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2006-07-25 04:14:31 PM
Brew78: If video games affected kids that badly, wouldn't it have shown up for us Children of the 80's? Wouldn't we be hanging out in dark areas listening to repetitive electric music and eating little pills?

oh, wait..


If you're not going to cite, at least use "quotation marks"
 
2006-07-25 04:15:30 PM
Yep, parents have nothing to do with it.
 
2006-07-25 04:15:32 PM
I play video games.

I like to inflict pain and suffering on others.

I also like to burn and break stuff.

/come on, there's always been retards in the world.
//I blame it on ... school. School makes people violent! XD
///And democrats too. They make people violent. Just think! 20 years ago you could grab a chick's ass and get away with it, now you get sued to hell and back :D Thanks dems! :D
 
2006-07-25 04:15:42 PM
I liked the world better when listening to Iron Maiden (and the subliminal messages) made kids kill each other.

/Turns up "Run to the hills"
 
2006-07-25 04:16:36 PM
guys, guys. turn on your sarcasm detectors. subby was being sarcastic. the ALL CAPS AND LOTS OF EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!! should have clued you in.
 
2006-07-25 04:16:53 PM
"
So, if its not the video games or the bad parents or the godless schools, then why are the kids so farked up today anyway?

That's easy!

They aren't.

Every generation thinks that. And it isn't true. The media makes crazy kids more accessible, but that's about it."

No, I truly think that there IS something different about today's teenagers. I am a business owner and after having fired my last one several weeks ago I won't hire another one. I've had what was deemed to be the "best of the bunch" several times and they always pan out to be coddled little sissies who can't deal AT ALL with ANY hardship or the realities of the business world. Their coping skills are simply non-existent and they're totally unprepared for any "real world" hardships. I honestly believe that this is because they're coddled at home and have never been tackled in their buddy's front yard or pushed to the pavement while playing baseball in the street because they were inside being falsely stimulated by today's myriad of technology. The stuff that they pull (and remember, this is the best of the bunch I'm talking about) would've been simply unspeakable for me and my friends and we were seen as pretty restless teens. This was just a decade ago, something is definitely in the water nowadays. Just ten or fifteen years ago we had only a small range of video games (and they were mostly non-violent), no internet, no cell phones, and just a couple dozen TV channels. For entertainment we WENT OUTSIDE AND PLAYED IN LARGE GROUPS, just like many generations before us. You simply don't see that today. This generation IS different. And not in a good way.
 
2006-07-25 04:16:57 PM
xenkylm, biggest redneck

I'm going to have to agree. I'm 35, and when I was growing up the Super NES was the hottest thing around. My best friend had one, and from time to time I would sleep over at his house and we would play it for hours at a time (Rush'n'Attack!).

But most of the time we were outside, climbing trees, playing games we made up ourselves, or making model airplanes and blowing them up with fireworks. If it was raining, we'd play board games or run around in his basement.

Maybe it was his mom who wouldn't let us play video games all the time, but I don't remember really wanting to. I remember all of the amazingly fun times we had building treeforts in the woods, blowing stuff up, running around like fools, and organizing football or baseball games with the other kids in the area.

I look at my 14-year-old nephew. He has an XBox and always the latest Gameboy. If he isn't playing his Gameboy, he's reading about games in Nintendo Power magazine. In the car, in the house, sitting in front of the TV...he's playing or reading. His parents have to threaten him to get him to do any chores. And this is a smart kid, who was acting in college theatrical productions when he was younger (he recently dropped out of one because he said he just wasn't having fun).

When he gets done with school, he hangs out with his friends (also all smart kids, in an accelerated program) for an hour or two, and then comes home and IMs with them some more before dinner.

When his friends come over, they all disappear into the basement to play XBox.

I bought the kid Legos for the last few Christmases, and some Este's model rockets, which he saw on TV and thought looked "awesome." He couldn't be bothered to take the time to build the model rocket, even with me sitting there helping him. The Legos got built, as per the instructions in the box, and never touched again.

I really really worry about the kids growing up right now. Not that I think it's bad that they are different, just that their lives seem to have so few "real" experiences in them.
 
2006-07-25 04:17:25 PM
Swtfrk: What computer game is that screenshot from? I remember playing it at least ten years ago, but I don't recall the name. It's driving me nuts!

Aw crap, now I feel old. I shoveled countless quarters into that thing. 20 years ago. In an arcade. Arcades were these buildings full of video games. And you had to go to them if you wanted to play video games.
 
2006-07-25 04:17:36 PM
Jerry L. Ross, 40, New Albany, was killed by a gunshot while traveling on I-65 just north of Seymour, and Robert Otto Hartl, 25, Audubon, Iowa, was treated after being hit by gunfire near the same location. The men were in southbound pickup trucks, and both shootings occurred at about 12:30 a.m.

Interstate-65: the darkest, dankest, twist-and-turns-from-Hell road that I have ever driven on.

/Semi-threadjack off
 
2006-07-25 04:17:36 PM
ok nevermind, no exclamation points. but the OMFG should be a clue.
 
2006-07-25 04:18:27 PM
baby_hewey
Ya know, I seem to remember back in my day when people started blaming a game on some stupid kid doing something stupid, hmmm what game was that. oh yea it was Dungons & Dragons.

My dad wouldn't let me play because he thought it was satanic. I brought home one of the books so he could see for himself. After reading it he said "I was wrong. But are you sure you want to play this? It looks boring."
 
2006-07-25 04:18:50 PM
tonesskin

So it's quite possible that every generation is right in their perception that the next is worse and despite occasional improvements societies inevitable follow the magical swirly ride into the toilet...

That's why we need some objective measures. Such as crime. Which is still on a downward trend.


As every society and government on earth has collapsed, given enough time, I don't find the last couple decades moderate decrease in crime sufficient proof that the US has established an eternal utopia, or that the social decay isn't continuing at a macro level.

I'd suggest the suicide rate is probably more telling.
 
2006-07-25 04:19:01 PM
Madheretic WTF is wrong with these teenagers? Are they stupid enough to think that killing people somehow makes them "cool?"
Cool is relative......
Example, try to name three people from columbine high school.
 
2006-07-25 04:20:32 PM
I play video games - used to love Mario Kart.

My favorite line in the video game defense is that just because I love playing Mario Kart doesn't mean I like driving real fast and throwing bananas at peoples cars.

/Everyone likes Mario Kart
 
2006-07-25 04:20:41 PM
I believe the game in question is Dragons Lair.
 
2006-07-25 04:21:22 PM
It all boils down to shoddy parenting. Latch-key kids need more supervision.

But they can't be supervised, cause Mom and Dad have to work several jobs to pay for the $200,000 mortgage they have out on their 1 bedroom house in the suburbs.

Not to mention that they spend $150 a week on gas to get to said jobs.

But no.....it's the video games, not the parenting, or lack there of....
 
2006-07-25 04:22:48 PM
otakucode: Don't let the fact that the core audience of videogames now is adults in their late 20s to early 30s.

I'm 38 and play every day. Sure I'm single and haven't been laid in months but I'm sure the video games have nothing to do with that.
 
2006-07-25 04:23:33 PM
Example, try to name three people from columbine high school.

Those two pussies and one of their victims.

As every society and government on earth has collapsed, given enough time, I don't find the last couple decades moderate decrease in crime sufficient proof that the US has established an eternal utopia, or that the social decay isn't continuing at a macro level.

Good point:

OUR MORALS ARE GONNNNEEEEEE!

Teenagers annoy me, but they don't seem any different today than when I was a teen.
 
2006-07-25 04:24:14 PM
"There's gusts of lead coming up Sunset..."
 
2006-07-25 04:24:23 PM
This game kept me off drugs.

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Why can't there be any positive anti-drug, anti-sniping ninjas for America's youth to look up to in the 21st century? Instead, we have kidz campin all our d00ds in the base.

/...aaaaaaaaaaaaaand the sarcasm is off
//but is it ever off?
///at least he's not a slasher!!
 
2006-07-25 04:25:20 PM
Beer Nutz: Sure I'm single and haven't been laid in months but I'm sure the video games have nothing to do with that.

that's the ONE thing videogames CAN get the blame for.
 
2006-07-25 04:25:30 PM
users.adelphia.net

I believe this was the game in question if I'm not mistaken.
 
2006-07-25 04:25:36 PM
video games can cause violence just like smoking can cause cancer. just because you smoke doesn't mean you'll be dead in 10 years, but the odds are greater than if you didn't smoke. the science is pretty clear on the fact that violent video games increase aggression, it's just that the video game industry has more power than the scientists to persuade you otherwise.

I request the names, etc. of published studies which support this view, which probably need to include long term studies and controlled studies with decent statistical analysis.
 
2006-07-25 04:26:20 PM
baby_hewey: Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but my 8yo is already trying to find a good college to goto to study robotics. He loves to play Mechwarror 3 on his computer and wants to build his own. He seems to like the Vulture and the Madcat, but I am getting him sold on the idea of the Jaguar.


I allways prefered the Jenner II-C, outfitted with 2 extra dual heat-sinks, improved jump-jets, 4 sets of LLR lasers (linked up in pairs), and 2 sets of LRM's for sniping. But thats just me. Wait, thats Mechwarior 2: Ghost Bears Legacy.

revance: I say 3 days.
2 days if he turns out to be a video game addict.


I give it 6 hours, maybe 7 if the kid had never played a video-game in his life and was, in fact, Amish.
 
2006-07-25 04:26:43 PM
www.penny-arcade.com
 
2006-07-25 04:26:45 PM
Apt Pupil Spoiler Warning

Godwin'd? I only mentioned the story because the end scene is familiar to the article's subject. That the short story has anything to do with Nazis is irrelevant.
 
2006-07-25 04:27:12 PM
the science is pretty clear on the fact that violent video games increase aggression, it's just that the video game industry has more power than the scientists to persuade you otherwise.

I don't see much effort on the part of the video game industry to "convince" people. They don't really need to. It's only a tiny (vocal) minority of people that are complaining.
 
2006-07-25 04:27:19 PM
What does Japanese porn have to do with this?

/On Snap I said that out loud didn't I?
 
2006-07-25 04:28:15 PM
LegacyDL,

Is it wrong of me to be thinking that Barbie can do the mission on my Royal Jewels any time?

/Do a GIS for Barbie or even better Barbie Twins
//Uh, if you are at work make sure safe search is on!
///Well if Safe Search is on you might not get my comments.
 
2006-07-25 04:30:10 PM
i'll pull this old argument out...

so, what video games did Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Napoleon, Augustus, the entire populations of the United States, Germany, Canada, Mexico, Spain, France, Russia, Ukraine, Poland, England, Norway, China, Japan, etc. etc. etc.

play?

/violence is hardwired into humans
//violence is hardwired into animals in general
///nothing can cause violence, except humans/animals
////nothing can prevent violence, except humans/animals
//a video game is about as effective as a twig
 
2006-07-25 04:30:50 PM
Reyals
Cool is relative......
Example, try to name three people from columbine high school.


huh.... because some people will remember the names of those 2 twisted farks makes them cool. Are you some sort of Moran?
 
2006-07-25 04:31:06 PM
WarpZone
whats the big deal? just require all kids to wear a HEV suit and keep them fully charged.

Pardon me if I don't want to get dusted by some newbie who overcharges the Gauss Gun.
 
2006-07-25 04:32:17 PM
baby_hewey

Woah I never knew they made barbies like that.
 
2006-07-25 04:33:18 PM
 
2006-07-25 04:33:35 PM
NYMoogle: I'm amazed that no one has blamed marijuana for youth violence.

you've not been in any of the pot threads a_mighty_wind has posted in have you?
 
2006-07-25 04:34:28 PM
Two hours later, a semi was hit by gunfire on I-69 near Muncie, and an unoccupied pickup truck was hit nearby in the same area. No one was injured in those shootings.

I guess it's safe to say he plays console shooters

/went there
 
2006-07-25 04:34:29 PM
the biggest redneck here: I've had what was deemed to be the "best of the bunch" several times and they always pan out to be coddled little sissies who can't deal AT ALL with ANY hardship or the realities of the business world.

I caught an episode of 60 Minutes that interviewed the latest generation of US workers a few months ago.

They found that many of these young adults hadn't been prepared to cope with a competitive workplace environment at all. In their world, everyone gets a trophy in competitive sports. They literally couldn't cope with being forced to recognize their own inadequacies, couldn't cope with not being constantly reassured that they're doing their best, literally couldn't survive in the business world as we know it.

Yet these same kids thought they were doing good. They thought they were the best at what they do. They didn't understand why that mean old boss wouldn't constantly reassure them that they were doing a good job. They didn't understand why that mean old boss wanted them to produce results, instead of simply dishing out warm fuzzies.

Some kids are going to be able to adapt. But man... there's a hell of a lot who are going to be stuck working at a retail store for the rest of their life.
 
2006-07-25 04:35:32 PM
I remember when they blamed books. Then cartoons (I remember seeing a special on how dangerous "Transformers" and "GI Joe" was). Then movies. Then board games (DnD, Ouiji). Then video games. Wait ... I forgot the music. Yeah, that too. We must coddle our children so they don't ever get hurt or offended!

/stupid/
 
2006-07-25 04:35:52 PM
Rakishi: I request the names, etc. of published studies which support this view, which probably need to include long term studies and controlled studies with decent statistical analysis.

Oh come on, what about common sense? Provide me some names, etc. of published studies to support the view that fire is hot and that boobies are fun to look at.
 
2006-07-25 04:36:48 PM
Rakishi: I request the names, etc. of published studies which support this view, which probably need to include long term studies and controlled studies with decent statistical analysis.


Furthermore, I would like to see a study on a group where violence leves were measured beforehand and after exposure to videogames. Also, I would like to see comparisons on time spent with parent, familly history of mental illness/famillial predisposition to violence and levels of discipline and parental guidelines for good/bad behavior.

Or, I have a simple solution: Enact a law that forbids the selling of mature rated games to people under 18, T rated games to people under 13, etc. Make the penalty equivelant to that of selling tobacco to a minor, and further include an implied consent clause in all videogame EULAs stating that if purchased for someone under the reccomended age, the purchaser accepts all responsibility for the ensuing actions and frees the publisher/devloper/retailer/etc. from any liability.
 
2006-07-25 04:38:07 PM
Maybe it's because many places kids used to play in have been torn down and turned into Wal-Marts, thus making the closest option extremely far away. And parents don't like to drive and watch their kids play for two hours, because they'd rather be watching TV.

Maybe it's because when I was 16 my friends and I were trying to play basketball at night. The city forgot to turn the lights on, so we turned on our cars and played with the headlights on. Cops came and tried to arrest us.
 
2006-07-25 04:38:44 PM
After reading the complete article, I've come to the conclusion that monosodium glutamate from fast-food consumption is to blame.
 
2006-07-25 04:38:54 PM
biggest redneck here:never would've thought that I would say this five years ago, but I in fact DO believe that video games are playing a large role in making kids of today the technology-stimulated pussies they are. I can't remember the last time I saw kids actually playing outside. In my day (I just turned 27) we couldn't wait to go run outside and would stay out as late as possible. Every day of the year, without fail. I live in a neighborhood with lots of homes and I can't remember the last time I saw a baseball or football game in the street. I think it was when I actually played in one fifteen years ago. Video games are a crutch that parents rely on to "babysit" their kids for them and a lot of them are overly violent. It sounds like a "grandpa-type" response, but television, the internet, video games, and cell phones are all responsible for today's kids being so damn wierd, lazy, and violent (behind parents leaning on and supplying those devices, of course).

I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture.

If games have replaced playing outdoors for many kids right now, it's because of society becoming too paranoid for kids to run around like we did when we were that age.

I live in a pretty small rural town. Crime is basically non-existent here, yet everyone is so paranoid that nobody goes out. I send my kids (who are 9 and 10, more than old enough to be able to do something like that) over to the park across the street and someone calls the police because there were "young children running around unsupervised". I used to ride my bike for miles to go play at the baseball field when I was younger than that.

Parents have been shocked and scared into believing that any time their kids go out to play some predator from the internets is going to get them, the turrists are going to blow them up, they'll get skin cancer from the sun, or whatever. It's not that parents suck, it's that society has changed for the worse since to be so paranoid that it doesn't allow parents to parent and kids to be kids. It's not video games and gadgets that are the problem, they're just substitute that people have picked up now that it's supposedly not safe to go outdoors anymore.
 
2006-07-25 04:39:45 PM
sizzam: Oh come on, what about common sense? Provide me some names, etc. of published studies to support the view that fire is hot and that boobies are fun to look at.


Common sense also says that light can't be a particle AND a wave at the same time, yet it is. Show some numbers or stfu.
 
2006-07-25 04:40:20 PM
www.penny-arcade.com
 
2006-07-25 04:40:41 PM
Why do people always blame video games anyways?

It's lame. They put ratings on these games for a REASON. The industry has done what they can, now it's in the parents hands. Just teach the kids that 1UPs don't apply to real life, and all is peachy.

Of course, I'm saying this and grew up on Quake, Area 51, and Unreal Tournament. My brother's a bit different.. he grew up on Day of Defeat and now owns a Mauser rifle and a Mosan Nagant rifle (life imitates art?).
 
2006-07-25 04:42:13 PM
Pfern: My favorite line in the video game defense is that just because I love playing Mario Kart doesn't mean I like driving real fast and throwing bananas at peoples cars.


I don't know, man. Throwing bananas and driving fast are both lots of fun....
 
2006-07-25 04:42:14 PM
AtomicPenguin:
If games have replaced playing outdoors for many kids right now, it's because of society becoming too paranoid for kids to run around like we did when we were that age.


That's for fear of the previous generation of slightly-more-screwed-up-than-the-last people are waiting to kidnap and molest the kids.

Hmmm...if I think about it, I believe that society has been going downhill ever since....the hippy movement.

/damn hippies
 
2006-07-25 04:42:54 PM
www.gizoogle.com

NOW DO YOU SEE WHAT VIDEO GAMES ARE DOING THESE DAYS?!

/Won't somebody please think of the children?
 
2006-07-25 04:43:24 PM
Rikishi and others who would be interested...

From a political standpoint, play games. Sheesh. Leave me alone. But there are several studies considering video game violence.

Some of them are pretty weak. For instance, some studies really would consider Super Mario Brothers to be a "violent game."

Some people will find reasons to say, "OMG, THESE STUDIES ALL SUCKZZZZ." I've read the report, and while it goes against my political and moral opinions about the topic, the studies are pretty good. Even in causal studies looking at short-term aggression.

For a great review, go to Google Scholar and search for Donnerstein and Linz. They have done a lot of work on the topic. Note, that Linz is a big "pro-pornography" guy in his research, as well.
 
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