I'm sure glad I live in the middle of the US and not on a border! No way a nuke's getting this far in. Bye Bye Cali, See ya later NY.

I love Chicago.

Thanks again, Clinton!

LOL NK. ;p

chtorran:

Can someone please tell me why we don't just take these idiots out already?

That is the kind of antiquated thinking that got us into a quagmire in Iraq.

Just because there is some asshat in North Korea spouting off at the rest of the world does NOT necessarily mean that we should attack...

If you didn't know, the North Korean government is a joke. North Koreans are starving and their economy is non-existent. In conventional military terms, North Korea poses about as great a threat to US sovereignty as Iceland.

No world leader with even a modicum of intelligence is going to use nuclear weapons in this day and age unless he/she wants his/her country wiped off the map.

Again, some moron talking loudly is NOT grounds for war. If a certain other moron (Bush) knew how to discern propagandistic rhetoric from reality, we wouldn't be in a disaster situation in Iraq.

" Boojum2k


Let's see, they could hit Seattle with their one bomb, and we'd lose Starbucks and Bill Gates.

I'm thinking. . ."

Hey now, I live in Seattle... There is alot more here then you think you rednecked honkey. Why dont you go wrastle a gator or fondle your pet cow.

DeathByGeekSquad
WayneKerr

We've lived in a world where, for the most part, countries have remained relatively static. However, throughout the history of civilization, borders do not last forever.


Yeah, but if we change the borders, then we'll have to change all of the maps - and that can be really costly.

WayneKerr: One more thing EdgeRunner: not all right-wingers are men.

You find a woman who can masturbate with a full-size keyboard, and I might just watch that webcam myself out of sheer morbid curiosity.

I'm sure glad I live in the middle of the US and not on a border! No way a nuke's getting this far in. Bye Bye Cali, See ya later NY.

Yeah because major coastal cities being wiped out would have no effect on people living in the middle of the country. Sorry but you're still going to be screwed, in fact the people at ground zero would probably have it better.

Marshall Banana

Step 1:
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Step 2:
Google: Amiga Kickstart download
Step 3:
Google: "Nuclear War" ADF
Step 4:
Nuclear War

I wonder how they'll be able to respond to a pre-emptive strike after their entire country is turned into a glass parking lot.

savonola has a point. 1 Trident D5 missile, sub launched from beneath the ocean surface, will send the missile into space where it breaks into 8 MIRVs (Multiple Independently-targetted Re-entry Vehicles). A single Ohio class submarine has 32 Trident Missiles. Thats 256 W88 warheads, North Korea has half a dozen, a dozen? We have enough Nukes to destroy several continents, hence the name a deterrent arsenal. N. Korea can destroy maybe a dozen cities, at the most. That is if their missiles land, we're installing an interceptor battery of patriots in Japan.

/I call bullshiat
//If we strike pre-emptively, it will eliminate their ability to strike back

No O RRY? owl?!

/disappointed

Good luck with that Kim.

That said, Seoul and its 14 million citizens are not just 35 miles south of the DMZ but it is believed that N.Korea, which has the world's largest artillery force, can attack with over 10,000 long range artillery pieces capable of hitting Seoul within a very short time. Many of the pieces are buried in mountains - thus hard to find and take out.

Crude, but frighteningly effective.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/jan-june03/nkorea_04-14.html

DPRK is possibly "Double Penetrating Rectal Korean"?

You know, it's really disturbing how many people are saying, essentially, 'Let's nuke them first until they glow in the dark.' It's going to render the region uninhabitable for who knows how long, it opens the door for the much-feared End-Of-The-World-Nuclear-Holocaust, and besides, I feel North Korea CAN in fact be handled without military action. All you have to do is seek out those North Koreans trying to bring down Kim (and they do exist) and help them in whatever way you can without arousing Kim's suspicion. With any luck- and remember this isn't a problem that can be handled before the next election, so you're just going to have to learn some patience- eventually those dissenters will turn around enough other North Koreans to where they can do the job themselves. Kim may be nuts, but he's sure as hell not going to nuke his own country.

Remember they have to do it themselves. No foreign army can fire a single shot or else this all goes to hell. Not the Chinese, or the South Koreans, or the Americans, or anybody.

You_EEEeeediot: I've known a few South Koreans, in general they say they don't fear an attack from North Korean because both sides still consider the other as kin and whatnot. They they actually fear is the North's government crumbling and refuges flooding into the South. Such is why they send them aid.

millerbear77

fenrael23: did you propose to your GF

what is a GF?


In your case? "gay friend"

"Can someone please tell me why we don't just take these idiots out already?"

You should know by now that for the US to take another country seriously, we have to "think" they want to build weapons. If its a certainty that they already have them, well then, you can just ignore them.

Make sense?

nonsequitor

And I'm sure three of our most important allies, Japan, China, and S. Korea, will really appreciate the nuclear radiation, ashes, and refugees rushing all over the borders into their land.

You know, if this shiat goes down, I would 100% blame the USA.

/from Australia

The Voice of Doom: Nuclear War


Thanks - I really would like to see someone do an updated version of it with more amusing megacarnage animations and updated caricatures and whatnot.

The night? Nuke them untill they glow in the farking day!

But seriously, I'm sure nuclear weapons have prevented an amount of blood-shed, since no nation has yet been stupid enough to press that button. I hear it's been close, but apparently the people in charge had a sudden attack of... welll maybey we can talk a *little* longer... I think the threat of goverments being irradiated is more detering than just the 18 year old conscript dying.

I hope Kim Jong and however holds the silo key don't take much l.s.d.

Gosling "All you have to do is seek out those North Koreans trying to bring down Kim (and they do exist) and help them in whatever way you can"

Goshing I agree 100%. We should fund the CIA to setup a covert operation to undermine a soverign goverment. Sounds very neo-con'ish.
Isnt this what we are going in Iraq. Helping dissidents of Saddam Hussien create a democratic government?

WHAT? I can't hear him over his saber rattling! Anyone know how long this international pissing contest is supposed go on for?

obvious tag?

Fecality

We should fund the CIA to setup a covert operation to undermine a soverign goverment. Sounds very neo-con'ish.

Isnt this what we are going in Iraq. Helping dissidents of Saddam Hussien create a democratic government?

What we are doing in Iraq right now can be hardly considered a "covert operation."

2006-07-03 09:21:27 AM chtorran [TotalFark]

Can someone please tell me why we don't just take these idiots out already?

I heard an interview a few years ago with someone from the Sec of States office I believe (sorry can't remember who, it was a well spoken woman), and she said she was told in an off the record conversation by a policy maker that we prefer to keep north and south korea at odds, because the fear of a unified Korea is scary to China and Japan.

And that makes some sense.

"since no nation has yet been stupid enough to press that button."

Oh, I bet I can think of one...

Gosling said "All you have to do is seek out those North Koreans trying to bring down Kim (and they do exist) and help them in whatever way you can"

That failed miserably when we tried it in Iran. Not only did it fail, it backfired and made the whole matter worse.

We should give China the greenlight to take over North Korea.

on a Korea thread a while ago, someone posted a link to a photojournalist who I think was Russian. The pictures were taken on the sly and were Disturbing! Horrendous poverty and complete control of the populace.

This further proves the obvious point that Kim Jong Il is bat shiat crazy

Manfield Richthofen What we are doing in Iraq right now can be hardly considered a "covert operation."

I thought the Iraqi government is a puppet government of the US military? Since our goverment denies it, we must have a covert plan to pay off the people at the top in Iraq so Halluburton can continue to win contracts.
Are you denying this?

anathama

we prefer to keep north and south korea at odds, because the fear of a unified Korea is scary to China and Japan.


I'm not sure if that's reasonable . . . reunification farked up Germany. It will fark up Korea worse.

Also, Korea has not been an aggressor in E.Asian history for a loooooong time (1000 yrs or so) . . .

Sad thing is, theres NK sympathizers in the West. Mostly "enlightened" Europeans.

Offical North Korea "friends" forum

Fecality

Manfield Richthofen What we are doing in Iraq right now can be hardly considered a "covert operation."

I thought the Iraqi government is a puppet government of the US military? Since our goverment denies it, we must have a covert plan to pay off the people at the top in Iraq so Halluburton can continue to win contracts.
Are you denying this?

I know you are making a sarcastic post, but even so, your statement is simply non-sensical.

THE VOICE OF DOOM

OMG do you actually have a working copy of Nuclear War? Complete with Bovine Bomb?? How do I bribe you into a copy?!?!?!

Call in the Mossad ( there's got to be at least a couple North Korean Jews we could use)

Just a word up to the glass parking lot crowd:

A North Korea with Kim Jong-Il at the top of it is a nasty, awful place with soldiers eating tree bark, people dying of starvation, a horrible human rights record, and what is unquestionably the worst talk radio on the planet.

But it's largely Kim's problem.

A North Korea that the US (or South Korea, Japan, China, or a combination of all of the above) invades is a nasty awful place full of starving people, no natural resources, no useful industries, millons of people streaming South to Seoul, West to China, and going on boats to Japan.

... and it would be OUR problem.

You can buy that, or you can figure that the four-party consensus of detente and limited aid has been done for the last 15 years because the leaders of Japan, the US, South Korea, China, and Russia are all stone stupid.

Fecality, perhaps I should clarify a little bit.

First, understand what kind of knowledge of the outside world North Korea's populace has. Which is to say, next to none. I'm 21, in a Wisconsin tech college, and I've got a beat-up '89 Oldsmobile that's coming down with Fatal Brake Disease. If I were to somehow manage to drive it down the streets of Pyongyang, people would think I was farking royalty. North Korean TV's have switches instead of dials, so that they only get two channels (both state-run) and that there's no possibility of some underground organization swiping a frequency. Should give you some idea. And many of them think they've got it made, they're so brainwashed.

Now give one of those dissenters some pictures swiped off your average Fark car thread. Tell him to show those pictures to any North Korean he can, and tell him to be honest about where those cars currently sit (likely Europe and the US). What do you think the reaction's going to be?

Basically, the 'help' would not consist of giving anyone guns or anything. It'd be helping the dissenters bust through the information blackout Kim's got. This is already working to a small degree as they work on their own- they smuggle videos in of Western and Japanese culture and TV and whatnot, people start to question this whole 'North Korea is paradise' theory they've got going. All I want to do is help it along, because once they have that questioned, they'll start wondering what else they've got wrong. And it's a domino effect from there.

can figure that the four-party five party consensus...

speaking of stone stupid...

nonsequitor

I wonder how they'll be able to respond to a pre-emptive strike after their entire country is turned into a glass parking lot.

I don't think the "glass parking lot" euphemism really works here.

As for Iraq and Iran, that was a dead-end street to go down. People there KNEW what the deal was abroad; they simply didn't like it. So the CIA just went to guns. North Korea's a whole different animal, and that's why it's a usable strategy. I don't really think you need guns for this one.

Also, in the event that it works, when Kim goes down, we basically say to the dissenters 'Okay, we're outta here, you never saw us.' We give no input in how they run North Korea afterwards. They want Kim out, so do we and most everyone else, that's all we're interested in.

Manfred Richthofen

I wasn't saying we should nuke N. Korea off the map. I was saying if we ever did decide to pre-emptively strike them, they would no longer have the capability to wage Nuclear War. Hence their contingecy plan for a pre-emptive strike is bullshiat fear mongering.

"I can see two different outcomes to this:"

Me too:

- NK strikes first, US wipes them off the map in 10 minutes.
- US doesn't give them the chance to strike first and wipes them off the map in 10 minutes.

Problem solved either way.

Manfred Richthofen Last I checked "secret" and "covert" mean the same thing. I believe it's the liberals who are saying Bush has all these evil secret things he's executing.

If Bush said what 7of7 said the liberals would be crying "What right does Bush have to undermine a soverign country"