Cha Cha Bowl at Orlando's Caribbean BBQ in the left field stands of Pac Bell/SBC/AT&T Park is where it's at. Big rice bed with a scoop of black beans and some tasty grilled chicken on top. Yum yum yum yum yum, I say. Slosh it down with an $8 Red Stripe and you are good to go, Cepeda style. Aie aie aie!

GQueue: The reason the Cubs draw when they stink while the Sox don't is because the Cubs don't sell baseball, they sell the "Wrigley Field/Wrigleyville Experience." You know, getting drunk on Old Style in the bleachers on a summer day in a historic ballpark, and then getting more drunk at Sports Corner or Murphy's Bleachers or (get a brain) Moran's or one of the other 50 bars within about 2 blocks from the stadium after the game. That doesn't change whether the team is great or the team is excrement.

But the sox don't even draw when they have good teams. I remember being at a playoff game against the Blue Jays and the place wasn't even near capacity. You have to win a championship to get respectable attendance? Those are not fans those are bandwagon hoppers.

If its all Wrigley how do you explain the TV ratings? Ratings were near records highs when the Cubs were in the playoffs. The 05 WS was one of the lowest in history despite both teams being in big markets. Or can you get the Wrigley experience through the cable wire too?

The Bulls and Bears draw well in down years. Chicago is known for its loyal sports fans. Yet the White Sox are the only major team that seems to have trouble in this town. Unless they are playing the Cubs.

DrewCurtisJr: But the sox don't even draw when they have good teams. I remember being at a playoff game against the Blue Jays and the place wasn't even near capacity. You have to win a championship to get respectable attendance? Those are not fans those are bandwagon hoppers.

If its all Wrigley how do you explain the TV ratings? Ratings were near records highs when the Cubs were in the playoffs. The 05 WS was one of the lowest in history despite both teams being in big markets. Or can you get the Wrigley experience through the cable wire too?

The Bulls and Bears draw well in down years. Chicago is known for its loyal sports fans. Yet the White Sox are the only major team that seems to have trouble in this town. Unless they are playing the Cubs.

Know your history. The popularity of the Cubs over the Sox is a fairly recent thing. As recently as the late 70's the Sox were dominant. There is one thing, and one thing only, that changed things around: the Sox, due to owner greed, moved off of WGN and onto a UHF station (WFLD-32, now the Fox station) as well as a pay cable station (SportsVision, which originally was a premium channel). Around that time, WGN was picked up as a superstation nationally on cable systems. Thus, you had the Sox on a TV station that was tougher to get in over the air for some of the games, and for a bunch more of the games no one could see them because no one paid for those premium stations back then other than HBO (the more things change, the more they stay the same). The Cubs, on the other hand, were still on WGN, and not only were broadcast in Chicago, but nationally as well.

The Sox lost a huge number of fans that way because people couldn't see the games, and many became Cub fans instead. The Sox have never fully recovered, and probably won't unless they continue to be good for a substantial amount of time and the Cubs continue to crap on their fans (as the Sox did when they moved off of free, VHF television).

Ah, I see I don't need to lead the revolución del maíz in Anaheim.

Revolucio`n!

Obviously most of you have never eaten at 35th and Shields. Brats, Mexican corn, those Dippin Dots things, all sorts of goodies. Mmmmmmmmmm.

Oh, and don't buy the Sportservice dogs. Go to a grill on the concourse and get a sausage with onions on it, then dump some mustard on it, and enjoy.

GQueue: due to owner greed, moved off of WGN and onto a UHF station (WFLD-32, now the Fox station)

I thought it was channel 44 (now in espanol).

So now its the TV's fault sox fans don't support the team? There is no shortage of people who call themselves sox fans. They would just rather complain about the cubs than go to the games or watch them on TV.

If the cubs fans are only interested in hanging out in the sun and getting drunk why would people watch the games on TV?

Dammit, I came in here for semi-clad pics of PETA chicks and I get nothing but baseball photos.

/For shame Fark
//For shame...

ptraillz

Hey, if you have AJ n00dz you better share.

I can't agree more with DrewCurtisJr.

Fact: At every single game I've been to at Comiskey / The Cell (maybe a dozen or so) the "CUBBIES SUCK" chant has broken out at least once. EVERY time.

Fact: At every single game I've been to at Wrigley (maybe 150 or so), NEVER have I heard a "WHITE SOX SUCK" chant. Of course, I haven't been to a Cubs-Sox game at Wrigley, so...

Pitiful. Don't believe me? Ask 10 Sox fans to give a detailed breakdown of the Cubs' suckitude this year. Then ask them to name 3 starters on any non-Sox AL Central team. 7 of 10 will be able to speak ad nauseum about the Cubs, and won't know dick about the Indians, Twins, etc. Pathetic.

It's not all Sox "fans" though. Whenever I've been to a Sox game with my (real, true) Sox-fan friends, they've been embarrassed about the anti-Cubs zealotry. It's stupid.

What always makes me smile (when I have a moment to give half a shiat about the Sox) is how their fans constantly complain about being "second-class citizens" or some such bulshiat. Then they spend their time rooting... against the Cubs.

And they call themselves "fans". Retards.

PETA Ass Hats
Hey Baseballs and gloves are made from cows...and they taste good too.

Why would anyone expect a "White Sox suck" chant at Wrigley? No one goes there for anything baseball related.

/Where's Mark Grace?

Welstradamus:

If you really think that's the case, then I'd be inclined point out that anybody going to The Cell (or any AL ballpark) isn't really seeing an actual baseball game themselves. But that's me.

The idea that "people only go to Wrigley for the booze and don't care about baseball" is just as untrue as "Sox fans go to Sox games because they can't afford to watch real baseball."

But if believing the stereotype that Wrigley is full of a bunch of frat guys more interested in drinking than watching baseball makes it easier for Sox "fans" to continue with their amusing self-victimization -- even in spite of having won a world championship -- then that's fine by me. But it ain't true.

reverendslappy: Fact: At every single game I've been to at Comiskey / The Cell (maybe a dozen or so) the "CUBBIES SUCK" chant has broken out at least once. EVERY time.


If the north side morons would quit wearing Cubs hats and jerseys to Sox games, that chant would happen a whole lot less. Almost all of the times I've heard that chant at a game that wasn't a Sox/Cubs game has usually been due to "that guy" who thinks he's funny wearing Cubs gear to a Sox game. Very rarely have I heard it spontaneously break out for no reason. And I go to a LOT of Sox games, usually sitting in the outfield.

Except during the crosstown series. Then I've heard it a whole bunch.

halfof33

I love you! You (and your kind) are the reason that so many, many, many people hate PETA. Smug, condescending, sanctimonious, loudmouth doucherockets. Thank you!


THANK you.

GQueue:
What should they wear? A farkin Royals hat? They're Cub fans at a ballgame... Are Brewers fans morons too if they show up in their hat? Anyway, my point is if a Sox fan showed up at Wrigley in their gear, nobody would care any more than they would if they were wearing an A's hat. It comes down to this: Many of you seem to care WAY more about us than just about all of us care about you.

And you can deny it if you want, but I've been there, I've seen it. Every single game I've been to at the Cell (not one of which I was wearing any Cubs paraphernalia to) the chant has been heard. And/or the cheer when a Cubs loss shows up on the scoreboard.

Or I could point to the insanity of the "Cubune" sports news bias tin-foil hat wearing. Whatever. The point is that Sox "fans" constantly biatch about being second-class citizens or whatever, and all the while, they're the ones bringing it on themselves. It'd be a lot funnier if it weren't so sad.

2006-07-13 09:55:36 PM reverendslappy

GQueue:
What should they wear? A farkin Royals hat? They're Cub fans at a ballgame... Are Brewers fans morons too if they show up in their hat? Anyway, my point is if a Sox fan showed up at Wrigley in their gear, nobody would care any more than they would if they were wearing an A's hat. It comes down to this: Many of you seem to care WAY more about us than just about all of us care about you. (Emphasis Mine)

And people wonder why Cubs fans are always seen as smug bastards.

/will be changing that "05" to "06" in October.
//I will be there live.
///Utter golden sweet vindication for so many years of sucky Sox ballgames and teams.

don't stop believin'? did anyone believe in the first place?

/Best choice for MVP in the Series.
//Still the best choice for MVP right now.
///Probably will be MVP in the '06 Series.
////Sox over Mets in 4.
//Contreras 22-0.
//Stop me before I use more slashies.

bloodynose

And people wonder why Cubs fans are always seen as smug bastards.

It's not smugness: It's reality. As a Cubs fan, I don't care about the Chicago White Sox any more or less than I do, say, the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. Why? Because it's not my team. Nor do they have any significant, direct bearing on how my team fares. That's not smugness, that's how it is.

And I wouldn't even have pointed it out if the Sox "fans" I'm talking about weren't so busy trying to get people like me -- who have no more or less interest in their team than any other anywhere -- to throw a pity party for them because of their own very strange, self-conceived and self-perpetuated sense of inferiority. I mean for fark's sake, these people just saw their team win a world championship and they still can't stop feeling sorry for themselves. And they call us "pathetic".

Anyway, the point isn't how much I care about the Sox, it's that many (not all) Sox fans have made themselves the "second-class" citizens they biatch so much about being by flat-out HATING the Cubs. And that Cubs fans don't care enough about the Sox to hate them, which is how it's supposed to work when you're not, you know, farking psychotic. And there are many more of these so-called "fans" of the Sox hate the Cubs than there are Cubs fans that give half a shiat about the Sox.

And if you don't believe me when I say that many Sox "fans" hate the Cubs...

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=36296

Although a lot of it is a couple years old, if what's written there isn't psychotic -- violently hating a team that has practically ZERO to do directly with the team you're a fan of -- it is, at the very least, indicative of shiatty baseball fans. Which is what those faux Sox fans are.

Polyhazard: No offense, man, but you may want to get your head checked, because you seem to have hallucinated some current events.

I think you may be referring to the ALF, which is a totally different organization that has already been declared a terrorist organization by the FBI.

So you can chill out already.

I wouldn't be so quick to separate PETA from the ALF. Sure, the firebombings and destruction happened under the ALF "name", PETA has been known to fund the same organizations that are doing the acts themselves.

I.E., Rod Coronado. He was one of, if not THE biggest activist in the ALF, and was basically the poster child for the movement. He was convicted for one firebombing, at MSU in 1992, and afterwards, took credit for at least 6 others. PETA gave the "Rod Coronado Foundation" $70,000 in 1992, the year of the trial, towards his defense costs.

So, no. Technically, PETA aren't the ones doing the firebombing. But they might as well be.


"No movement for social change has ever succeeded without 'the militarism component'. Not until black demonstrators resorted to violence did the national government work seriously for civil rights legislation. In the 1930s labor struggles had to turn violent before any significant gains were made. In 1850 white abolitionists, having given up on peaceful means, began to encourage and engage in actions that disrupted plantation operations and liberated slaves. Was that all wrong?"
"Thinkers may prepare revolutions, but bandits must carry them out."
-Ingrid Newkirk, president of PETA

BXRWXR
Thank you. That made me laugh to tears.

All the other Sox fans. Have a beer and a dog for me at the Cell. I'm watching the stats from Iraq. I love it when AFN finally shows a game.

To the whiny cubs fans... Not all of you are the detestable, mealy mouthed, bastards that Sox fans say you are. But most of you in the thread do qualify. When the Cubs are doing good, I don't root for them and I don't root against them, as much.

Cubs fans can't see the arrogance. In the hours after the Sox won the WS I was inidated with phone calls for my Cubs fan buddies telling me that it was still a Cubs town, but good job.

To all y'all saying Cubs fans don't care about the Sox, check the internet. It's all over the place. Heck, in my friend group alone there are several "Sux" shiats among them. However, I don't have a shirt devoted to the Cubs sucking. I should, but I don't.

My dad was a Sox fan, so I was born with the curse. Oh I wanted to be a Cubs and a Sox fan, but that is not allowed accoriding to the jag off Cubs fans that I grew up in. I took the Sox and never looked back. So think what you want about my loyalty, but it has been there since the begining.

I don't root for the Cubs and I don't root against them, unless they play the Sox. And trust me, most of us hate the Indians and the Twins more than the Cubs. Detroit is coming on strong though. Well, we'll try to win another one this year so the city will have a team to be proud of.

Yep, stn10d said it before I could: You're simply not seeing the Cubs' fans' own arrogance. After all, why is it that during a game at Wiggy Field that I see more "(Sox Logo) SUX" shirts than I see actual Cubs shirts being worn AND sold everywhere?

Please, this is exactly the kind of smug bastardism I was talking about. You guys just LOVE to point at someone else and say "It's their fault" when you've had your hand caught firmly in the cookie jar.

It goes both ways, once the Cubbies and their fans start admitting to this, a lot less people will get violently ill from the sickening hypocrisy.

Oh. and Cubs suck, too. Cursed. Ha-ha.

All I can do is roll my eyes at that. You miss my point.

Cubs "fans" that wear "Sox SUX" shirts are the same special kind of idiot as the Sox "fans" who refer to the Cubs as the "Flubs". Bunch of farking morons who don't know dick about baseball. If they did, they wouldn't give one half of one shiat about the "other" team, whichever that may be, because they'd realize they play six farking games a year. And if you disagree with this, that's fine, but I'm very, very certain that there are far fewer "Sox SUX" shirts out there than Cubs shirts with "CORK" in the middle of the logo, or the other retarded shiat those fake Sox "fans" wear. I just don't buy for one second the idea that there are as many Cubs "fans" out there who hate the Sox as there are Sox "fans" who hate the Cubs. Sorry, I just don't buy it. I've lived in this city for way too long.

Anyway, the whole thing is stupid. It's the most retarded "rivalry" in baseball, if not all of sports.

The only difference is that those idiots in "Sox SUX" shirts don't biatch and moan about being the "bastard child" of Chicago sports or complain about lack of media coverage or whatever other made-up cry-baby bullshiat so many faux Sox "fans" do. And that's what I was talking about. And if knowing that I'm not a farking cry-baby like those people are is arrogant, well, then sorry, I guess I'm guilty.