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Everyone that says they were spanked as a child and turned out alright is obviously lying, I mean, we all ended up on this site didn't we??

I got smacked around as a kid and I am fine.
I SAID I AM FINE!

I had a babysitter who broke a wooden spoon on my ass once. Needless to say, I never saw her again. She was the SEED to my lasciviousness! *laughin’*

CheezieDanish, that's not meant literally. It's something I heard from my mom for years as a kid, but never did she ever bruise me. It's just a playful threat. I did get spanked and switched, though, but only when I was really young. My parents never got any joy out of it. The spankings I received were earned.

For older kids, like past 10 or 12, I don't think spanking would be appropriate. Most should know by that point the difference between right and wrong, and if your kids can't be controlled by that point, it means you didn't discipline them earlier.

Alls I know is that if mom started counting and got to the magic number 3.....



it was all over.

FYI: Little Stevie King was also abused by babysitters. He was once fed seven fried eggs and locked in a closet to throw up. Nice, huh? I guess that's why he's so DETSIWT.

Violence is the last resort of the wise and the first impulse of the ignorant.

Spanking results in Cardiovasular exercise in both parties, so Spanking is cool.

How about seeing if childhood spanking leads to a spanking fetish..

Somebody spank me.. please?

there is caution from child abuse researchers that corporal punishment, by its nature, can escalate into physical maltreatment

The more often or more harshly a child was hit, the more likely he or she was to grow up to become aggressive or to have mental health problems

Anyone else notice how they give a distinct, statistic-based correlation in the second quote but only a speculative correlation in the first quote?

"The act of corporal punishment itself is different across (the spectrum of) parents -- parents vary in how frequently they use it, how forcefully they administer it, how emotionally aroused they are when they do it, and whether they combine it with other techniques," she said.

Well if this is so then how can they link "spanking," this broad term that encompasses everything from corporal punishment coupled with healthy and proper guidance to outright physical abuse, to any specific type of behavior?

I personally take the stance that explaining the morality and rightness and wrongness of actions is only applicable after a certain age, when the child becomes competent enough to understand these concepts. Until that point, the only way to affect the child's behavior is through simplistic methods like spanking conditioning. That builds the correlation between doing bad things and receiving bad consequences that can be readily understood. Then the parents can supplement this with explanations later on when the child is more receptive.

That time-out stuff is just pure bs from a conditioning point of view, which was basically the concept that that the idea spawned from. Basically the reasoning was "well can we have something that's like spanking in the sense that it's negative feedback, but is more pleasant for the child." That just defeats the whole purpose. The only way for conditioning of that sort to be effective is if the negative effects are felt immediately, as any psychologist could tell you.

I haven't seen ANY proof that spanking, when done with moderation and consistency, has negative repurcussions later in life. I've seen tons of bratty kids that are the product of time-outs and other wishy-washy punishment systems, however.

<<<got spanked as a kid, but never had spanking fetishes as an adult...but still thinks its great way to promote family exercize

The psychologists always know best. You shouldn't spank your child, or expose him to violence, or sexuality, or competition, or new ideas, or music, or video games, or words, or dirt, because any or all of these things might turn your child into a psychotic sociopath who will bring a backpack full of pipe bombs to show and tell. You should lock him in a windowless room from age 5 to 18, giving him his meals on a tray through a feeding hole you sawed into the door.

Stupidity makes people violent.

Let's not spank our children anymore. Let's also not score their baseball games. And let's do our best to make them dull and uninteresting.

I never got spanked...not once in my entire life. My brother did and we are basicaly normal, I'm a whole lot meaner than he is though. Go figure. My mom only had to look like she was getting mad for me to be afraid, even though she never hit me...my brother wasn't as quick on the uptake as I was and he missed "the look" most of the time and got his ass whooped for it. Justice (that's my monsters name) gets a spanking pretty rarely, he has to be REALLY bad, I do however get a really good grip on the hair that grows right near his ear when I need to.

I don't think a person can say "one" thing or another turns a child out a certain way, I think it has to be a whole bunch of screwed up things.

The people across the street have a horrendous child, anyone care to do a little research?

:)

I was spanked but I'm not violent.

Sometimes you CAN raise a child without spanking. I say it's case-by-case. What works with some kids doesn't work with others.

But I'm not saying spanking is wrong. It's not.

"Many studies have been done but the findings vary."

Each kid is unique.
What works on one may not on another.
THINK ABOUT IT !

TRUST ME on this one.
Even though I have no kids of my own.

DuskyOstrich said:
"Everyone that says they were spanked as a child and turned out alright is obviously lying, I mean, we all ended up on this site didn't we??"

Ah, touche.

I think it's ludicrious that so called doctors actually believe a single factor so influences adult behavior anyway. Like Nemebabe said, I don't see there being any way it's less than a lot of different influences. This is like saying eating skittles when you're little makes you grow up to be obese.

Not spanking any kid ever? Horsesh|t. Mierda de caballo. Just another whiny liberal PC attack on the family.

I'm running low on Corona over here.

Thats why they should use a wooden spoon, the spoon builds a presence for itself in the childs young fragile mind. The Spoon is always there, waiting, watching... for its next victim.

Spoon, there is no spoon.

spanking makes children vindictive and angry, what ya gotta do is beat the living hell out of them, that'll show them.

I keep a paddle hanging on the wall and just point to it every time the young uns get out of line.

If you earn your childs respect you shouldn't have to spank them because if they respect you, they will do the right thing.

But, be warned, there is a fine line between respect and fear. Fear will do just the opposite and cause resentment.

I sometimes wish they came with a manual......I like manuals.

When I was young and my mother was going to spank me I would hug her real tight at the waist so she couldn't bend over and hit my arse.

"Grover Cleveland spanked me on two non-consecutive occasions."

I was spanked. In fact, I used to have to go get "the belt" myself and give it to my dad. It didn't screw me up too much! There is a difference between spanking and "beating". Problem is, some parents don't know the difference. I still feel that spanking is not necessary. I did "pop" my kids on the butt a few times when they were young, but never a real spanking.

JOHNDX......you're right, it's all about respect as well as love and trust (it has to go both ways, too).

If you force your children to eat vegetables, they will grow up to be violent criminals. I can prove this because a large number of violent criminals at one time were children and forced to eat vegetables and therefore there is a correlation between vegetables and violent behavior.

Also, if your children have a pet, they will kill people. Many killers at one time had pets when they were children.

I was spanked as a child. I routinely punch holes in walls when I'm angry. Getting better though. At least I don't slash the woodwork with knives anymore. Oddly enough, when i'm around my parents it's worse.

After reading all these posts it has dawned on me that spanking is wrong. Could someone please tell me what to do the next time my 2 year old tries to touch the hot stove.

Eh. My parents spanked my siblings and me. I don't remember the times when I deserved it, but I do remember the times when I didn't or when they went way overboard. Bruised to the point where I couldn't sit for 3 days because I wore the wrong pair of pants to do yardwork? Not so good. Neither was getting thrown UP a flight of stairs. Or the black eye.

Yeah, my parents had some problems with "limits". Even so, I think spanking works wonders.

I'm never having kids though. Hell no.

Hey, its your right to spank your own children! But if you so much as touch my kids, I will haul your nads to the nearest vice...

mikey65: let him.

I did. The boys to dumb not to do it again unless I smack his hand away.

I find it amazing that people who think it's OK to spank children feel that they turned out "OK" and are non-violent. Sheesh. It's like a child molestor who grows up, has a productive job, pays taxes and molests children saying..."Molestation doesn't cause any problems. I turned out OK."

These people (I have trouble mustering any more than "people" for them, as I don't regard them so much as my parents so much as souless shiatstains) also referred to me as a "pile of shiat" and various other fun stuff when I was young. I was afraid to tell them problems because they'd simply ridicule me or punish me for them. (ie, when i was upset at like 8 or so because i was called "fat" at school, they told me maybe "if i lost some farking weight that wouldn't happen" (keep in mind this is from two people who are both obese and have been on and off many expensive diets) When, at age 10 or something, I started fighthing back if they tried to abuse me physically, they simply would remove all entertainment I had for several months. I had no TV for most of my childhood and resorted to stealing books and radios from libraries and stores to keep from going insane from the boredom (didn't work).

Now all the shiatheads out there probably say i deserved it and that i'm a bad person, but guess what. I recently went to college and had a total of zero "violent episodes" as they call them. I moved back in for the summer and smashed a hole in my wall within a couple days.

All this from people who supposedly call themselves "christians". Maybe if these morons spent less time with religious diatribe and more time actually caring about and for thier kids, there wouldn't be unstable people like me walking around. I've already decided not to marry. I doubt I'd be stable enough to trust myself around someone for extended periods of time like that.

I realize this rant has gone off the topic somewhere, but I'm still quite angry and just need to blow off the f'n steam.

I was spanked. In fact, I used to have to go get "the belt" myself and give it to my dad. It didn't screw me up too much!

Ha! My pops did the same thing!! Or "Go get a switch from that tree boy!"

Everytime I got my ass whipped, I deserved it. . I'm not a violent person at all today.

Only been in one fight in my lifetime. With my cousin...dumbass...

Oh yeah, and once I punched a friend who was drunk and wanted to steal a car...

His exact words..."What man, you think I'm wrong?!? Hit me then, go ahead!" *SMACK* busted his mouth wide open and he bled like a pig! He didn't go steal the car, he sobered up in the emergency room...10 stitches.

Oh, the moments of our youth

Edicara,
Your post makes no sense at all?

Meek,
Thats right blame all Christians because you had bad parents.

"You have the right to spank your children"

...Ever think about what the children want? They are miniature human beings, NOT your property.

When did I blame Christians for having bad parents?

I'll thank you to read my post through before ascribing your prefabricated opinions to me.

(Key phrase is "supposedly call themselves Christians" for all of wanks with selective reading disorder)

Children want to run around in public, talk back, hit the wall with hammers, wake their siblings, play in the road, steal their uncles cigarettes.... Should I go on? There is a difference in what kids want and what kids need.

Meek,
Sorry. Thats right blame all supposed Christians because you had bad parents.

Meek: "They are miniature human beings, NOT your property."

I feel sorry for your kids. Buy them whatever they want, never spank them, then when they're 16 and you can't keep them from using heroin in the livingroom don't come crying to me.

Discipline is one of the ways you show your children that you love them. Do you have kids, Meek? Well, they are not your property but they are your responsibility. And God help them if you don't love them enough to gently and consistantly discipline them. Otherwise they will know you don't give a damn about them and they'll act like kids whom noone gives a damn about.

If you don't have children then, excuse me but, what the hell do you know about it?

The average spanking probably doesn't produce the effects most adults think it does, primarily because it's mostly something adults do to kids to make themselves feel better, like they really taught their kid a lesson or something. Mostly it's just parents physically venting their anger at their kids.