 PM
aphexcoil3:

Fear not. It just occurred to me that in this great country of ours if you are wealthy enough (by legitimate means) to have the 750K to carry around, the law doesn't apply to you. You can hire great lawyers, fly the president around on your Boeing 727, hell, you can even commit statuatory rape repeatedly, for months on end, with no consequences...

"oh beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of grain..."
 
2006-07-29 05:26:05 PM
With all these arguments of "innocent until proven guilty" has anyone else missed that they don't *know* that he took the money and he claims he didn't? A lot of double standards here.

Reads like: "Innocent until proven guilty, unless you're a cop, then you're guilty just because I want you to be."
 
2006-07-29 05:31:05 PM
How is it ironic?
 
2006-07-29 05:32:05 PM
Cops...the new Pirates
 
2006-07-29 05:43:38 PM
pvd021

120,000 stolen. 13,000 bond. 111,000 Profit.

Crime Pays when you're a cop committing the crime.


Learn the difference between a bond and a fine. Oh, and learn how to subtract while you're at it.

And quit judging every cop in the world by the actions of the few bad ones that get all the publicity. How about the cops that turned this Sheriff in? THEY are the ones who represent the vast majority of cops, not the crooked Sheriff.
 
2006-07-29 05:48:01 PM
These forfeiture laws are so blatantly unconstitutional, it makes me want to vomit. I guess it's not surprising they haven't had much of a court test considering it's pretty hard to mount an expensive court battle when the gov't just stole everything you own and makes you poy up 10% on top of that to contest the siezure.

Since the deputy, unlike the driver whose money was STOLEN, has been charged with a crime, why haven't his house, cars, bank accounts and all other assets been siezed?
 
2006-07-29 05:49:09 PM
Maybe not all cops steal, but most are complete assholes.

Also, Crusier Twelve, didn't anyone ever tell you that 50 per cent of the vast majority of all generalizations are always inaccurate?
 
2006-07-29 05:54:07 PM
Fred -
The cops didn't bust down the door of your local parish priest and cart off the collection money. They seized hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash from a drug money courier. Now, the drug courier had every right to contest the seizure, but he WAIVED that right. Why? Because he was a farking drug courier.
I really don't see the problem here.
Cops can seize property suspected of being involved in a crime. This is then called evidence. They do it all the time, in many different situations.
I'm all for pointing out our loss of liberties, but this is reasonable.
The farked up stuff is when they try and confiscate someone's boat because they found a joint on it...keeping drug money when someone has surrendered it because they don't want to go to PMITA - not so much so.
 
2006-07-29 06:17:18 PM
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/wanted for questioning
 
2006-07-29 06:21:58 PM
Where's the IOWA tag?
 
2006-07-29 06:40:47 PM
Let me first state that IANAL, but do the police have the right to confiscate money from your person without ANY probable cause whatsoever?

Sure, there was probably cause. The article explained that they were stopped for having dark tinted windows. Don't you know that is a clear indication of criminal behavior?
 
2006-07-29 06:57:45 PM
speciaal: Sorry, I didn't know I had to have a reason to have any amount of cash on me, other than "Because I damn well want to"


9/11, biatch!
 
2006-07-29 07:07:29 PM
I too would like to know why this is ironic.

I mean, isn't it expected that siezed money ends up in the cops' pockets?
 
2006-07-29 08:54:54 PM
DulceEtDecorumEst, actually it doesn't say the driver waived or didn't contest anything, but you do propose a plausible situation.

That doesn't excuse stealing the money in his car w/o due process, AKA being found guilty of something, or at least charged. Having wads of cash is not illegal, in and of itself.

Sadly the other hypothetical you propose is probably quite more prevalent. Having the family farm siezed because the glaucoma patient grandson was growing pot, for instance.

I don't care if Jose Padilla is really a terrorist, it's illegal to hold him for 3 years without charges or access to a lawyer. Charge him, prove it, or let him go. I don't care if this guy was a drug money courier, it's illegal to take his money and make him prove he's not a drug courier to get it back. Convict him, or give it back.

If they can do it to them, they can, and will do it to you, or some other poor innocent SOB. I'm not willing to shred the constitution just so sherrif buford can buy new radar detectors with money he stole from people who should be presumed innocent.
 
2006-07-29 09:52:17 PM
Folks,

If you aren't familiar with 'civil forfeiture" you may want to read up on the United States Code (18 U.S.C. § 983(d)). It's the part that defines forfeiture laws and more specifically the general rules for civil forfeiture proceedings. It states that the "claimant shall have the burden of proving that the claimant is an innocent owner by a preponderance of the evidence".

The feds (and most states) have concocted a great little system for themselves that takes things from us for them to use as they choose.

/us, not cops
//them, cops
 
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