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(BBC)   Israeli soldier help by Palestinians in Gaza to be released soon. The few hundred people killed to get to this point were not available for comment   (news.bbc.co.uk ) divider line 247
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2006-07-27 01:07:51 PM  
Fecality: I should append to my last note, that Hezbolla intentionally targets civilians.
Israel does NOT INTENTIONALLY target civilians.



This bears repeating. Why is the incontrovertible fact that the Radical Islamic Jihadists INTENTIONALLY target civilians as a matter of POLICY so often glossed over in these debates?
 
2006-07-27 01:08:17 PM  
Meh... when people start loving wars and believe that the lives that they take are worthless then all shiat breaks loose.

Shiat has broken loose and has hit the fan :O

Most muslims of that area believe that Jewish lives are worth nothing and that by dying in a war they will reach heaven

Most jewish people of that area believe that muslim lives are worth nothing and that by dying in a war they will reach heaven.

Everyone who believes that should quickly go to heaven and let the rest of us live in peace.
 
2006-07-27 01:08:29 PM  
"yeah, reported by the Lebanese government and Hizbullah."

Hahaha. I love it.
 
2006-07-27 01:09:11 PM  
pakfish

The terror state of Israel will not stop anytime soon. They only need transperant excuses to start their little murder sprees - not to end them.

Then maybe it's better to not piss them off, or they'll be after your arse soon, Pakfish!
 
2006-07-27 01:09:13 PM  
Childish headline, smitty.

Warfare 101:

Civilians are sometimes near legitimate military targets. That is not a war crime or crime against humanity. Attacking civilians with the purpose of killing civilians IS, for example, shooting unguided rockets into a city, a suicide bomber asploding in a market.

The HB hid among civilians, if you have a problem with civilian casualties, blame the HB. Blame Lebanon for allowing the HB to operate there.

They should have never kidnapped the Israeli soldier in the first place, then they could play the victim if Israel did something bad to them. But the kidnappers caused those civilian deaths by their actions and by holding on to the hostage(s) for so long.

Stop blaming the victim. This apologism for terrorism is like some weeny man trying to rape a woman body builder ninja and crying foul when she turns around and beats the crap out of him for it. He deserved it. The left reflexively apologizes for the terrorists and cheer them on because of who the president is, not because it's right. That farked.

Did some Lebanese kid deserve to die for what the HB did, fark no, but the blame lies with HB and Lebanon.
 
2006-07-27 01:09:41 PM  
Tatsuma: yeah, reported by the Lebanese government and Hizbullah.

Attack the messenger when you don't agree with the message.

Palestinians reported 3,000 deaths in the Jenin operation of 2002, too.

Nice red herring.
 
2006-07-27 01:09:43 PM  
Just a thought, but perhaps there's more outcry over the civilian deaths in Lebanon because we're actively supporting Israel with weapons and aid, so the blood is on our hands as well.
 
2006-07-27 01:09:51 PM  
dgarg: Most jewish people of that area believe that muslim lives are worth nothing and that by dying in a war they will reach heaven.

What a crock of farking bullshiat. Most jews think it's a farking tragedy to kill someone. When you kill someone, it's as if you killed an entire universe.

The jews see the rest of the Middle East as some headache, they'd just wish they would stop bothering them and live in peace. The Arab world sees Israel as a cancer and just wish it would be removed like a tumor. That's why there will never be peace in the region.
 
2006-07-27 01:09:54 PM  
Tatsuma

WTF are you talking about? Summer rains? You're trying to support an outta-somebody's-ass ratio by ignoring the majority casualties that have taken place since then..
 
2006-07-27 01:11:41 PM  
infantry: what i find disturbing is that al-qaeda is trying to proclaim a holy war against israel.


Old news. AlQueda has been proclaiming Jihad against Israel for YEARS.

Bin Laden's Fatwa
(pops)
 
2006-07-27 01:11:48 PM  
The difference between targeting civilians or not is the difference between murder and manslaughter. And to the dead there is no difference.
 
2006-07-27 01:12:02 PM  
Tatsuma

Do you follow the Israeli medias?

www.haaretz.com
www.ynetnews.com
www.jpost.com


In the same way I don't take any reports from a government involved with attacks as pure truth without backup from an independent source, I cannot accept those as truth until there is other data independent of this conflict showing the numbers.

One sided stories aren't generally the best way to get valid information.

Not hacking on ya or saying it's untrue, just a bit one-sided with the links.
 
2006-07-27 01:12:18 PM  
Silly smitty, they do have something to say. It kind of went like this: "BRAIIIIINNS"

/Window seat, please.
 
2006-07-27 01:13:34 PM  
I love how Tatsuma rejects Lebanese casualty figures while citing completely impartial *nudge nudge, wink wink* Israeli sources. That are out of date. That don't actually refer to the same operation everyone else is talking about.

If you pretend that 6 year old girls and puppies are really terrorist masterminds, of course your figures are going to make Israel look good.
 
2006-07-27 01:13:54 PM  
2006-07-27 01:02:08 PM Fecality


I dont see any of you Farkers ever complain or protest when Hezbolla fired 900 missiles into Israel after they withdrew from Lebanon last time.
Funny how the world is pretty silent when Hezbolla kills Israeli civilians, but when Israel does it then theres outrage.
Sick.


Perhaps some hold a democratic nation to a slightly higher standard than a group of murderous, terrorist thugs.

But if you're comfortable with climbing down into the same moral shiathole as Hezbollah, by all means, do it. Just don't forget your hip waders.
 
2006-07-27 01:14:14 PM  
This could all be over if Israel just does the right thing, and do a Massada II. Since teh jooos are a minority, we should just remove them from teh surface of the earth and make all those muslimbs happy. They just want to be happy after all. Why can't we let them be happy?
 
2006-07-27 01:14:16 PM  
savonola

just read that earlier today. think they even got a few operatives in gaza too. man we are living in some seriously stupid times
 
2006-07-27 01:14:24 PM  
Some additional facts and statements from the AP article for Tatsuma to completely ignore:

The Israeli military warned Lebanese in the south Thursday that their villages would be "totally destroyed" if missiles are fired from them.

In his interview with Army Radio, Ramon also said the Israeli air force must bomb villages before ground forces enter, suggesting that this would help prevent Israeli casualties in the future.

Asked whether entire villages should be flattened, he said: "These places are not villages. They are military bases in which Hezbollah people are hiding and from which they are operating."

Thousands of civilians are believed to be trapped in villages across the border region in southern Lebanon, according to humanitarian officials. Americans who escaped a village near the epicenter of the ground fighting said Wednesday many U.S. citizens were still there.
 
2006-07-27 01:14:32 PM  
I hope that Hezbolah has learned a valuable lesson. You do not fark with Israel.
 
2006-07-27 01:15:20 PM  
I thought he was dead a long time ago.
 
2006-07-27 01:16:36 PM  
Legalize It: WTF are you talking about? Summer rains? You're trying to support an outta-somebody's-ass ratio by ignoring the majority casualties that have taken place since then..

... Operation Summer Rains was the namem of the operation launched for retrieving Gilad Shalit. I'm talking about Gaza exclusively when I talked about that ratio

othan1:

Dude, have you ever read farking Ha'aretz? JPost or YNet? They are all more critical of the Israeli gov. than about any american newspaper I've ever read.


As for me, I'm off to watch "Valley of the Wolves: Iraq" because I feel like watching some anti-american, anti-semitic propaganda. I'll feel just as if I was Farking.

/kidding
//no boobies, it's not like farking
 
2006-07-27 01:16:38 PM  
Civilian casualties among the Muslims will diminish greatly when they stand and fight like men instead of hiding among civilian populations and then crying like the cowards they are to the world press when some of these civilians get hurt.
 
xdl
2006-07-27 01:17:21 PM  
Tatsuma,

Who pays you? ICIC/Hasbara Project? AIPAC? The David Project? do tell, I hear the work pays very well.
 
2006-07-27 01:17:52 PM  
Avicenna: I love how Tatsuma rejects Lebanese casualty figures while citing completely impartial *nudge nudge, wink wink* Israeli sources. That are out of date. That don't actually refer to the same operation everyone else is talking about.

For Fark's farking sake, this is a thread about GAZA. Gilad Shalit and Operation Summer Rains. I'm sticking to the farking topic.
 
2006-07-27 01:18:15 PM  
Mission accomplished
 
2006-07-27 01:18:27 PM  
xdl: Who pays you? ICIC/Hasbara Project? AIPAC? The David Project? do tell, I hear the work pays very well.

I've said it many times, if they want to contact me and offer me a job, email is in the profile!
 
2006-07-27 01:18:37 PM  
"Most jewish people of that area believe that muslim lives are worth nothing and that by dying in a war they will reach heaven"

Didn't know jews believed in heaven...???

/seriously, is it true?
 
2006-07-27 01:18:48 PM  
why is that when reports are filed on casualties in Gaza or Lebanon the sources are always un-named "officials"?
 
2006-07-27 01:18:52 PM  
NutznGum: Perhaps some hold a democratic nation to a slightly higher standard than a group of murderous, terrorist thugs.

But if you're comfortable with climbing down into the same moral shiathole as Hezbollah, by all means, do it. Just don't forget your hip waders.



It may seem ironic to quote Nietzsche in reference to Israel, but:

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

Take note, Tatsuma. You're losing a lot of credibility around here over this thing.
 
2006-07-27 01:18:57 PM  
If they run they're terrorists, if they dont run they're well disciplined terrorists!
 
2006-07-27 01:19:00 PM  
dgarg
Most jewish people of that area believe that muslim lives are worth nothing and that by dying in a war they will reach heaven.

Jews don't think that way about heaven. They don't think too much about the afterlife at all. It is a religion that is more focused on what you do in life rather than what happens afterward, if anything.

Some (a minority, but some) teach reincarnation as the fate of the soul.
 
2006-07-27 01:19:07 PM  
Mid-east Rule #1: Fark with Israel and get your head handed to you.
 
2006-07-27 01:19:12 PM  
A man to man fight would be nice. The terrorists are forced to use improvised bombs and model kit worthy rockets because they cannot match the superior firepower, numbers and training of the Israeli forces.
 
2006-07-27 01:19:16 PM  
Tat...

why would a dirty joooo want an Arab kidney for anyway....

I don't get it.
 
2006-07-27 01:19:19 PM  
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2006-07-27 01:19:21 PM  
Tatsuma [TotalFark]

What a crock of farking bullshiat. Most jews think it's a farking tragedy to kill someone. When you kill someone, it's as if you killed an entire universe.


That is the exact same thing muslims believe in. Word for word they'll say "when you kill someone, it's as if you killed an entire universe".

Unfortunately, racial prejudices and political events make it easy for people to forget these sentences. Now if I was a person defending muslims I too would say "what a crock of farking bullshiat" and then I'd quote what the religion says. However, the reality is totally different. Reality is that both groups think that the other group is worthless and is going to hell for all eternity anyway so why hold back.
 
2006-07-27 01:19:33 PM  
Interesting last note: About the same % of Lebanese and Palestinians think that the kidnappings of soldiers were a good thing

Talk about cutting your nose to spit your face off.
 
2006-07-27 01:20:20 PM  
Adman12: Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.


Awesome Farking quote ... never heard it before.

/Nietzsche was a nut job though
 
2006-07-27 01:20:34 PM  
I love how Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000 as part of the agreement, but the U.N. didn't do squat about Hezbollah to hold up its side of the bargain with its ineffective "peacekeapers," instead letting Hezbollah control south Lebanon until they crossed Israel's border, captured people, and fired rockets at Israeli villages. And when Israel responds with force, all those European nations freak out and wonder why.
 
2006-07-27 01:21:28 PM  
Mr. Clarence Butterworth

the problem with your theory is that you dont win a war or defeat your enemy using proportionate responses. your idea of going man to man would not work. why would anyone ever want to do that?
 
2006-07-27 01:21:30 PM  
I have an honest question. I think Israel has every right to defend themselves when they're attacked. The fact that much of the Arab community feels obliged to keep attacking Israelis fills me as much with despair as most reasonable people.

However, I keep thinking about something Jerzy Kosinski wrote, where if someone slaps you and it feels like a heavy blow, you protect yourself as if from a heavy blow. If someone hits you with a stick and it feels like a slap, you protect yourself as if from a slap. Although I'm sure HB would nuke Israel if they could, it seems to me like Israel is protecting itself from a slap with a sledgehammer.

I've never been to Israel and have very little idea what it's like. Can anyone enlighten me as to Israel's modus operandi?
 
2006-07-27 01:21:48 PM  
Tatsuma

Operation Summer Rains was the namem of the operation launched for retrieving Gilad Shalit. I'm talking about Gaza exclusively when I talked about that ratio

That may be what you're talking about, but what you wrote meant something completely different. ;)
 
2006-07-27 01:22:21 PM  
dgarg: That is the exact same thing muslims believe in. Word for word they'll say "when you kill someone, it's as if you killed an entire universe".

what the fark, no they won't, that's a quote from our Talmud

uselessgit: why would a dirty joooo want an Arab kidney for anyway....

we don't, we just sell it to the goys. If they don't survive for a longer time, how will we collect interests on loans?

Adman12: Take note, Tatsuma. You're losing a lot of credibility around here over this thing.

Man, you have no idea the toll it takes on me to see so many innocent civilians dying on both sides. I feel nothing for the terrorists, but for the innocents, it's tearing me apart.

Doesn't mean that I believe that Israel doesn't have a right to defend herself

All of this could stop so easily

- Give back the soldiers
- Disarm Hizbullah

That's all. All over. Peace. Not a single shot fired toward lebanon and not a single rocket shot toward Israel.
 
2006-07-27 01:22:35 PM  
2006-07-27 01:18:52 PM Adman12

Well played, sir.
 
2006-07-27 01:22:54 PM  
Mr. Clarence Butterworth: The terrorists are forced to use improvised bombs and model kit worthy rockets because they cannot match the superior firepower, numbers and training of the Israeli forces.


Bullshiat ... Arabs have been fighting like that for centuries. Stealthy raids, kidnapping, terror killings of villagers, then fading back into the desert. It is Bedouin warfare and, in this modern context, it is responsible for the deaths of these innocent women and children.
 
2006-07-27 01:24:14 PM  
Tat-

That may or may not be true, I can't argue that with that. I don't frequent those papers on a daily basis. But I am innundated with CNN and FOX and regardless of their political stance and whether I agree with them or not, I still want more sources. If "kollidge" taught me nothing else, it's to get as many sources as possible. For me, "possible" usually means four or five.

On a side note, I've never understood the hatred for Israel that people have; I just see them as a different nation like england, france, saudi arabia, etc., so anti-semite doesn't really fit here. Not saying you're inferring that, but many people do when people don't 100% agree with everything Israeli. Or is it Jewish? I thought Israel was a country and Jews were followers of Judaism.
 
2006-07-27 01:24:38 PM  
If the submitters won't (or can't) get their spelling and grammar right, couldn't whoever greenlights these things fix the most obvious mistakes, assuming they are literate enough to notice?

/and yes, get off my lawn!
 
2006-07-27 01:24:53 PM  
No one is innocent, especially the motherfarking Israelis.
 
2006-07-27 01:24:55 PM  
gopher321 [TotalFark]
Didn't know jews believed in heaven...???

/seriously, is it true?


Not a heaven heaven but more like an eternal reward as far as I know... :)
 
2006-07-27 01:25:01 PM  
dgarg...

Um, just where have you heard jooooo rabi's screaming to crowds of chanting jooos about how they must die in glory for god in killing palis? What books were written by dirty joooos that espouse this. What organizations have been created to kill muslimbs and burn down their tents? What army of hooded jooos has been goosestepping down Main St. joooland, dressing up babies with bombs and teaching children at an early age that there is no greater glory than to die for jooooooogod by killing a muslimb?

Where, cuz I can't find it.
 
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