elchip

You know, their next door neighbors didn't know that she was a CIA agent until Novak's column...

My neighbors don't know that I'm married to my sister/cousin/mother, but that don't make it no national secret.

Seriously, her neighbors are not the measure of whether her cover had been blown. Please.

skipjack: I guess the $2.5 million book deal wasn't enough?

What? Do you really believe she had no right or reason to collect a pension after years of service?

This is the most disgusting act of self serving behavior I have ever seen in my entire life!

This woman needs to be sent to a FPMITAP!! Why won't she just STFU and move on?? Doesn't she realize what is going on in Iraq and that this is a critical time to be critizing this administration? She is basically writing the terrorists a postcard saying "stick in there guys, I am going to mess up the administration some while you guys make your attacks"

I am disgusted.

http://www.liberalsmustdie.com/Home/tabid/36/EntryID/168/Default.aspx

Disgusted!!

2006-07-13 05:22:00 PM Croooow! [TotalFark]


Oh, its ok because they were just releasing classified information to discredit someone calling them out on their bullshiat reasons for going to war? Allright.


What I meant was that they clearly wanted reporters to know that he wasn't there at Cheney's request, that his wife got him the job. Sure it could be nasty, but has nothing to do with outing an agent and is clearly not retribution against Wilson.

That would be more like politics as usual, and not really lawsuit-worthy since it lacks malicious intent(since the paper trail suggests that indeed his wife did help him get the job).

Anybody who has his book on the bookshelf probably has Richard Clarke's book and is probably not the sharpest knife in the drawer. If I were these guys I'd write a book too.

Much as I'd like to see some sort of lawsuit go forawrd, it'll get dismissed faster than... well, it'll get dismissed PDQ.

BiffDangler:


the effort=9

the execution=2


/too strident

Stop promoting your idiotic website. And stop pretending to love America if you don't like 50% of Americans.

"The Director of National Intelligence will certainly invoke the state secrets privilege, which means that the court will have no choice but to dismiss the frivolous lawsuit."

So, the argument is...

-Plame was not covert there was nothing wrong with outing her.
-But discussing Plame would violate national security.


....right, good luck with that.

Anyone using the "nepotism" argument as an excuse:

Character assassination is the A-#1 knee-jerk political offensive used in place of defending against challenger when actual assassination is not an option.

Please recognize it for what it is and that it has nothing whatsoever to do with the merits of the case.

The spunk from this neocon circle jerk is smelling awfully bitter and impotent today. Enjoy being pissed off about this through November.

I said I said I said...elventy-one gazillion years ago.

Boom...boom...boom...

dramboxf: Sovereign Immunity

/nuff said

There's a bit more to sovereign immunity than can be found in a website "reference" compiled and contributed to by any moron on the internet.

You fail at citing authority.

FRCP Hunh. So is she gonna add the Russians, Cubans and the Swiss in her lawsuit as well?

So...the NYT was completely in the right to report on the SWIFT monitoring? Because you know, foreign intelligence agencies know about that too.

Or perhaps, when did the Swiss, Cubans, or Russians publish this information in a public source? Just because other agencies may know about something doesn't mean it's public knowledge. Hell, the Russians, Chinese, etc know things that our government does that are classified, but if I wrote an article about those classified things, I would still end up in jail.

There is a bit of a difference between a foreign intelligence agency knowing something through an error and something being willingly leaked to the press...

Either way, regardless of what happened, regardless of who already knew what, by orchestrating this leak Rove, Cheney, Libby, et al seriously compromised the national security of the United States by revealing this information. It wouldn't matter if she told every person she met that she was a covert agent. It is the responsibility of the superiors of an intelligence agent to protect that identity.

But, that's ok, not like we needed to have sources that could trust us to keep their cover. It's one thing for her to be an American, in America, outed, which seems to be the arguement that the right uses to justify this (forgetting how they were calling for the heads of the leakers until it was found out that the leaks were from their own)...rather, it is the severe damage to the credibility and recruitment efforts of the CIA.

I sure as hell wouldn't work for people who would do this to me, not knowing that there is a very real threat that the people I'm risking my life for by providing intelligence will turn on me for a petty political squabble.

Disgusted!!

What? You're disgusting?......Oh, Uh...nevermind.

Torc: The spunk from this neocon circle jerk is smelling awfully bitter and impotent today. Enjoy being pissed off about this through November.

Yes! I love Novembers!

Wilson is already in the lawsuit, just on the side of his wife ;)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0713062plame1.html

I love the smell of November, it smells like neocon circle jerk bitter splooge.

/you all can use that

BiffDangler: Yes, if you as a CIA agent is creating a major international problem by using nepotism to secure a junket for your loser husband, and then letting him run around lying about reporting to the vice president. You should expect that you would get in trouble for being such a dumbass.

Wilson never said that he reported to the Vice-President. That's a right-wing spin. He said that the VPs office requested information and that the CIA sent him to get that info. If you have proof of your statements please provide them. (Repeated for truth.)

One could also take on the "loser husband" and "nepotism" parts of Biff's original post. Wilson was a former ambassador who was once "hailed as 'truly inspiring' and 'courageous' by George H. W. Bush" (wikipedia). So he was hardley a loser. He was also a former ambassador to Gabon and São Tomé and Príncipe, with intimate knowledge of the Uranium procurement process.

In other words, his credentials for that trip were excellent.

And saying otherwise just makes you look like a tool of the RNC.

BiffDangler: Wrong. He specifically said his wife did not send him, and he specifially said that he went at the request of Cheney and that he reported to Cheney. The lying jerk brought this on himself by seriously disrupting international affairs in order to inflate his own ego and feel important.

Source?

BiffDanglerhe specifially said that he went at the request of Cheney and that he reported to Cheney.

Um, I know that you probably read this on some Freetard site somewhere, and truly believe it in the bottom of your heart, but it's not true. Wilson's actual words:

In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake - a form of lightly processed ore - by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office.

While it's understandable that someone with limited reading comprehension would interpret this as "Cheney sent me" that's not what he said.

You can read the whole op ed here

But why read primary sources when it's so much easier to read predigested pap that tells you what you want to hear?

/or you might just be a troll
//you've certainly got the tard-speak down pat
///if so, nicely done...

Wilson's story was TRUE. Why doesn't the Right seem to understand that?

Whiney biatch

Anyone even following Novak's latest revelations?

Everything he's saying to the public now he already said to Fitzgerald earlier. Fitzgerald decided that he had no case to prosecute anyone for revealing "Secret Agents". Which is why Libby is on trial charged with "pulling a Clinton" in his testimony, instead of what Joe Wilson said he did.

Joe Wilson has been lying throughout this. No one goes on a confidential fact-finding mission for the CIA without having to sign non-disclosure forms - except him. Then in the press appearances he told a different story than what he later was willing to say under oath. Far from proving no intent to yellow-cake shop - his (under oath) answers made it seem MORE likely, His supposed public "cover story" that he was working for Cheney was nothing but an outrageous lie cooked up by HIMSELF and designed to bolster his anti-Bush stance - as indicated by the factoid that no "background" to it was ever set up. It was moreover a singularily STUPID lie - as it expected the folks he was lying about to willingly acquiesce in his lie.

Valarie Plume lost her job prospects because she went "political" instead of professional in her actions. Her current work was one she could have kept doing for the nest 20 years even after her actual employment was splashed on the headlines.

Animatronik: Anybody who has his book on the bookshelf probably has Richard Clarke's book and is probably not the sharpest knife in the drawer.


Having a book on a bookshelf relates to one's intelligence?

You seem very smart.

pearls before swine: Why doesn't the Right seem to understand that?

They prefer truthiness over truth.

Valerie, don't forget to sue Who's Who in America! They also exposed your identity, starting in 1999!

Copyright © 2002 by Reed Elsevier, Inc.
(click here for full page PDF)

/All links open in a new window

atate_esq: Seriously, her neighbors are not the measure of whether her cover had been blown. Please.

I was using that to refute people who make it sound like everybody and their damn brother knew beforehand that she was a CIA agent.

LIBERALASSLICKER,
I want to have your baby.
I love you.
You smell of crack-ho's and bad mozzerella.

I dunno about anyone else, but I would totally hit that. Valerie Plame is HOT. She can have my 'secret alias' anyday.

Glad to see this thread isn't devolving into a Plamewar....
oops...

Anagrammer: Valerie, don't forget to sue Who's Who in America! They also exposed your identity, starting in 1999!

Are you being sarcastic? I hope so... that blurb says nowhere what she's a CIA agent. The fact that she was Joe Wilson's wife was no secret...

You know she's not bad looking. A komplete kunt, but I'd spear her chocolate starfish with my purple-headed sea anenome. Then I'd make her give my hot rod a car wash. Then I'd ask her to help me overcome my misplaced rage --- why do I find it so such a turn-on to degrade women sexually? Then the healing can begin. After that, I'll pee on her.

too bad the leak was her own damn husband. but she didn't sue him.

She was also married to Scooter Libby?

BIGAMIST!

pearls before swine: Wilson's story was TRUE. Why doesn't the Right seem to understand that?

Well, Uncle Dick certainly does. That's why he made the effort to crush her like a bug.

Meepzoid: the administration broke the law, for pure spite, and there's no way you can spin that fact.

Proof? Last I checked, a special prosecutor issued no charges after a 2 1/2 year investigation.

Unless you've somehow learned differently.

/Libby doesn't count, he only got dinged for perjury

untrustworthy

What? Do you really believe she had no right or reason to collect a pension after years of service?

No, she has every right to do so. Thanks for projecting what you think i believe though.

/sarcasm

Anagrammer: Valerie, don't forget to sue Who's Who in America! They also exposed your identity, starting in 1999!


Some people read the thread first, then post.

And then there's you.

I am glad to see this and hope she wins. She got illegally and immorally farked over here and whether or not she needs any money, there are those who need some additional public shame and punishment over their treasonous actions.

Anagrammer:

Funny, I don't see "CIA AGENT!!!!111" anywhere in that who's who thingy.

the entire sotry has been proven to be BOGUS. Joe Wilson has been proven a LIAR...and no one ruined Valere plames career except for she and her lying partisan husband.....

this lawsuit has no merit and when it's thrown out, THEN it will be time to destroy these's people's pathetic, " Vanity Fair lovin'" lives.....

skipjack: No, she has every right to do so. Thanks for projecting what you think i believe though.

Then what was your point?