Total Farceur

That's terrible. But they lived in a border town. I know I certainly wouldn't have stuck around there, if I had been there to begin with.

WTF? The Israelis that died also live in border towns, why didn't they get the fark out? It's their fault isn't it?

Also the two Israeli soldiers that got kidnapped, it's their fault for being posted at the border too right?

Crappetite: It's not. Only when those people whose goal is the extermination of all jews realized that Israelis are not going to sit back and accept their own eradication will this cycle of violence stop.

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Haven't we been saying this for 60 years now?

And why couldn't Israel just have used their world-class special forces to get their soldiers back in a covert operation? Then, to send a message, have Mossad assassinate several key Hezbollah officials. Cleaner, cheaper, more effective, and they don't have people criticizing them about civilian casualties.

2006-07-16 06:19:03 PM czarangelus

Wow. The ignorance of that post is staggaring. Were you born in the 90's and never read a history book?

Yankees Team Gynecologist: There must be a stretch of uninhabited, unused land in Montana or North Dakota somewhere the size of Israel.

I can tell you right now that the people of Montana and North Dakota would NOT be cool with the US moving 7 million Jews into their land.

Come on, people. THINK!

Alunan: This is 100% Israel's fault. The end. Olmert is bombing Lebanon not so they will do something about it, but so he isn't perceived as weak on now unfortunately routine incidents. If he really expected Lebanon to do something about it, he wouldnt have carpet bombed Beirut and all the infrastructure.

It's 100% Israel's fault that several of it's soldiers were killed and two kidnapped?

I feel sorry for all people that want to simply live their life and love their families and have to deal with war, where ever on this globe they exist. Leaders of all countries should be elected and held to only hold this ideal.

Gee, isn't it funny how Al Qaeda kills nearly 3,000 people and pretty much the whole of America gets pissed off alongside Canada, OUR FRIENDS, but when 8 Canadians get killed by Israelis, you farking assholes make jokes over it?

To each and every single person cracking jokes over these poor folks, I hope you each choke on parasite-laden turds. This shiat makes me ashamed to be an American. fark you guys.

Hooray for the Bush Doctrine!

Iran is.

vegetable raygun: I'm sick of you people criticizing Israel... After all, they are using American aircraft and bombs. :(


That is very true. The Jewish lobby has a strong hold on Congress not to mention the media. The US sold missles, tanks, and ships to Israel/the British gave them the technology to build the bomb. The media says that soldiers were "kidnapped"-they were not. They are POW's. "Kidnapped" has a more negative meaning for the Palestinians.

We are going to get dragged into another war. If it does happen-they will renact the draft. I am not going to die over a worthless piece of desert.

The jews need to realize that the Arab/Muslim world is insane and just move. Integrate into Europe and the U.S.

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Vandal7000


OK. this has been bothering me for a while and I haven't been able to find an answer, so I'll ask here. If Judea was the good Jewish Kingdom of the south, the one that obeyed god and weren't subjected to the Babylonian Captivity, why did they choose Israel, the bad Northerners, as the name for the new country?
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Because the tribe of Judah are a bunch of shiat asses. It's basically comprised of nothing more than priests, scribes, and pharases. It's conspired to lay claim to the whole of Israel even to the extent that it would supply arms to an invading force in return for protection from that invading force which caused the other eleven tribes to be forced out of what was Israel.

Koalaesq: OMG- the anti-semitism in this thread is farking rampant. It's scary, man. And you ASK why Jews are paranoid? look at yourselves!

Hating Israel's recent aggression (it may have started out as self defense, at this point it's pretty far beyond that) and indiscriminate bombing is the same as hating Jews? Did you even get out of the sixth grade?

I'm in favor of protecting Jews, just not Israel or anyone who supports its military policies (which have finally met the definition of terrorism, when they started killing civilians to terrorize them into chasing off Hezbollah).

Koalaesq

Israel said get away from the areas it would be bombing, not leave the country entirely.

I think after what 6 years of lobbing rockets into Israel, the Hezbollah can also claim they gave fair warning for the Israelis to "get away from the areas it would be rocketing".

there will always be attacks against Israel, the difference is whether the attackers have rockets or rocks.

Koalaesq You're saying that there's some contradiction between me claiming to understand an evil PoV while claiming that I'm not evil? I don't follow, or you could spell it out for me.

It's not really a leap to see the thought process of
"The Jewish state murders people without a care so long as they're non-jews"
to
"Yey, holocaust!"
, so long as you imagine that in the mind of an evil person who can't grasp the concept of not everyone in a race being identical.

untrustworthy: You really think 7 million Jews should move to those places? Do you even think they'd be accepted? That's one of the reasons the zionists wanted Israel so bad. That way they'd have a place of their own, rather than being at the mercy of the people that control the land they live on.

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And they're accepted where they are?

BTW, do you even know how Israel was formed? At first they (for the most part) bought the land that was already under control of someone else (Ottoman Empire, then Britain). I'm going a step further and saying that a) they should've bought land somewhere else, somewhere more safe, if they were smart, and b) the UN should've officially granted them the land in this new place as a sovereign country. Instead they went back to be smack-dab in the middle of people who've hated them for hundreds of years. Yeah, it's their historic homeland, but the vast majority of them had never even seen the place in their lifetime before they moved there, and if your number one goal is survival and protection then you might as well forgo the whole historical/religious crap.

Did I get that right or were 14 Canadian's living in the same home there?

Were they doing lawn work or something?

/going to hell
//don't care
///If you would rather live in Lebanon than Canada, that says something.

This is bullshiat...

Israel bombs a Gaza Strip beach, kills 8 civilians and then has the audacity to WONDER why two of its soldiers were captured?

It then attacks Lebanon, killing hundreds of civilians, and now eight OF MY COUNTRYMEN?

Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, of this there is no doubt. But Israel is a perfect example of state-sponsored terror, and Im sickened that anyone condones this madness.

Porker: That is very true. The Jewish lobby has a strong hold on Congress not to mention the media. The US sold missles, tanks, and ships to Israel/the British gave them the technology to build the bomb. The media says that soldiers were "kidnapped"-they were not. They are POW's. "Kidnapped" has a more negative meaning for the Palestinians.

Actually I think France had more to do with building the reactor in Dimona then the British.


The jews need to realize that the Arab/Muslim world is insane and just move. Integrate into Europe and the U.S.

Right... Because other countries have been so inviting to Jews through the last couple millenia.

Dammit. here is that </b> I was looking for.

Who's fault is it?

If Hezbollah had not been kidnapping soldiers and firing rockets into civilian areas inside Israel proper, none of this would be happening.

untrustworthy: I can tell you right now that the people of Montana and North Dakota would NOT be cool with the US moving 7 million Jews into their land.

Come on, people. THINK!

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And the Arabs ARE cool with it?

Look at a farking map of Montana or North Dakota. The current residents wouldn't even have to see them at all. They'd be in the middle of nowhere.

Crappetite: Good point. But is still seems that everybody place the onus of middle east peace on Israel. Every so often Israel is forced to make grandios military stands kill hundreds of uninvolved civilians to discourage others who want them eradicated.

Fixed that for you.

bostonguy: If Hezbollah had not been kidnapping soldiers and firing rockets into civilian areas inside Israel proper, none of this would be happening.

Yeah right. Israel would just have found a different excuse.

2006-07-16 06:28:51 PM Vin Diesel [TotalFark]

Hating Israel's recent aggression (it may have started out as self defense, at this point it's pretty far beyond that) and indiscriminate bombing is the same as hating Jews?

Pretty much in his mind. Basically anyone critical of anything that Israel does gets the label. It's sort of lost its meaning, so I really wouldn't worry about it too much.

If you're a Jew or someone else who wants to help defend Israel, here's a list of ways to help the IDF:

http://www.mahal2000.com/links/soldiers.htm

(Sorry, I don't know how to put links into HTML here.)

Mrbogey

Keep up. The people killed at the beach were found to be killed by non-Israeli weaponry.

No the Israeli military found that the people killed at the beach were killed by non-Israeli weaponry, everybody else (the locals, local police) found they were killed by Israeli weaponry.

Take your pick which side you want to believe.

It always seems to come back to people disagreeing about the invisible man in the sky. Our refusal to let go of these silly superstitions is the main thing keeping us from evolving any further as a species. Perhaps the aliens would save us, if we deserved it. Nope, we're still just a bunch of barbarians :(

MrBogey

Oh really?

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article754405.ece

Crappetite: But is still seems that everybody place the onus of middle east peace on Israel.

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100 years ago, when Zionism started kicking in, there was no Israel, not even a Jewish homeland. There were a relative handful of Jews living there, but it was by no means "Jew Country." It took action by them to install themselves where they are.

I'm blaming the Zionists back then, not Israel today. And I'm not even blaming those Zionists from a justice standpoint, instead from a common-sense standpoint. It's not WRONG to make a crappy decision, but it can be stupid.

czarangelus

Yeah right. Israel would just have found a different excuse.

Give me a break. Israel has never fought an offensive war. Israel has always reacted defensively in response to others attacking it.

If other people stopped attacking Israel, the Middle East would be at peace. If Israel stopped defending itself, Israel would be destroyed.

I don't know why everyone is freaked out about this. The article headline clearly says that 8 Cdns were killed.

Not Canadians. Cdns.

Get your facts straight, people.

If Canada was allowed to play by the same rules as Israel...Shouldn't Canada be bombing Israel right now? With 4 times the force?

Israel bombs a Gaza Strip beach, kills 8 civilians and then has the audacity to WONDER why two of its soldiers were captured?

That would make perfect sense if it were not for the fact that the soldiers were captured FIRST.

Once again, over the last 60 years it still comes down to the fact that when Israel is attacked and defends itself the world blames them for provoking their neighbors with their Jewness.

After all, if they weren't jewish, there wouldn't be a problem, now would there.

czarangelus All you people supporting Israel. Tell me this. How is this bombardment, that has killed hundreds of Lebanese civilians and displaced tens of thosuand of others, going to cause a reduction in violence?

Terrorists keep stabbing Israel, and they're going to get bloody. Do you expect them to stand there, Ghandi style, and let the attacks come unopposed?

How is terrorists firing rockets into Israel going to cause a reduction in violence? Oh wait, it's not, terrorists don't want peace, they want death to Israel.

I had a friend in college who, after 9/11, said "9/11 wasn't the end. More attacks will come." Another friend, before 9/11, said to me "That's the thing about us middle easterners - you just hear 'Allah'! and then you blow up."

Tell me something. Do you think that Allah will do anything to the reactions of the people that terrorists kill, or do you think that they'll react to you the way you would if roles were reversed? And how many times do you think you/they can roll those dice without seeing snake eyes?

Here's a tip: if you're angry with the west for old business between you and westerners, don't lash out at random civilians. It's lose / lose. Instead, find out who today is the heir to previous injustices. Both among westerners and arabs. Take them to the cleaners. Otherwise you're just beating your head against a wall.

People live in Lebanon for whatever reason. It is not up to them to move from a conflict that they did not start. Innocent deaths are what prevent me from accepting many wars. If Isreal is really as "good" as they say they are, then they'd cut down on civilian targets. But meh, that'll never happen.

/visiting family could be for many reasons, such as caring for elderly

cretinbob: These are Israelis, not Jews. Yes while pretty much all Israelis are Jews, all Jews are not Israelis. It is important to note that. These are not the white European Jews who were slaughtered by Hitler.


You are absolutely right! My error for not being precise. What I meant was, that because the state of Israel is founded on the Jewish religion, has supported an active program of enticing Jewish people to emigrate there, and, if I'm not mistaken, you have to be Jewish to participate in politics in Israel; I feel that it is reasonable to have expected that the Jewish/Israeli people would have a more in depth understanding of the importance of tolerance and not eradicating innocent people.

Someone explain to me why the socialists are so much in favor of the totalitarian anti-gay, anti-freedom, anti-woman Arab states one of these days.

I don't get it, except that socalists are almost always wrong so I guess that they had to pick the wrong side to keep that trend.

Thanks guys, now go stone some girl for losing her virginity before marriage or something like your heros.

czarangelus


Some Islamic nation just needs to give Israel a solid biatchslap, and they'll run home with their tails between their legs. The psychology of Israeli foreign policy is inherently cowardence - attack and occupy countries that can't stand up to them. Like any bully, socking them in the face and knocking them flat is the only solution

Just like in 48, and in 67, and in 73...

bostonguy: If other people stopped attacking Israel, the Middle East would be at peace. If Israel stopped defending itself, Israel would be destroyed.

Right. Because Hezbollah was like three hours from destroying all of Israel. Dude, if they could, they would have by now.

trancemission: It always seems to come back to people disagreeing about the invisible man in the sky. Our refusal to let go of these silly superstitions is the main thing keeping us from evolving any further as a species. Perhaps the aliens would save us, if we deserved it. Nope, we're still just a bunch of barbarians :(

No, it's not. First of all, apparently both Islam and Juadaism agree that it's the same guy in the sky who blessed them. It's not one side believing in monotheism and the other guy believing in tree spirits.

It comes to land. It comes to bigotry. It comes to wanting to attack those who seem to prosper more then you so the natural instinct is to kill them and somehow take whatever made them prosper.

Kumana Wanalaia: Terrorists keep stabbing Israel, and they're going to get bloody. Do you expect them to stand there, Ghandi style, and let the attacks come unopposed?

Why is the set of choices stupidly overwhelming force or doing nothing? That sounds like a false dilemma to me. Israel keeps trying overwhelming force, and it keeps not working out for them.

Shouldn't the Jews have learned something through the Holocaust?

Crappetite: They did. When an entire culture is hellbent on your destruction, hit them first and hit them hard.

Yeah, that's the type of philosophy that really helped some people deal with the Jews in the 20th century. Your dehumanization of people is disguisting. Israel should have learned compassion, love, and humility after the all the shiat they've dealt with in the 20th century. I guess if you can't beat em, join em, eh? Israel and Jews are gonna get farked real bad unless Israel becomes more humble. Israel has guns now, but every nation falls. And when Israel does, I hope the people Israel has oppressed are more forgiving and compassionate than Israel has been. For the sake of the Jews.

//tried not to Godwin