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(MLive)   Black people in the U.S. want slavery reparations. How about a compromise: If you were ever a slave, you get $10 million?   (mlive.com) divider line 1277
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2006-07-11 04:13:05 PM  
Shadow Blasko: "The sons of the pharohs are upset that my ancestors owned slaves???!!?? Nice!"

Sons of the pharaohs? Hate to break it to you, but the pharaohs weren't black.
 
2006-07-11 04:13:18 PM  
America, land of entitlement, where even the poor get fat.

I really wish there was a political party that actually reinforced personal responsibility, and rewarded people for getting ahead on their own.

Still beats living anywhere else, I guess.
 
2006-07-11 04:13:18 PM  
pandabear: I thought the going rate was forty acres and a mule.

Beat me to it. Who was the assclown at the 2004 Democratic Convention that started railing in on Republicans, and ended with going off on Abraham Lincoln over 40 acres and a mule? Jackson? I don't remember.

Ok, I did a search. Sorry, Reverend Jesse Jackson. It was none other than Al Sharpton. Way to go Rev. Al!
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2004/alsharpton2004dnc.htm
 
2006-07-11 04:13:46 PM  
What about people who have ancestors that were slaves and other ancestors who were slave holders? Would they get the reparations and then have to pay them back?
 
2006-07-11 04:14:06 PM  
Great Grand Pappy fought for the Union and marched all the way through Georgia and burned a lot of wholesome white peoples homes to end slavery. If intergeneraltional payback is OK then I need a "thank you very much!!" from every African American looking for reparations.

/don't really expect anything
//neither should anybody else
 
2006-07-11 04:14:11 PM  
You all can't really be this oblivious. I don't really believe in reparations, but how can one not understand the intent? Many racial groups have been compensated by the US for wrongs committed against them.

We all benefit from the struggles of those dead, so yes, you are succeededing because of the enslavement of others. So, you easily beenefit and could held financially responsible as is the black tax payer.

Many people don't know their origins because of slavery and civil rights movement had to happen because of slavery (because despite the freedom gained lawfully, the rest of the country hadn't caught up to that law). It wasn't very long ago that one couldn't drink from certain foutains because of one's skin color. My grandmother and parents went through it and so did yours, regardless of their color. The people who suffered due to slavery aren't dead nor gone, so why should we pretend like it's effects are?
 
2006-07-11 04:14:17 PM  
Actually it might be more fair to find the tribes in sub Saharan Africa that sold slaves into servatude to get reparations. It wasn't like a bunch of Norwegians in SPF 190 were running around rounding up people.
 
2006-07-11 04:14:31 PM  
do i get reparations for my polish ancestors who were round up and placed into labor camps? what about my sicilian ancestors whose land was repeatedly pillaged and raped?

What about my family (direct family, grandparents and great grandparents) that were tortured and killed by Communists in the Greek Civil War?

About 95% of all Anglo-descent whites came here in Colonial times as indentured servants. Their survival rate was worse than slaves, because an indentured servant was like the colonial equivalent of a rental car.

Other whites came from Slavic countries. Their name literally means 'slave' and the feudal serf system still practiced in Eastern Europe was brutal.


No they didn't. Slavic countries don't include southern and parts of eastern Europe (Italy, Greece, Spain, etc.) and Slavic hasn't a thing to do with slaves.
 
2006-07-11 04:14:32 PM  
NightWulf

Yeah sure it is. Myabe it have nothign to do with the drug dealing, the gang shootings, the drivebys and the trashing of said homes. naaaaah

The damage from redlining was done decades before drugs, gang shootings, and drivebys were widespread.
 
2006-07-11 04:14:34 PM  
SoylentGreen So there is no family history of money, education, or success to pass down.

I grew up as a poor white boy, father died when I was young. I am pretty sure I was the first of my father's family to go to college.

Look at today's wealthy, successfull white men...Bush family, the Kennedy's, Gates, Trump, etc...
So yes, I believe black people are entitled to reparations


So in your mind successful = billionaire or political powerhouse and multimillionare? So if there isn't a black Bill Gates then every african american should be a millionaire?

I feel kind of bad for you or anyone who thinks that going to college and getting a good job with decent pay is not successful.
 
2006-07-11 04:14:54 PM  
slayer199: My great-grandparents emigrated here AFTER slavery was abolished. So I'm not paying a cent.

Ditto. My first ancestor in the U.S. arrived in 1875, and if they come to collect reparations from me, they'll have a fight on their hands.

I am willing to compromise, however. In lieu of cash, I would become Halle Berry's slave for one day.
 
2006-07-11 04:15:27 PM  
Ummmm.....I'm all about equality and an end to racism, but damn. I understand whitey makes things hard for you, but whitey makes things hard for everyone who isn't white and middle class. Besides, there are many cultural and ethnic groups who suffered as much during american history as any black person has in the last 40 years. I'm a russian jew, and an immigrant, and don't think things were easy for me. Meanwhile, I'm not begging for any handouts.

This goes simillarly for all the people who claim the SAT's are biased. I came over to this country from a completely different culture, but had no problem doing well on the SAT's, but minorities who grew up in America are trying to tell me that it's biased against them because of cultural differences? What is this crap?

Mind you, I'm not absolving the government from any of the harms it caused and continues to cause, but the plight of urban blacks is at least half their own fault. Ghetto culture is a self-perpetuating cycle, and as long as going to jail or selling enough drugs to afford chrome 22's continues to earn more respect than graduating college, this problem is going to continue and theres nothing the government can do to stop it.

The plight of low income urban citizens is an internal cultural problem, not something that can be legislated away. At the risk of sounding racist, I still have to say that if reparations were paid, I doubt that the majority of that money would go towards benefiting the community or enriching peoples lives in any meaningfull way. Dave Chappelle was pretty close on target with his reparations skit.

/Hates racism
//Hates blaming the government for all social ills even more
 
2006-07-11 04:15:28 PM  
They want reparations already?

Shoot, we just gave them the vote 40 years ago....baby steps, people.
 
2006-07-11 04:15:56 PM  
GOOD JOB SUBMITTER
/golf clap
 
2006-07-11 04:16:25 PM  
Rap is culture. In fact, rap music is probably the best thing to happen to young men since young women.

If you really listen to rap it's about diction, achievement, fairness and social issues that most of us would agree need attention. When they say, "It ain't easy being a pimp", they're not talking about Huggy-bear style pimpin'. Its a metaphor for success in whatever they do.

this is not a free cheque to be stupid, and or, to launch thinly vieled racist remarks

Sticks and stones, dude.
 
2006-07-11 04:16:38 PM  
the pharaohs weren't black.


Most weren't but I have heard that Kush took conquered Egypt and were Pharohs for a few generations in the Old Kingdom.
 
BHK
2006-07-11 04:16:39 PM  
I'm a slave to people who think that the fruit of my labor should go to line their pockets.
 
2006-07-11 04:16:44 PM  
"I am willing to compromise, however. In lieu of cash, I would become Halle Berry's slave for one day."

Too bad she's more white than anything.
 
2006-07-11 04:16:45 PM  
Since there was a huge amount of miscegenation during slavery and since, I figure 'black people' in practice can probably take $100 out of one pocket and put it in the other and call it a day.
 
2006-07-11 04:16:59 PM  
Lusiphur: I understand whitey makes things hard for you, but whitey makes things hard for everyone who isn't white and middle class.

Whitey makes things hard for the white middle-class folk, too.
 
2006-07-11 04:17:00 PM  
infantry
blame white people for everything

Who else can they blame, white people own everything.

\except banks, Jews own banks
\\and mysteriously close them for Christmas...
\\\back slashies for back payments
 
2006-07-11 04:17:05 PM  
White people looove black people.
 
2006-07-11 04:17:12 PM  
10 Million dollars?
Is that what 40 acres and a mule are going for these days?
 
2006-07-11 04:17:19 PM  
I would also like to add that yes, the music IS farking things up.

Has anyone ever lived in a black area? A poor neighborhood?

Here's a good example...

"I been drinkin and smokin holdin shiat cause a brother can't focus
I gotta get to home 'fore the po po's scope this big ol Excursion swerving all up in the curve man
nubian been sippin on that Hennessey and the gin again is in again we in the wind
Doin a hundred while I puff on the blunt"

Yet he accuses of the cop of...

"Thinkin they'll catch me on the wrong well keep tryin
Cause they denyin is racial profiling"

Uhhh, you're correctly being profiled. I'm sorry that a high proportion of people dressed like thugs choose to act in this manner. Maybe you should represent better.
 
2006-07-11 04:17:19 PM  
schmack: Here's an idea. What we do is, hand out $5,000 "Slavery Reparations" credit cards. Then we buy stock in strip clubs, crack dealers, and liquor companies. We'll have our money back in six months.


Dude, I want to meet a crack dealer that sells shares in his business!
 
2006-07-11 04:17:22 PM  
NEVER.
GONNA.
HAPPEN.

Seriously, this isn't like nazi reparations for persons who are the immediate ancestors of persons killed in the holocaust who could prove their lineage, this is just whiny money-grabbing.

Even if there was some amount of money the U.S. could payout to Blacks (without going bankrupt), and even assuming you could devise a fair way to determine which Black people to pay claims to (yeah right), you know what would happen?

Every single time a Black person opened their mouth to complain about some racist occurence from that day forward, they would be drowned out by a sea of angry White people shouting "shut up asshole, you got reparations- we're even-steven now buddy!"

I don't think we need to go there.
 
2006-07-11 04:17:26 PM  
tarrant and infantry -

When you use terms like "they" and "them" -- are you referring to all African-Americans, or are you generalizing about an entire race?
 
2006-07-11 04:17:32 PM  
"I'm a slave to people who think that the fruit of my labor should go to line their pockets."

Winner.
 
2006-07-11 04:17:40 PM  
RembrandtQEinstein

I wonder how much money government on all levels would save if we just stopped collecting race based data. Then while we are at it eliminate any office or program that focused on a specific race.

I know this will be impossible due to those who wish to divide people into easily manipulated groups based on arbitrary collective identity. Then claim leadership or speakership positions in those groups to as to attract attention and avoid doing real work.



Of course, the thing about it is that there are real divides in the paradigms of different races, and when you try ignoring that, people start rioting like in France almost a year ago in France, disaffecte immagrants and the general poor rioted because they were ignored and one of the causes of that was "racially blind" legislation and governemnt bodies.
 
2006-07-11 04:17:47 PM  
How about you pay them and ship them back to africa?
When did slavary end, was it so long since a black person worked?
 
2006-07-11 04:17:53 PM  
twobit needs booobies like I need another mouth.
 
2006-07-11 04:18:09 PM  
The Homer Tax: Shoot, we just gave them the vote 40 years ago....baby steps, people.

1870 + 40 = 2006?
 
2006-07-11 04:18:13 PM  
Please consider that the affects of slavery are still seen today. No one doubts that blacks have been oppressed for generations. This means that those same blacks who would have started businesses and large families to support...did not do so. So there is no family history of money, education, or success to pass down.

Look at today's wealthy, successfull white men. They all come from families of money and connections, some that last generations. The black people have no "old money", no "homeland" that sends over money or support, and no family history of connections. Just look at the Bush family, the Kennedy's, Gates, Trump, etc. Sure, slavery was outlawed a long time ago, but that doesn't mean that blacks were allowed to run willy-nilly and get educations and start business. That sort of thing only started 30-40 years ago!

And why? Slavery!

So yes, I believe black people are entitled to reparations.


Wow. Yes. All white people are exactly like the Kennedy family, the Gates family, and the Trumps. Actually, I could be mistaken here, but I seem to remember seeing something about how Trump's dad was pretty poor and earned his money the old fashioned way (working for it). I'd say that although the types of families you mentioned do account for probably half the wealth in the country, they only account for about 1% of the "wealthy white" population. Most upper-middle class white people's families were pretty common if you go back two generations. My grandfather didn't get past the 5th grade, my mom was the first generation in her family to go to college (and she failed out), but I managed to get into a great college, start a great career, and now I make a damned good living. I agree that slavery definitely had some VERY negative repercussions, but it's not like all of our families came over on the Mayflower. You take the hand you're dealt, and you play it the best you can. You work hard to improve life for yourself and future generations. I'm sure that at some point in history, every family has been wronged in some way. Life sucks. GEt over it.

By the way, I actually am in favor of affirmative action (at least in the educational system).
 
2006-07-11 04:18:28 PM  
allanhowls

hey there buddy! i am describing a cultural phenomenon that is coming out of the inner city and being pushed by mtv. i am simply describing my observations about real life. i call it like i see it. i guess if i disagree with you on anything, or if i disagree with black people than i am a racist. OH WELL, CALL ME A RACIST! WOW!

/black people love me!
 
2006-07-11 04:18:29 PM  
k.a.t.r.i.n.a.
 
2006-07-11 04:18:36 PM  
WarpZone
Khaal
/half black, half Irish
//do I pay myself?

shiat, you should get paid double.


WINNER!
 
2006-07-11 04:18:45 PM  
maybe not money. how about 30 acres and a mule? in exchange for 2/5 of their person, that is.
 
2006-07-11 04:18:57 PM  
I'd sue the English for being denied my birthright (Irish aristocracy), but then I'd have to pony up and pay myself (more Sassenach ancestry than Gael).

I like stories.
 
2006-07-11 04:19:27 PM  
tarrant84

>Legitimization of rap music as "culture." Simply stated, the kids imitate what they see on TV. Instead of shunning this behavior of calling women hos, glorifying the drug trade, and acting against society, we call it "multiculturalism."

You know you're in trouble when your research material for social and cultural analysis is MTV and UPN. I see you've really studied this one hard.

If you knew your cultural history, you'd know that predominantly white purchasing power has driven the gang-related fetish that modern popular rap ascribes to. However, this only took hold in the mid 90s; before that, most rap was much more socially positive. However, white culture began to emulate black culture and embrased the gang culture was it was glamorized via MTV and such. Since most of the money came from white folks, you can lay as much, if not most of the blame for the mainstream ligitimization of gang cutlure. If you can name some of the rap groups before gangster rap took over the mainstream, you will generate enough creditibility for me continuing this dicussion. Until then, I perceive your rhetoric to be yet another simple minded attempt at analysing complex problems with finger-pointing over simplification. See Elvis, gyrating hips.

The lack of empathy or a desire to understand problems beyond the simple 'not in my backyard' arm-chair coaching belies the validity of your input. I am glad I do not know many people like you in real life; you tend to be as much a part of the problem as you think you have the solution.
 
2006-07-11 04:19:30 PM  
danlpoon: Rap is culture. In fact, rap music is probably the best thing to happen to young men since young women.

If you really listen to rap it's about diction, achievement, fairness and social issues that most of us would agree need attention. When they say, "It ain't easy being a pimp", they're not talking about Huggy-bear style pimpin'. Its a metaphor for success in whatever they do.

this is not a free cheque to be stupid, and or, to launch thinly vieled racist remarks

Sticks and stones, dude.


I was listening to rap yesterday. It was from a car that was in front of me. In fact, everyone on the block was listening to rap. I hope that assjack goes deaf.

/get off of my lawn
 
2006-07-11 04:19:42 PM  
Shenanigans_

Anyone who subscribes to the notion that they are somehow different.

If the Irish wanted reparations, they'd be a "they".

Also, I don't want to hear this racist shiat. My roommate is black. It's not a black and white thing. It's a "some black people pull a bunch of bullshiat and try to use race to justify it" type thing.
 
2006-07-11 04:19:48 PM  
Race aside, it's also (fortunately or unfortunately) true that if you completely turned over the wealth of society from top to bottom, within a generation most of the same people would have most of it all back again.

/So if someone wants reparations, paradoxically, they better wait until they aren't in a position to need them anymore.
 
2006-07-11 04:19:49 PM  
The Southern Dandy

What about people who have ancestors that were slaves and other ancestors who were slave holders? Would they get the reparations and then have to pay them back?


Like Strom Thurmond's illegitamate daughter?
 
2006-07-11 04:20:23 PM  
reparations-smeparations - the company paid for relocation.
 
2006-07-11 04:20:38 PM  
One of my grandfathers on my dad's side was a slave owner. No, I'm not proud of that, not ashamed of it either. But, since I'm adopted, am I gonna have to pony up or do I get passed?
 
2006-07-11 04:20:42 PM  
Shenanigans_

i am generalizing about trash. not all black people are like this, but i think the majority who live in the inner city are like this. go to your local ward, or hood (whatever you want to call it) and go drive around. if the people living there were nice and upstanding, you wouldnt have litter all over the place, graffiti everywhere, no drug dealers, probably not a lot of prostitutes, and there might even be a fresh coat of paint on some of the houses.
 
2006-07-11 04:21:04 PM  
www.nyackindians.com
 
2006-07-11 04:21:11 PM  
Advocates are calling for boycotts until such companies make reparations, said Kibibi Tyehimba, national co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America, or N'COBRA.

img6.imagepile.net

/wonders if I'm going to get any hate mail over this?
 
2006-07-11 04:21:13 PM  
I thought that everyone descended from africans. Therefore everyone wins a prize. But seriously, the only people who need it are the native americans.
 
2006-07-11 04:21:37 PM  
Well, an apology is out of the question, and I'm assuming "Rice Krispies" is some kind of black slang for money, so here's $10,000.

/obscure?
 
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