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2006-07-16 07:01:44 PM  
"Israel delibertaly targets innocents? How so?"

They're firing rockets into civilian areas!!

"My father, my uncle - they're dead!" she screamed. "What's happening?"

Your country and religion have harbored terrorists for decades and allowed acts of terror to be committed in their name. You reap what you sow. "

thats cold man.

I predict if this thing escalates, There will be massive rise in anti-semmitism in this country, but hey, you reap what you sow!
 
2006-07-16 07:01:54 PM  
czarangelus: Because all the crazed war mongers are looking at this as an excuse to target Iran. Iran, and the whole Muslim would, will go batshiat crazy and fire everything in their possession at anything vaguely Western if so much as a bolt from an American or Israeli jet falls on Iranian territory.

Hopefully the crazed warmongers aren't so crazy to try that. I don't think the American people would stomach a war quite a bit bloodier than the mess in Iraq.
 
2006-07-16 07:02:07 PM  
image.listen.com

That sucks! Pass the beer to numb the pain, eh?
 
2006-07-16 07:03:00 PM  
"have never seen members a "religion" that are so fanatical on killing EVERYONE who doesn't believe in what they do. They will not stop and will fight to the death. The only way to put an end is to get rid of the terrorists and everyone who supports them (which is about more than 90% of all muslims)"

90% of all muslims eh?

smells like chicken
 
2006-07-16 07:03:21 PM  
madgonad: The war was happening. Israel decided that not waiting for Egyptian tanks to cross the border (they were massing their army ON the border).

Yes, they were remilitarizing the Sinai. But on May 26, Nasser said: "If Israel embarks on an aggression against Syria or Egypt, the battle will be a general one... and our basic objective will be to destroy Israel."

So, were they massing to attack Israel, or to defend themselves against a country they viewed as an aggressor?
 
2006-07-16 07:03:51 PM  
elchip

Because in those years, we didn't have NK with nukes conducting tests to see how far they can shoot a missile, we didn't have India and Pakistan (both with nukes now) in an extremely volatile situation, we didn't have Iran, Iraq, and tons of other terrorist groups wanted to blow the shiat out of everything remotely Western or Jewish, and we didn't have Iran with nukes at that time period either.
 
2006-07-16 07:04:01 PM  
Lebowski78: They're firing rockets into civilian areas!!

While I think Israel is overreacting here... how are you supposed to target militants embedded in the civilian population while keeping your own casualties minimal?
 
2006-07-16 07:05:13 PM  
where is the Jewish outrage?
 
2006-07-16 07:05:23 PM  
untrustworthy: Where would you have them go? Is there anywhere that would just accept 7 million Jews? Remember, America is probably the most tolerant country of immigrants (Ha!), and we don't even like the Mexicans coming in.

It's not about the safety of the individuals. It's about preserving their heritage and culture. That would likely diminish greatly when they are homogenized into a foreign land dominated by other cultures.

There are about 1.5 million people in both states COMBINED. How would you like it if all of a sudden your quiet little agrarian society was suddenly taken over by a population 5 times the size of your own, didn't speak your language, and was of a completely different religion and culture than your own?


It would be THEIR OWN FARKING COUNTRY, not blended in with everyone else. The same size as Israel is now, with clearly defined borders. Do you realize how big Montana is compared to Israel? The only reason anyone in Montana would know is because they'd read about it in the papers.

By the way, do you happen to have any spare room in your house/apartment where you could house some homeless people? You mean you don't want to do that? I can't imagine why not...

If I had thousands of acres of uninhabited, UNUSED land, and the government wanted to pay me a fair price to give up some of it so they could establish a homeless shelter, then I'd be all for it.

There's a reason that Northern Canada isn't populated. It's because it's colder than shiat, you can't grow much of anything, it's desolate and gets little light in the winter. I'm sure they could move to the Sahara desert as well, but I'm hoping that you realize why that isn't possible.

Israel was supposedly a useless desert, until the Jewish people came in and turned it into a prospering nation. I'm sure they could find a way to do the same with one of those tiny islands in the NWT.

Seriously, you are trying to waaaay oversimplify the situation. It isn't that easy and your proposal is anything but realistic.

Seriously, you're trying waaaay too hard to justify a poor decision. It isn't that easy, but look at what we have now. You call that realistic?
 
2006-07-16 07:05:43 PM  
untrustworthy: I can tell you right now that the people of Montana and North Dakota would NOT be cool with the US moving 7 million Jews into their land.

Well, if it does happen, dibs on the Hebrew Hammer!
 
2006-07-16 07:05:54 PM  
What's this Allah thing I keep hearing about?
 
2006-07-16 07:05:57 PM  
Whats really going to bake your noodle later on is what happens when the UN fails to put together a global framework for resolving the dispute.

Arabs hijacked some planes? Pussies. Ever heard of Germany? Yeah? That's only because they surrendered before we bombed them off the face of the earth. If some wingnut westerner ever decides to "unilaterally" bring some payback, you're going to be on your knees kissing Israel's ass to save you. Osama couldn't do in ten lifetimes what a committed westerner could. History bears out that science kicks more ass than blind committment to a cause.

So please, exercise no restraint in killing civilians while sneering that Israel is just killing for chuckles. You are paper thin. I can even read "death to america, death to israel" written on the side of you that's facing away from me.
 
2006-07-16 07:06:18 PM  
Lebowski78: 90% of all muslims eh?

I can't speak for all Muslims in the world... but in the Middle East, support for terrorist groups is between ~40% (for groups like al-Qaeda) and ~80% (for groups like Hamas and Hezbollah).

It varies by country, though.

Omarion: Because in those years, we didn't have NK with nukes conducting tests to see how far they can shoot a missile, we didn't have India and Pakistan (both with nukes now) in an extremely volatile situation, we didn't have Iran, Iraq, and tons of other terrorist groups wanted to blow the shiat out of everything remotely Western or Jewish, and we didn't have Iran with nukes at that time period either.

Yeah, we just had the Cold War, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan...
 
2006-07-16 07:08:22 PM  
"While I think Israel is overreacting here... how are you supposed to target militants embedded in the civilian population while keeping your own casualties minimal?"

Not with rockets. Perhaps a smaller weapon. The US has been doing it for quite a while, you march into the area where they're rooted, and wait to get shot at. Then you shoot back. I think thats about the only way to go about it.
 
2006-07-16 07:08:29 PM  
czarangelus

Both organizations exist only because of Zionist aggression. When Israel killed 20,000 civilians in Beirut during the Lebanese Civil War, were they just supposed to smile and take it?


Hezbolla was supposedly created to end Israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon.

After Israel pulled its troops out, they invaded Israel and kidnapped their soldiers.

So much for that "argument"
 
2006-07-16 07:08:40 PM  
guess the leaflets didnt float down fast enough. this will only get worse, right?
 
2006-07-16 07:09:07 PM  
Why the fark doesn't the US just tell Israel to stfu? Seriously WHAT THE fark does the US get out of Israel that is so important? Is it important enough , to give people reason to train another 10000 suicide bombers?
 
2006-07-16 07:10:10 PM  
Yankees Team Gynecologist: It would be THEIR OWN FARKING COUNTRY, not blended in with everyone else. The same size as Israel is now, with clearly defined borders. Do you realize how big Montana is compared to Israel? The only reason anyone in Montana would know is because they'd read about it in the papers.

Man, you are really starting to make yourself sound retarded. Do you live in Montana? Do you know people who live there? Have you actually even looked at a map of Montana? People live all over the state. Do you really think it would be a good idea to uproot American citizens to plant foreign people on their land? COME ON!

If I had thousands of acres of uninhabited, UNUSED land, and the government wanted to pay me a fair price to give up some of it so they could establish a homeless shelter, then I'd be all for it.

That wasn't the question. Do you have a spare bedroom that you could let somebody have to live in? Perhaps you aren't using your living room much and could give it away?

Israel was supposedly a useless desert, until the Jewish people came in and turned it into a prospering nation. I'm sure they could find a way to do the same with one of those tiny islands in the NWT.

I have an idea, why don't you ask a Jew from Israel what they think of the idea. And then ask some Northern Canadians what they think. You might find that your "wonderful" idea isn't so popular.

Seriously, you're trying waaaay too hard to justify a poor decision. It isn't that easy, but look at what we have now. You call that realistic?

I call reality realistic. Jews are living in Israel and have for some time. There is no farking way that they are going to let themselves be moved out of the country.

No. Farking. Way.
 
2006-07-16 07:10:18 PM  
Lebowski78: Not with rockets. Perhaps a smaller weapon. The US has been doing it for quite a while, you march into the area where they're rooted, and wait to get shot at. Then you shoot back. I think thats about the only way to go about it.

I guess we shot painballs at all those Iraqi weddings we keep blowing up.
 
2006-07-16 07:11:31 PM  
BernardMarx

Why the fark doesn't the US just tell Israel to stfu? Seriously WHAT THE fark does the US get out of Israel that is so important? Is it important enough , to give people reason to train another 10000 suicide bombers?

Because George W. Bush is a hawk. Clinton, for all his faults, wouldn't just be saying "Meh, Israel has to defend themselves. Tough!" like Bush does.
 
2006-07-16 07:11:58 PM  
Lebowski78: The US has been doing it for quite a while, you march into the area where they're rooted, and wait to get shot at. Then you shoot back. I think thats about the only way to go about it.

Yeah, because we know how popular occupation of a foreign nation is.

*sigh*

If the solution was easy, we'd already have it, people. Stop trying to oversimplify this.
 
2006-07-16 07:12:22 PM  
It is the weekend. Religious debates need to wait until Monday. And by the way. I wouldn't be suprised if a significant number of Jews killed by Arabs in Israel held US passports, and thereby would classify as American, just like these Lebanese are Canadian. Yet, it isn't a big deal when "Americans" in Israel die from terrorist strikes, because they are just Jews then.
 
2006-07-16 07:12:38 PM  
why is this 'breaking news'? People have been dying over there for decades. Are canadians royalty or something?
 
2006-07-16 07:15:33 PM  
If the solution was easy, we'd already have it, people. Stop trying to oversimplify this.

israel is using a cannon to kill a fly here and youre accusing those bothered by civilian casualties of oversimplification? insane.
 
2006-07-16 07:15:37 PM  
Now it's being reported that the IDF has killed members of the Lebanese military (their proper military, not Hezbollah) in their latest strikes on Tripoli. So long for Lebanon being any sort of "success story" in the War on Turr. These people are farking insane. If I was President, I'd be on the phone to old Ehud, letting him know that all U.S. aid to Israel would be immediately suspended. It can now be said that these bloodthirsty coonts are intentionally escalating this thing, and seem intent on dragging everybody else into it.

Here's a hale and hearty "fark you" going out to our "friends" in the IDF.
 
2006-07-16 07:15:40 PM  
"2006-07-16 07:10:18 PM elchip

Lebowski78: Not with rockets. Perhaps a smaller weapon. The US has been doing it for quite a while, you march into the area where they're rooted, and wait to get shot at. Then you shoot back. I think thats about the only way to go about it.

I guess we shot painballs at all those Iraqi weddings we keep blowing up."

While I didn't support Operation Iraqi Freedom, and don't condone one death from that whole debacle, thats a little different than just launching rockets into apartment buildings.
 
2006-07-16 07:15:42 PM  
Send in the polar bears!
 
2006-07-16 07:15:54 PM  
I think we've all been had too many times by the mid-east. These guys are sucking money from every part of the globe and we all turn a blind eye because of misguided allegiances. Neither side really wants the conflict to end because the conflict fuels the money machine. If everyone would stop contributing money to the region, the conflict would end. There is no right or wrong side in this conflict. It is who gets the Kaaash!
 
2006-07-16 07:16:58 PM  
My most sincere condolences to the families and friends of anybody killed in this latest round of Middle East bullshiat. Whether they be Canadian or not.

Oh yeah, bring our innocent Canuck kids home from Afghanistan now. Please.
 
2006-07-16 07:17:54 PM  
What?! No pictures of Rush? I thought that was de rigeur for a "Canada" thread.
 
2006-07-16 07:18:41 PM  
the_gospel_according_to_st._bastard: israel is using a cannon to kill a fly here and youre accusing those bothered by civilian casualties of oversimplification? insane.

I never said that. Don't put words into my mouth. I'm saying that expecting there to be a solution where nobody is killed and everyone gets what they want doesn't exist.

I agree that is it awful when anyone dies, especially when they are just an innocent bystander. But it happens. Bemoaning this fact isn't creating a solution. It's a pointless statement of the obvious.
 
2006-07-16 07:19:09 PM  
Yankees Team Gynecologist

I remember the Canadian government offered to let something like 100 000 Palestinians a free pass to get citizenship if they wished in order to relieve population pressure and help the peace process.

In response some Palestinians wrote a letter of protest signed in blood. I'm going to go dig for the link now.
 
2006-07-16 07:19:10 PM  
the_gospel_according_to_st._bastard

israel is using a cannon to kill a fly here and youre accusing those bothered by civilian casualties of oversimplification? insane.


Flies have Chinese built missiles now?

Guess my rolled up newspaper won't scare them anymore.
 
2006-07-16 07:19:23 PM  
czarangelus

>>Get the fark out of Lebanon, get the fark out of Gaza, get the fark out of the West Bank.

Get the fark out of town.

>>Ignore the gnat bites of the rockets for a little while and focus on internal security instead of invading every country that shares a border.

Ignore the gnat bites of terrorists being eliminated.

>>Let these other countries begin their economic revitalization by no longer blockading and bombing critical infrastructure.

Let them let them.

>>Restore power and water to the 1 million Gaza residents who haven't had access to these basic necessities.

Let them restore it.

>>Show goodwill and a desire to coexist instead of punching everything on the map at the first excuse.

Ha ha, your ignorance is showing. Grow a brain, moran.

Now that I know that you think that only your life has value and the israeli life doesn't, I know that you can't do jack shiat if I dehumanize you the same way. There's nothing you can say or do to retract the mistake you've made.

I will always remember you and your arrogant bloodthirsty selfish mindset. Be glad that I am not racist and will not generalize your idiocy to all middle easterners. You lucked out. I know there's people who value the lives of your people as much as you personally value the lives of israelis. Here in the north we have a phrase - "you're on thin ice". It means you're in danger. And it applies to you.
 
2006-07-16 07:19:57 PM  
It seems to me this would all stop if the 2 kidnapped soldiers are returned. Of course, that might not stop it, but it would certainly take away the Israeli justification. The folks advancing this idea of "proportionality" I just don't get. How many of your people should you allow to be kidnapped by a foreign power (and yes, the Hezi's are part of the Lebonese government) before you act? 2, 4, 16, 200? A cross border incursion and kidnapping is an act of war.
 
2006-07-16 07:21:53 PM  
muckfire: A cross border incursion and kidnapping is an act of war (extreme stupidity).

Not really a fix, but I think it makes my point.
 
2006-07-16 07:22:22 PM  
bostonguy squeaked:

Who's fault is it?

If Hezbollah had not been kidnapping soldiers and firing rockets into civilian areas inside Israel proper, none of this would be happening.


And by your same "logic", you goddamned moron, Israel CREATED Hezbollah. According to the CIA and the State Department, not to mention CNN, Hezbollah was created in direct response to the Isreali invasion and occupation of Southern Lebanon.

Go crack open a book, troglodyte. Books just aren't for burning, you know...
 
2006-07-16 07:22:34 PM  
www.ba.no

It cuts like a knife!
 
2006-07-16 07:24:57 PM  
bishop311

N' guess who was behind Israel's invasion of Lebanon? Oh, that's right: THE PLO.
 
2006-07-16 07:25:27 PM  
2006-07-16 07:08:22 PM Lebowski78
Not with rockets. Perhaps a smaller weapon. The US has been doing it for quite a while, you march into the area where they're rooted, and wait to get shot at. Then you shoot back. I think thats about the only way to go about it.?

I'm pretty sure that milimeter wave radar could be used to send arty back in the directon that the rockets came from...
 
2006-07-16 07:26:19 PM  
Flies have Chinese built missiles now?

hezbollah does not equal lebanon, lebanese government, lebanese culture or lebanese sentiment. lebanon was in recovery. lebanon has been getting farked for a long time and it is getting farked again. this is counterproductive to israel's interests. israel does not need more enemies and lebanon deserves to keep a building or standing for more than a decade.
 
2006-07-16 07:26:32 PM  
RELIGION IS EVIL

That is all.
 
2006-07-16 07:27:21 PM  
bishop311

I'm sorry but bostonguy is right. Maybe you should go open up a book on logic and read it for once.

The fact is that Hezzbollah is determined to destroy Israel and all of its civilians. If they focused on helping the infrastructure of Lebanon like they claim they do instead of kidnapping and blowing shiat up, none of this would have happened.
 
2006-07-16 07:27:41 PM  
Copycats.

/probably already said
//DRTFT
///too hot
 
2006-07-16 07:27:47 PM  
Canada just needs to cruise on over to Lebanon and be all like.

"yo what up cuz? Eh we got some of this lebanese blonde from you guys and were wondering if you kids were down with a little chief session to work out this major buzzkill yall er stressin on."

Then Lebanon would be all like.

"Shizzle my maple nizzle we about get bizzle on dees jizzles."
 
2006-07-16 07:27:58 PM  
2006-07-16 07:17:54 PM darch [TotalFark]

What?! No pictures of Rush? I thought that was de rigeur for a "Canada" thread.

img138.imageshack.us
 
2006-07-16 07:28:17 PM  
Well, if you read the full article the Israelies gave 3 to 4 hours of warning for civies to clear that section. If they didn't take heed, not much they can do about it.
 
2006-07-16 07:30:09 PM  
Well, if you read the full article the Israelies gave 3 to 4 hours of warning for civies to clear that section. If they didn't take heed, not much they can do about it.

And just where are they going to go?
 
2006-07-16 07:30:28 PM  
bishop311

And by your same "logic", you goddamned moron

I really love it when people resort to ad hominem attacks when they know their points are wrong.

According to the CIA and the State Department, not to mention CNN, Hezbollah was created in direct response to the Isreali invasion and occupation of Southern Lebanon.

Gee, so when Israel left southern Lebanon, Hezbollah should have disbanded. (How's that for logic?) But, no, they didn't! After all, there are still Jews in the Middle East who aren't dead yet.
 
2006-07-16 07:30:38 PM  
Imagine just think how much less war we'd have if it wasn't for religion? Sure, we'd have territorial disputes. But add "Gawd is on our side" to the mix and you've got the recipe for perfect batshiat crazy stuff.

Please, no "christians" saying that you're not a party to this crap. It's been going on for umpteen centuries. Your cherished prophet Moses was a military leader more than anything (Do your homework if this doesn't make crystal clear sense to you).

Islam is just a bit more batshiat crazy, because you know, the 72 virgins in heaven thing for blowing up a school bus. etc. etc. At least as frequently interpreted.

Blah blah blah... It all ends up in the same place.


www.gmtgames.com

/Substitute most religions in there...
 
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