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(Some Guy)   A 25-year-old, 6-foot-7, 240-pound guy beats a 72-year-old, 5-foot-2, 100-pound guy to death. All charges dropped after claim of self defense   (heraldtribune.com) divider line 255
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2006-07-09 10:20:35 PM
Lambert, who had been held in the Manatee County jail on a $250,000 bail

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2006-07-09 10:36:29 PM
That sounds farked up. I think if the man he'd killed were still alive, BOTH men should be charged with crimes.

The part that confuses me is... it says the dead man had a loaded gun, but later it says the gun was in his truck. If he didn't have a gun on him at the time of the altercation... it shouldn't matter.
 
2006-07-09 10:46:41 PM
The "victim" used a racial slur against a 6' 7'' 240lb African-American, because he was crashing on his girlfriend's couch!?!!?!?

The "victim" was packing heat?!?!?

The "perpetrator" slapped him down twice with an open hand, and the "victim" later contracted pnemonia in the hospital.

/charges dropped
//sorry smitty
 
2006-07-09 11:07:43 PM
F'ed up all the way round.

And the GF couldn't tell a straight story to save her life apparently (at least the article indicates).

No pity here folks.
 
2006-07-09 11:08:10 PM
I need this guy's lawyer...
 
2006-07-09 11:09:22 PM
Yep, if you brandish a loaded gun against anyone who isn't attacking you or breaking into your house, don't be surprised if you get the shiat beat out of you.

/Still would like to know the full story
 
2006-07-09 11:22:04 PM
Neither prosecutors nor a preliminary autopsy report indicated that the fight caused Barfield's death, and the state attorney's office report said that he developed pneumonia while in the hospital.

Beaten to death? Did you even read TFA smitty?
 
2006-07-09 11:23:00 PM
According to the story, the charges should have been dropped. A couple of well-deserved slaps shouldn't necessitate a manslaughter charge.

"Anybody who knew my father knew he could get along with everyone," Barfield said. "He was one of the nicest guys in the world. When I first heard they were going to drop the charges, I just couldn't believe it.

Prosecutors said Barfield was known to carry a loaded pistol in his truck and had previously fired it at a Latino man whom Barfield had called racist names.


Sounds like a pretty nice guy to me....
 
2006-07-09 11:28:42 PM
dead guy sounds like an asshole...but, geez, c'mon...death sentence for an n-bomb? Lighten' up, people.
 
2006-07-09 11:31:26 PM
Lionel Mandrake

The "n-bomb" victim slapped him with an open hand. How is this murder?
 
2006-07-10 12:12:31 AM
That's bullshiat.
 
2006-07-10 12:12:49 AM
So...let me clarify...

Guy uses racial slurs towards person
Person slaps guy with open hand a few times
Guy has loaded gun which person may or may not know about but guy has used in past
Guy contracts something in hospital unrelated to fight
Submitter can't read
 
2006-07-10 12:15:25 AM
Hey, put my 250 pound 5'10'' against a scrawny little David Carradine and I'd be crying self defense.

/doesnt cry much
//cept when beers are gone
 
2006-07-10 12:16:19 AM
sounds like exactly the right decision.

Number one, pneumonia was the medical cause of death.

Number two, the girlfriend's statements were crap- they kept changing.

It sounds like she was first trying to screw him over by claiming he stole cash from the old man but the story says that was "disproved." Otherwise, I would've just thought she was changing her story over time to make it sound more pro-defendant because she didn't want to testify against him.

There were no other witnesses. There was not enough to prove this case.
 
2006-07-10 12:17:52 AM
That sounds like the right decision.

That article has a lot of crap the submitter left out...

Submitter: stop spinning headlines. It's one thing to make them funny. It's another to pull things out of context like that.
 
2006-07-10 12:18:25 AM
Clear as mud.
 
2006-07-10 12:18:31 AM
I like this. I'm bigger than most people, and I don't ever use it- screw being a fag, plus I'm a Christian, turn the other cheek and all. However, it drives me NUTS when little people use physical intimidation, knowing that I'm not gonna hit back b/c I'll get my butt thrown in jail. If you start a physical fight, the limits are at beating to death.
 
2006-07-10 12:19:27 AM
Sounds like Darwin got to this one late.

The son also sounds like, the mother of one of those "I can't believe he did anything horrible, johnny was such a nice kid, those earlier assault charges were just misinterpreted fun and games" kids.

If someone is threatening to get his gun out of the truck and shoot you, I would think slapping him down until he stops trying to get up, is a good move.

/If that's what the old codger was threatning
 
2006-07-10 12:19:59 AM
Don Zimmered!
 
2006-07-10 12:20:11 AM
neither here nor there, except it's FL, and 30 minutes north of there...

I received my principal's back-to-school "yee haw" letter today and was instructed to (and I quote) "where comfortable clothes"

//master's degree
//language snob
//can't work under these conditions

give me some support people
 
2006-07-10 12:20:26 AM
Old guy deserved it, he was an asshat and got beat down.
 
2006-07-10 12:20:31 AM
"There was certainly a physical mismatch, as the 6-foot-7, 240-pound Lambert emerged unscathed while the 5-2, 100-pound Barfield was later hospitalized with a broken jaw, injured eye and swollen brain."

reading comprehension. Check into it. Hardly a "slap". But still this thing defines the Florida tag.
 
2006-07-10 12:20:35 AM
This is all George Bush's fault somehow.
 
2006-07-10 12:20:46 AM
www.destinationhollywood.com

Was it this guy?
 
2006-07-10 12:22:07 AM
1.) You don't slap a 72 year-old to the ground because he calls you a racial epithat. "But it's racial, so it's special!" Yeah, fark off.

2.) If the police don't do anything about the guy who murdered your dad, you do something about him yourself. No two ways about that. (Yes, it may have been a bug he picked up in the hospital that finally did him in -- but he was in the hospital because he was beat up by a 25 year-old.)
 
2006-07-10 12:22:46 AM
Upon reading the article and what this guy's history is, he pretty much had it coming to him.
 
2006-07-10 12:24:42 AM
Barfield had a loaded gun, he made a series of racial slurs at Lambert, and a witness lied to detectives in an attempt to portray Lambert as a robber.

Loaded gun? I think that qualifies as self-defense. As long as someone can pull a trigger, they pose a danger to you.
 
2006-07-10 12:25:14 AM
There is a case around here where a woman killed another after she called her the n-word and got off.

Link

She plead guilty and received no jail time.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but call me a name and I'll kill you.
 
2006-07-10 12:25:57 AM
Thras
1.) You don't slap a 72 year-old to the ground because he calls you a racial epithat. "But it's racial, so it's special!" Yeah, fark off.

You do when he has a gun that he's fired at people, and is chasing you around screaming at you after you repeatedly tell him to cut the shiat.
 
2006-07-10 12:26:10 AM
Some people have the warped idea that you what you say should actually allow other people to do whatever they want to you. They think that if you insult someone, that gives them the right to physically punnish you any way they see fit. They think that if you talk smack, I can hit back. This is the bane of society. Or a new phrase for Jesse Jackson.
 
2006-07-10 12:27:24 AM
Not GuilCup!!!!
 
2006-07-10 12:27:55 AM
TheDaymoose

Yes, landlords often carry guns to protect their property. But no...you don't ever hit a guy with a gun. Good god that would be stupid.
 
2006-07-10 12:28:22 AM
maybe the big guy forced the little guy to contract pneumonia a few days after he beat him, so that is why the family is mad about the dropped charges?

/uhh
//uhhh..
 
2006-07-10 12:28:55 AM
Smitty's a dumbass.
 
2006-07-10 12:33:02 AM
Barfield, who owned the apartment, was enraged that Lambert was staying at his girlfriend's home without paying rent. He then jabbed a finger at Lambert, who slapped the landlord in the face.

Wait so you pay rent based on how many people are in the apartment?

Barfield took a wild swing back, missed and fell to the ground. Another epithet led to another slap by Lambert until the woman Barfield had been visiting interceded.

A swing an a miss ... at a 72 year old? Something tells me alcohol was involved.
 
2006-07-10 12:33:49 AM
/read that as "eats"
//very confused when the article didn't mention any biting, gnawing, or even nibbling.
 
2006-07-10 12:33:52 AM
This is why I won't buy an investment property - I'd have to rent it out, and renters suck. They have no money.
 
2006-07-10 12:34:45 AM
When I'm 72, I'll reserve the right to call young punks whatever name I deem fit & expect no retaliation.

/get off my lawn, you ass spelunker
//I'll make it universally offensive
 
2006-07-10 12:35:06 AM
repeatedly struck

broken jaw, injured eye and swollen brain.


Sounds like more than an open hand slap happened.

Also, there is nothing mentioning the gun being involved in this incident. If it had been and the landlord was rendered incapable of using it then self defense would not apply.

Again, if the gun wasn't a factor, where was the threat of physical harm? Name calling would justify an equal defense - returning an oral assault.

The older man was ignorant and racist. I think his opinion would be more a cause for pity than a beating. There is no glory in beating up on the weak.

Furthermore, are there absolutely no racists in the younger mans family? Would he think they should be beaten for their opinion?
 
2006-07-10 12:36:23 AM
Isn't Florida the state that passed the law that gives you the right to kill someone (or was it simply shoot?) if you felt they were a threat to you somehow?
 
2006-07-10 12:36:49 AM
trappedspirit Some people have the warped idea that you what you say should actually allow other people to do whatever they want to you. They think that if you insult someone, that gives them the right to physically punnish you any way they see fit. They think that if you talk smack, I can hit back.

Some people have the warped idea that they can just go spouting out whatever shiat they want and there's not going to be any repercusions.
 
2006-07-10 12:37:45 AM
Sheet, the victim was no angel. He was racist, and so bad even Zidane would have headbutted the old dude's chest.
 
2006-07-10 12:39:00 AM
Wait so you pay rent based on how many people are in the apartment?

If you're talking about a hotel. Problem for Mr. Old Dude is that he wasn't running one and it's stupid of him to demand rent from someone from an apartment he's already leased.


A swing an a miss ... at a 72 year old? Something tells me alcohol was involved.

The 72 year old is Barfield, and is the one who swung, missed and fell down. Of course, it's possible he hit his head, which at his age might have at least aggrivated injuries from being slapped by Big Guy.
 
2006-07-10 12:40:03 AM
The old man clearly had "gun muscles:" they're like beer muscles, but even more dangerous.
He figured having a pistol made it safe to be a racist, abusive a**hole.
wrong.

I carry a pistol (with a permit, of course) and it makes me less confrontational. I go out of my way to avoid situations where I might need it, and I don't start shiat with anyone... no road rage, nothing.
 
2006-07-10 12:41:47 AM
geetus:

When I'm 72, I'll reserve the right to call young punks whatever name I deem fit & expect no retaliation.

Actually, I think you should be able to do this at any age. I'm in the whole "sticks and stones" school. I believe actions speak way louder than words, but I also know that there are dipshiats out there which, if told that their moms suck, would immediatly go ape-shiat and seek retaliation. It reminds me of the doofus in one of the karate kid movies that was trying to "save face", or some other caveman concept. I forget. I'm drinking.

/pissing contests suck
//for obvious reasons
 
2006-07-10 12:48:04 AM
"Anybody who knew my father knew he could get along with everyone," Barfield said. "He was one of the nicest guys in the world. When I first heard they were going to drop the charges, I just couldn't believe it.

"All of a sudden they say they don't have enough evidence? That's just ridiculous."


Yeah, damned ni66as. Dad was a sweety.

And yes, Florida is the first state to pass the law that says you can shoot someone if you perceive them to be a threat.

It's not hard to read between the lines and see exactly what happened. Lambert may not be a great role model, and smackin' a 72 yr old isn't either a great way to deal with a racist, or especially smart when you know he owns a gun in that state, but I think I'm going to have to side with the DA on this.
 
2006-07-10 12:48:43 AM
English: Ten years ago, I was in this bar in Alabama when two dudes started hassling me. That was their first mistake. They pulled knives. That was their second mistake. They didn't know how to use them. That was the last mistake they ever made. I got two 99-year sentences, back to back.
Frank Morris: Seems like you could've pleaded self-defense.
English: The dudes were white, man. Just like you.

- Escape From Alcatraz
 
2006-07-10 12:51:13 AM
trappedspirit
They think that if you talk smack, I can hit back.

If you're not prepared to physically defend yourself against a physical assault, do not perpetrate a verbal one. In the end being on the moral high ground doesn't matter when you're buried in it.
 
2006-07-10 12:52:04 AM
AnotherDamnedFarker

And yes, Florida is the first state to pass the law that says you can shoot someone if you perceive them to be a threat.

Ever heard of the country called Texas?
 
2006-07-10 12:57:26 AM
BTW, the Fark headline tells a totally different story than TFA.
 
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