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(CNN)   Valerie Plame sues Cheney, Rove and Libby for conspiring to destroy her career   (cnn.com) divider line 783
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2006-07-13 08:34:28 PM
Kumana Wanalaia: big4head spoke french!

Mais bien sur, espece d'un fou qui a emprunte son nom d'un chanson ridicule de Bette Midler (l'artiste favori des enculeurs).

/I am not about to take the time to paste in all the special characters for the above post
 
2006-07-13 08:37:54 PM
Whoever tried to teach logic, reasoning, and political science to this guy? A perfect example of how much our educational system needs reform.
 
2006-07-13 08:38:36 PM
sigdiamond2000: Non story. Overzealous staffer.



Just like Watergate, blown way out of proportion just because of some overzealous staffer. Nothing to see here, folks.
 
2006-07-13 08:38:45 PM
wyckedsmile-- "I wonder if Ann Couture will suggest Rove and Cheney be shot for treason for endangering the lives of Americans by revealing secrets. Ya think?"

That was the New York Times. Actual secrets, actually revealed. Actual lives endangered.

Plame worked at CIA Headquarters. Listed in Who's Who under her "secret" name. Her husband wrote the bogus NYT op-ed piece that led to this, with her knowledge and permission, as well as the knowledge and permission of her CIA bosses.

This suit just provides a means for the defendants to dig through her sordid life via the discovery process. She will regret this move.
 
2006-07-13 08:38:46 PM
Karl Rove is the most powerful man in the world.
 
2006-07-13 08:39:13 PM
The Schlong Ranger
There is a middle ground that you have seen fit to ignore.
Baby out with the bathwater so to speak.
So hey now, Iko Iko and all that.
...realistically speaking, the majority is in the middle ground.
Right now it doesn't seem like it because all of the crazies have the loudest whine.
 
2006-07-13 08:39:36 PM
Doctor Hooey: The media is gonna make slow sweet love to this story and we're all gonna sleep in the wet spot.



Let us all pause once again to ponder the beauty and ponderous Ponderosa-ty that is Doctor Hooey.

Rock on.


/I'm not worthy.
 
2006-07-13 08:41:04 PM
VideoVader

That would be an entirely different argument, then, from the one outlined in the article.

Well, obviously we have to wait to see how this is argued in court, but the two positions are pretty closely related: she could argue that the administration was upset and, in their attempt to discredit Wilson, they behaved in a negligent manner that damaged Plame's career.

Saying "it's a conspiracy and they all did it on purpose!" in front of a camera is a very different thing that claiming it in court. I think all she really has to do is say: "See, he said that when he shouldn't have, and this happened to me because of it.

...but then Libby wouldn't be named in the lawsuit because the reporter with whom he discussed Plame didn't publish or incur damage, and the real source of the damage would be the yet-unnamed primary source to Novak.

I'm inclined to agree, but it's really negligable for her to include Libby in the lawsuit. If the court agrees and finds that his involvement didn't cause her any damages, they could still say Rove or someone else did. And this way, if Rove tries to blame Libby, he's already there.

She could try to lump in Rove as the second source, but then why not include the third as well?

Do we know who the third source is yet? And aren't there like ten people named in the suit? In any case, I think there are methods for adding people to a civil lawsuit once their involvement becomes clear.

But if such rhetoric can be disproven, it provides the defense with a platform from which to call the plaintiff's argument and even integrity into question.

That is, if that rhetoric is actually used in court. None of this has been tried yet, so we don't know what the arguments actually will be. I'm just speculating, trying to make clear the distinction between Fitz dropping the criminal case and this civil case. I have no strong urge to dig into the real deep minutae of what's going on at a legal-document level.

If you're talking about the revelation of Plame's position, to prove that it was a petty move, you have to prove that it was intentional, and Novak's statements don't indicate such.

I'm talking about the court of public opinion among the middle voting spectrum here, which seems to be more on Plame's side in this. The partisans already have their sides picked and aren't going to change.
 
2006-07-13 08:41:37 PM
The Schlong Ranger: Easy. Democrats have convinced my race in particular, that our situation is not our fault, but other people's fault. All you offer is excuses.

I'm a died-in-the-wool liberal of the highest order. And I agree with you. The poor and disadvantaged are a large segment of the democratic base. To actually eliminate poverty would serve to shrink the base. Similar to the way in which the Wal~mart business model is to weaken the local economy to build up it's own customer base. I still reluctantly vote democrat in most races, but you are correct. However, over-all, I feel they have a better track record at running things.

And back to the point of the thread. I'm so very happy to see this suit go forward. Somebody needs to be held accountable and it's obvious that Bush is as serious about finding the leaker as he is about finding Osama and the Anthrax mailer.
 
2006-07-13 08:42:06 PM
Yes, I copied and pasted. Who doesn't? Sorry I didn't get back earlier, was driving to work. However, I noticed that the people who complained about the copy and paste did not address the proof therein, namely that: Regardless of what you think of W, Wilson is a lying douchebag, and his CIA wife was complicit in his affairs. A CIA agent surprised that engaging in partisan politics isn't welcome by the organization? Perhaps what Libby did was criminal (I'm not sure), but Wilson and Plame are no heroes. They are farking useless douches who enganged in partisan politics when they should have been working for the people. That might be true of W et al. also, but that does not make wilson and plame heros.
 
2006-07-13 08:42:40 PM
www.snubble.com
 
2006-07-13 08:43:18 PM
www.bartcop.com
 
2006-07-13 08:43:25 PM
I guess if The Schlong Ranger were a white, wealthy, Christian conservative he'd vote Democrat.
 
2006-07-13 08:45:00 PM
Kumana Wanalaia and smeegle:
"Ouch PAPAS, that hurt"

It's ok guys, I'm sure you're used to it.

Smeegle's homoerotic and Kumana's racist responses have helped show all in the thread the true face of today's liberal. When you've got a colorable argument, straw-man the conservatives to death. And when (like now) you don't have jack squat, resort to your default "asstastic" and "damnn southern states" bigotry.

/You both clearly have a "daddy complex."
// Quick, look. Someone is tampering with the 'Kerry for Pres.' sticker on your Jetta.
///Love 'dem slashie; even when improperly used.
 
2006-07-13 08:45:21 PM
Um...Neocons in this thread are REALLY ignorant of facts, even for Fark. Everone forget that bush said anyone who helped leak this would be fired? Rove denying it? Anyone? And everyone is forgetting the important thing...

VALERIE PLAME IS A MEGA-MILF!!!

I mean, we're talkin serious obscene hot wet CIA agent lovin'


//Watching the news...
//WWIII is pretty much starting...
//Back to your pointless arguing.
 
2006-07-13 08:46:34 PM
rogersnowden: That was the New York Times. Actual secrets, actually revealed. Actual lives endangered.

Can you pleaes list the actual secrets that were revealed and explain how they endangered lives. In all the previous threads no a single person has been able to point out a single secret that was revealed. Please cite your sources also.
 
2006-07-13 08:47:19 PM
www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk
 
2006-07-13 08:48:06 PM
PAPASandBEER

Pot meet kettle.
You blasted in here with insults from the get go so don't even go there.
 
2006-07-13 08:48:36 PM
Schlong Ranger

Oh, that's where you're coming from. Thanks for satisfying my curiosity. You might find it amusing that I see the republicans as profiting off of the oppression of the downtrodden. As for the rest of what you said, God Bless America and three cheers for free speech.

FWIW, I hope you get to the promised land, even if it takes eight more years of bush and eighty more years of Iraq.
 
2006-07-13 08:50:59 PM
PAPASandBEER

Finally, a question: Do all liberals have daddy complexes?
Me thinks they do...



If having a daddy complex makes one a liberal, that would make G W Bush the biggest liberal of them all.
 
2006-07-13 08:51:45 PM
PAPASandBEER

Oh and another thing Mr. stereotyper
I don't drive a Jetta.
I am a Beemer drivin tax shelter lovin economic conservative.
 
2006-07-13 08:52:47 PM
big4head

Why do you support the Francophobes?

PAPASandBEER

Racist? If I had any respect for you I might be offended.

WTF are you talking about, you satan worshipping cannibal?

If anything I said appears racist, please tell me... anybody.

(Not that I believe for a minute that PAPAS isn't just trying to provoke me)
 
2006-07-13 08:52:54 PM
Man, I once got tired of flamewars on Fark, because too many people didn't take the time to read the article or understand the issues.

Then I tried explaining this on Digg. Wow what a mistake that was. Nobody tries to read or understand anything. Even among the few who read what Novak said, most didn't get it either.

It's so nice to see many people here who actually educated themselves about this first.

/*sniff* I love you guys!
 
2006-07-13 08:54:27 PM
This clown Wilson was lying about what was going on and what was in the intelligence, and everybody knows it. They forget it; they ignore it. The 9/11 Commission discovered he was lying about all this, and yet he's still held up. This guy's a real piece of work.

Wilson told The Washington Post in June 2003 that he had concluded that the intelligence about the Niger uranium was based on forged documents because 'the dates were wrong and the names were wrong.' The Senate intelligence committee, which examined pre-Iraq war intelligence, reported that Wilson 'had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports.' Wilson had to admit he had misspoken." No, Wilson admitted he LIED. It's spelled L-I-E-D.

/suck it...you're 15 minutes are up, tool
 
2006-07-13 08:54:30 PM
PAPASandBEER
When you've got a colorable argument

I've never heard 'colorable' before. So I looked it up on dictionary.com, and got this:
1) Meant to deceive; not genuine.
2) Seemingly true or genuine; plausible

My head hurts. I think the contradictions in this thread are spreading to the rest of the internet.

/not really contradictory
//off-topic
///whatever
 
2006-07-13 08:55:00 PM
Somebody with "PAPAS" in their handle, accusing others of a daddy complex.
Now that's just rich.
 
2006-07-13 08:55:14 PM
I read every post up to now and feel dumber for doing so. I never relaized how many retarded farkers there are here.

Seriously...if the CIA asked for an investigation because Plame was outed, do you think that maybe - just maybe - her status was classified and releasing that information to the public was illegal?

Or does Sean Hannity know something the CIA hasn't figured out yet?
 
2006-07-13 08:56:00 PM
rogersnowden

That was the New York Times. Actual secrets, actually revealed. Actual lives endangered.

I defy you to name a single fact that the NYT revealed that was previously unknown.

1 fact. You've gotten about 2 weeks worth of talking points on this, so you should have an answer write at your finger.

Lay it on me, dittohead!
 
2006-07-13 08:57:32 PM
Why is anyone complaining? There are plenty of witnesses like Novak, etc that clearly show that at least Cheney and Libby are guilty of conspiracy. This is basically indisputed.
 
2006-07-13 08:57:32 PM
crawlspace

and this has what to do with Plame's suit over being outted ?
 
2006-07-13 08:57:54 PM
crawlspace: This clown Wilson was lying

Well, if he was lying then i guess that excuses the outing of a covert agent and the exposing of her cover company.

wait a minute, no it doesn't, unless you are a bushbot.
 
2006-07-13 08:58:25 PM
*RIGHT
 
2006-07-13 08:58:32 PM
smeegle [TotalFark]

and this has what to do with Plame's suit over being outted ?


Goes to the credibility of the witness, your honor.
 
2006-07-13 08:59:35 PM
These flames are hilarious.......

All the left can still do is point fingers and call names. when they lose more seats in November, guess what? They'll point their fingers and call names.

/and I got spit on in '70 on active duty in the USMC.
//document this........(holding crotch)
///hate slashies
////loved detour's detour
 
2006-07-13 08:59:48 PM
crawlspace: Goes to the credibility of the witness, your honor.


or the willful ignorance of the poster, more likely.
 
2006-07-13 09:00:21 PM
PAPASandBEER I lol'ed between reading your post and burning you. So don't cry for me, Argentina :)

And where are you getting "racist" from? I do not think that word means what you think it means, you chicken-farking baby-murdering son of a snake.
 
2006-07-13 09:00:45 PM
grenma.com
 
2006-07-13 09:01:20 PM

Well, if he was lying then i guess that excuses the outing of a covert agent and the exposing of her cover company.


Actually, perhaps it does. She has a certain responsibility in her position not to engage in partisan politics. She sends her husband on the mission, and then doesn't stop him as he runs around the world lying his ass off. It was a case of Wilson vs. other intelligence agencies. The whole world is going nuts over what he said. What is the whitehouse supposed to do? Not say anything because his wife who was behind the whole thing to begin with abused her position? They did what they had to do: They said "hey, we've never heard of this douche before. He is some crank whose wife sent him on a mission that we knew nothing about".

There was nothing else they could do. Yes, Cheney et al. are douches too. So what. It doesn't make the plame's heros.

 
2006-07-13 09:02:12 PM
crawlspace

Goes to the credibility of the witness, your honor.

Why would Plame need to call her husband in this case at all? Seriously? What information would she expect him to provide to support her case that the administration's outing of her did damage to her career?

The legitimacy of his report isn't even remotely an issue here. It could be 100% truth or 100% garbage and it wouldn't matter to the case at hand.
 
2006-07-13 09:03:55 PM
Hey, it's REAL SHAMAN!

*points finger*

Traitor! Traitor! Traitor!

Am I doing it right?
 
2006-07-13 09:04:04 PM
BiffDangler: She sends her husband on the mission,


That's a Lie, and if you continue to repeat it we will know you are a liar.
 
2006-07-13 09:06:41 PM
(Clears throat...)

I've looked at Plame from both sides now
From up and down and still, somehow,
Twas Joe's pretensions made her fall
He really didn't know s***...at all.

-- Dr.Dipwad
 
2006-07-13 09:07:11 PM
real shaman

and I got spit on in '70 on active duty in the USMC.

And I was touring with Jefferson Airplane.

Played the didgeriodoo solo on Go Ask Alice.
 
2006-07-13 09:07:13 PM
Isn't it nice to know that during the Clinton administration we established the precedent that Executive Branch officials can be made defendants in civil cases?
 
2006-07-13 09:07:40 PM
Dinki


Sorry Dinki. She sent him. The commission that was half democrats said so. You are the liar.

 
2006-07-13 09:08:12 PM
Skleenar: Isn't it nice to know that during the Clinton administration we established the precedent that Executive Branch officials can be made defendants in civil cases?


Paybacks a biotch, aint it?
 
2006-07-13 09:08:40 PM
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2006-07-13 09:08:46 PM
DinkiYou are the liar

Wilson Denied His Wife Suggested He Travel To Niger In 2002:

Wilson Claimed His Wife Did Not Suggest He Travel To Niger To Investigate Reports Of Uranium Deal; Instead, Wilson Claims It Came Out Of Meeting With CIA. CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "Among other things, you had always said, always maintained, still maintain your wife, Valerie Plame, a CIA officer, had nothing to do with the decision to send to you Niger to inspect reports that uranium might be sold from Niger to Iraq. ... Did Valerie Plame, your wife, come up with the idea to send you to Niger?" Joe Wilson: "No. My wife served as a conduit, as I put in my book. When her supervisors asked her to contact me for the purposes of coming into the CIA to discuss all the issues surrounding this allegation of Niger selling uranium to Iraq." (CNN's "Late Edition," 7/18/04)

* But Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Received Not Only Testimony But Actual Documentation Indicating Wilson's Wife Proposed Him For Trip. "Some CPD, [CIA Counterproliferation Division] officials could not recall how the office decided to contact the former ambassador, however, interviews and documents provided to the Committee indicate that his wife, a CPD employee, suggested his name for the trip. The CPD reports officer told Committee staff that the former ambassador's wife 'offered up his name' and a memorandum to the Deputy Chief of the CPD on February 12, 2002, from the former ambassador's wife says, 'my husband has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity.'" (Select Committee On Intelligence, "Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq," U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)

5.) Wilson Has Claimed His 1999 Trip To Niger Was Not Suggested By His Wife:

Wilson Claims CIA Thought To Ask Him To Make Trip Because He Had Previously Made Trip For Them In 1999, Not Because Of His Wife's Suggestion. CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "Who first raised your name, then, based on what you know? Who came up with the idea to send you there?" Joe Wilson: "The CIA knew my name from a trip, and it's in the report, that I had taken in 1999 related to uranium activities but not related to Iraq. I had served for 23 years in government including as Bill Clinton's Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council. I had done a lot of work with the Niger government during a period punctuated by a military coup and a subsequent assassination of a president. So I knew all the people there." (CNN's "Late Edition," 7/18/04)

In Fact, His Wife Suggested Him For 1999 Trip, As Well. "The former ambassador had traveled previously to Niger on the CIA's behalf ... The former ambassador was selected for the 1999 trip after his wife mentioned to her supervisors that her husband was planning a business trip to Niger in the near future and might be willing to use his contacts in the region ..." (Select Committee On Intelligence, "Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq," U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)

 
2006-07-13 09:09:23 PM
Dang ... i mean "White Rabbit."

Ever since Slick put that tab in my tequila that one night in Rome, my memory's been a bit spotty.
 
2006-07-13 09:09:32 PM
Dinki, don't worry, I'm sure the hyperbole police are already speeding to BiffDangler's mother's basement (aka the pratcave).
 
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