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2006-06-23 04:56:24 PM  
This reminds me of an episode of Batman, where they show Batman that he directly or indirectly had an influence on various people, who eventually became evil super-villians.
 
2006-06-23 06:04:50 PM  
lol, good headline
 
2006-06-23 06:05:48 PM  
They got him 'Jihad for Dummies'
 
2006-06-23 06:06:11 PM  
Wannbinladens?

*sneer*
 
2006-06-23 06:06:14 PM  
I was just thinking about this as I was heading over to the computer. America is farking cool. We have serial killers that we make farking movies about. We have the zodiac, the mad bomber, the son of sam, the dc sniper, the unabomber, jeffrey "cannibal!" dahmer, the farking night stalker, john wayne gacy, ... what has Australia had? A farking nanny. Okay, England had Jack the ripper, but I'm talking about the us farking A.

Just what the farking hell is doing this to Americans to make them so farked up? Well it aint rock and roll. Anybody who's ever done anything farked and tried to blame it on rock and roll has already had some farked up shiat wrong with them. Did it ever dawn on anybody that if their kids were listening to Judas priest in the farkin first place, they were ALREADY warped? So we divert. We blame religion. We point at people like Ed Gein and go "oooooooh!" like 3rd graders impersonating a race track. But that's bullshiat. I mean, just how the fark does religion warp people? It brings out our inner perverts, that's how. I mean, why the mass amounts of catholic priests touching me...I mean, little boys. Why? What the fark is being found in that religion that convinces people to do this? Not a damn thing, that's what. Religion is acting as what it has always been, and excuse for people to have some moral high horse so they can satisfy their conscience, and a venue to act out perversions. I mean, have you thought about just wtf these priests tell little boys before they fark em? "little angels will fly in through your ears and out your penis, but you have to coax em through. It's like a little piece of heaven. But those damn demons have been hangin with the golgothum lately so they try to go up your ass. So here, lemme plug that for you." Pretty soon some kid says ooh, I feel the angels! yes I do! "ow, dont pull that plug out, those demons sure hurt like a biatch when they finally get through". Religion is being perverted so people can have an excuse to be a pervert, sexually or morally. So that brings us back to asking wtf is happening in America...Why is it cool? the answer is, we are a nation of farking perverts, and I like that.
 
2006-06-23 06:06:14 PM  
golf clap submitter
 
2006-06-23 06:07:48 PM  

Yeah for sure. This is the bullshiat I have been able to sort out of this so far.

You tube link to 360 with Anderson Cooper (pops)

Thanks to whoever posted that in the other thread.

-the warehouse might have been a warehouse but it was a masonic temple. I THINK it takes seven guys to make a new lodge.

-No one is even sure whether these guys were Muslim or not. They were apparently doing good things for their nieghbors who say the guys never had shiat to say about terror, Al-Queso, Geroge Bush, or blowing shiat up.

-There were not caught with bomb materials, or any physical evidence. From what I can tell, all this revolves souly on the testimony of the informant, who was an Arab guy who said he was part of Al-Queso.

I hope you guys recognize, more importantly, that Homeland Security has been shifting it's budget fosuc around to reflect a risk based assessment. The below article was posted on June 5

DHS Shifts their focus for budget allocation to risk based assessment: (pops)

Something is terribly flawed with the Department of Homeland Security when it concludes that New York City has "zero" national icons and that Washington, D.C., is at low risk of a terrorist attack. Such analysis defies reason and reality. Worse, DHS is cutting anti-terrorism funding by 40 percent for both metropolitan areas. What is the DHS thinking?

Lest we seem ungrateful, we applaud DHS's counter-terrorism grants to South Florida. For the first time, DHS awarded $10 million to Broward and Palm Beach counties separately from Miami-Dade. Monroe and Miami-Dade, which share a grant, got $15.9 million, a $100,000 increase. The needs are obvious. South Florida was a magnet for 9/11 hijackers and remains at risk given our international tourism, deep-water Port of Miami and Port Everglades' fuel depot.

That said, there is no question that NYC and Washington, which suffered the 9/11 attacks, remain top-priority terror targets. Terrorists want to kill large numbers of Americans and send a message. Hitting the nation's economic and political focal points does both. The damaging impact reverberates worldwide.

Ironically, DHS used a new risk-based process to divide up the anti-terror funds this year. This was the response to complaints that DHS sent security funds to places where there is little apparent terrorist danger. In fiscal 2005, for example, DHS granted Billings, Mont. -- population 100,000 -- $21 million versus $19 million for South Florida.

Now critics complain about the new allocation process. NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg questions whether politics swayed the grant decisions.

It is curious that DHS cut New Orleans' anti-terror funding in half after its defenses and first responders have been battered by Hurricane Katrina. In the home state of Rep. Hal Rogers, chair of the subcommittee on Homeland Security appropriations, Louisville, Ky., got a $3.5 million (41 percent) boost in funds.

DHS defended its allocations saying it had weighed risk as well as the quality of the grant proposals. Officials criticized both NYC's and Washington's applications. DHS took issue with NYC's use of grants to pay for recurring costs, namely overtime for police on counter-terror duties. DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff even suggested that the two cities were victims of their success at hardening possible terrorist targets.

DHS should use better judgment. The goal that trumps all others is protecting the nation from terrorists. NYC and Washington and other key cities must be secured. If DHS isn't satisfied with those cities spend their allocation, it should work with them to improve their use of anti-terror funds. Anything less puts the nation at risk.


I would like to point out to you that Attah and pals were from Broward county (Coral Springs) although fark if that reflects on what Miami says about itself. By now - most of you have seen the footage exemplifying what an abject toilet Liberty City is. I can tell you from experience it is filled with all sorts of extravagant nutcases, weird groups, cults, Jehovah's farking wittnesses, everybody. The optimum factoid here is that Liberty City is so farking broke and nasty it is doubtful anyone busted there would be able to defend themselves from shiat.

I thought this was just Miami farking around with budget shiat. After listening to stupid ass Curtis Sliwa (who should farking know better as Guardian Angels patrol Liberty City) and the ultra righties trying to railroad these guys, I DO think it's more than that.

In addition - two of these guys are Hatian. Hatians in Miami are about as popular as Jews in Saudi Arabia. From all the hatred I am hearing - this is just making it easier for the whole city to fark with more Hatians (as if anyone needed an excuse).

Nixon admin bullshiat. Look into it.
 
2006-06-23 06:08:51 PM  
Wow, so they caught a bunch of bumbling idiots.
The war on terror is working. Our fearless leaders are keeping us safe. We need them to protect us! Without NSA wiretaps, we would have never caught them!
 
2006-06-23 06:10:22 PM  
I'm sure they were BFF on Myspace.
 
2006-06-23 06:10:23 PM  
This was sooo worth us giving up our rights!
 
2006-06-23 06:11:16 PM  
A sixth defendant, Lyglenson Lemorin...

Convict him just on his name.
 
2006-06-23 06:11:23 PM  
Hey, don't dis Judas Priest, VTSquire.
 
2006-06-23 06:12:08 PM  
Faethe- What?

Look, if a group is bound and determined to do someone damage, then sticking them in jail before they aquire the means to do that damage is a darn good idea as far as I'm concerned.
 
2006-06-23 06:12:29 PM  
WE ARE SAFE NOW!!!!!!ONE!!!

Everyone eat crappy food because we are saved from the terrorists.
 
2006-06-23 06:13:24 PM  
It's sounding less and less like these were a bunch of terrorists who got caught in their early stages of their plot to attack Chicago and Miami and more like they were a bunch of idiots who were talking big with zero capability of even blowing their noses.
 
2006-06-23 06:15:09 PM  
Chainik Hocker: Look, if a group is bound and determined to do someone damage, then sticking them in jail before they aquire the means to do that damage is a darn good idea as far as I'm concerned.

How do you know they were going to do damage? Where is the farking evidence these guys were anything but a cluster of nutjobs who looked funny, inside a city filled with nutjobs who look funny. So tell me, are you advocating thoughtcrime or not? If these guys were going to blow shiat up - where the fark is the blowing shiat up materials? How about a farking plan?
 
2006-06-23 06:16:56 PM  
Okay, England had Jack the ripper
And the Yorkshire ripper, My uncle was wrongfully held by the police as they thought it was him, they were looking for someone with a north eastern accent traveling to and from Yorkshire.
Don't forget Harold Shipman AKA Dr Death.
 
2006-06-23 06:17:03 PM  
Love the headline!
*clap clap clap*
Maybe these yahooies can find themselves a good lawyer from Amazon as well. God knows we have enough of them. Wait... does this mean that there are now more villians than lawyers in the USA?
 
2006-06-23 06:17:47 PM  
alphax

heheheh, I like his music, personally.
 
2006-06-23 06:17:55 PM  
TheSilverOne: It's sounding less and less like these were a bunch of terrorists who got caught in their early stages of their plot to attack Chicago and Miami and more like they were a bunch of idiots who were talking big with zero capability of even blowing their noses.

Yup. I think that if we left them to their own devices, they would have eventually ended up throwing a few pipe-bombs into a Miami night club or some other petty shiat. These fools are small time.
 
2006-06-23 06:19:38 PM  
faethe: Where is the farking evidence

I assume there's going to a be one of those thingies called a "trial" where one of those people called a "prosecutor" will present it to another person called the "judge".
 
2006-06-23 06:20:12 PM  
TheSilverOne: It's sounding less and less like these were a bunch of terrorists who got caught in their early stages of their plot to attack Chicago and Miami and more like they were a bunch of idiots who were talking big with zero capability of even blowing their noses.

Yup. 5 less TFarker's
 
2006-06-23 06:21:17 PM  
Do people still believe the administration that cried wolf and the media that assists them? This is a publicity stunt nothing more.
 
2006-06-23 06:21:26 PM  
Chainik Hocker
Look, if a group is bound and determined to do someone damage, then sticking them in jail before they aquire the means to do that damage is a darn good idea as far as I'm concerned.

I think that was faethe's point. In their view, it might be "convenient" to find these morons, who we already know were not actually capable of doing damage. We have empirical evidence that they were doing nice things in the neighborhood, although we have testimony of a government plant, who was the highest ranking individual IN the group, that they were up to nefarious deeds.

I think it is unlikely that this administration would let themselves be caught like this, so they're baiting the the ACLU and Dems to say something about due process, or wagging the dog, and then they'll drop the phone evidence (domestic), the banking records, as well as some sort of irrefutable statement about their intents.

This will shore up support for bank and phone record surveillance, and make some "liberal" groups look like conspirators. Don't forget that Rove is no longer doing policy, and is purely focused on the elections.
 
2006-06-23 06:22:46 PM  
nicovideo.blogstation.fr

Liberty City? Yeah, it's a dump, but the gnocchi at St. Mark's Bistro is pretty good.
 
2006-06-23 06:23:58 PM  
A your Al-qaeda are belong to us.
 
2006-06-23 06:24:06 PM  
bbcrackmonkey: I assume there's going to a be one of those thingies called a "trial" where one of those people called a "prosecutor" will present it to another person called the "judge".


From what I just saw of Attorney Marvelous with the justice department, according to his own testimony - the only thing they have on these guys is that they 'said' they were going to blow shiat up.

That's IT.
 
2006-06-23 06:25:54 PM  
Turing_Machine: I think that was faethe's point. In their view, it might be "convenient" to find these morons, who we already know were not actually capable of doing damage. We have empirical evidence that they were doing nice things in the neighborhood, although we have testimony of a government plant, who was the highest ranking individual IN the group, that they were up to nefarious deeds.


Yes, exactly. I have no idea what these guys ultimate motives were - but as it stands - they were doing nothing illegal. They were apparently (if you believe the goverment informant) talking about doing weird shiat.

Talking out of your ass does not make you part of an Al-Queda farking terror cell.
 
2006-06-23 06:26:09 PM  
There is something very fishy going on here. A bunch of guys that attend Catholic church each Sunday with their families and at least some of them with reputations for doing good in the community, no weapons, no terror ties = Suddenly, they are going to blow up the world. And all this because of an inside Arab plant. Shades of "Curveball". Election time is nearing.
 
2006-06-23 06:26:27 PM  
faethe

So are you saying that if I conspire with a hitman (who is a undercover fbi agent) I shouldnt be arrested?
 
2006-06-23 06:28:48 PM  
Turing_Machine: I think it is unlikely that this administration would let themselves be caught like this, so they're baiting the the ACLU and Dems to say something about due process, or wagging the dog, and then they'll drop the phone evidence (domestic), the banking records, as well as some sort of irrefutable statement about their intents.


Actually - after reading this - that WOULD be slick as gooseshiat - eh?
 
2006-06-23 06:29:12 PM  
faethe: they 'said' they were going to blow shiat up

Isn't it illegal to conspire to blow shiat up, even without getting caught with 10 tons of fertilizer in your truck?
 
2006-06-23 06:29:12 PM  
Faethe:

I don't know that they were going to do damage, of course. I don't know that they wern't. I heard, on TV, that some guys were arrested on suspicion of attempting to try to blow some shiat up, or something. I know exactly as much about this as you do, as I do not work for the DA's office or the FBI or the ATF or whoever it was that busted them.

I do know this: it is really easy to figure out how to blow shiat up, if only "throwing a few pipe-bombs into a Miami night club or some other petty shiat", as bbcrackmonkey puts it.

Which means that blowing up a few people in a night club is fine and dandy, something Hamas will be pleased to hear.

A few points:

1) A global movement exists whose purpose is to blow shiat up until America something something Isreal something something Mahdi blah blah Global Caliphate etc. 72 virgins or possibly just Helen Thomas.

2) The people who are loosely affiliated with the above movement have been blowing shiat up for, what, thirty years now, and show no signs of stopping.

3) If a bunch of farktards declare allegiance with the above movement and declare themselves ready and willing to blow shiat up, even if on a smaller scale than 9/11, then we have no choice but to take them seriously.

4) Therefore, if a bunch of orons get together for the purpose of blowing shiat up then they must be stopped, regardless of thier actual ability to blow shiat up... because they could either get better or just get lucky.
 
2006-06-23 06:30:26 PM  
Sounds like a pretty damn weak case.
 
2006-06-23 06:31:21 PM  
GoodOmens: So are you saying that if I conspire with a hitman (who is a undercover fbi agent) I shouldnt be arrested?


iwould say you are not part of a farking Al-Queda terror cell, and that you are indeed an idiot. Make no mistake - I do not speak for the virtue of these people. It's just increasingly unlikely that the bill of goods does not match the goods received, and I find that distressing as fark.

I already posited that this was EXTREMELY convienient for Miami.

Oh, and btw - ABC news just opened with how 'a bigger terror plot than 9/11'.

This REALLY bothers me.
 
2006-06-23 06:32:42 PM  
Same argument as last night


These guys are a group of idiots and deserve whatever they get.
 
2006-06-23 06:32:48 PM  
Fighting them there instead of fighting them here!
 
2006-06-23 06:33:25 PM  
Have you seen the mugshots of these winners? They look like a compendium of
"keepin it real" enthusiasts from the BET audience.
 
2006-06-23 06:34:24 PM  
bbcrackmonkey
So if you were angry and said to someone at a bar "Damnit, I'm going to KILL my boss , whether or not you were being literal or not, you should be arrested for threatening to kill someone?
 
2006-06-23 06:35:06 PM  
Chainik Hocker: I do know this: it is really easy to figure out how to blow shiat up, if only "throwing a few pipe-bombs into a Miami night club or some other petty shiat", as bbcrackmonkey puts it.


But that does not mean you are part of an Al-Queda terror cell? People throw pipe bombs and shiat around Miami constantly. They are assholes that need arrested. NOT paraded on television as terrorist.

bbcrackmonkey: Isn't it illegal to conspire to blow shiat up, even without getting caught with 10 tons of fertilizer in your truck?

Yes - I think it is, but usually, you know - there is a plan? Or evidence of a plan that exists outside an informants testimony. BTW - when is it cool for a farking FBI informant to insist he is part of Al-Queso and can make all their dreams come true? From what I understand, the farking plant was directing this?
 
2006-06-23 06:36:44 PM  
faethe: Oh, and btw - ABC news just opened with how 'a bigger terror plot than 9/11'.

This REALLY bothers me.


Typical media and gov't officials blowing shiat out of proportion. If I were bothered every time these choads did this then I would probably have eaten a wad of buckshot.

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2006-06-23 06:36:46 PM  
Great, another bunch of dumb Moussaouis. I'm not forgetting that the FBI are the same gang of idiots that ignored warnings from their own agents that something screwy was up before 9/11.
 
2006-06-23 06:38:57 PM  
So unless they had an official Al Quada Secret Decoder Ring and were making matching contributions to the Al Quada Suicide Bombers Widows and Orphans fund they should be charged with ordinary moronitude?

Al Quada, by all we know now, isn't an official orginazation with an office building and a pension plan and an interoffice wiki, it's a collection of loosely affiliated murderous psycopath whackjobs.
 
2006-06-23 06:39:05 PM  
Felgraf: So if you were angry and said to someone at a bar "Damnit, I'm going to KILL my boss , whether or not you were being literal or not, you should be arrested for threatening to kill someone?

I think you're sort of skewing the situation. If I was angry and said to an undercover FBI agent at a bar "Dammit, I'm going to launch mass-casualty attacks against several targets within the US! Possibly including the Miami federal building and Sears Tower, most likely with a truck bomb of some sort. You wouldn't happen to be a member of Al-Qaeda would you? I would like to wage some Jihad." Then I should probably be arrested.
 
2006-06-23 06:40:31 PM  
LOLZ, bbcrackmonkey.

LOLZ indeed.
 
2006-06-23 06:40:58 PM  
bbcrackmonkey: Typical media and gov't officials blowing shiat out of proportion. If I were bothered every time these choads did this then I would probably have eaten a wad of buckshot.


LOL it bothers me more because I am from Miami - I mean - I know how shiat works down there (like this). Railroading people for fun and profit I guess is OK when it's local, but it's not cool when it goes national.

If that makes any sense at all LOL!

So how serious is everyone going to take it when a genuine terror cell gets uncapped?
 
2006-06-23 06:42:50 PM  
The Liberty City perp in question?

nicovideo.blogstation.fr
 
2006-06-23 06:43:11 PM  
i lol'd
 
2006-06-23 06:45:22 PM  
faethe: So how serious is everyone going to take it when a genuine terror cell gets uncapped?

Well they uncapped a big one in Toronto not too long ago, and a cell that was on the verge of acquiring large amounts of ammonium nitrate for their bombs. I figure we're due. As of right now, frankly I'm disappointed in Al-Qaeda's lack of effort. Those guys used to be at the top of their game, now look at them. The most they can scrounge together is a gaggle of retards and their Iraqi office has just had massive layoffs.
 
2006-06-23 06:45:40 PM  
Chainik Hocker: Al Quada, by all we know now, isn't an official orginazation with an office building and a pension plan and an interoffice wiki, it's a collection of loosely affiliated murderous psycopath whackjobs.


Yeah but I can pretty much assure you they are not operating a terror cell in Liberty City, or under the front seat on the bus, or behind you on the subway. During the Nixon admin - painting people pink was a great way to get them deported, have them survieled by the FBI (at taxpayer expense thank you very much) or get rid of people the admin did not approve of. This is how it starts - you start loosening the requirements for coralling random nutjobs so they pretty much apply to any 'subversive' group.

Anyone listen to our girl Ann Coulter today? I bet she had a big fat 'o' on the radio somewhere over this. She's been preaching that Liberals should be isolated, and kept under survellience.

I wonder if she called these guys liberals, eh?
 
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