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2006-06-27 02:08:19 PM  
Shouldn't there be a "suck it" in there somewhere?
 
2006-06-27 02:12:06 PM  
I'm with OlafTheBent.... This headline is useless with the obligatory "suck it". Or, we could blame Bush. Or, we could blame mainstream media. All I know is that someone HAS to be at fault.
 
2006-06-27 02:14:18 PM  
We could always blame Bush for not doing anything about global warming. Or we could blame the wacko right-wingers with their quack scientists who say that global warming is "only a theory". Does that work for ya?
 
2006-06-27 02:15:44 PM  
This world could use more Altruism
 
2006-06-27 02:15:56 PM  
Check out the awesome Futurama trailer for this movie also.
 
2006-06-27 02:16:20 PM  
Wait... haven't we found 600 people to refute this yet? Did the office of assinine groupings in Washington, DC also get flooded this week? Someone's not doing their job.
 
2006-06-27 02:17:49 PM  
Has anyone seen this movie?

Did they discuss the the sun heating up or undersea volcanoes or did they just blame oil companies and cars?
 
2006-06-27 02:18:04 PM  
So what if Gore is boring. Look where our "charismatic" leasers have led us.

//Yay boring
 
2006-06-27 02:22:35 PM  
The other day, my mom said, "Man, it's hotter here that I remember it being twenty years ago. Must be global warming."

I love ya mom, but damn...
 
2006-06-27 02:25:22 PM  
Funny on the headline!
 
2006-06-27 02:30:53 PM  
Turing_Machine: Wait... haven't we found 600 people to refute this yet?


Most being paid with Oil money...

/Just sayin'
 
2006-06-27 02:35:02 PM  
DonnyBaker

Yeah, I've seen it. Maybe you should go see it, too. It will answer your question.
 
2006-06-27 02:40:43 PM  
The former vice president's movie - ....- mostly got the science right,

You just know the anti-Global Warming people will harp on the few things he got wrong.

Has anyone seen this movie?

Yes. Very interesting. He spoke quite a bit about how many of the changes have come over the last century or so, as the world became more industrialized. He also noted that all the "scientific" papers that say there is no global warming are not peer reviewed by fellow scientists.
 
2006-06-27 02:41:43 PM  
the thing i don't understand and that i have not seen addressed anywhere is that the earth has gone through a number of warming and cooling cycles. and some of these warming cycles have been very rapid.

obviously, the earth is warming, but is it due solely to humans or is just part of a natural cycle?

take, for example, the ice age. or the mesozoic and jurassic periods:

http://www.palaeos.com/Mesozoic/Mesozoic.htm

or the carboniferous period:

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html

"Average global temperatures in the Early Carboniferous Period were
hot- approximately 22° C (72° F). However, cooling during the Middle
Carboniferous reduced average global temperatures to about 12° C (54°
F). As shown on the chart below, this is comparable to the average
global temperature on Earth today!
Similarly, atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the
Early Carboniferous Period were approximately 1500 ppm (parts per
million), but by the Middle Carboniferous had declined to about 350
ppm -- comparable to average CO2 concentrations today!

Earth's atmosphere today contains about 370 ppm CO2 (0.037%).
Compared to former geologic times, our present atmosphere, like the
Late Carboniferous atmosphere, is CO2- impoverished! In the last 600
million years of Earth's history only the Carboniferous Period and
our present age, the Quaternary Period, have witnessed CO2 levels
less than 400 ppm.

Late Carboniferous to Early Permian time (315 mya -- 270 mya) is the
only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric
CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary
Period )."


http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3721/is_200411/ai_n9462304
 
2006-06-27 02:56:41 PM  
Save your money. Much larger and more in-depth studies have already been conducted.(pops)

At the end of the movie, Gore presents some tips on how everyone can contribute, and points people to his web site, www.climatecrisis.net. However, I would recommend that people who want to get educated about climate change get their information from web sites not associated with a politician; perhaps the least politicized source of information is the latest scientific summary of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change(IPCC), a group of over 2000 scientists from 100 countries working under a mandate from the United Nations in the largest peer-reviewed scientific collaboration in history.

-Dr. Jeff Masters
 
2006-06-27 03:02:09 PM  
Burning billions of tons of coal and a trillion barrels of oil and cutting down millions of acres of forest (and burning it) and helping to turn millions more acres to desert might make a wee difference in Earth's atmosphere.

At the very least we're doing way, way more damage than volcanic activity.

from the USGS:
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year . This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 22 billion tonnes per year (24 billion tons) . Human activities release more than 150 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of nearly 17,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 13.2 million tonnes/year)!
 
Dad
2006-06-27 03:03:04 PM  
crypticsatellite

the thing i don't understand and that i have not seen addressed anywhere is that the earth has gone through a number of warming and cooling cycles. and some of these warming cycles have been very rapid.

That's actually addressed in the movie. Yep, there's definitely a normal cycle of heating and cooling through the eons, but the spike in CO2/temperature we're seeing now is so far outside the normal cycle it's scary.
 
2006-06-27 03:06:37 PM  
DonnyBaker: Did they discuss the the sun heating up or undersea volcanoes or did they just blame oil companies and cars?

Do you have some technology available that could turn down the sun, or should we focus on the 99% of the warming trend that is caused by humans?
 
2006-06-27 03:08:02 PM  
Yeah, but everyone knows scientists are all America-hating Communists.
 
2006-06-27 03:14:55 PM  
but...but...Clinto.. uhm, Manbearpig!!!! LOOK OUT!!!1!1!

/what can we do? nothing. Nothing we do is going to change anything that is happening to the whole earth. Best thing we can hope for is to live through it. We can't miracal freeze 52 cubic miles of ice back opn greenland, or make a new 11 mile wide ice shelf in the arctic... by the time we do, an asteroid will have slammed into us making it a mute effort.

/Oceans rising by 21' is a good thing.
 
2006-06-27 03:22:21 PM  
h3lx: /what can we do? nothing. Nothing we do is going to change anything that is happening to the whole earth. Best thing we can hope for is to live through it. We can't miracal freeze 52 cubic miles of ice back opn greenland, or make a new 11 mile wide ice shelf in the arctic... by the time we do, an asteroid will have slammed into us making it a mute effort.

Hmmm, how quickly the debate turns from "Nothing is happening!" to "It's too late to do anything about it!"

I like the asteroid point of view. Why bother to accomplish anything, really? By the time we near our goal, the asteroid will kill us all.
 
2006-06-27 03:31:34 PM  
h3lx: making it a mute effort.

or maybe a moot effort?
 
2006-06-27 03:36:16 PM  
Dad: That's actually addressed in the movie. Yep, there's definitely a normal cycle of heating and cooling through the eons, but the spike in CO2/temperature we're seeing now is so far outside the normal cycle it's scary

but that's the thing...there are different cycles...if you go back far enough, you can find these massive changes in extremely short periods of time and the current changes fit in with those.

i'm not saying we shouldn't do anything, we absolutely should. but to say it'll stop global warming is questionable. i find the fact that pollution is killing off species and poisoning our food and water and the air to be a pretty compelling reason to cut back.
 
2006-06-27 03:39:26 PM  
These are my favorite threads.


Where farkers try and show that they know more than scientists who study the subject for a living.



/gets popcorn & a soda
 
2006-06-27 03:39:32 PM  
h3lx

/Oceans rising by 21' is a good thing.


A 20-foot sea level rise is what we expect if all of Greenland or all of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet were to melt. Such a 20-foot rise is not expected by 2100, and it would have been appropriate for Gore to acknowledge that the consensus of climate scientists--as published in the most recent report by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)--is that sea level is likely to rise between 4 and 35 inches, with a central value of 19 inches, by 2100.

-Dr. Jeff Masters (Who gave the movie a solid "B" for climatological accuracy, as well. Political posturing cost it an "A.")

I wonder why he (Gore) wouldn't have mentioned those findings by the IPCC. I'm guessing scare-tactics to garner votes.
 
2006-06-27 03:46:39 PM  
Where farkers try and show that they know more than scientists who study the subject for a living.

I hear ya. Lots of opinions on Earth's history being spewed about. I've tried to link the biggest peer-reviewed study on this subject in history, and it sure seems to point out some dramatic flaws (or just lack of the facts) in Gore's documentary. Maybe those scientists who praise it so much were pissed because they were left off the UN's peer-review list.

Again...

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change(IPCC), a group of over 2000 scientists from 100 countries working under a mandate from the United Nations in the largest peer-reviewed scientific collaboration in history.
 
2006-06-27 03:49:07 PM  
Masters has a PhD is meteorology, not climatology. Just sayin.
 
2006-06-27 03:51:49 PM  
Time to play Global Warming Sceptic Bingo!

http://timlambert.org/2005/04/gwsbingo/

/you'll have to copy & paste the URL since Fark is being a pain in the arse
 
2006-06-27 03:55:06 PM  
 
2006-06-27 03:57:30 PM  
I've tried to link the biggest peer-reviewed study on this subject in history, and it sure seems to point out some dramatic flaws (or just lack of the facts) in Gore's documentary. Maybe those scientists who praise it so much were pissed because they were left off the UN's peer-review list.

Queue the dancing Zombies

www.kidzworld.com
 
2006-06-27 04:04:48 PM  
crypticsatellite: ...if you go back far enough, you can find these massive changes in extremely short periods of time and the current changes fit in with those.

I'd like to see a cite supporting this claim.
 
2006-06-27 04:06:36 PM  
Abagadro

If I had just gave his review of the movie, I'd be foolish. He said a lot about it being SO politically motivated. If it weren't for Gore being the centerpiece, he'd have given it a near "A" for accuracy.

On the other hand, his knowledge of the study of the IPCC is what I was getting at. I think that's way more compelling of a study than a 1.5 hour documentary.

Personally, I think Gore had/has the right idea in making the documentary. It shows a lot of what we have done, and some ideas as to what we can do to try and halt this progression into becoming another Venus. But, I think he should have left himself out completely. I also don't recall China and India (as well as others) being indicted into their upcoming contributions to this REAL crisis...as they are likely to become the next US-like producers of CO2 gas emissions into the atmosphere...and probably on a much bigger scale.
 
2006-06-27 04:26:03 PM  
Maybe if our trees were getting more exercise, excess CO2 wouldn't be such an issue. All the trees in my neighborhood have giant trunks and sit around playing Xbox all day.
 
2006-06-27 04:28:09 PM  
jarrett

I'd like to see a cite supporting this claim.


Abrupt Climate Change...not related to human pollution.(pops)

This current "abrupt climate change," imo, is definitely human-pollution-related. That doesn't mean it's unprecedented in Earth's history.
 
2006-06-27 04:32:10 PM  
Gore covered China in the movie for sure. There was a scene where a couple of chinese guys were saying how there's a ton of coal burning plants coming online in China because it's very profitable. Seems like I remember India being mentioned as well in the movie but it could have just been something I've read somewhere since.
 
2006-06-27 04:49:01 PM  
The impression I got was only 19 of 100 surveyed saw/read the movie/book and many of those who didn't, disagree with the theory.
 
2006-06-27 04:49:45 PM  
As long as Bush is president, our nation is safe.
 
2006-06-27 04:51:45 PM  
The Wall Street Journal's online editorial page has an interesting response to this. It seems that many/most of the people interviewed have not seen the movie, or read the book it is based on. Furthermore, it is likely that those who DID see the movie are slanted into the camp that agrees with, or sympathises with Gore's position.
 
2006-06-27 04:51:52 PM  
Oh boy, another chance to post this guy's artwork!

www.patriotart.com
 
2006-06-27 04:51:57 PM  
Two points:

1: I was going to watch this movie but somebody already spoiled the surprise ending. It turns out he's a ghost all along.

2: Al Gore's daughter wrote for Futurama.

Ok, those were pointless points.
 
2006-06-27 04:52:18 PM  
The temperature has raised 1 degree in 400 years according to scientists. Excuse me if I don't trust temperatures from the 1600's . . .
 
2006-06-27 04:52:22 PM  
Mr. Three: Check out the awesome Futurama trailer for this movie also.

Thanks for the link. Only a year and a half until more Futurama...
 
2006-06-27 04:52:38 PM  
No one ever says what we should do. Well, what I mean is no one ever lays out feasible plans. It's always really drastic stuff, that like it or not people will resist. Not just in the U.S., but everywhere.
 
2006-06-27 04:52:42 PM  
crypticsatellite:
The trends shown in the conferences in this film go back hundreds of thousands of years using core samples drilled from permafrost and whatnot. See the movie, it's worth it even if you disagree, then you can attack actual points in the film.

Someone please do some constructive counterpoints to the film, I'd love to believe the film is bs. It would make me feel better.
 
2006-06-27 04:53:20 PM  
So what's the solution to this problem? Do we just elect Democrats or is there more to it than that?
 
2006-06-27 04:53:28 PM  
A ... New York Times profile on Gore admits that he avoids "making direct causal links that most scientists say are impossible to substantiate" but instead "uses imagery and implication" to make his case.

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22828
 
2006-06-27 04:53:28 PM  
As long as Bush is president, our nation is safe.

From what?
 
2006-06-27 04:54:11 PM  
I love how the once ultra-ultra liberal, Michael Crichton, actually wrote the ultimate anti-global warming story, State of Fear... Which although not great, was at least 10Xs more entertaining than Inconvenient Truth. Seriously, Al Gore could learn from Michael Moore in how to entertain while preaching... Sheesh!
 
2006-06-27 04:55:24 PM  
feh, scientists schmientists. what do they know. its not like they are priests or presidents.
 
2006-06-27 04:57:49 PM  
Michael Crichton also wrote "Prey," which officially removed him from the short list of respectable sci-fi authors after he received an official warning for "Timeline"
 
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