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2006-06-15 01:29:00 AM  
Response: Traffic authorities point out subtle design flaw in motorcycles.
 
2006-06-15 01:29:19 AM  
I've had guys on pushbikes split (I think it's called "filtering" here) in traffic. Now, a motorbike I don't mind, they get off the line at the lights far faster than the average car, but when you've already had to pass a cyclist in heavy traffic, and they then filter through and sit in fron of you at an intersection, you see red...
 
2006-06-15 01:32:07 AM  
2006-06-15 01:11:28 AM L33t Squirrel

Glad to hear they didn't add insult to injury, and that Sean wasn't much worst for wear. I've had friends slide down the road with very little damage, and others who's lives were cut short. Riding is dangerous, but so is most everything that is enjoyable.
 
2006-06-15 01:32:14 AM  
jayhajj


I known it is legal in CA, but think your're asking for trouble. How would you react if I cut in front of you in queue at the market or amusement park?

I think that is an apples to oranges comparison. When I am in my car and somebody is splitting traffic, I just give them room and wish I was on my bike instead of being parked on the freeway. :)
 
2006-06-15 01:35:28 AM  
rivetboy

That is exactly what it mean and it is also legal in my state to do so. So you are also an assclown and should also practice defensive driving, rather than contemplating vehicular homicide. I also ride within my limits wear leather and a helmet and if I survive, will sue your sorry ass into poverty.I also carry three pinball balls in my pocket if you catch my drift,assclown.

You shouldn't talk about defensive driving when you admit to splitting traffic. In most states it is illegal, and in the ones that it is legal it is heavily advised against and the rider is responsible to travel through traffic at a safe enough speed to avoid colliding with any unexpected barriers.

Most cycling groups are heavily against lane splitting. It's one of the most dangerous things a biker can do that is actually legal.
 
2006-06-15 01:37:26 AM  
Raggot

Sorry for coming off so harsh, but I enjoy both riding and staying alive!
 
2006-06-15 01:42:27 AM  
I've never ridden on or driven a motorcycle because I know how dangerous they are.

I drive with the greatest of care around motorcycles, because I know how dangerous they are.

Anyone who would maliciously hurt a rider on the road needs to be lobotomized with an entrenching tool.

Oh, and cable barriers are a dumb idea.
/soapbox off
 
2006-06-15 01:46:07 AM  
rivetboy

3 pinball balls, huh? You sound like the kind of guy I would refuse to ride with. One of my coworkers at my last job carried a "shooter" marble (the big 1.25" marbles) to pop cagers with if need be. I stopped riding with him shortly after I found out. It seems that when you carry a weapon you're more likely to ride as though you're looking to use it. But that's just my personal experience.

Then again, I've been known to carry a .45 in my tailbag (in a hardcase, unloaded, and with the magazine in the saddlebag). But that's just for when I'm motorcycle camping and headed to the middle of nowhere (like the northern Adirondacks - bear country). It's not for use against cagers. And I AM properly licensed to carry it thusly.

Lemme guess, you've got one of those nifty "1%'er" tattoos, right?

/gun-toting liberal
//safe rider above all
 
2006-06-15 01:50:27 AM  
If motorcyclists want to be respected as vehicles then they should act like one, not by zipping in and and out between moving vehicles, not by riding along the shoulder and generally acting like smug arseholes laughing at the other "fools in their metal coffins".
That goes for cyclists that glibly roll past red lights and pedestrian crossings too.
 
2006-06-15 01:52:09 AM  
Problem solved. Unintended consequences improbable.

www.fathom.com
 
2006-06-15 01:58:04 AM  
Baron-Harkonnen


You shouldn't talk about defensive driving when you admit to splitting traffic. In most states it is illegal, and in the ones that it is legal it is heavily advised against and the rider is responsible to travel through traffic at a safe enough speed to avoid colliding with any unexpected barriers.

I have been riding (legally)for 37 years and have never had an accident.So, I do not feel you have any right at all to tell me what I can or cannot talk about regarding safety in operating a motorcycle.How long have you been riding?
 
2006-06-15 01:59:42 AM  
jayhajj: How would you react if I cut in front of you in queue at the market or amusement park?

If you were a fraction of my size, and would just fly right through the register without having to stop I wouldn't mind. Do motorcycles EVER slow down traffic?
 
2006-06-15 02:01:41 AM  
Most cagers are against splitting because they can't do it and they hate people "queue jumping" as-it-were...

colostomy_bag: They should be subject to the same restrictions as bicycles and banned from high-speed roads.


Ha.. so, what? your pus-bucket, ton-of-steel, POS cant keep up???
 
2006-06-15 02:03:17 AM  
What a turkey! Hey, fella! You're a turkey!

Didn't the Nazi's do something like this? But didnt they use piano wire or something strung across roads so it would decapitate the allied troops when they were in their jeeps?
 
2006-06-15 02:08:29 AM  
MacEnvy

And I AM properly licensed to carry it thusly.

Boy I am going to sleep better tonite knowing thusly that you are properly licensed to carry an unloaded weapon.

Like I have stated earlier, riding for 37 years and no accidents.
No stupid Tattoos either and a college degree. Your stereotypes are just going down in flames tonite.
 
2006-06-15 02:12:09 AM  

The MRAA today released a photograph of a stretch of wire rope barrier alongside a Victorian highway, where a motorcyclist was killed in 2004.

www.hyperjump.net

 
2006-06-15 02:20:10 AM  
Note that many bikes are air cooled or liquid cooled without a fan, meaning that sitting in inland SoCal traffic for any length of time will cook an engine. Not to mention the discomfort of leather jacket, jeans, and a full face helmet sitting still in hot weather sitting on a hot engine, surrounded by hot cars. You're farking right I'm going to split lanes if I can fit. Sorry you can't but get over it. It doesn't affect you.
 
2006-06-15 02:23:26 AM  
rivetboy

It's no simple thing to carry a handgun in a vehicle in NYS. Even unloaded. But good job with the comeback.

As far as I know, there is no such licensing procedure to carry pinball balls which would be used to hurl at cagers who piss you off. Maybe there should be.

Riding for 37 years? Great. Seriously, it's great. I've only been riding a few years, but I'm not sure what effect that has on our discussion. The fact is that you carry a weapon that you intend to use on drivers who do stupid and admittedly dangerous/deadly things. That makes you just as much of a squid as a 16 year old on a Gixxer in my book. College degree or not. (I was being facetious with my tattoo remark, but I'm glad you aren't one of them anyway.)
 
2006-06-15 02:30:30 AM  
Basically what it means if you try to kill me, I am going to fight back. I am at the disadvantage and some people in cars will try to kill you, you believe it or not.

Ride safe and goodnite
 
2006-06-15 02:38:23 AM  
Barfly420: Note that many bikes are air cooled or liquid cooled without a fan, meaning that sitting in inland SoCal traffic for any length of time will cook an engine. Not to mention the discomfort of leather jacket, jeans, and a full face helmet sitting still in hot weather sitting on a hot engine, surrounded by hot cars. You're farking right I'm going to split lanes if I can fit. Sorry you can't but get over it. It doesn't affect you.

I agree, my old air cooled side valve boxer throws out enough heat to curl my leg hairs. I have to turn the thing off sitting in traffic. With a sidecar I can't split, but like most other riders of motorcycles, side cars, three wheelers, etc here in Beijing, the shoulder is used religiously.

hmm, gravel? I've not thought of that. I have kicked a car that got too close during a lane change without looking.
 
2006-06-15 02:44:50 AM  
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I know it's a bad picture, but we weren't sure if it was legal to have a camera pointed at what's in the back ground.
 
2006-06-15 02:48:46 AM  
Eh, I met a guy that lost his arm hitting a regular guardrail on his bike.

Perhaps we should remove all guardrails until this problem is solved.
 
2006-06-15 02:59:54 AM  
Barfly420 Note that many bikes are air cooled or liquid cooled without a fan, meaning that sitting in inland SoCal traffic for any length of time will cook an engine.

So if the thermostat in my car is busted, I should be able to drive on the shoulder in a traffic jam to keep up the airflow? I'm not following. If your vehicle isn't equipped to drive in completely predictable traffic conditions, perhaps it was a poor choice in the first place?
 
2006-06-15 03:02:30 AM  
Man... what most of you non-riding farkknuckles don't know
about riding would fill a farking warehouse. Good job on
the Donorcycle joke, none of us real riders have heard that
knee slapper before...

Not too long ago a self-important asswad in a cage purposely
blocked one of my club members while they were legally
lane splitting and made contact with their bike sending
that club member to the ground...

That cager got 'restrained' by the throat till PD arrived
to handle the situation. PD oddly enough saw no problem
with the level of 'restraint' administered given the
cagers intent to use their car as a weapon against my
club member.

What's the point? Most you doughy out of shape Internet
He-Men don't lock your doors. And nearly none of you
carry weapons or the mental fortitude to use them under
pressure. Amd while you may feel safe inside your cage,
all it takes is one angry motherfarker to breech that
barrier and shake you by the neck like a farking pinata
to make you think twice about ever crossing the path
of a motorcyclist again.
 
2006-06-15 03:22:05 AM  
Damn Moike, what're you still doing up? Farkin' vampire. Hahaha!

As for TFA, if I have a choice between no barrier on the freeway median or a cable barrier, I'll take the cable one. My reasoning is that I have control over my bike whereas I have no control over the drunk assclown cager coming the other direction crossing over the freeway.
 
2006-06-15 03:25:54 AM  
I hear all of this going on and what I think to myself is that as many assholes out there that wanna hurt bikers, theres just as many who go after cyclists, and we are naked and defenseless. Its scary sometimes, I would be interested to know who more hositility is shown towrds, biking or cycling commuters.

\My gas milage is better than yours.
\\10 miles to the burrito.
\\\the gas is worse though
 
2006-06-15 03:28:38 AM  
seatown75

So if the thermostat in my car is busted, I should be able to drive on the shoulder in a traffic jam to keep up the airflow? I'm not following. If your vehicle isn't equipped to drive in completely predictable traffic conditions, perhaps it was a poor choice in the first place?

Come on, man. It's not complicated. People just try so hard to find an argument. Yeesh.

See, in CA it is legal to split lanes in congested traffic, whereas it's not legal to drive a car on the shoulder. You are allowed to drive to the shoulder legally though so there you go. I'm not saying it should be done in a state where it's not legal. It is frustrating that I can't but here in Utah but I have to get off and take surface streets if there is heavy traffic, which is rare anyway -- unlike CA where it is guaranteed. Notice I used the CA example since it is the only state where this is legal.

Now instead of being obtuse, why not recognize that allowing bikes to split lanes benefits everyone by not making them a "poor choice" as you say, and instead encourages riding by reducing that persons commute time. Bikes take up less space, consume less fuel, produce less pollution, and generally would serve to alleviate some of the traffic problems of SoCal freeways if they were used more. If lane splitting were illegal then you are correct, they would be a poor choice for travel on CA freeways, increasing the traffic problem.

Does that make any sense to you?
 
2006-06-15 03:30:35 AM  
We have those stupid barriers here in farked up Arizona. Here's a NHTSA report saying they are okay and that research in the UK says there are safe for motorcycles:

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/crt/lifecycle/cable.cfm
 
2006-06-15 03:32:19 AM  
I know I'm beating a dead horse here but I never caught anyone putting in such a way so I'll go ahead:

1) Lanesplitting is legal only in California (mostly because CHP wants it so badly) and only because there's no law specifically against it. ie there's no strict rule that says you can't go more than 15mph faster or anything, it's simply up to the officer who sees you whether or not what you're doing is 'safe and prudent'

2) There hasn't been much research on motorcycle accidents in actual traffic at all, but according to all credible sources that have researched it (mostly the Hurt report), motorcycles are safer lanesplitting than sitting in traffic. This is mostly due to cagers' tendency to rear end bikes because they aren't paying attention.

3) Now for another anecdotal tale, I've been legally lanesplitting in Los Angeles for a long time. Me and my sportbiker friends all support wearing full gear all the time and SAFE riding. So when you see some a-hole screaming down the freeway at 100mph or splitting lanes at 60, that is not what we support. I'm talking about crawling through stopped traffic on the 405 at rush hour.

For more information please visit www.LaneShare.org and everyone please ride to work!
 
2006-06-15 03:33:03 AM  
I dont have a bike, and probably never will as, in my mind its like purposly living on the side of a volcano. It may not be your fault when shiat happens, but when it does happen you tend to be screwed.

That said, i have no problems with safe bikers, and tend to be a bit more careful around them. It's teh assholes that try to pass me on the right shoulder, when im trying to take a right turn, or around a bend...etc that piss me off. In my experiance, these guys are alsp riding without helmets, jackets... these guys piss me off.
 
2006-06-15 03:35:33 AM  
Raggot: Does "splitting traffic" mean going between cars in traffic? People who do that deserve to have doors opened on them.


Peopple like you deserve to die in a fire
 
2006-06-15 03:37:38 AM  
It is legal in California because there is no law that says two vehicles cannot share a lane. I think that two mini-coopers could drive side by side legally.

I learned how to ride specifically so that I could lane split. It is much easier on my blood pressure to reasonably split lanes than it is to sit in traffic.
 
2006-06-15 03:40:13 AM  
OH GO HERE WE GO AGAIN

99% of motorcyclists are waaaaaaaay better drivers than any of you climate controlled, 2 ton metal coffin driving mutherfarkers goddamit. If you are not a highly skilled driver on a motorbike you will die or at the very least be drinking through a straw for the rest of your life.
All you assholes with SUVs and MPVs go fark yourselves.

I have written FAR less inflammatory and less polarising posts on this topic but fark it I am sick and tired of taking the time to explain it to the vast hordes of mouth-breathing, hummer driving asspipes AGAIN
Goodnight.

Here are some thoughts;

When you check your mirrors look for bikes and m/bikes as well as cars.

When a motorbiker flips you the bird, YOU farkED UP, think back and try and figure out where you screwed up.

All you bastards stop trying to kill us please.
 
2006-06-15 03:43:56 AM  
The wires are there to keep the oncoming cars/bikes out of the accident. They are not really to protect the people that are part of the accident. Phoenix put the same barriers up because 80 year old drivers kept swerving into oncoming traffic after they died of heart attacks and killed people going the other way.


/If the wires cut the motorcyclist up into small enough pieces so they don't cause more accidents, they did their job.
 
2006-06-15 03:50:45 AM  
Dr.DangerWW, you have made my night. I don't ride a motorcycle, but my husband does (before it was stolen, then found six months later in Florida and painted green o.O), and I want to get one, too. The only reason I haven't is because central California is full of SUV & Hummer-driving asshats on their cell phones taking up BOTH FARKING LANES and passing me in every direction without a turn signal. I'm not joking when I don't think I've seen an SUV driver who was not gabbing on their damn phones. You win the thread. Good night!
 
2006-06-15 04:01:37 AM  
I've known quite a few motorcyclists and one day plan on learning how to ride myself. They were all nice guys and when they took me along always insisted on full helmets and leather jacket, pants, boots etc. They always drove safely. That being said, there is always gonna be some asshat that comes flying up the highway at 90 and flips you off because you changed lanes and didn't notice him coming up like a bat out of hell.
 
2006-06-15 04:10:52 AM  
I seriously doubt that even a very small percentage of drivers would intentionally cause injury to a cyclist. Perhaps the majority of these incidents are caused by the drivers of the "cages" not paying attention because they are busy cracking a cold one, dialing up their girlfriend on the cell, or trying to find a station on the radio that is not playing commercials. I just can not imagine someone dumb enough to intentionally cause a cyclist to crash during broad daylight with so many other people around.
The fact is that motorcycles are much more difficult to see in the mirrors than cars or trucks.
If cyclists would toot or beep their horns while splitting traffic it might help avoid un-intentional accidents.
My grandpa rode a cycle until he was 77. Wore a bright yellow helmet. Could see him coming a mile away. Grandma tried to get him to put an orange flag pole on his bike but he refused.
 
2006-06-15 04:14:09 AM  
ARchie, I think you are using cyclist and biker interchangeably, but in the wrong way, and as such, am verry verry confused.

\are we awake?
\\well that depends...
 
2006-06-15 04:17:35 AM  
Uchiha_Cycliste Hmmm, I guess. I thought a cyclist was one on 2 wheels.
 
2006-06-15 04:22:26 AM  
Dr.DangerWW

Awwww is Dr.DangerWW a cranky widdle man... yes he is... yes he is...

heh sorry :)

Seriously though, i bet everyone in a "cage" would drive alot better if they have TNT strapped all along their car, ready to go off at the slightest bump. Of course, that would be a stupid thing to do, right? :)
 
2006-06-15 04:22:53 AM  
i've always understood it to be restricted to 2 wheels and no engine
 
2006-06-15 04:28:33 AM  
cy·clist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sklst)
n.
One who rides or races a bicycle, motorcycle, or similar vehicle.
 
2006-06-15 04:32:14 AM  
i didn't know, never heard it used as such, biker is used interchangeably all the time, but nere cyclist. DAmn you! [*n] now I feel less special.
 
2006-06-15 04:41:31 AM  
cops in sydney refer to these high way dividers as teh Cheese Gratter, cause thats what u look like when u come off a bike at high speed and hit one
 
2006-06-15 05:30:20 AM  
It's not the fall that hurts it's what hit you that caused the fall or what you slide into. Look at the level of fatalities in GP motorcycle racing and motocross, almost nil.

That said, riding around people driving cars is dangerous business. I'm with the people that think keeping oncoming cars from being wrong way drivers is more important than what you slide into.

Mechanic I used to work with has never owned a car in his life, is 45 years old, and has never dropped a bike on the road. Rides a 90 mile round trip every day. Has done so since 1983.

The only riders that cause many accidents are the type that rarely live past about 24 anyway. So the asshole riders are somewhat self-limiting.

/me prefers track bikes to road bikes because of cagers and deer
//me also contradicts self because lately he wants an aprilia futura badly
 
2006-06-15 05:48:13 AM  
Jup, 'egg slicers' we call them here.

www.dvhn.nl
 
2006-06-15 05:49:51 AM  
Physics wins again in the press... or not. The cables are several cables that are spaced thiner than the ridges on the steel barricades. A human against the barricade that doesn't give at all will cause more damage than a human against at least two of the cables. The impact are is nearly the same as except you have a much better chance of hitting more than two cables.
So far Australia has had one accident that resulted in a dead motorcyclist but a normal barrier would have resulted in the same situation and no one knows how many motorcyclist haven't been killed by cars crossing the median. These have helped reduce the accidents on some Aussie highways but the fatality rate for Aussies highways is still 4 times what it is for US interstates.
 
2006-06-15 05:52:45 AM  
I'd hit it!

/so very ashamed
 
2006-06-15 05:53:30 AM  
Norad
Ergo, steel wire barriers are designed for the majority of traffic. Cars. Which can carry up to several humans more than the minority motorcycle traffic, and result in a whole bunch of casualties as opposed to a single bike wipeout.

So, I deserve to die because I do not belong to your 90% majority ? farkbr>And to all making comparing splitting lanes with queue jumping : my riding between two lanes will not make you arrive later at work. You don't have anything to lost by letting me do it.
Also, I've had 4 "contacts" with cars, since I've started driving an bike (only one of them resulted in damage). ALL OF THEM WERE CAUSE BY CARS READ-ENDING ME, OR EVEN BACKING UP INTO ME, FOR fark'S SAKE !!!! I have never been touched while lane-splitting.

They should be subject to the same restrictions as bicycles and banned from high-speed roads.
That's the stupidest thing I've read today, and I've read the newspaper. Bikes have sufficient power to follow the flow of traffice. Bicycles do not. Apart from the fact that they are not "like you", what is your justification ?

Also, to those advocating violence against bike drivers, basic defensive driving lesson : it's never your place to teach anybody a lesson on the road.
 
2006-06-15 06:04:50 AM  
Cras: Is that a Ural, or BMW?
 
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