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(SFGate)   Cover of breastfeeding magazine shows baby nursing on a *gasp* bare breast. American Talibanarity ensues: "A breast is a breast - it's a sexual thing." In other news, a hundred simulated murders will be on network TV tonight   (sfgate.com) divider line 751
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2006-07-28 10:37:29 AM  
Talibanarity... My new favorite word.
 
2006-07-28 10:50:31 AM  
I participated in the fun earlier with that Jebus retard, but I do have a serious question:

There are parts of our body that are "sexual" but have other functions. Hands and mouths spring up as prime examples. I've done some freaky sexual stuff with my mouth, and have had some freaky stuff done to me. But I don't look at everyone's mouth and think "Wow, I wish I could get that mouth on me!"

I have breasts, and I breastfeed. I like when they are fondled and caressed and sucked on by my husband, but when I breastfeed, they are serving a different function. Just like I don't get turned on seeing my husband talk because I can't separate one function of his mouth from another, I don't get turned on when I breastfeed because it's not a sexual thing.

Why is there this obstacle that so many people can ONLY see boobs as having a sexual function, and thus any display of them is forbidden and unwholesome?

Is it just a matter of time? Will our society just get more acclimated as time goes by?

It is just a conundrum to me. Seeing my breasts as 'multi-function' was always pretty easy for me, I am confused why so many people have trouble making that leap.
 
2006-07-28 10:56:07 AM  
davevodolazkiy
And so the Lord Jesus spoke, and he sayeth onto the peoples,
"Be ashamed of thine own bodies! Be ashamed and be afraid of what our Father in Heaven gave upon thee!" And lo, as he spoke, a bolt came down from the sky, and smote the woman feeding her child, and all the men of Jerusalem proclaimed, "We do not wish to see teh boobies!"


lmfao
 
2006-07-28 10:57:26 AM  
OMG, teh boobies are tearing this country apart.


/so sad
 
2006-07-28 11:04:38 AM  
"Why is there this obstacle that so many people can ONLY see boobs as having a sexual function, and thus any display of them is forbidden and unwholesome?"

I follow the theory that theyre derranged idiots.
 
2006-07-28 11:22:56 AM  
Irresponsible,
It IS her right, and you were wrong to ask her to stop. See following from LaLeche League (pops)

NORTH CAROLINA

North Carolina, in 1993, exempted breastfeeding from the criminal statutes, and at the same time, clarified that women have the right to breastfeed in public, even if there is exposure of the breast.

N.C. Gen. Stat. sec. 14-190.9
1993 N.C. ALS 301; 1993 N.C. Sess. Laws 301; 1993 N.C. Ch. 301; 1993 N.C. HB 1143

"§ 14-190.9. Indecent exposure.
(B) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a woman may breast feed in any public or private location where she is otherwise authorized to be, irrespective of whether the nipple of the mother's breast is uncovered during or incidental to the breast feeding.
 
2006-07-28 11:25:55 AM  
I think it's funny that somewhere high above this article is a story about Harry Potter banging horses, and people will pay money for that, but we can't seem to wrap our cromagnon heads around the idea that breasts are first and foremost a tool, then a toy.

If they were more about sexuality, then guys would have them too.

Sorry to come to this late, but I hate hearing it when people say, "Gross" about a nursing baby. Those people have to have been rasied on strychnine and hummingbird nectar.
 
2006-07-28 11:57:22 AM  
Prude, bible-thumping people are stupid and must be euthanised. We don't need these people in society.
 
2006-07-28 12:18:05 PM  
"I'm totally supportive of it -- I just don't like the flashing," she says. "I don't want my son or husband to accidentally see a breast they I didn't want them to see."
 
2006-07-28 12:22:32 PM  
i91.photobucket.com
 
2006-07-28 12:23:55 PM  
"I'm totally supportive of it -- I just don't like the flashing," she says. "I don't want my son or husband to accidentally see a breast they didn't want to see."

There, fixed the text from TFA.
 
2006-07-28 12:29:37 PM  
The English had the right idea in 1620. It's time to push the Puritans further east.

/Try Singapore, they love to suppress 'sin'
//and spank children for their own pleasure
 
2006-07-28 12:56:30 PM  
Well done Krizzose and cornlegend, you're only like the 49th and 50th Farkers to do that in this thread. Way to go!
 
2006-07-28 01:13:21 PM  
I have two questions:

1. To those that don't like breastfeeding in public: Does seeing a woman nursing with a blanket covering half of her torso, the baby and her bare breast bother you? Would said scenario not offend?

2. To those that are lactivists: Could you not bring a blanket with you and your child when out in public so that you could cover up anything from showing?

Seriously, what's wrong with breastfeeding moms using a blanket? They get to breastfeed without going to a bathroom and get to shut their kid up and those that don't like seeing a child breastfeed don't have to see anything. I seriously think I'm one of the few people that remember what the word compromise means.
 
2006-07-28 01:45:06 PM  
As much of a "tard" as you may think I am, I have clinical research to back up my claims...more specifically, about those mothers that insist on breastfeeding their kids until they are 3 or 4 years old. where is my research? Right here (somewhat lengthy):

"I will now clarify the close connection between breast-feeding and intercourse through the following description applicable to both: Tactile stimulation produces an erection on an erogenous bodily protuberance accompanied by excitation of both participant's genitals (see ahead for further elaboration on this point). Subsequently, a white, life-promoting fluid is ejected from the protuberance into an orifice of the other participant. The process has two effects: sensual pleasure in both participants and the promotion of human life. Now, to connect the two processes sequentially, it is essential to human reproduction that, first, a baby is produced (coitus), and, second, that the baby is preserved (breast-feeding); and evolution (always utilizing the most economic means available) motivates both through means of sexual pleasure. It must be remembered that non-human mammals will not be motivated to breast-feed through an "intellectual appreciation" of its health benefits to their babies. The female mammal only recognizes that, like intercourse, breast-feeding "feels really good", and thus evolution promotes, through sexual pleasure, both habits crucial to survival. It must be recognized that breastfeeding, even if considered as "incestuous" sex (as it had been labeled by the hysterical hot-line volunteer), is primary. It is the first intercourse that any human being experiences!

The first objection to this line of evolutionary reasoning would be: "Yes, but women don't generally experience it this way". This attitude does not comport with the facts. Looking at The Complete Book of Breast-feeding, it is noted that while nursing, Some form of sexual gratification...is commonly recognized. Some women experience clitoral sensations during nursing, with accompanying vaginal lubrication (Eiger and Olds 1981, 134).
...Three incidents of orgasm experienced while nursing were included in the Masters and Johnson reports. While such orgasm does occasionally occur, it seems to be quite rare among nursing women in the general population. (Unless it is more widespread than we think, but is not generally acknowledged.)(Eiger and Olds 1981, 134)"

This plus MUCH more scientific data to back up my claim can be found at http://www.womanthouartgod.com/breastfeedinglovemaking.php

note: This is NOT some sick, twisted porn page. It is a scientific study done on the correlation between breastfeeding and sexual and asexual responses in women.

I think the motivation for women choosing to breastfeed a 4 year-old is pretty clear.

As much as it makes me sound like an ass, it is quite simply that they 'get off' having their tits sucked...and use breastfeeding as an excuse to do it in public.

notice that I speaking of the mothers that breastfeed their kids long after the 'normal' weaning age only, although biologically speaking, all breastfeeding mothers experience sexual arousal to some degree. Research indicates that the more intense these feelings of arousal, the more likely a mother is to breastfeed her kid past the time where it is medically necessary.
 
2006-07-28 02:34:44 PM  
i_make_jeebus_cry: Youre really, really afraid of nursing babies. Theyre like kryptonite to you or something, arent they.
 
2006-07-28 03:44:35 PM  
not really.

All I said in that last post was that women that breastfeed their kid until it's 4 and 5 years old are doing it for their OWN sexual gratification.

/for the 100000000th time...my wife breastfed my son. She was just smart enough to plan ahead so she didn't have to do it in public.
 
2006-07-28 04:35:11 PM  
Jebus,

You are a tard.

Of course breastfeeding feels good. If it felt like steel nails being driven into your boobs, well that would have been real productive for the survival of our species. Anything that serves to ensure the survival of our species feels good. That's why you like it when your wife touches your peter. If having sex with her felt like rubbing sandpaper on your member your wife never would have had the opportunity to breastfeed.

Do me a favor and cite an article by a doctor, or a respected clinical organization and not an evolutionary psychologist. That is not evidence. I could write a blog entry about Godzilla eating GWB's liver for lunch but that doesn't make it true or relevant to our conversation. I am actually insulted that I cited for you four different respected sources for breastfeeding and health information and you couldn't find something that didn't look like it was published by a cult leader. AND I didn't even cite the official AAP and WHO papers on breastfeeding!!!!

The American Academy of Pediatrics and the World Health Organization both advocate an exclusive breastfeeding relationship for the first six months. The AAP advocates continued breastfeeding for at least a year. The WHO advocates for at least two years. And both state that the breastfeeding relationship should continue for as long as is mutually desired by the mother and child. THERE IS NO UPPER LIMIT GIVEN by the two most esteemed and respected health agencies in the U.S. on the topic of breastfeeding.

/now STFU
//the article you cited just proved to me you are a moran
///go back to cleaning your gun
////and making sure your wife is barefoot in your kitchen
 
2006-07-28 04:42:26 PM  
And one additional thought.

I really didn't think that the article you cited was insisting that women should wean.

What the article was stating was that breastfeeding feels good. That it drives the survival of our species. The problem is we don't have a word for "feels good" without equating it to sex.

There is a whole body of work out there (e.g. "Ina May's Guide to Childbirth" by Ina May Gaskin) that elaborate on the primal physical and sexual feelings that can occur during birth. Believe it or not, there are women who when they labor naturally, will actually have orgasms during the pushing process.

Therefore, by your POV, childbirth is sexual and nasty and women who choose to seek that pleasure in childbirth are dirty whores who shouldn't choose to have babies.

Jebus, you are demented. I pity you, your wife, your child, and anyone who may have read your posts with any modicum of credibility.

~~~ fini ~~~
 
2006-07-28 04:49:34 PM  
"I'm totally supportive of it -- I just don't like the flashing," she says. "I don't want my son or husband to accidentally see a breast they didn't want to see."

I can guarentee her that there is not one breast that they wouldn't want to see.
 
2006-07-28 04:54:27 PM  
memilkisyummy

a backrub feels good and isnt related to sex. So it scratching your back when you have an itch you cannot reach.

The article directly relates breastfeeding to sexual arousal.

I'm not saying its 'dirty' to breastfeed. I'm saying it is nasty to breastfeed a 5 year old.

Are you THAT stupid that you cannot comprehend what I am saying..or did you skip right over the part of my post that said I was speaking directly to the type of mother that breastfeeds her kids 'till they're 4, 5 and 6 years old and says its wholesome and simply nutrition for the kids.

More close to the truth would be that they like the way breastfeeding feels because it arouses them sexually, so they desire to continue to breastfeed long after the time the child no longer needs it.

There have been more studies than just that single one. By the way, that WAS done by a reputable DOCTOR...and he referenced several OTHER doctors in that research.

Nice try on twisting my words around. I didnt say breastfeeding in GENERAL is nasy and dirty. I said breastfeeding a kid that can walk up to you, lift up your shirt and say "I want some boobie" is nasty.
 
2006-07-28 04:56:31 PM  
There are waaay too many comments to read them all, so I pray to something that someone photoshopped themselves in place of the baby on that cover.

Anyway, I thought the cover was hot.

The truth of the matter is husbands and sons will find things to masturbate to whether it be Victoria Secret or the operator on the phone. So, wouldn't you want it to be something wholesome like breast-feeding?
 
2006-07-28 05:02:25 PM  
What the article was stating was that breastfeeding feels good. That it drives the survival of our species.

So does farking...yet strangely, that is illegal to do in public.

Did you know that frequent masturbation followed by a period of abstinance is one of the best ways for a man to build up semem volume? It just so happens that masturbation feels good...and it drives the survival of our species. Its a perfectly natural, wholesome activity that serves a purpose.

Why is a female's breasts any different from a man's penis? Both ensure the surval of our species, and they also serve both sexual AND procreational purposes. A penis ALSO performs a vital bodily function, which is ALSO a natural requirement of living.


You attempt to discredit me by trying to make me look like some neanderthal with no comprehension of how life works...that is your opinin.

Just like my opinion of YOU is one of a feminazi who feels she should be able to walk around topless wherever she pleases because "they're just breasts" right?

We both have our opinions. Yours are based on feelings...mine are based on medically-backed research and facts.

I know what you point was intended to be...but even IF you point was 100% correct, it STILL wouldnt make MY arguement invalid.
 
2006-07-28 05:11:31 PM  
I'm disagreeing with your take on extended breastfeeding.

My daughter is two, still breastfeeds, and could walk up to me and lift my shirt and say "I want some boobie." However she knows such behavior is inappropriate. She quietly asks "I nurse?" and if I say "Not now" she knows what that means and does not press the issue.

I'm interested in seeing health information. Show me where it says it is unhealthy to have an extended breastfeeding relationship. Show me the research about all the screwed up people who were breastfed past 2.5 years of age, which is your arbitrary cut off. Show me who refutes the stances by the AAP and WHO. Show me the evidence you have that extended breastfeeding is not beneficial from a nutritional, emotional, and societal perspective.

You can't.

And you know why I know? I have looked for it. In doing my research on breastfeeding I wanted to know when I should wean, I wanted to know the point where it was wise to say "OK, that's it!" and the reality is, there is no point, no line in the sand. I looked for it! I read books and online articles and spoke to my OBGYN and my daughter's pediatrician. The advice, over and over and over, is that a woman and child should decide between them when the breastfeeding relationship should end. If the mother wants it to end, it should end. If the child wants it to end, it should end. But if both are content with the status quo, are satisfied with the relationship, and wish it to continue, then it should.

You cannot force a child to nurse who does not want to nurse. Most children, left to choose to end the breastfeeding relationship (an exercise called "child-led weaning) will usually choose to stop breastfeeding in the 3-4 years of age window. Some end it at 18 months. Some end it at six years.

And no one would argue that anyone is breastfeeding a four year-old for the nutrition alone. Most people do it for the intimacy. Not the SEXUAL intimacy, but emotional intimacy. I do hope for your wife's sake you know the difference.

The fact is we will never agree. Although I do not want to nurse my daughter when she is five (though ask me again when she's five...) I would never EVER stand in judgment of someone who does, or pretend that I KNOW why that choice is made.

I hope you will take the opportunity to read the links I gave you and look into the AAP and WHO stances on breastfeeding.

What I don't get more than anything is that you used the article you cited as evidence why women shouldn't breastfeed on an extended basis. When, in the article *I* read, there were no such assertions. An evolutionary psychologist (who is not a DOCTOR in the medical sense but in the academic sense) is interested in the "why" of behavior... they care little about the implications in modern society. I am friends with a couple evolutionary psychologists, and in fact have read a number of the books cited in the endnotes.

Again, I would love to see the medical evidence backing up your assertions. Good luck finding it.

And I am bothering to write all this... not for you, Jebus, because it is so apparent where you stand and I have no delusions that I will win you over or open your mind, but people need to hear this information, in all its veracity and accuracy.

And it is true, and accurate. I owed it to my daughter and my future children to be well-versed on what would amount to years of our relationships together.
 
2006-07-28 05:12:17 PM  
breastfeeding rules
formula's #1 ingredient is corn syrup solids
yuck
probably genetically modified corn at that...
even pigs won't eat GM food
 
2006-07-28 05:20:54 PM  
1) They ARE just breasts.
2) I like looking at penises too and if nudity were legal I wouldn't mind much.
3) I am a modest public nurser and no one has ever seen my nipples or more than a sliver of the flesh of my breast.
4) You are a neanderthal.
5) Evolutionary psychology is not medicine.
6) I am wholly convinced my opinion is based on much more medical fact than yours is.
7) Why do people use derivatives of the term "nazi" for people advocating greater freedoms, when the Nazis were most interested in derailing freedom? I've never gotten that.
 
2006-07-28 05:26:46 PM  
Gee...i never could have guessed that you are a nursing mother that intended to breastfeed until your kid is 4 or 5 years old.

I've read the links you posted.

I can find dozens of links that prove that marijuana is medically valid, too. Does that mean you will be sharing a dimebag with your 2 year old?

Medically valid and socially acceptable are two different concepts..which you seem to be having a LOT of trouble differentiating between.

http://www.progressiveu.org/091935-the-health-benefits-of-sex


Thats just one of literally hundreds of doctors (and university studies) that prove that masturbation has the same health benefits as sex. Among these are increased immunity, lower stress levels, improved cholesterol levels, and increased circulation. Frequent masturbation or ejaculation also decreases a man's probability of getting prostate cancer by 50% or more.

ALL the arguements you use for breastfeeding and its benefits, except for ONE, can also be applied to masturbation...yet a man masturbating is percieved to be one of the most indecent, dirty things he can do...much less in public.

You owe it to your children to pop your tit our their mouths and let them grow up...especially when they are 4, 5 and 6 years old. There are also reports (google them) of many women breastfeeding their kids when they are in FIRST GRADE. Tell me THAT's not sick and I'll know where you're coming from.
 
2006-07-28 05:36:12 PM  
1) They ARE just breasts.
And in THIS society, breasts are viewed both as food-makers AND as sexual objects. That is a fact you will just have to grow up and deal with.


2) I like looking at penises too and if nudity were legal I wouldn't mind much.

Ah, but sadly a man cannot meet his own biological needs in public if it involves a part of HIS anatomy that has sexual connotations...regardless of the proven medical benefits of doing so.



3) I am a modest public nurser and no one has ever seen my nipples or more than a sliver of the flesh of my breast.

Good for you. You are discreet about it. Why shriek like a banshee when all ppl want is for nursing mothers to be discreet about it?

4) You are a neanderthal.

My opinion differs from yous = you tossing insults. Go shave your armpits.

5) Evolutionary psychology is not medicine.

It is still valid nonetheless. Thought you would have learned this from your 'friends'.


6) I am wholly convinced my opinion is based on much more medical fact than yours is.

I wouldn't count on it. What degree do you have?

7) Why do people use derivatives of the term "nazi" for people advocating greater freedoms, when the Nazis were most interested in derailing freedom? I've never gotten that.

Again, you show your stupidity. The term "nazi" is used because the nazi party tried to force their beliefs on a group of people when said group did not want it. Feminazis try to push their agendas on society despite the fact that both good tastes and common sense would dictate otherwise.

Example: The women that march topless because they want the right to bear their breasts in public. They are dilusional that breasts ARENT viewed in a sexual manner, and therefore going topless is considered indecent in this society.

Imagine what would happen in 5,000 men were to stage a protest where they walked down a street in a major city with their penis hanging out their pants.
 
2006-07-28 05:40:32 PM  
memilkisyummy

key question: are you married?
 
2006-07-28 05:41:50 PM  
Did you read the "links" or the content therein?

Again, you may opine as much as you wish that extended breastfeeding is wrong. It doesn't make it true and it won't affect the people who do truly know that it is beneficial and natural. My argument with you has been reserved for your stance on extended breastfeeding.

And no, I do not think it is sick for a first grader to breastfeed. As long as both mother and child mutually desire the interaction. So you know where I'm coming from. Oooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh.

I don't think masturbation is dirty or wrong. I think manual sexual exploration, at any age, is healthy and imperative for sexual development.

I do think there is much folly in comparing public masturbation to public breastfeeding. A baby NEEDS to eat. Now. From a breast. A man does NOT need to masturbate. NOW. Adults also have the ability to delay gratification, and thus a man who NEEDS to masturbate should have the control to get to a more appropriate place. Those who don't end up in jail, yes? Rightly so, yes?

A baby cannot delay gratification. For a nursing mom who must get things done, like grocery shopping or other errands, or would like to leave her house occasionally, she cannot whisper to her baby, "no baby, you'll have to wait until later." Not all babies take bottles, and it is against sound medical advice to introduce a bottle to a baby when it is too young.

Plus it's sooooooo much easier to breastfeed than to lug bottles around. It really, really is. Your boobs are always warm, and the perfect dispensing device. And you don't have to rinse them or sanitize them!

Again, we will never agree, and quite honestly I probably wouldn't tire of defending my stance because I truly feel that breastfeeding, and all that we as a society can do to promote it, is truly for the betterment of our society. Breastfed children are healthier and better adjusted than their bottle-fed counterparts, and certainly the US could use some improvement in both those categories.

When my daughter chooses to pop the tit out of her mouth, I will embrace her readiness and her assertion of independence. Until then I will cherish every moment I have with her, and enjoy our breastfeeding relationship. She, somehow, is managing to grow up plenty despite our "indecent, dirty" habit. In fact, she's incredibly smart, independent, and well-adjusted for a two-year-old.

Imagine that.
 
2006-07-28 05:42:44 PM  
Jeebus, when you grow breats, lactate, and breastfeed an infant all by yourself for the first 6 weeks of its life when your supply is establishing and you don't get to sleep more then 15 minutes at a time...

THEN, and only THEN, do YOU get to tell me when to stop breastfeeding or where to do it. Period.
 
2006-07-28 05:46:46 PM  
ROFL

I don't shave my pits. I wax them.

I am married. My husband is 100% supportive of the breastfeeding relationship and agrees with the "child-led weaning" approach. As incidentally, does both my daughter's pediatrician and my OBGYN, both who were selected as our family's doctors before I knew their beliefs about extended breastfeeding.

I never said evolutionary psychology was not an invalid field. I love evolutionary psych. It was one of my favorite college classes. I just don't equate evolutionary psych with medical opinion.

:wave: buh-bye!
 
2006-07-28 05:54:57 PM  
apparently the courts think 8 years old it too old.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/22/national/main530620.shtml


Also, you are a sick fark if you think its okay to breastfeed a kid in first grade.

That is all.

Men may not need to masturbate right NOw, but I know many older men with severe prostate problems that cannot leave their homes because when they feel the urge to urinate..they MUST urinate immediately or it becomes extremely painful for them. They cannot urinate on a tree in public because the sight of their penis is considered obscene.

I never said two is too old. Keep breastfeeding her until she's 4 and see how 'well adjusted' she is.

I realize you will never tire of arguing for your right to breastfeed your child until she's 15 if that is what you desire. That is what feminazi's do.

You are of the "I dont care what society says..I have RIGHTS DAMMIT! I am WOMAN! Hear me SCREACH!" mentality. That much is clear.

Sadly, I think society should be more accepting of MEN who have valid medical conditions as well. Who does peeing on a tree hurt? The tree? This is very real person I am speaking of. He lives 3 blocks away, and cannot leave his home because he has to pee every 10 minutes and cannot physically hold it in.

The one time he tried to pee in the park, he says (I have no way of validating this except solely by what he said) that some woman called the cops because she saw his penis.

double standard much?

RavenOnyx

I have breasts..and they lactated..and they breastfed an infant all by themselves. They are attatched to my wife. She agrees that breastfeeding a 6-8 year old is sick and nasty and perverse...just like the majority of people in our society.

Unfortunately, decency is moderated by society....and I'd like to see you dragged to jail kicking and screaming that its your right to breastfeed your kid in public when he's 8 years old. THAT would be comedy gold.
 
2006-07-28 05:58:46 PM  
my last comment:

There ARE legal limitations to public breastfeeding. Ask the 'lady' in the link I posted.

I'm fairly sure that its not healthy for the child to be in school and still breastfeeding.

Its not beneficial, its not healthy, and its not acceptable by current social standards.

However...my main overall point is: If you breastfeed in public, I will exercise my innate biological attraction to your breasts by staring at them. Hey...you dont have a problem exposing them in public..you shouldn't have a problem with people trying to look at them.

/out
 
2006-07-28 06:25:42 PM  
You and your mythical wife can take a long walk off a short pier.

Die.
 
2006-07-28 06:26:57 PM  
and by the way.. YOU do not have breasts. YOU did not biologically lactate, and your WIFE's breasts are not YOUR PROPERTY.

OMG I feel sorry for your kid. He's gonna be just as farked in the head as you assheads are.
 
2006-07-28 07:40:42 PM  
I_Make_Jebus_Cry: However, I, as a parent, don't want my son seeing some woman taking her breasts out in public. In my opinion as a parent, he is too young for me to explain what those things are...and I have a right to raise my child as I see fit.

Breasts as a sexual object is based on society's opinion. Sure, there are societies that don't view them as sexual objects..but guess what...in the United States, the vast majority of people DO view breasts as sexual parts of a woman's body.

(snipped)

YOU may not care if your child sees it or not...but I do, and it is my right as a parent to discuss such things with my child at a time and place that I feel is appropriate for him, not when some woman decides she can expose herself in public because her baby absolutely MUST nurse within 5 seconds or it will die.

Yes, nursing IS natural. So is a male's tendancy to view breasts as sexual objects


It is that very objectification of women's bodies that needs to be addressed. While breasts do have "dual" purpose, there is nothing sexual about breastfeeding. Breastfeeding is a normal, human activity and is important for the healthy development of our children. To support and encourage a mother and infant pair's right to breastfeed in public creates an atmosphere of normalcy. It is unfortunate that your child(ren) will be actively discouraged from seeing normal breastfeeding (and what normal breasts look like)...it only perpetuates the cycle of seeing women and their body parts as objects and encourages future parents (these same young children will be parents someday!) to choose formula (which is a barely adequate substitute for breastmilk) over breastfeeding.

BTW, no child is too young to be taught about the human body...it just needs to be done in a manner that is appropriate to their level of understanding and age. What better than to see babies breastfeeding in everyday life?

Breastfeeding is important for the first full year of life, and it's even better to continue through the second year (or longer if the mother and child choose to.) Those whom are criticizing extended breastfeeding have no clue what it is about. Continued breastfeeding provides a further immunity boost, provides comfort & a health boost during illness and upset, provides additional protection against breast cancer for the mother (the effect is cumulative), etc. In addition, those who do practice extended breastfeeding know that by the age of 1 - 2 years, breastfeeding is infrequent throughout the day and less likely to happen in public anyway. Those who must breastfeed while they're out and about can often distract an older toddler until there is a more private venue for breastfeeding...many toddlers need a quite(r) place to breastfeed anyway (away from the busy-ness of the world around them.)

mookiedood's wife
mother of three children, each breastfed for approximately 2 years
 
2006-07-28 08:15:23 PM  
"Rufus is a tit man
Suckin' on his mamma's gland
Suckin' on the nipple
It's a sweeter than the ripple wine.
Yes its sweeter than the wine.
You can tell by the way the boy burps
that it's gotta taste fine.

Marco Polo craved the spice and silk
And Rufus craves the mamma's milk
No moo-cow no billy-goat
Is gonna get the baby's vote.
Come on mamma,
Come on and open up your shirt
Yeah you've got the goods mamma
Give the little boy a squirt.

For my lungs and my liver
I do definitely fear.
I like to suck on cigarettes
And drink the wine and beer.
The doctor says I'm oral
Blblblbllla-a-a-a-a-.
And I believe it's true.
Ah son you look so satisfied
I envy you.

So put Rufus on the left one
And put me right on the right
And like Romulus and Remus
We'll suck all night.
Come on mamma
Come on and lactate awhile.
Yeah look down on us mamma
And flash us a Madonna smile."

/Loudon Wainwright fan
 
2006-07-28 08:52:52 PM  
RavenOnyx

Look, you ignorant BIATCH....

My son sees his mother *gasp!* NAKED.

Hell, he sees ME naked.

There's nothing wrong with being naked in your home, in a NON-sexual way (as in getting out the shower, etc), in a PRIVATE setting.

It is NOT acceptable in public, and neither is breastfeeding a 5 or 6 year old kid. Don't wanna have people stare or make comments about you breastfeeding your kindergartener? do it in private.

When you do ANYTHING in public, you have no expectation of privacy, and YOUR rights do NOT trump the rights of anyone else. Everyone's rights are given EQUAL weight. Therefore, since you have no expectation of privacy, and I have the freedom of speech, if I see you breastfeeding a first grader, I most likely wouldnt say anything IRL, unless you happened to see me looking at you in disgust and YOU make a comment to ME first.

Then, I'd have to tell you how much of a nasy, sick, sexually repressed biatch you are for breastfeeding a kid that can ride a bike on his own.

At a certain point, it isn't breastfeeding anymore...and I think that point is CERTAINLY reached once said kid starts school of some sort. There is NO justification other than personal gratification for continuing to breastfeed a kid for 7 years.

Women that continue to do so should be evaluated at the least, and jailed if it is found that they are doing it to meet their OWN needs...which is molestation.

To wrap it up, breasts and penises and vaginas and butts are nothing to be ashamed of. Like I said, my kid sees both my wife AND I naked periodically, but just like many things, it should be kept private...and in the case of breastfeeding, it should be done discreetly at least.
 
2006-07-28 10:16:33 PM  
I_Make_Jeebus_Cry

I only have one thing to say to you

DIAF you ignorant Fark.

Just DAIF...

That is all...
 
2006-07-28 11:44:58 PM  
oh yeah

NOT YOURS!!!!! (NSFW)
 
2006-07-29 02:06:21 AM  
Do that shiat in private, I like many others shouldn't be subjected to your perversions, if the kid gets hungery move your lazy butt to a private area and feed the little farker.
 
2006-07-29 02:45:16 AM  
Damned 24-hr. waiting period.

Hmmm, late to thread, where to start?

1. serpent_sky, the world applauds you for your decision to remove yourself from the Gene Pool. Now, if only the rest of the child-hating asshats would follow your shining example...

2. Somehow, it keeps coming back to whacking off in public. Which is prohibited by law. Breastfeeding in public is not. End of story. If you wish to change this law, find your own group of whacktivists and petition your state representatives. There is no comparison between an inarguably sexual act performed in public view, and the legally protected transfer of nutrition and nurturance from a mother to her infant, who happens to be helpless and unable to understand, explain, or fulfill hir basic needs without said adult's intercession.

3. I understand and accept the point that some have made, that *discreet* public nursing if fine, but if a woman bears her breasts, passersby should equally be allowed their right to be offended, complain, or ogle. The vast majority of nursing mothers *are* trying their best to be discreet, and would rather not flash the husbands and 13 y/o sons of the Puritanical set.

Sometimes, though, discretion while breastfeeding is easier said than done. New babies often take several minutes to latch correctly and settle into a feed, during which time a new mother, equally inexperienced in the art of breastfeeding, may need to be able to *see* what is going on between baby's mouth and her nipple. A blanket or nursing bib may add to the awkwardness and confusion, rather than alleviate it. Once the baby is nursing well, it may object to having its head covered under a stifling peice of cloth, where it cannot make eye contact with its mother. Some babies don't seem to mind much, but many do.

Having a baby and becoming a mother is nothing to be ashamed of. Neither is breastfeeding, whether in the privacy of the home, or in a public place. New mothers should be able to feel comfortable taking their babies into public venues, and feel free to breastfeed when and where the need arises, without fear of eliciting negative comments, looks, or other forms of harrassment from the ignorant, misinformed masses.

I find the attitude that any breastfeeding woman who shows her breasts in public must be doing it for attention, to make a feminazi statement, and/or because she *wants* them to be looked at, to be incredibly juvenile. Because yeah, dude, it's all about *you*. And those feminazis are all out to get you anyway...

4. Re: nursing stations and restrooms. No matter what anyone may say about nursing in a public toilet being "clean enough", the fact remains that a public restroom is NOT an environment most of the world considers "clean enough" for adult consumption of food, let alone for infants. So far, I haven't seen one person accept the challenge to sit on a public toilet and eat their own meal.

Nursing stations are a great idea, but are not always a logistically manageable choice. The expectation for every nursing mother and babe to utilize these facilities, thereby removing them from public view while breastfeeding, presumes that a woman has only one child with her, the nursling babe. If I go to the mall with my six children, and 5 of them are eating at the mall Food Court, how should I manage to meet all of their mealtime needs simultaneously, without inadvertently offending nearby patrons if the baby needs fed?

Shall I allow the baby to scream throughout our meal, and wait for me to be able to adjourn to the specified nursing area? Shall I take all six children, and their food, with me into this nursing station, and cause such a ruckus that other mothers and nurslings cannot enjoy the intended privacy of the breastfeeding room?

These rooms are generally lovely, and serve a portion of the breastfeeding populace quite well. However, they did not exist widely when I was a mother of one, and were of no use to me once I became the mother of more than one.

TBC...
 
2006-07-29 03:22:23 AM  
I think it's an adorable picture.

nanded: That's hilarious
 
2006-07-29 11:36:17 AM  
Pandora114

I looked at your profile...now I need more eye bleach.

img.photobucket.com

you SERIOUSLY have zero room to talk. I wouldnt wanna see YOUR tits if someone offered me 500 large.

I think I speak for everyone when I say: if you ever have a kid, not only will be an UUUGLY little farker, but please, please...for the love of ALL that is holy...do NOT pull your tits out in public....swarms of locusts and seas of vomit will follow shortly thereafter.
 
2006-07-29 11:42:22 AM  
MilkyGalore

yet another ignorant person....

The difference between nursing a baby and an adult eating in the restroom is pretty plain to those of us with common sense.

The baby's food won't potentially come into contact with the toilet seat, unless you flop your tits down on said toilet first. Your breasts should be clean before feeding the baby, and unless you rub your nipples all over the floor, the walls, and the urinals before you feed him/her, there is absolutely NO difference for the baby whether or not you are in a restroom or a private nursing room.

An adult has a plate of food to sit down on something before eating.
 
2006-07-29 12:01:44 PM  
Sorry, everyone's gotta sleep sometime. It may be pointless at this stage of the game, but I'm determined to counter the ridiculous arguments presented against nursing in public, nursing in general, breast exposure in general, and breastfeeding a child older than what the US considers "appropriate".

Cont'd...

5. Sexual gratifarkation: That quoted study is fascinating, but I find it interesting that someone so vehemently opposed to the feminist ideal would use such an obviously feminist source to attempt to prove their point. I don't think it proved the point that breastfeeding an older child is sexual and wrong at all; it only opened the possibility for consideration, that breastfeeding in and of itself is an intimate act very much akin to sexual intercourse.

The main problem I found in reading it, was that the author blindly refused to allow for a separation between a physical stimulation originating from a mothering/nurturing act, and sexually derived stimulation originating from attraction and sexual arousal, leading to a desire to copulate. The article (and I found it to be an interesting article, not a scientific study of any sort) specifically sexualizes the nursing relationship, charging that, in its culturally-unhindered primal form, breastfeeding is sexually gratifying, and that only our cultural anal retentiveness has made it into something totally asexual. While it's easy to partially agree with this, I still don't believe, as the author does, that the responses are equal and interchangeable. There *is* a distinct difference between being sexually aroused with a partner one is physically attracted to, causing an intense desire to copulate, and the physical response and intimacy a breastfeeding pair shares while a nursling suckles at its mother's breasts.

The author assumes (wrongly, IMO) that, like other mammals, there is no intellectual separation between a sexual act with a body part, or an act of nurturing (or other non-sexual) intimacy with the same body part.

Yes, of course breastfeeding can feel pleasureable (although the payoff is definitely delayed-- anyone who has ever breastfed can tell you that it is anything BUT pleasureable for the first several weeks!!). The survival of our species once depended upon it! Yes, it is physically *similar* to the human sexual response. But it's quite an oversimplification to say that it's the *same* thing. And it's downright farked up for someone to suggest that the majority of women who nurse a child past the *US's* cultural norm are doing it for their own sexual gratification. That's just people projecting their own farked-up sexual hangups onto loving mothers and their innocent babies. MODERN "civilized" (and mainly English-speaking) culture perceives breastfeeding past the age of 1 or 2 years to be an aberration.

Anthropologically speaking, WE are the freaks. Breastfeeding up to the age of 3-5 years is more culturally and historically accurate. The Europeans in the thread have already offered examples of their own cultural beliefs, which fall closer in line with the anthropological field's findings and observations of breastfeeding/weaning in differing cultures across the world, and throughout both recorded, and unrecorded, history.

Over the last 100-150 years, Americans have been changing their expectations of babies' needs and behavior, mainly due to the Industrial Revolution, women working outside the home, and the need for more "independent" children who are capable of spending greater quantities of time away from their mothers. *This* is the reason breastfeeding is no longer the cultural norm in the US, and extended breastfeeding viewed as some form of sexual depravity. *This* is why Jebusfarker is so hung up about the whole issue. Yes, it *is* part of our culture; I can certainly agree that it is not seen as the cultural norm. But that doesn't make it right or even healthy for babies, to continue imposing this cultural misconception upon *them*, at the expense of their health and emotional well being. Evolution has designed babies to need their mothers' care, to need breastmilk and the nurturing it provides, and to need it for approx. 3-5 years of age for optimal health and development. Our cultural expectations haven't changed that. Lactivists are merely working towards the goal of changing that cultural expectation, and the only ones who stand to gain, or lose, are our country's babies. If you are anti-breastfeeding, you are against babies being given the healthiest start possible, you are against helping them reach their full potential; in effect, you are anti-child. If you are anti-child, STFU. You have no right to an opinion on how people who LOVE children and WANT them should raise them; whether we should breastfeed or not, whether we should do it in public or not, whether we should continue until the child is school-aged or not.

Information offered in this post is derived from many sources over the years, including extensive internet research, but particularly from the excellent reads:

Breastfeeding: Biocultural Perspectives, by renowned anthropologist Katherine A. Dettwyler, and

Germs, Guns, and Steel, by Jared M. Diamond.
 
2006-07-29 12:09:40 PM  
Jebusfarker, yet again you miss the point. I have yet to see you accept the challenge to go eat your own food in the shiatter while some 240-lb. guy in the next stall takes a monumental dump. It's disgusting, and you're one of the only people I've come across in the last 15 years of being a mother/breastfeeder who cannot seem to readily admit that it's pretty farking gross once you think about it, to expect a mother to feed her baby, by breast *or* bottle, in the same place where strangers are voiding their bladders, changing their menstrual products, and dropping their excrement. Have a Coke and smile and STFU, until you agree to go eat your McFarkburger in the john.
 
2006-07-29 12:13:08 PM  
Quoting myself: You have no right to an opinion on how people who LOVE children and WANT them should raise them;

Let me rephrase that, because I'm all for freedom and don't really mean to come across as trying to limit anyone else's.

Don't expect anyone to give a fark about your opinion on how people who LOVE children and WANT them should raise them;
 
2006-07-29 03:44:37 PM  
Abiit, excessit, evasit, erupit.
~Cicero
 
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