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(Some Clueless Guy)   Pro-life blogger STILL doesn't understand that The Onion article he cited was made up   (marchtogether.blogspot.com) divider line 165
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2006-07-11 09:32:07 AM  
Um, except that he says in the linked entry that he does indeed understand that. He merely claims that the Onion article's opinion was a reasonable reflection of pro-choice opinions.
 
2006-07-11 09:37:34 AM  
There is no Caroline Weber.
 
2006-07-11 09:39:52 AM  
Look, the "pro-life" movement is linked to outdated notions that god makes babies in the womb via magic. God doesn't make zygotes, there are scientific processes that govern procreation. A clump of cells doesn't have a soul, and the government doesn't have the right to intrude on what goes on between a woman and her doctor. You don't like abortions? Don't have one.
 
2006-07-11 09:42:25 AM  
Geez, It's a joke. Get a farking sense of humor! The Onion has that kind of humor about both sides of every issue. I'm certain that if they haven't had it already they will soon have a pro-choice joke about a woman who, even though she was raped by her mongoliod uncle, she is really looking forward to having this baby, even if it kills her. I'm certain pro-lifers will get a big kick out of that one.
 
2006-07-11 09:42:31 AM  
"in the field"

is how this guy describes reality.
 
2006-07-11 09:44:01 AM  
Sorry, "they will soon have a pro-choice joke" should have been "they will soon have a pro-life joke".

/figured you knew what I meant anyway
 
2006-07-11 09:44:15 AM  
ThatDevGuy: Um, except that he says in the linked entry that he does indeed understand that. He merely claims that the Onion article's opinion was a reasonable reflection of pro-choice opinions.

I think it says something about the state of this guy's head in that he is very quick to point to a ridiculously exagerrated impression of the pro-choice movement and say "Well, this must be true. Sounds about right for that evil lot of murderous assholes who just LOVE killing their children!"
 
2006-07-11 09:45:41 AM  
ThatDevGuy: He merely claims that the Onion article's opinion was a reasonable reflection of pro-choice opinions.

No. He merely claims that he's met a few nutters and he's based his view of all pro-choicers on them.
 
2006-07-11 09:47:01 AM  
CtrlAltDelete: I think it says something about the state of this guy's head in that he is very quick to point to a ridiculously exagerrated impression of the pro-choice movement

Meh, we all do it when we firmly believe in something. Everybody distorts the opinions of their opponents. In fact, at least one person who doesn't believe me will be distorting this very post!

Smotto

That doesn't make sense.
 
2006-07-11 09:47:29 AM  
How "pro-life" is he? Is he against the death penalty too?

/reluctantly pro-choice
//also pro-death penalty, but support a moratorium until better rules of evidence can be established
//not sure what that makes me, besides a mad slasher bwahahaha
 
2006-07-11 09:49:08 AM  
I love pro-life nutjobs. Makes it so much easier to be rational.
 
2006-07-11 09:50:04 AM  
Boojum2k: How "pro-life" is he? Is he against the death penalty too?

Being "pro-life" has nothing to do with the death penalty.

People seem to have a difficult time distinguishing between "unborn fetus" and "murderer guilty of killing spree". I'm not sure why.
 
2006-07-11 09:50:49 AM  
ctenidae: I love pro-life nutjobs. Makes it so much easier to be rational.

To be rational by... doing the same thing he did? By... lumping all pro-life individuals into a description based on a subset of nutters?
 
2006-07-11 09:51:49 AM  
ThatDevGuy: Being "pro-life" has nothing to do with the death penalty.

Seriously? You're comfortable with that one?
 
2006-07-11 09:51:49 AM  
ThatDevGuy: Meh, we all do it when we firmly believe in something. Everybody distorts the opinions of their opponents.

True. I just wish people were more intelligent than that. Same goes for people who thinks Bush sits in an underground lair pointing at large populations of brown people on a map saying "Kill them! Kill them for their sweet, wonderful OIL!! MUAHAHAHA!!"

I'm just saying... Damn, dude. People suck.
 
2006-07-11 09:52:02 AM  
ThatDevGuy: People seem to have a difficult time distinguishing between "unborn fetus" and "murderer guilty of killing spree".


What about the wrongly accused and sentenced on Death Row?
 
2006-07-11 09:52:34 AM  
The Onanist: What about the wrongly accused and sentenced on Death Row?

What if the baby would have been the next Dr King and brought about a new era of peace to the world?
 
2006-07-11 09:52:59 AM  
CtrlAltDelete: Same goes for people who thinks Bush sits in an underground lair pointing at large populations of brown people on a map saying "Kill them! Kill them for their sweet, wonderful OIL!! MUAHAHAHA!!"


He doesn't??
 
2006-07-11 09:54:26 AM  
ThatDevGuy: What if the baby would have been the next Dr King and brought about a new era of peace to the world?

That's the woman's choice to make.
 
2006-07-11 09:54:32 AM  
ThatDevGuy: What if the baby would have been the next Dr King and brought about a new era of peace to the world?

Well, one would also have to say that every time they splooged in a toilet; or every time a woman menstrates. That EGG or any of those THOUSANDS of SPERM could have been the next leader to promote peace and harmony. It isn't a valid argument.
 
2006-07-11 09:54:43 AM  
ThatDevGuy: People seem to have a difficult time distinguishing between "unborn fetus" and "murderer guilty of killing spree". I'm not sure why.

It's about respect for life. If you think a fetus is life and you think you shouldn't kill it because you respect life, then that same logic SHOULD apply to the death penalty.
 
2006-07-11 09:56:32 AM  
ThatDevGuy: Sorry, that's the closest I could come to making a joke about wet blankets.
 
2006-07-11 09:57:14 AM  
CtrlAltDelete: That EGG or any of those THOUSANDS of SPERM could have been the next leader to promote peace and harmony.

Millions of sperm, probably, all of which are useless on their own. A sperm is not a person. An egg is not a person. Neither the sperm nor the egg alone determines the genetic makeup of the person. However, when the child is conceived, he is indeed a person who will develop definite personality traits over the next nine months. It is during that time, not while he is still in his dad's testicles, that he can be recognized as an individual.

The Onanist: That's the woman's choice to make.

Well, then you can't complain that there are no good politicians. I'll just argue that there would have been, but they were all aborted.
 
2006-07-11 09:57:55 AM  
Action Replay Nick: Look, the "pro-life" movement is linked to outdated notions that god makes babies in the womb via magic. God doesn't make zygotes, there are scientific processes that govern procreation. A clump of cells doesn't have a soul, and the government doesn't have the right to intrude on what goes on between a woman and her doctor. You don't like abortions? Don't have one.

Exacta-mundo.
 
2006-07-11 09:57:56 AM  
ThatDevGuy


Being "pro-life" has nothing to do with the death penalty.

Nor does it have anything to do with Terri Schiavo. Unborn babies are totally innocent. I'm sure Terri had some skeletons in her closet.

/satire
//or is it
 
2006-07-11 09:59:04 AM  
I'm pro abortion. Every sunday I get together with my recreational aborting team and we deflate the skulls of baby fetuses for fun. What's even more fun is re-inflating their heads afterwards for a good game of fetusball.

I currently hold the team's abortion speed record, with a quick kick to the stomache and a grab & yank, I aborted twins in 17 seconds.

I also make amazing fried fetus in a balsamic reduction sauce with raspberries, mushrooms, and spinach. I'm making some with my girlfriend, but I'll be a few more weeks before there's enough for both of us.


There's a difference between pro-abortion and pro choice. nobody is really pro-abortion. It's always kept as a last resort, just like the death penalty you pro-lifers love so much.
 
2006-07-11 09:59:33 AM  
Smotto: It's about respect for life.

No it isn't. Is this the misunderstanding? Did we find it so quickly??

Almost all pro-life people are religious in some way. It's about a Biblical prohibition against the murder if innocents. Killing a guilty person is specifically defined as not murder, although I agree that we should exercise caution in determining who is and is not guilty. Killing an innocent baby is a sin against God. The murderer gave up his God-given right to life when he killed another person. Whether that happens because we kill him or because he dies of natural causes and is extinguished instead of going to Heaven (or whatever), he gave up that right when he killed somebody.
 
2006-07-11 09:59:59 AM  
ThatDevGuy: A sperm is not a person. An egg is not a person.

So, since sperm + egg = instant person, does that mean a sperm or an egg are half-people?
 
2006-07-11 10:00:46 AM  
costermonger: So, since sperm + egg = instant person, does that mean a sperm or an egg are half-people?

Last I checked, conception was not a math problem.
 
2006-07-11 10:00:50 AM  
The right wing in general tends to have a hard time with satire. Really, anybody that's extremely self-righteous has a hard time with satire, but it seems to affect the right more often for some reason.
 
2006-07-11 10:01:06 AM  
This Is Bold Text: I currently hold the team's abortion speed record, with a quick kick to the stomache and a grab & yank, I aborted twins in 17 seconds.


Amateur...15 Seconds here.

There's a difference between pro-abortion and pro choice. nobody is really pro-abortion. It's always kept as a last resort, just like the death penalty you pro-lifers love so much.

True Dat.
 
2006-07-11 10:01:41 AM  
ThatDevGuy: An egg is not a person. Neither the sperm nor the egg alone determines the genetic makeup of the person. However, when the child is conceived, he is indeed a person who will develop definite personality traits over the next nine months. It is during that time, not while he is still in his dad's testicles, that he can be recognized as an individual.

It's the point of those cells surviving the odds of any number of terategens and hazards in the womb enough to obtain a nervous system capable of thought that defines the beginning of a person for me, and that happens many weeks after the initial fertilization of the egg. Nevertheless, it's going to be the topic of debate for many years to come.

I suppose we will simply have to agree to disagree.
 
2006-07-11 10:02:10 AM  
This Is Bold Text: There's a difference between pro-abortion and pro choice. nobody is really pro-abortion. It's always kept as a last resort, just like the death penalty you pro-lifers love so much.

I agree. This is called framing. The pro-life folks wouldn't like to be called anti-abortion, either.

It's just an advertising technique.
 
2006-07-11 10:02:37 AM  
ThatDevGuy: Killing an innocent baby is a sin against God.

Absolutely. The argument lies in whether or not you believe a cluster of cells consitutes a baby. When you eat an apple, are you killing an apple tree?
 
2006-07-11 10:02:46 AM  
ThatDevGuy What if the baby would have been the next Dr King and brought about a new era of peace to the world?

When you compare "This guy right here, sitting in front of me, the GUY I CAN TOUCH is on death row for a crime he did not commit" and "Maybe, if we could see into the future and understand destiny, we would know this child is going to be a great leader".

One's all ready farking happened, the other is a "could be".

It's like replying to "We shouldn't kill endangered species" by saying "What if the unicorns gave them intelligence and we had to fight them!" and mean it in a serious manner.
 
2006-07-11 10:03:24 AM  
Sounds to me like the poor lady he quoted in his blog just wanted him to leave her the fark alone.
 
2006-07-11 10:04:24 AM  
Yeah! Let's over-populate a planet that already can't handle us! Because life is precious! Well, human life is precious. Well, actually the lives of unborn babies are precious, once there out then who cares!?! Let them starve! Let them be raised by a teeenage parent who can't even take care of herself! Life is so farking precious, it makes me sick.

/you are not a unique snowflake
 
2006-07-11 10:04:40 AM  
costermonger: When you eat an apple, are you killing an apple tree?

Several, probably. We could also look at the chances that any given apple will develop a viable apple tree with apples of its own, compared with the chances of a baby surviving from conception until birth.

Lackofname: One's all ready farking happened, the other is a "could be".

Actually, if we were certain that the other already happened, the person would not be on death row. Killing innocents is unfortunate in any context.
 
2006-07-11 10:04:59 AM  
ThatDevGuy
Almost all pro-life people are religious in some way. It's about a Biblical prohibition against the murder if innocents.

I thought it had to do with God being the only one to decide who gets to live or die.

Catholics oppose the death penalty for this reason.
 
2006-07-11 10:05:06 AM  
ThatDevGuy: It's about a Biblical prohibition against the murder if innocents.


Oddly enough, there is no mention of abortion in the Bible. The fetus is viewed as a different entity than that of the mother.
 
2006-07-11 10:05:38 AM  
ThatDevGuy Killing a guilty person is specifically defined as not murder

Please provide scripture for that. I really wanna see that one.
 
2006-07-11 10:06:21 AM  
ThatDevGuy: We could also look at the chances that any given apple will develop a viable apple tree with apples of its own, compared with the chances of a baby surviving from conception until birth.

What does viability have to do with it?
 
2006-07-11 10:06:30 AM  
Jon Snow: I thought it had to do with God being the only one to decide who gets to live or die.


Perhaps "God" is working in those mysterious ways we hear of.
 
2006-07-11 10:06:31 AM  
ThatDevGuy Actually, if we were certain that the other already happened, the person would not be on death row. Killing innocents is unfortunate in any context.

One has evidence that can show it, but the appeals havn't went through/there wasn't DNA evidence back then/etc etc, and one is a "could have happened maybe".
 
2006-07-11 10:07:42 AM  
dmnstr8: Yeah! Let's over-populate a planet that already can't handle us

The state of Rhode Island is 1545 square miles.

Given three square feet apiece, 6 billion humans require around 700 square miles. In other words, we could all recline comfortably in an area a little bigger than Rhode Island. Thinking about it another way, if every human died tomorrow except for you, and you were tasked with burying all of them, you could bury them all in Vermont.
 
2006-07-11 10:09:27 AM  
Lackofname: One has evidence that can show it, but the appeals havn't went through/there wasn't DNA evidence back then/etc etc, and one is a "could have happened maybe".

Yes, the evidence can show it. Just like it could have happened. See that?

What happens in general is completely irrelevant. Specific cases matter.

The Onanist: Oddly enough, there is no mention of abortion in the Bible. The fetus is viewed as a different entity than that of the mother.

Now you're just being stupid. As a different entity (person), the same prohibitions against murder (destruction) would apply, no?

Let's not argue semantics.

(Nice name, by the way.)
 
2006-07-11 10:10:49 AM  
ThatDevGuy Given three square feet apiece, 6 billion humans require around 700 square miles. In other words, we could all recline comfortably in an area a little bigger than Rhode Island. Thinking about it another way, if every human died tomorrow except for you, and you were tasked with burying all of them, you could bury them all in Vermont.

Three square feet apiece? Do you live in a closet? Humanity isn't going to sit in a box. People need things like, houses and big roads and bla bla bla.
 
2006-07-11 10:11:31 AM  
Abortion isn't meantioned in the Bible because the biblical solution was to kill the mother before the child could be born.
 
2006-07-11 10:11:35 AM  
My nuts are filled with millions of 1/2 fetuses. What about them?

Won't somebody please think of the half children?
 
2006-07-11 10:12:02 AM  
ThatDevGuy
Yes, the evidence can show it. Just like it could have happened. See that?

What happens in general is completely irrelevant. Specific cases matter.


No, I'm not following. Evidence is proof. Not can, but did. Possibility is not.
 
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