Mija: Boy Scouts DON'T discriminate. A private group can make it's own rules. That is not descrimination. If it was an atheist group you would'nt see this kind of discrimination and persecution by hypocritical, self righteous, non members.


*Scratches Head* They don't? If my gay, athiest son wanted to join the BSA, they would not let him. How exactly is that *not* discrimination?

I personally don't care if they discriminate against people because, as you state, they are a private org. That said, as a private org., they should not be allowed to recieve public assistance. It's pretty simple.

I would be just as against a Private Country Club receiving public subsidies to rennovate their golf course(s).

Girl scouts deny any male of any age, but they ignore lesbian issues, so they're perfectly angelic.

Wow, well, we better erase public funding from THOSE bigots and genderish lawbreakerish phobicish....

It is reasonable to deny public funding because public funds come, in part, from those whom they do not allow in their membership.

That's interesting. So if I don't belong to any groups that DO get public funding, and I enjoy only ONE membership in a group that is NOT all inclusive - doesn't that mean my own public funding that I contributed was denied simply because it's the only form I'd use?

DoesItReallyMatter: doesn't that mean my own public funding that I contributed was denied simply because it's the only form I'd use?

No, you are not being denied anything. It means that you have freely chosen not to be a member of any group that accepts public funds. Though that choice is still available to you.

I usually think Berkeley is full of crazy people but this is one thing that makes sense to me. If you are going to have a private club how can you demand money that is supposed to be for everyone?

Also all this talk about BSA teaching values and morals? Guess what society does that all the danged time. I am sure the scouts sound like fun but they are not the only ones who teach things, schools, churches, other various organizations do, they are not inherently more special.

When did Jesus condemn homosexuality?

So technically, any private organization, such as the Boy Scouts or a Private Camp would have to be required to hire a known pedophile to receive public funds because they can't discriminate against any lifestyle preference or choice?

/really not trying to hit the lowest common denominator here
//Most gays I know don't even like kids
///Those that do REALLY like kids

DoesItReallyMatter: So technically, any private organization, such as the Boy Scouts or a Private Camp would have to be required to hire a known pedophile to receive public funds because they can't discriminate against any lifestyle preference or choice?


If by "known pedophile" you mean previously convicted of a crime, then no, they cannot be required to hire such a person. Criminal activity is not a protected equal opportunity class.

When did Jesus condemn homosexuality?

Where did Jesus say it was acceptable? Dunno, all those verses about husbands and wives - still doing a search for husbands and husbands...

wow, how ironic that this takes place in berkely CA. UC Berkely should be cut off from ALL public money for THEIR discriminatory practices in hiring ( only left wing lunatics ) and for creating a hostile environment and enganging in harassment of students who are conservative.

In fact, I think ALL publicly funded schools should be cut off if they continue liberal indoctrination and discrimination against those who realize how ridiculous they are...and that includes primary schools....

you're right.....you have the 1st amendment right to feedom of speech and association, but are not entitled to tax payer support.......and Berkeley and ALL schools need to know that this applies to them as well./.

DoesItReallyMatter: Where did Jesus say it was acceptable? Dunno, all those verses about husbands and wives - still doing a search for husbands and husbands...

Geeze, I can't find any reference to breathing, either - you should stop, because it's obviously not a Jesus' sanctioned activity...

OK if you are a man and you molest boy then you like men to start with, first off that makes you gay, second it makes you gay, 3rd makes you a pedophile

/100% of men who molest boys are gay. same sex= gayness

If by "known pedophile" you mean previously convicted of a crime, then no, they cannot be required to hire such a person. Criminal activity is not a protected equal opportunity class.

Here's the issue that scares straights shaitless. A lot of them, myself included, believe that pedophiles will follow in the footsteps of equal protection that homosexuals are so desperately seeking.

Homosexuality used to be a disease. It is not anymore.
Homosexual acts used to be against the law. They are no longer.

Pedophilia is still a disease. I'd hope you'd agree that it should be, despite they share the same reasoning the homosexual community trumpets: Can't help it, born this way, why fight it, I need to be happy, loved and fulfilled, and you need to be accepting and tolerant - oh, and i need a job. Preferably with kids.

I hope to god that pedophilia acts remain illegal. However, the courts will review other similar cases, and I'm sure NAMBLA would love to quote every gay person's valid point to justify THEIR cause.

What happens when the AMA says, "Hey, pedo is no longer a disease, it's normal!"

I hope this brings a little perspective on the issue. I've been told many times by gays that you "can't legislate morality". They are right. So I have little confidence that the peds won't follow suit.

I don't care if gays have parades wearing blow-up cocks, or crossdressing or in various stages of undress and waving their flags.

But you have to ALSO be tolerant that "breeders" have a natural instinct to protect their kids from what they think is a negative influence in their growing stages - something I think is often seen as "oppressive" and "inclusive". I don't see that tolerance here.

I'd be much more comfortable drawing the line at gays and saying, OK Boy Scouts, This is where the line ends, we could probably manage ok with gays as the LAST EXCEPTION to the original rules from 100 years ago. But I don't think it will stop there. The ACLU and courts will see to that.

SOMEONE SOMEWHERE is going to eventually have their civil liberties "so called" "trampled on" and exclused to the point that NO-ONE will want their kids to be part of a youth organization because percieved predators are allowed. I have no real beef with gays. I don't think (I hope!) that most gays are predators - not in the lifestyle, I'll give gays the benefit of the doubt because I don't have statistics.

Does anyone?

The impression I get from what I've read on sites and here, it's not about gays not getting to scout - they could start their own organization, and they have not. It's about changing a traditional conservative organization by way of protests, boycotts and cutting funding. And judging by some of the responses here, it is very detailed and organized by design to do just that: Punish for not agreeing.

You'd think a grandfather clause be appropriate as a middle ground since gays were pulled from the AMA's list of disorders in 1973.. long after the rules were made and the organization was chartered....

/but then, I'm not being excluded
//I mean, in all fairness

DoesItReallyMatter said: " Where did Jesus say it was acceptable? Dunno, all those verses about husbands and wives - still doing a search for husbands and husbands..."

Sloth_DC: " Geeze, I can't find any reference to breathing, either - you should stop, because it's obviously not a Jesus' sanctioned activity..."

libbynomore2 says:

DON'T BE A DUMBASS....if you can help it that is

grotto_man: And, in the current trend of asshat submitters, the headline lies about the content of the article; the discriminatory Scouts want to get for free what other non-discriminatory orgs are getting for free.

There, fixed that for ya.

DoesItReallyMatter: Where did Jesus say it was acceptable? Dunno, all those verses about husbands and wives - still doing a search for husbands and husbands...

Is that exclusive? By your logic, if Jesus commands men and women to marry, then anyone who remains single is going against his wishes.

Is anything Jesus failed to talk about a sin? He talked a lot about walking from once place to another by foot. Does that mean all alternate forms of transportation are forbidden? Even the SUVs with Jesus fish on them?

Sloth

Geeze, I can't find any reference to breathing, either - you should stop, because it's obviously not a Jesus' sanctioned activity...

John 20:22
And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit.

/not bad advice. you should start
//obviously a Jesus sanctioned activity
///try again

DoesItReallyMatter: Here's the issue that scares straights shaitless. A lot of them, myself included, believe that pedophiles will follow in the footsteps of equal protection that homosexuals are so desperately seeking.

Ah, the slippery slope. People made the same kinds of claims when they decided to allow interracial couples to marry.

So basically, it is okay to condemn one group because of the actions of another. Gotcha.

"she's a witch, burn'em at the stake"

So basically, it is okay to condemn one group because of the actions of another. Gotcha.

Interracial couples, gays. Apples, oranges.

You're right. I should just let anyone have free reign on my kids' overnight camping trips. Like Michael Jackson. Gotcha.

DoesItReallyMatter: Interracial couples, gays. Apples, oranges.

Gays, pedophiles. Apples, Oranges.

You are so quick to equivocate homosexuality with pedophilia. Why is that?

You're right. I should just let anyone have free reign on my kids' overnight camping trips. Like Michael Jackson. Gotcha.

Virtually all the scout masters caught molesting scouts were married with children. Seems to me its the married guys that should be banned from camping with your children.

Virtually all the scout masters caught molesting scouts were married with children. Seems to me its the married guys that should be banned from camping with your children.

Right. Those married gay men aren't allowed in scouts.

Thanks for making my point.

/how about that funding?

DoesItReallyMatter: Right. Those married gay men aren't allowed in scouts.

Fact: They aren't gay.

Fact: They _were_ in the scouts. They were scout masters.

Challenge: Find one open homosexual who was in the scouts that has been convicted of molesting a scout.

... and you haven't addressed why it's okay to compare homosexuality to pedophilia.

The majority of all child abuse cases are committed by heterosexuals.

Finally, just because an adult pedophile may fixate on children of the same sex doesn't make them a homosexual. Most identify their sexual orientation as heterosexual. Most express their adult orientation as heterosexual. Check out the APA (not the AMA - get you organizations right) on the subject.

DoesItReallyMatter

You're right. I should just let anyone have free reign on my kids' overnight camping trips. Like Michael Jackson. Gotcha.

Prove that homosexuals are pedophiles, and I'll give you a cookie.

/you're never going to get that cookie

You might have a point about fear. It's a parent's intuition not to knowingly put their kid in danger.

I don't know about you, but a gay man's intentions of joining the Boy Scouts smacks of either molestation or indoctrination. What don't you see about an organization who made the rules almost 100 years ago building in a protection against possible predators?

Thanks to the "laws", the Boy Scouts gets sued from ANY gay man (married, known gay, etc) who fondles a kid.

Is it about fear? It could be.

Is it about hate? No, that's just a clever cliche' that most straights don't buy anymore. The BSA doesn't teach kids to smack gays around, nor does it teach violence against people they disagree with.

This gets pretty funny when (earlier in the thread) you see comparisons of Boy Scouts to the farkin KKK. Wow. Some people are just waaaaaaay off the deep end when it comes to their cause.

My above post, while it is long, was opening discussion to a differing viewpoint. If you don't want to discuss it, fine. I'll leave and you can all go back to your "BSA hates, disciminates, oppresses, doesn't deserve funding" chorus of ranting without anyone telling you something that you'll disagree with.

/with kittens
//and rainbows

DoesItReallyMatter: Here's the issue that scares straights shaitless. A lot of them, myself included, believe that pedophiles will follow in the footsteps of equal protection that homosexuals are so desperately seeking.

Why? Because you don't understand basic common-law? There's a huge gulf between consenting adults and legal minors.

DoesItReallyMatter: I don't know about you, but a gay man's intentions of joining the Boy Scouts smacks of either molestation or indoctrination.

Well that's just prejudice. If a man applies for a job at a girls school does that mean he is looking to catch an underage girl?

Thanks to the "laws", the Boy Scouts gets sued from ANY gay man (married, known gay, etc) who fondles a kid.

What? What are you talking about? Pedophiles are suing the boy scouts? Cite me one case where the BSA had to pay money out to a pedophile.

This gets pretty funny when (earlier in the thread) you see comparisons of Boy Scouts to the farkin KKK.

But it's okay for you to compare homosexuals and pedophiles. I see.

DoesItReallyMatter

I don't know about you, but a gay man's intentions of joining the Boy Scouts smacks of either molestation or indoctrination.

You know, that's kinda funny, because I've worked with daycares and Boys and Girls clubs, and the only people ever to actually talk about their sexuality were, you guessed it... straight people. The homosexuals never actually discussed their sexuality.

The problem with you is that you make an outrageous statement, and when someone catches you on it, you immediately state that you're leaving this thread, because people don't believe what you believe.

/and the KKK comparison was the fact that people stated that they should be able to still have rights they used to
//we noted that it shouldn't work because the KKK would then have rights to violate others rights

DoesItReallyMatter: I don't know about you, but a gay man's intentions of joining the Boy Scouts smacks of either molestation or indoctrination.

Zeus, but you're an ass - most pedophiles are straight.

DoesItReallyMatter: Pedophilia is still a disease. I'd hope you'd agree that it should be

I agree that pedophilia is a psychological disorder. (I don't like the term disease, because it seems too general - like having the flu or something.)


>>What happens when the AMA says, "Hey, pedo is no longer a disease, it's normal!"

Even if that happened, I'm not sure it would change anything legally. There is sill the legal concept of age of consent. The idea being that below a certain age, one cannot legally consent to sexually activities. So it is not possible to legally have sexual contact with a minor regardless of the gender or sexual preference of any of the parties involved.


>>I hope to god that pedophilia acts remain illegal.

I agree with you here. NAMBLA, and predators of children in general disgust me more than just about any other person I can think of at the moment. They are below Nazi's and people who enjoy torturing puppy dogs. Even a prison population of convicted murderers seems to agree, from what I have heard of the treatment of molesters in prison.

Protecting a child is a very basic instinct. Those that do not feel this instinct are not psychologically well. I do not disagree with your moral compass on this issue. I would not want my child to be hanging around a child molester either.

But I don't think it is reasonable to apply this standard to only homosexual child predators. Unfortunately there are many heterosexual child molesters as well.

I think homosexuality and pedophilia are statistically independent traits. I haven't seen any study that found a higher incidence of pedophilia among homosexuals vs heterosexuals.

Finally, just because an adult pedophile may fixate on children of the same sex doesn't make them a homosexual.

If they intentionall gain access to be a Boy Scout leader and he is a MAN, you're going to make a case he's not gay?

I still have yet to see the Homosexual Lobby show their disapproval of molesting boys. Since that seems to be a "huge misconception", I'm surprised that the Gay Lobby has not found the time to debunk such a myth.

If they did, I couldn't find it.

Challenge: Find one open homosexual who was in the scouts that has been convicted of molesting a scout.

Well, I guess they're OUTED when they're caught playing with boys.

... and you haven't addressed why it's okay to compare homosexuality to pedophilia.

I didn't realize I was subjected to answer every point you brought up.

But here's your answer: NAMBLA members are open about their homosexuality.

NAMBLA also has very similar points to the Homosexual Lobby.

NAMBLA - It's about Love
NAMBLA - We believe sex is good and wholesome.... We encourage and support young people in their rebellions against the anti-sexual restrictions imposed upon them by adults - parents, police, "moral" crusaders, the church, the law, and the state.'

I see that Boy Scouts falls under both "moral" crusaders and the church - and both groups are adamant about rebelling against the restrictions.

Dunno, but anti-sexual restrictions led to laws being passed for gays just recently, as have age of consent been lowered in many states. Not like there was a crack-team pulling gays out of each other that I knew of... so it seems to me that there's a different agenda at hand.

Homosexuals, on the other hand, have been lobbying for lower age restricions on consentual sex. JUST LIKE NAMBLA.

Funny, Pedophiles and Homosexuals are the only lobbies that adamantly pushes for the age of having sex with kids lower. Consistently.

Why is that?

I still stand by my original statement that gay doesn't equate to pedophile - I know lots of gays who are not into kids. But a pedophile who has a homosexual relationship with the same sex IS a homosexual. Do we change homosexual because of an age difference? Homo=same gender sexual=sex But you see now why I continue to make the comparison?

Because it exists.

DoesItReallyMatter: I still have yet to see the Homosexual Lobby show their disapproval of molesting boys.

And I have yet to see the Heterosexual Lobby show their disapproval of molesting girls.

NAMBLA also has very similar points to the Homosexual Lobby.

Freedom to engage in mutual congress between two consenting adults is not "similar" to the freedom of a legal adult to engage in congress with a legal minor, or other entity other than "consenting adult". Minors cannot be consenting adults. Goats cannot be consenting adults. Stop repeating this moronic talking point, it makes you sound farking retarded.

Homosexuals, on the other hand, have been lobbying for lower age restricions on consentual sex.

Reference?

Sloth
Why? Because you don't understand basic common-law? There's a huge gulf between consenting adults and legal minors.

Then explain why homosexuals are trying to change the laws for Age of Consent, and yet no National Gay Organization is saying, "Hey, there's a limit before it's pedophelia, guys".

Sorry, not good at linking. You'll have to do your own work.

http://www.petertatchell.net/

Click on Age of Consent. 14 years old?!

In 1972, the National Coalition of Gay Organizations adopted a Gay Rights platform that included the following demand: "Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent."

In fact, I'm led to believe that these organizations WANT age restrictions gone, and they do it under the gay banner.

I will repeat: I am not accusing gay people here of being pedophiles. But I'm explaining why I make that connection in this matter, and why I defend the position.

So.... Why lower age of consent?

DoesItReallyMatter:If they intentionall gain access to be a Boy Scout leader and he is a MAN, you're going to make a case he's not gay?

If who intentionally gains access? Do you even know what it means to be gay? How can you dismiss the fact that they are married with children? Where did those children come from? The cabbage patch?

Well, I guess they're OUTED when they're caught playing with boys.

I said open homosexual, not "outed". They are not the same. So far all you got are married men. What good is it to ban people that are already open about their homosexuality with no record while people who hide their desires are allowed in to the scouts?

There is only one reason: prejudice.

I still have yet to see the Homosexual Lobby show their disapproval of molesting boys.

Then you aren't looking. They do it all the time. What's sad is, homosexuals shouldn't have to. Do we require that you denounce heterosexual crimes?

I didn't realize I was subjected to answer every point you brought up.

You aren't, but it is quite telling when you don't.

NAMBLA also has very similar points to the Homosexual Lobby.

Duh. Of course they do. They want acceptance, and attaching themselves to homosexual causes does just that.

But do you see any homosexual organizations saying the same about NAMBLA? How about this? When was the last time NAMBLA was allowed to participate in a Pride parade?

And why do you fixate on NAMBLA so much? A tiny organizations of pedophiles. There are other pedophilia rings out there that cater to all "orientations". Why don't you compare yourself to them?

Homosexuals, on the other hand, have been lobbying for lower age restricions on consentual sex. JUST LIKE NAMBLA.

Source? Care to prove that claim? Name one homosexual organization that has done this.

Funny, Pedophiles and Homosexuals are the only lobbies that adamantly pushes for the age of having sex with kids lower. Consistently.

Untrue. All the pedophilia organizations do. Not just the one you have heard of. This isn't surprising, since it's what they're into.

But a pedophile who has a homosexual relationship with the same sex IS a homosexual.

Really? Their wives would be surprised.

Besides, all the professionals disagree with you. Pedophilia, more often then not, is about power and control. Gender usually doesn't matter.

You still haven't address why most pedophiles are heterosexuals. Most are Married men molesting little girls.

So, can I assume you are into little girls?

I did a good search on Homosexuals Condemn Child Molesters.

I didn't get anything but this:

(And Sloth, consider this your challenge accepted)

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=13203

A coalition of groups protesting Boy Scouts of America's policy of not accepting homosexual leaders and members chose a convicted child molester to lead it.

John Hemstreet -- an alcoholic, former Boy Scout leader, former priest and convicted child molester -- told WorldNetDaily he is an example of the type of person who should be permitted to be a Boy Scout leader. Indeed, he said he was a great scoutmaster.

President of the Toledo, Ohio, chapters of Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) and Scouting for All, Hemstreet organized a protest demonstration on Monday in front of the Erie Shores Boy Scouts of America Council.

DoesItReallyMatter: In 1972,

1972?!?!?

That's all you got? An organization that doesn't exist anymore made a statement over 30 years ago??

DoesItReallyMatter: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=13203

Oh yes, World Nut Daily. There you go. Not an unbiased source at all. Sorry. Got an AP or Reuters source? Better yet, how about the APA? The AMA?

Finally, the man was not caught while in the scouts.

Click on Age of Consent. 14 years old?!

Still is in some states with the the consent of a parent or legal gaurdian: Alabama. Other states are at 15. Why aren't you going after them?

DoesItReallyMatter: Then explain why homosexuals are trying to change the laws for Age of Consent, and yet no National Gay Organization is saying, "Hey, there's a limit before it's pedophelia, guys".

http://www.petertatchell.net/

Peter Tatchell? Are you farking serious?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Tatchell
1) Dude's British, I thought we were discussing American lobbies.
2) Dude's farking Goofy.

But, hey, are you seriously going to claim that SCs recent lowering of the age of consent was due to the gay lobby?

Sorry, I meant Sloth to be Snarfy... I think...

Duh. Of course they do. They want acceptance, and attaching themselves to homosexual causes does just that.

And the fact that age of consent, and the inability to condemn that group is very telling also.


And why do you fixate on NAMBLA so much? A tiny organizations of pedophiles. There are other pedophilia rings out there that cater to all "orientations". Why don't you compare yourself to them?

Because their political clout is louder, and despite small numbers, appear organized, defiant and determined.

Really? Their wives would be surprised.

Oh, whew. Here I was thinking that all pedophiles were married and only dated women with that rare exception. Of course, NONE could be homosexuals, despite the same sex arrangement.

You still haven't address why most pedophiles are heterosexuals. Most are Married men molesting little girls.
So, can I assume you are into little girls?

If I had said all gays are pedos, I guess that would make sense. But I didn't. Don't be an asshat.

I don't suppose the number of heterosexuals vs. the number of homosexuals would have ANY statistical bearing whatsoever on the number of children molested, and by whom.

Every time I bring up a statistic, I'm told it's flawed, wrong, outdated, or from an "obvious biased" source, etc.

For your other requests of "sources", see timestamp 6:14.

Uh oh. Why would PFLAG organize a protest with an alcoholic, former Boy Scout leader, former priest and convicted child molester to be a spokesperson for...

Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays if they oppose child molesting, Snarfy?

Snarfy?

Well, here we go again.

You ask for sources.

I give them.

"Meh. They suck."

Here's the link. August 2000. PFLAG.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=13203

DoesItReallyMatter: I did a good search on Homosexuals Condemn Child Molesters.

I didn't get anything but this:

(And Sloth, consider this your challenge accepted)

"Three victims of Mayor Jim West's predatory and appalling behavior have already come forward and, based on what we know about pedophiles, it's almost certain there are many more. Some media reports quote people as saying this is a 'tragic' situation for West and imply that his conduct showed he was 'uncomfortable with his identity.' Nonsense. Pedophilic behavior is always wrong and has nothing do with sexual orientation. This man - whether he's straight, bisexual, or gay - deserves nothing but scorn. He needs to resign immediately."

-Matt Foreman, Executive Director, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force

DoesItReallyMatter: I will repeat: I am not accusing gay people here of being pedophiles. But I'm explaining why I make that connection in this matter, and why I defend the position.

Hey, I'm not saying the straight christians here are pedophiles, but I'll just point out that most pedophiles are straight and christian. Say, aren't you straight and Christian? Keep away from my kids...

At least GLAAD has a decent stance.

I finally found one.

That, coupled with the notion of man/boy love, has caused gay rights groups to distance themselves from the pro-pedophilia movement to preserve their efforts for acceptance in the mainstream.

"We completely condemn these types of organizations. There's no question about it," said Michael Young, the associate director of regional media for the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD.

Source: http://weblog.theviewfromthecore.com/2004_02/ind_003211.html

/I hate correcting myself
//but I feel a little better anyway

DoesItReallyMatter

Uh oh. Why would PFLAG organize a protest with an alcoholic, former Boy Scout leader, former priest and convicted child molester to be a spokesperson for...

Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays if they oppose child molesting, Snarfy?

Because every side has it's loonies, okay, we get that. I mean, look at the fundamental mormans. Do they represent all straight people? Comeon.

But that does not answer the central question. Does the boy scouts, a public institution that gets funding from the government have a right to discriminate? And the answer is no. They may be able to say, "a criminal record check is required", but to deny all homosexuals on the potential of wrongdoing is discriminatory.

Sloth
Hey, I'm not saying the straight christians here are pedophiles, but I'll just point out that most pedophiles are straight and christian. Say, aren't you straight and Christian? Keep away from my kids...

LOL.

I think you meant Catholics. But in all fairness, I don't think my denomination "officially" distances themselves from child molesting priests by issuing public statements on the websites. One point for you.

(Maybe World Net Daily has THAT story...)

Boy Scouts DON'T discriminate. A private group can make it's own rules. That is not descrimination.

You are apparently unaware of the definition of the word "descrimination". What the Boy Scouts of America practices is, in fact, discrimination. That they are a private organization does not alter that fact.


If it was an atheist group you would'nt see this kind of discrimination and persecution by hypocritical, self righteous, non members.

Your strawman attacks coupled with ad hominem does not, in any way, demonstrate a point in your favor.

DoesItReallyMatter: (Maybe World Net Daily has THAT story...)

World Nut Daily has *every* story, true or not :)

Because every side has it's loonies, okay, we get that. I mean, look at the fundamental mormans. Do they represent all straight people? Comeon.

Hey, I've gone out of my way to clarify my point. Do you really think average conservative Christians tune into farkin Pat Robertson and his 600 Club or whatever? Do you think I shorthand and document Rush Viagraugh?

Does the boy scouts, a public institution that gets funding from the government have a right to discriminate? And the answer is no. They may be able to say, "a criminal record check is required", but to deny all homosexuals on the potential of wrongdoing is discriminatory.

When it was written, the Scout Oath was never intended to keep gay people out. Back in 1908, I doubt they were engaging in these socio-political issues.

The official resolution happened in 2002.

Can someone yet explain what a grown adult homosexual man wants with a group of boys, and why this fight is so important to the gay community? I still contend that it's because it is a conservative diety-respecting institution, and that is simply not tolerated by the gay community.

Different from your thinking, perhaps. But deserving of a penalty like ripping funding, both Public AND urging companies to withold PRIVATE fundings also? I disagree. It appears that the intention is to destroy organizations that don't agree with what you say. Fine - that's your right, that's even the law for the Public Funds, and each company's right for the Private Funds.

But punishing the Boy Scouts financially is NOT tolerance by ANY stretch of the imagination.

World Nut Daily has *every* story, true or not :)

Damn. Can someone give me a list of approved sites to quote? :)

DoesItReallyMatter: And the fact that age of consent, and the inability to condemn that group is very telling also.

You can't find a way to condemn them? Are you serious?

To quote South Park: "Dude, you %*&^ children".

Because their political clout is louder, and despite small numbers, appear organized, defiant and determined.

Really? What political clout. Give me their lobbying efforts and monies donated lobbying. Are are you just making shait up?

The appear to be to anyone that is gullible. THe reality is, to anyone that does a little research, is that they are a a small group of whackos.

Oh, whew. Here I was thinking that all pedophiles were married and only dated women with that rare exception. Of course, NONE could be homosexuals, despite the same sex arrangement.

Some could be. But you make the statement that if a man farks a boy he MUST be a homosexual. That's just ignorant.

If I had said all gays are pedos, I guess that would make sense. But I didn't. Don't be an asshat.

Really, then why did you require that gay people speak out against NAMBLA, again?

I don't suppose the number of heterosexuals vs. the number of homosexuals would have ANY statistical bearing whatsoever on the number of children molested, and by whom.

I have yet to see such a statistic from a reputable course.

Uh oh. Why would PFLAG organize a protest with an alcoholic, former Boy Scout leader, former priest and convicted child molester to be a spokesperson for...

Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays if they oppose child molesting, Snarfy?

Um, like I said, point me to an artilce that isn't in World Net Daily. I would be willing to bet that they weren't protesting that particular person. But WND wouuld like you to think so.

PS. Why didn't you highlight Parents and Friends? Those are the members of PFLAG, you know. They are an rganization of heterosexuals. Good example you got there.