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(Yahoo)   Eight-month undercover sting operation nets some Amish guy who sold a gallon of raw milk in an unmarked container   ( divider line
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2006-06-28 03:27:43 PM  
Alexandra:Raw milk is actually better for you than pasteurized milk.

If by better you mean you like Tuberculosis. That is why it is illigal to sell raw milk. I make cheese as a hobby and it is a biatch to get raw milk. Pasteurized milk is ok for cheese but not optimal. Milk that has not been homogenized is a must for cheese.

Ultra pasteurized milk = Bad
Pasteurized milk = good

Unpasteurized milk is perfectly fine in cheeses that are aged for more than three months. For 'quick' cheeses like Feta or Queso Blanco pasteurized milk is recommended.

\I think you've confused ultrapasteurized with pasteurized.
2006-06-28 03:28:08 PM  
I propose a constitutional amendment to protect the sanctity of milk.
2006-06-28 03:28:12 PM  
There is an Amish community near where I live and some of those little Amish chicks are cute. I just know those little minkies would know how to get crazy. Some of them wear their bonnets at a jaunty angle. That's how you know they want it. When is that Amish spring break......Rumspringer I think it's called?
2006-06-28 03:30:17 PM  
Roukzeptea23, oh not this shiat again. I'm not even gonna post links. sugar and corn syrup are essentially the same thing. One being "Unhealthier" vs. the other is a myth. You want "healthy" drink filtered water and skip the sugar in whatever form it is.

On topic, in the states were they do gate sales of milk you usually pay more for unpasteurized because the farmers know they can get more from the uppity folks who care about that stuff. Also you shouldn't give that milk to your kids. Although it will generally be safe if kept cold and used quickly. And most small farmers pay close attention to bacteria count. You never know with some places. I say let every farmer do it, but the consumer should know the potential risks.
2006-06-28 03:31:30 PM  
That being said, if you've ever been on a farm, you'd know that the cow's udders are thoroughly washed before milking, whether it's milking by hand or by machine.

hey now ,your on Fark. Don't you dare try to use commmon sense

~drinking raw milk right now!!!!
2006-06-28 03:32:32 PM  
Health Hazards Of Raw Milk

Decades ago, before pasteurization of milk was mandated by government agencies, milk contaminated with harmful bacteria was linked to several serious diseases including typhoid fever, diphtheria, septic sore throat, scarlet fever, dysentery, Q-fever, and other kinds of foodborne illness. Other diseases, including tuberculosis and undulant fever (brucellosis), can be transmitted to people in raw milk from diseased animals. Milk pasteurization was initially designed to kill the bacterium that caused tuberculosis, considered to be the most heat resistant pathogen found in raw milk. As recently as the 1960's the temperatures at which milk is pasteurized was increased slightly to insure destruction of the bacteria, Coxiella burnetii, which causes Q-fever.

In addition to the hazards historically associated with raw milk, scientists and some unfortunate consumers have recently become painfully aware of some new strains of harmful bacteria, called "emerging pathogens," which also can get into milk and make people sick -- or even die. Some of these names may sound familiar because the same harmful bacteria can be associated with several different kinds of food; they include E. coli 0157:H7, Listeria monocytogenes, Salmonella typhimurium DT-104, Campylobacter jejuni, and Yersinia enterolitica. Some of these bacteria, such as E. coli 0157:H7, are particularly dangerous to young children, the elderly, and people with compromised immune systems, and can cause death or serious, life-long adverse health conditions. Others, including Salmonella typhimurium DT-104, have shown alarming resistance to many commonly used antibiotics, so infections caused by these bacteria are very difficult to treat.
2006-06-28 03:33:18 PM  
"You can't just give milk away to someone other then yourself. It's a violation of the law," said LeeAnne Mizer, spokeswoman for the department.

The guy knocked on a farmers door and asked for milk. WTF?

Stop wasting my tax money.
get the farking illegals out of the country before you bring down the amish milk scam.
2006-06-28 03:33:47 PM  
Dr.Knockboots: this is a problem? he can't give away raw milk?
is this because the govt wants to tax it somehow? i bet it is..

how farking sad.

It's part of the government supported milk cartel that puts a price floor on milk prices, and thus, makes all milk related products more expensive. Government penalties include fines ($10k in Vermont) and loss of dairy license if one sells milk below the floor price. This is in violation of the Sherman Act, but FDR implemented this as part of his new deal. There have been recent articles about this where non-cartel members sell milk and related products for half of what cartel members charge.

Mmmm, Agribusiness and government...tastes great.
2006-06-28 03:34:03 PM  
Ridiculous. Our ancestors consumed raw milk for millenia prior to the use pasteurization. As long as it is labeled with proper warnings, it should be legal for sale from properly inspected or certified dairies.
2006-06-28 03:36:18 PM  
use OF pasteurization.

/grammar nazi
2006-06-28 03:36:55 PM  
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"Two dollars."
2006-06-28 03:37:36 PM  
It's mostly a case of some minor government official being a prick. It's not like this guy was advertising milk for sale to the public.

I ran into the same sort of thing recently. I was charged with having "unregistered livestock". Nothing wrong or illegal about having them, but they weren't "registered". Just a matter of filing a form with the county -- but I was facing a fine and up to 90 days in jail for it.

So, with the paper filed, the cows and horses are doing exactly what they were. Thank heavens America has been saved from the untold damage that would have happened if they'd stayed unregistered.

The kicker is, according to county ordinances, they didn't even need to be registered. But, it was easier for me to just plead guilty and pay a reduced fine than take a chance on a know-nothing judge screwing me over.

I'm proud that this guy is sticking by his guns. I should have too -- but the price of justice is sometimes too high.
2006-06-28 03:37:51 PM  
So, is he really living in an Amish paradise?
2006-06-28 03:39:19 PM  
Amish man,
Amish man,
Does whatever an Amish can.
Plow a field,
Raise a barn.
That's his life,
On the farm.
Hey there,
There goes an Amish man.

/been humming Spiderman ever since I RTFA.
2006-06-28 03:39:28 PM  
mic87108, Pasteurization saves a lot of lives, esp. children. We have it so easy now people forget that.
With large cities and such it is the only practical distribution/processing method of a product like that. Protecting food supply is one of the things a govenment of any type should be doing.
2006-06-28 03:40:51 PM  
Raw milk should not be sold to the general public from a random vat by a person who doesn't believe in electricity (and thus, apparently, refrigerated storage). And as the person who asked for it was not a part of the grower's co-op, and received untreated and unlabeled goods which might be hazardous if consumed, the Amish guy is violating all sorts of regulations on safe transport and sale of food.

Raw milk is tasty stuff, but each batch needs to undergo very rigorous storage procedures and bacterial testing to avoid sickening a large number of people. Since you can't pasteurize it without removing the very point of raw milk (it being raw), there is no way to remove bacterial contaminants. It thus must be tested and discarded if found to be tainted. Down here, you are free to sell raw milk as long as you are clearly warned that the producers haven't done diddly to make it safe for human consumption and you take your life into your own hands by drinking it yourself. Some sellers will also certify that their batches have been tested as pathogen-free, which are the ones I bought from when I wanted to see the difference. Only takes one exposure to virulent E.coli before you know that you never want to experience that again. That and dysentery, which (given how dirty most cattle are) is also an option for raw milk contamination.

But you can't misrepresent the nature of the goods you sell, either by fraud or omission. Selling raw milk from the barn is dangerous, and must be treated as what it is - the potential negligent transfer of tainted goods for intentional human consumption. Raw cream may be the best thing I've ever cooked with in terms of dairy products, but the average uneducated consumer going "ooh, I've heard this is a delicacy food" and buying it off some guy's back porch is an invitation for something they make and serve at a potluck dinner to sicken hundreds of people with rather serious diseases.

I don't think raw dairy should be prohibited. But one needs to be warned about the potential consequences prior to sale, and told that people with susceptibility to disease need to either buy certified clean or avoid it altogether. That did not happen in this case, so yeah - lesson the Amish guy should learn. Don't just hand out untreated, potentially-contaminated production to any guy who comes walking up with a plastic jug. It's a good way to get your restaurant shuttered, your licenses revoked, and your ass fined to hell and back.
2006-06-28 03:42:13 PM  
I don't know if anyone noticed this but... in the article

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Milking equipment hangs in the milkhouse of Arlie Stutzman in Mount Hope, Ohio

but the amish ->
Stutzman's Amish faith places an emphasis on the community. To preserve their lifestyle, the Amish avoid the use of electricity and automobile ownership, which would allow the outside world to enter unabated into their culture.

Those machines are run by electricity right?

/or am I missing something about their avoidance of electricity.
//automobile ownership seems so random too.
2006-06-28 03:46:40 PM  
No "HA! HA!" guy? you guys are sliping!
2006-06-28 03:47:09 PM  
If you've moved on to solid food, you have no business drinking milk, anyways. Not only does it taste nasty, your body doesn't want it.
2006-06-28 03:48:24 PM  
Raw milk just tastes better. Drank it for years, as my HS German teacher ran a farm..

Funny, I can't drink our government approved dairy products as they all give me horrible digestive problems.

There are loads of beneficial bacteria in milk. You kill every last one of the beneficial farkers via pastuerization. So I just lead a much more calcium deficient lifestyle these days. But shiat, I sure am glad that *someone* is gettin a subsidy outta this!
2006-06-28 03:48:27 PM  
This one time I tried to buy some raw milk from an Amish farmer with a $2 bill...
2006-06-28 03:51:14 PM  
Not only does it taste nasty, your body doesn't want it.

Do not presume to tell me what I do or do not find tasty, or what my body does or does not want.

/Loves me the raw milk
//And raw milk cheese
///And yogurt
////What else can we make with milk?
2006-06-28 03:52:05 PM  
wait wait wait, worried about milk killing people when a country of consumers, smokes ciggarettes, drinks alcohol and eats fast food countless times a month. We still have to worry about protecting people from milk only to poison themselves with something that clogs our artiers, deteriates our lungs or destroys our liver? We are worried about some unpasturized milk.
2006-06-28 03:52:37 PM  
Psylence: There are loads of beneficial bacteria in milk. You kill every last one of the beneficial farkers via pastuerization. So I just lead a much more calcium deficient lifestyle these days.

Yogurt. Especially active-culture yogurt. For people with dairy-digestion issues, that's the general solution.
2006-06-28 03:54:56 PM  
It's o.k to say anything you want to about the amish on tv or any electronic medium. They'll never hear it.
2006-06-28 03:55:12 PM  
What about goat's milk? Same laws and regualtions?
2006-06-28 04:03:34 PM  
Jesse_M: No "HA! HA!" guy? you guys are sliping!

HA HA! Guy is a Quaker, not Amish. it doesn't apply to this thread.
2006-06-28 04:04:07 PM  
Chiggity Chza: What about goat's milk? Same laws and regualtions?

General packaging, safety of consumption, and transport/storage regulations apply to all food products that have the potential to sicken or kill.

So in other words, yes. You can't sell unpasteurized foods that may serve as bacterial harbors without an associated warning that they are dangerous. Applies to apple and other fruit juices, dairy of all forms, and pretty much anything else that can be harmful if contaminated at the point of production with no intervening steps for removal of that contamination.
2006-06-28 04:07:16 PM  
ok i am confused so is it state mandated or federal becuase people are talking about "in their state" but is it FDA or what?
2006-06-28 04:09:01 PM  
I work for the Amish so I'm really getting a kick....
2006-06-28 04:10:03 PM  
do they pay you in unpasturized milk?
2006-06-28 04:13:21 PM  
Chiggity Chza: ok i am confused so is it state mandated or federal becuase people are talking about "in their state" but is it FDA or what?

It's state and federal. There are certain federal regulations that apply to anything sold or transported between states, but each individual state also has its own specific regulations regarding things produced and sold within its borders.

State prohibition is the sale of raw dairy direct to consumers, period, in the state of Ohio. Federal prohibition is the requirements for proper labelling, storage, and transport.
2006-06-28 04:14:11 PM  
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2006-06-28 04:15:30 PM  
Ohio embarasses me. I'm glad I wasn't born here, I can't wait until thier money dries up so I can leave.
2006-06-28 04:19:12 PM  
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2006-06-28 04:20:28 PM  
Thanks for the clarification Drakkenmaw
2006-06-28 04:22:22 PM  
there are some amish people near my aunts house. they have like 12 kids. they had two daughters that were old enough for me to be checking out (using the standard 1/2 your age + 7 years formula) and those chicks were fine!

/thinks the amish girls are hawt
///i dont think i could handle waking up at 4AM to build a barn every day though
2006-06-28 04:25:09 PM  
In Ohio, I think the Goverment made it a bad thing to BUY milf-with out it being pasurized,Afraid of pathogens and sush
Well it tates good
so fork emm
2006-06-28 04:26:54 PM  
huh typed milf.
2006-06-28 04:27:53 PM  
Seasons I'v Withered

bahahhahaha "buy milf" haha milf's need to porkerized by the pimp b4 selling that shiat on the street. They also cause disease and other sicknesses dirty ass milf sellers
2006-06-28 04:28:03 PM  
Chiggity Chza: No problem. Food is a big thing with me, and so I follow food politics. Raw food vs. food regulatory commissions is one of the big bits of food politics lately. It's a question of large producers trying to make it prohibitively-expensive via regulatory requirements for small businesses to enter the market on equal terms (on one side of the argument), as well as general health and safety for end consumers (on the other). Also draws in a major question of the separation of federal and state powers for something created and sold within a single state's borders, as well as some other neat points to debate.

In the end, though, it's pretty much just like weed - know your buyer, make sure you've got a safe and secure supply free of contamination, and the entire thing is not for everyone. Make sure you're informed and prepared before you commit any money.
2006-06-28 04:29:58 PM  
beat me to it drivingsouth
2006-06-28 04:30:33 PM  
I typed what I wanted but it didn'tcou out that way??????????????
2006-06-28 04:30:37 PM  

from the FDA: 200 people got ILL in 2002 from consuming raw milk.

from CDC: 418,690 DEATHS from cigarette related illnesses in 2004.

priorities are off, people are stupid.

/not responsible for misspelled words
2006-06-28 04:32:48 PM  
what the hell is sush?
2006-06-28 04:34:12 PM  
Does this apply to goat milk? Mmmm goaty
/lactose intolerance, been drinking the goat juice since I was a kid.
2006-06-28 04:34:54 PM  
These laws protect you as consumers from being harmed, and these laws protect business from competition. Stop complaining or start voting against people who uphold these laws. It's just going to get worse, otherwise.
2006-06-28 04:36:51 PM  
I'd try some! The possibility in drinking milk from a cow that grazed on grass and no whore-moans.....yum!
2006-06-28 04:37:07 PM  
Mr Sunshine: ////What else can we make with milk?

Dude, BUTTER. Rich, creamy, unpasturized gorgeous butter.
2006-06-28 04:37:38 PM  
Oh ya Driveingsouth
I don't care either
/I got latex
I got sex I got ...................
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