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2006-06-18 03:33:23 PM
somedoctorguy: The death penalty is not a deterrent.

Really? Are there dead people around comitting crimes somewhere?


I think you might want to crack open a dictionary and look up the term "deterrent". Hint: its definition is not the same as that for "prevention".
 
2006-06-18 03:33:32 PM
InflatableJesus: What exactly would Maryland and Virginia have to do to regain their "southernness"?


Displat as many confererate flags as we do in Central Pennsylvania. I guarantee you it's more than you see in any southern state.
 
2006-06-18 03:34:08 PM
Or DISPLAY CONFEDERATE - too tired from the heat to spell.
 
2006-06-18 03:34:34 PM
somedoctorguy: The death penalty is not a deterrent.

Really? Are there dead people around comitting crimes somewhere?


Are there living people who will never commit murder because of the penalty?
 
2006-06-18 03:37:06 PM
I say not only behead, but torture those bastards daily until the execution.

You won't commit a crime if you know you won't JUST get raped by the other inmates...
 
BOZ
2006-06-18 03:37:53 PM
Vangor: Costs generally less to house an inmate indefinitely in prison than it does to execute them in almost every instance, and this is an over time figure which means those resources are used over many years, say 50+, rather than a singular instance. Not to mention there is almost not accountability on the actual cost for trial lawyers, court time, investigation and police resources themselves, on those specific cases.

Rope is pretty cheap, especially if it is used right after a trial. It is the dragging it out that costs.
/bullets don't cost much either
 
2006-06-18 03:38:21 PM
Vangor: they all seem to use,Southern Logic


I repeat my resentment of obnoxious, pigeonholing, simple thinking for you as well. Did you read your post? Its funny you put hitler in there, while you were grouping southerners.

IMO,The most ignorant you can look is when you are grouping a whole section of people as ignorant.
 
2006-06-18 03:38:30 PM
What exactly would Maryland and Virginia have to do to regain their "southernness"?


Stop driving Volvos.
 
2006-06-18 03:42:11 PM
people convicted of murder, drug trafficking, rape and armed robbery can be executed.

Works for me. Maybe this Sharia law isn't such a bad thing. Might get red of some liberals easily.
 
2006-06-18 03:43:01 PM
Isn't it great how our country is comparable to the great Kingdom of Saudi Arabia?

/America
//fark Yeah!
 
2006-06-18 03:43:06 PM
Hmm, a little bit of history here...

The Qur'an doesn't permit the death penalty in the first place for anything such as drug trafficking or the like. Death to a person who kills an innocent is allowed, but forgiveness by the family is prefereed and "better for the family". The method of execution is not played out, but it's clear unnecessary torture is not the goal. Most specifically, Islam calls for those who repent to not be punished in such a manner under any circumstance, whether they be war combatants or sporadic murderers.

Now, the method the Saudis use... public beheading, whether it acts as a deterrant to crime at all, has a number of benefits. It is cheap (only takes one sword and a sharpening stone for hundreds), quick, and can quite possibly be the most humane method of murder with such a small bill. The problem, however, is that the initial tradition of beheading was enacted in a time when almost everybody was a master swordsman. Parents taught their children from early childhood how to fight and family took pride in military history (this cultural practice reaches far before Islam, by the way). Thusly so, public executions only took one swift chop. Nowadays, however, men aren't necessarily as strong. The nerves aren't always entirely removed in one chop, and the execution quite often turns into more of a hack-fest than a swift and clean blow. This causes immense pain for the convicted and is no longer humane. This cultural practice, which many terrorists attempt to integrate as Islamic, causes great suffering for those which terrorists wish to execute. Similar to the guillotine, anything but a single-blow beheading can be, at the very least, gruesome.
 
2006-06-18 03:45:32 PM
MusicMakeMyHeadPound, I wanted to point that out, darn you!

Personally, I consider the idea of deterrence a secondary factor. If someone has proven themselves to be a lethal threat, they need to be out of the pool. It would be great if other people looked and said, "Hey, that will be me if I don't change my evil ways!" I doubt, honestly, that the death penalty has sufficient immediacy to bring about a big change in that regard. For that, we'd need instant karma, IMHO-- the cops show up, use the CSI-approved DNA analyzer, solve the case, drag the guy outside, chop his head off and mount it on a pike outside his mother's house... that's a deterent. But that's not the point. The point is that a guy that has proven himself a threat is no longer able to kill. No risk of escape from prison, no nothing. He's permanently out of the picture.
 
2006-06-18 03:45:58 PM
omg submiter i luv ur headline it is gr8. it rily made me think about what its lyk in saudi arabya. you shud haf put in more stuff about sand tho, cuz i like sand it is like beachs, so mebe somethin lyk "teh score of murder kills in sand conttry is 2 to 0 for america, which has good sand on the beach." or somethin. thx
 
2006-06-18 03:48:51 PM
NewportBarGuy: Are there living people who will never commit murder because of the penalty?

Let's say there are 5 kids in a household. If a parent spanks one of the children one time in front of all the others, does the parent actually need to spank the others at each transgression?? Absolutely not, all they have to do 98% of the time is threaten.
 
2006-06-18 03:49:22 PM
WORST. GODDAMN. HEADLINE. EVAR.

/but kudos to submitter for getting it approved.
 
2006-06-18 03:50:34 PM
Nudge, that's why they have appointed executioners who are properly trained for the job. Here... meet one of them, poppy-style!.
 
2006-06-18 03:55:38 PM
ga362

Which head do they chop off for rape?

"Rape" under the Saudi legal definition happens very rarely. If the woman is a Saudi, she can't go outside without a male relative. If she's raped by her husband it's not really rape because the husband owns her. That just leaves foreign workers, mostly Indonesian maids. You can rape those all you like, because if she's dumb enough to go to the police they will most likely cane her for bringing false accusations against her employer and send her back to her own country.

And judging by the number of people here baying for blood, Saudi Arabia is not the only country stuck in the middle ages.
 
2006-06-18 03:56:04 PM
Thank God we're winning against the Middle East in one catagory at least.

Our governmnent has more legally sanctified killings than Saudi Arabia!

USA!USA!USA!
 
2006-06-18 03:56:55 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Texas has 11 for 2006.



Are any of those 11 retarded? I hear Texas govenors have a fetish for executing retards.
 
2006-06-18 03:57:01 PM
godofusa.com: I say not only behead, but torture those bastards daily until the execution.

Sigh, the mentality of Abu Ghraib is still alive and spouting crap.
 
2006-06-18 03:58:17 PM
Freakalocious: WORST. GODDAMN. HEADLINE. EVAR.


You must be new to Fark.
 
2006-06-18 03:58:18 PM
MrLint
"capital punishment doesn't deter violent crime."
However what are the effects of public execution? Clearly an execution taking place without 'anyone' to see, would have a much different public effect than would be capital criminals seeing their possible fate in the public square.


Agreed. Public executions at the ballpark before the game would be more effective.

And for those rare individuals who were not guilty, at least here you have given something to society. Dishonesty in application of the law should be punishable by death when it results in the death of another.


Remember looking out for #1 - The United States? The nation of strong, healthy, honest, true men and women who stand up for what they believe.

We do not tolerate murderers, rapists, nor thieves.

The pushy and obnoxious have their place in the slums.

Gentlemen and Ladies rule our great nation.
 
2006-06-18 04:01:19 PM
rashameid: Isn't it great how our country is comparable to the great Kingdom of Saudi Arabia?

We are about as comparable to SA as you really living on an island in Nebraska, (down a curvy mountain road, too, im sure). That was a stretch of DanBrowninan proportions.
 
2006-06-18 04:04:47 PM
The Saint of Killers: 42. That's the answer.


and the question is... how many roads must a man walk down?
 
2006-06-18 04:08:33 PM
saynomore: And for those rare individuals who were not guilty, at least here you have given something to society.


Hey, 1987 called and it wants its copy of The Running Man back.
 
2006-06-18 04:10:27 PM
The grim reality is that most who commit murder do so with full knowledge of the consequences. Those folks need to be removed from society.

Society is the real reason we execute in America. As a reminder of the consequence of our action we can maintain a productive and happy populace.

Just placing a abhorent in prison does not quite fit the bill. The best way to view this is in the sense of a loved one. If the person you love most (other than yourself) is violently murdered by a piece of scum, what would you want that scum to do?

1.) Run free and do it again?
2.) Go to church, repent and be saved.?
3.) Spend time in public confinement learning how wrong it was to murder.?
4.) Do hard labor to repay the debt to society?
5.) Live in your house?
6.) Die quickly?
7.) Die painfully and slowly?
8.) Let you end thier life any way you choose?

Our society has chosen somewhere between 6 and 7.

Personally, I would want to be in a position to stop them from killing anyone in the first place, but with that option removed I would want to tear thier heart out with my left foot. Won't bring back my loved one, but I will feel thier pain.
 
2006-06-18 04:13:11 PM
saynomore: Gentlemen and Ladies rule our great nation.

Damn straight skippy. Now get back into the slum.
 
2006-06-18 04:15:50 PM
FarkLark: Society is the real reason we execute in America. As a reminder of the consequence of our action we can maintain a productive and happy populace.


That would be an awesome idea if our criminal justice system wasn't so flawed that people are REGULARLY released from death row because they were falsely convicted.

Get back to me when we have a foolproof way to make sure ALL the people on death row are truly guilty. Until then, it shouldn't be allowed. The murder of even ONE innocent American is one too many.
 
2006-06-18 04:16:34 PM
Whoa... I didn't realize that "font +3" was so big. :P
 
2006-06-18 04:17:10 PM
El Morro,

Agreed.


One problem, what about your dead loved one?
 
2006-06-18 04:28:29 PM
chuggernaught: The death penalty does deter crime. My fear of the chair is the only thing that keeps me from climbing a clock tower with a deer rifle.

/So there. Disprove that.
//neener


So what's preventing you from going to a state that does not have the death penalty and climbing the clock tower with your deer rifle?
 
2006-06-18 04:30:22 PM
If he shot and killed two men in a fight, I do not see the problem.
 
2006-06-18 04:34:10 PM
Previous poster was correct. The practice is called "Wergild", and is an outgrowth of the chivalrous syetem: I may have a right to kill you in battle, but not to beggar your family who has never done me harm. Therefore, if I take a man's life, I am obligated to pay the family a compensation.

I can think of a lot of SOBs I would like to take out, but of you take a look at the sow he married and those six brats or so, it would be pretty cheap life insurance.

We ought to try it in this country, cut down on crime.
 
2006-06-18 04:34:59 PM
DrCocktosten: My apoligies if I offended any considerate northerners.
Seriously, both of you, I'm sorry.
Rude, lazy thinking Northerners please resume normal, safe bloviation.


DrCocktosten: I repeat my resentment of obnoxious, pigeonholing, simple thinking for you as well.
IMO,The most ignorant you can look is when you are grouping a whole section of people as ignorant.


Oh, just listen to yourself DrCocktosten... umm, methink you're the one writing the most condescending, obnoxios posts around here.
 
2006-06-18 04:36:54 PM
FarkLark: One problem, what about your dead loved one?

I think about that too sometimes.

Lets say someone you care about is killed. Another person is arrested for it. Give them life in prison without the possibility of parole.

That way, if they are guilty, they spend the rest of their life in a cell with no freedom having to deal with the warped environment of prison and everything it involves. That alone is hell. Then they die, and literally go to hell at that point (if you believe in that type of thing).

BUT, lets say 15 years goes by and through DNA, a confession or whatever, you find out that ANOTHER person is responsible. At least in that circumstance, the first person can get back their freedom/life, and proper punishment can be put on the real murderer.

I'm sure I would have trouble sleeping at night if I cheered the death of someone who I thought to be the person who killed my loved one, only to find out later that he was in fact innocent.
 
2006-06-18 04:39:07 PM
Boz_da_boz this is why there is so many flaws to death penalties costs however, is often they will express the cost purely of carrying out the execution. If there was data collected from the court costs, investigation, etc., then I don't think anyone is in in doubt that it costs above and beyond housing an inmate for the rest of their life, except it costs it within months of time. Plus I think if you did it with a bullet or rope there would be a few more people on you about it and it would be removed fairly quick.

DrCockesten I think you fail to recognize the sarcasm, I live in Florida, and hate sweeping generalizations. I'm simply explaining matters of how fruitless both of your arguments are, emblazoned with a Godwinning of said discussion. Sorry, did not mean to throw a curve at you, but, subtle sarcasm is far better than being overly so, it just ends up in flames faster.
 
2006-06-18 04:42:24 PM
DrCocktosten

I repeat my resentment of obnoxious, pigeonholing, simple thinking for you as well. Did you read your post? Its funny you put hitler in there, while you were grouping southerners.

IMO,The most ignorant you can look is when you are grouping a whole section of people as ignorant.


Stereotyping of southerners as ignorant = not OK
Stereotyping of notherners as inconsiderate, lazy, rude = OK

Man, try listening to yourself.
 
2006-06-18 04:46:26 PM
somedoctorguy:

The death penalty is not a deterrent.

Really? Are there dead people around comitting crimes somewhere?


Probably right about as many as people locked up in prison for the rest of their lives commit.
 
2006-06-18 04:50:05 PM
threeve
 
2006-06-18 04:51:38 PM
The world has bigger problems than the treatment of murderers. Personally I'm against the death penalty but let's be honest. The person receiving the punishment is a murderer. Are we seriously wasting time and energy talking about whether this is fair or not? WHO GIVES A SHIAT??
 
2006-06-18 04:53:28 PM
Magorn Yeah, I did fall asleep in comparative law.. that was the same semester that I took Molecular Biology, Differential Equations, Physics with Calculus.. um and oh yeah.. Band 1.
 
2006-06-18 04:54:02 PM
tylerdurden217: The person receiving the punishment is a murderer.

But they're NOT, always. That's the problem.

As for hack beheadings in SA, if this is truly a problem, why DON'T they move to a properly weighted guillotine?
 
2006-06-18 04:54:05 PM
InflatableJesus
That's usually what people say about Maryland...but what exactly do you even mean by "southern anymore"? The states didn't just get up and move north. What aspect of their society changed that they're not "southern anymore"...?

You mean other than economically, religiously and politically? If you want to see how Maryland has changed in the last century, live in the Baltimore-Washington suburbs for a while. Then head over the Bay Bridge. Central Maryland is part of the Northeast now, thankfully.
 
2006-06-18 04:55:46 PM
El Morro
Get back to me when we have a foolproof way to make sure ALL the people on death row are truly guilty. Until then, it shouldn't be allowed. The murder of even ONE innocent American is one too many.


Implement the death penalty in cases of confession (verified by psychologists to be of sound mind) before a court and corresponding DNA evidence. You're welcome.
 
2006-06-18 04:56:46 PM
If crime rates aren't going down but prisons are getting fuller that suggests that more poeple are becoming criminals just to keep the crime rate up... think about it.
 
2006-06-18 04:58:53 PM
tylerdurden217: The world has bigger problems than the treatment of murderers. Personally I'm against the death penalty but let's be honest. The person receiving the punishment is a murderer. Are we seriously wasting time and energy talking about whether this is fair or not? WHO GIVES A SHIAT??


I know it's been said, but I'll say it again. Many times THE PERSON PUT TO DEATH IS NOT THE MURDERER.

How do you apologize to someone when you put them to death, thinking they are the murderer and it turns out be someone else? You can't.

How do you apologize to the FAMILY of that person put to death, when it turns out that their brother/father/uncle/son was mistakenly convicted and DNA evidence clears their name later on?

I wish life was as black and white as you seem to think it is, but it's not.
 
2006-06-18 04:59:54 PM
worldbeater: Implement the death penalty in cases of confession (verified by psychologists to be of sound mind) before a court and corresponding DNA evidence. You're welcome.

I was about to blow your spot until I read what I bolded. Well done.
 
2006-06-18 05:00:20 PM
I kinda just wish they would kill of eachother so we wouldn't have to hear about them anymore.
Honestly, the lives of those Camel jockeys over there doesn't mean a lot to me. They don't help the food chain until they die, and that's when they become the most useful. Up until that point they're just media whores. Everyday they have to be in the news about some bombing or beheading. That Bin Laden guy is just like all of them, useless. They are under educated, and can't hold a decent job without blowing something up. They're idea of a good time is reading their version of the bible and killing eachother.
Can't we just drop a nuke on their country and be done with it all?
 
2006-06-18 05:03:42 PM
I'll add to my previous post that you can't be in "the South" if you live in the BosWash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BosWash
 
2006-06-18 05:13:22 PM
I'm against the death penalty regardless of the location.
 
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