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(AP)   John Kerry, who voted for the war before he voted against it (and called Vietnam vets babykillers, then ran on his Vietnam service in 2004), says politicians can't have it both ways   (belleville.com) divider line 89
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2006-06-14 05:00:16 AM
there's already been an anti-Kerry thread greenlit today.
 
2006-06-14 05:13:16 AM
I'm betting ALOT of politicians take it "both ways".
 
2006-06-14 06:43:51 AM
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2006-06-14 06:45:08 AM
Is Kerry running for something again? Jesus, all these idiot headlines.
 
2006-06-14 06:52:22 AM
48,000,000+ people wanted this man to be President. His losing the election is proof that there is a God some sometimes He does save us from our own stupidity.
 
2006-06-14 07:01:11 AM
What the fark with John Kerry these days?

"Bush is an idiot."

"...b b b b b but Kerry!"

/oh yeah, that was the 2004 elections
 
2006-06-14 07:33:13 AM
Wild guess, it's time for the Senate race.

BTW, I've seen his testimony before the Senate and I've done a fairly thorough search of quotes by Kerry.

While he did say alot of hyperbolic crap that made the military look horrible, but he never used the term "Baby-Killers".

What he did say was, "They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

That is disgusting in the extreme. It does show him having it both ways, when he reported for duty.

Just no babykillers in there.
 
2006-06-14 07:35:16 AM
If Kerry had been elected the Administration would not have had to the balls to liberate Iraq from the strangle hold of the world's leading terrorist and evil dictator. It would not be surprising that W is remembered as an Islamist Prophet. God Bless America and Support the Troops!
 
2006-06-14 07:59:12 AM
Are you an idiot, RandomExcess? What year did Iraq happen in?
 
2006-06-14 08:05:27 AM
who voted for the war before he voted against it

You can't even get your own canard right, can you, smitty?

The canard is about voting for the money before he voted against it. Btw, and I'm sure you know this, the change in vote was based on the change in how the money would be garnered.
 
2006-06-14 08:18:03 AM
CineKal: ...and Support the Troops!

I did, I voted against Bush.



Yes, because we know John Kerry had the most support from military personnel!
 
2006-06-14 08:27:33 AM
Are we going to have a flame war about Barry Goldwater next?
 
2006-06-14 08:31:16 AM
swahnhennessy: Are we going to have a flame war about Barry Goldwater next?

I was really hoping we could bash on Geraldine Ferraro for a bit. "She's such a biatch!!"
 
2006-06-14 08:35:19 AM
John Kerry hiding behind the mouth piece firing off lippy comments to Karl Rove (who's 15 minutes are about up) is a waste of air.

Surely there are more important things going on.
world's leading terrorist and evil dictator
Who are we talking about here? Saddam was no terrrrrisst. Everything the news has been spouting on about Iraq, since Aug of 1991 has been wardrum propaganda.
________________________________________________
Condoleeza/ Penthouse/ 2008! Heres to hoping she goes both ways. Cheers!
 
2006-06-14 08:39:59 AM
Is it just me, or does the article automatically try to print itself?
 
2006-06-14 08:49:55 AM
The Billdozer: 48,000,000+ people wanted this man to be President. His losing the election is proof that there is a God some sometimes He does save us from our own stupidity.

And all this time I thought The Billdozer was serious.

Now that I know he is playing it for yuks, his posts are much more enjoyable.
 
2006-06-14 08:50:02 AM
Newsflash!

Attention all Farkers!

Whether it be a Republican Administration or a Democratic Administration, rest assured it will be accompanied by corruption, scandal, and "mistakes".
 
2006-06-14 08:51:55 AM
WTF is up with the swiftboating of Kerry today? Two farkin' greenlights?!?

Ooooooh yeeeaaah, almost forgot.

Rove got exonerated yesterday.
 
2006-06-14 08:53:40 AM
RadicalMiddle: While he did say alot of hyperbolic crap that made the military look horrible, but he never used the term "Baby-Killers".

What he did say was, "They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."


You might also notice that he is reporting what other veterans told him they did.

And in light of My Lai, none of it sounds terribly inconcievable. So your point is, even if you know about something bad happening don't report it if it's the military that is doing the bad thing?
Cause if it is, I don't understand the exeptionalism.
 
2006-06-14 08:53:43 AM
I'm reading this article and it's blowing me away. I don't even discuss politics but I am damn surprised no one's head is on a platter after all that shiat happened.
 
2006-06-14 08:54:49 AM
Yes, but our mistakes taste great and are less filling.
 
2006-06-14 08:55:06 AM
Actually, John Kerry voted to fund the war by rolling back tax cuts. When that version of the bill failed, he voted against the new version that funds the war via borrowing.

In the same respect -

President Bush vowed to veto the bill if a version passed that included recinding the tax cuts. He then signed the bill that funds the war via borrowing.

/Smitty is Karl's Roves biatch.
//As is anyone else who regurgitates this ridiculous talking point.
 
2006-06-14 08:56:33 AM
newmoonpuppyhead: Rove got exonerated yesterday.

Not entirely correct. But that is, of course, how it is being spun.

More like, Rove got a pass as long as he continues to spill the beans on Cheney.
 
2006-06-14 08:59:11 AM
I have said many times that if Kerry owned his Vietnam history, he would have fared better in 2004. Thank you, Mr. Kerry. For having the cajones to serve and also to stand up and become instrumental in ending what we can all agree was a gross waste of life in Vietnam!
 
2006-06-14 08:59:58 AM
BTW, ass-Nazis, I got my daily RNC email this morning, too. Amusing, worthless, piece of crap that is was, I still got it.

Skleenar: Not entirely correct. But that is, of course, how it is being spun.

More like, Rove got a pass as long as he continues to spill the beans on Cheney.


This is Rove back on his game...malign, malign, malign. He's feeling especiially plucky, useless, and sad, apparently.
 
2006-06-14 09:03:12 AM
LiveDemo: I have said many times that if Kerry owned his Vietnam history, he would have fared better in 2004. Thank you, Mr. Kerry. For having the cajones to serve and also to stand up and become instrumental in ending what we can all agree was a gross waste of life in Vietnam!

The reason for this article, and I'm sure the ass-nazis will disagree, is to pre-emptively cut off Kerry and discredit him. It's called "being afraid, being very afraid" of a politician who's not afraid (this time around) to make a stand.
 
2006-06-14 09:05:29 AM
newmoonpuppyhead: It's called "being afraid, being very afraid" of a politician who's not afraid (this time around) to make a stand.

Are you talking Kerry or Gore here?
 
2006-06-14 09:07:03 AM
Submitter likes it both ways
 
2006-06-14 09:07:46 AM
bboy: I was really hoping we could bash on Geraldine Ferraro for a bit. "She's such a biatch!!"

There you go.
 
2006-06-14 09:08:43 AM
Yes, Kerry is actually making hairs on my arm stand up with his recent attitude. A lot more honest. If anyone can bring attention to the need to fix what we have done over there, it would be John Kerry.
 
2006-06-14 09:09:27 AM
Skleenar: Are you talking Kerry or Gore here?

At this stage of the game, the point is to discredit any Dem or Progressive voice. Hence the bringing up of the "flip flop". You should see TF, quite a few links about Kerry and flip flops...quite a few. It's like 2004 all over again today.
 
2006-06-14 09:09:41 AM
RandomExcess: It would not be surprising that W is remembered as an Islamist Prophet.

Do what now?
 
2006-06-14 09:12:10 AM
LiveDemo: Yes, Kerry is actually making hairs on my arm stand up with his recent attitude. A lot more honest. If anyone can bring attention to the need to fix what we have done over there, it would be John Kerry.

Hence the push to discredit him, remind American voters of the falsehoods they painted him with in 2004.
 
2006-06-14 09:15:49 AM
The Billdozer: 48,000,000+ people wanted this man to be President. His losing the election is proof that there is a God some sometimes He does save us from our own stupidity.

If that had one ounce of truth and god was involved Kerry would have been the president.

I don't remember how many votes that were cast weren't counted, but there were millions. 2 elections involving bush and 2 elections where fraud and votes that didn't count in key states. Coincidence, I think not. You think that might have had an effect on the outcome?

If there is a god and this is how he thinks the sign me up for a one way ticket to somewhere else.
 
2006-06-14 09:18:03 AM
newmoonpuppyhead: Hence the push to discredit him, remind American voters of the falsehoods they painted him with in 2004.

img49.imageshack.us

Don't remember what the issue was that promted someone to create this image, but funny how I just knew I would find something like this with GIS. To the flying monkeys and everything.
 
2006-06-14 09:23:17 AM
When Kerry comes out publicly with a plan that will stabalize Iraq, and allow us to withdraw troops he will be worth listening to. Untill then he is just attention whoring.

And I do not see any flip flopping here, he has been beating this drum for a couple of years now. Shouting about getting the troops out, but never offering an idea on how to do that. Just keep playing to your base Johnny boy.
 
2006-06-14 09:26:33 AM
friendinpa: When Kerry comes out publicly with a plan that will stabalize Iraq, and allow us to withdraw troops he will be worth listening to. Untill then he is just attention whoring.

You're on fire today! I can always count on friendinpa to bring teh funnay!
 
2006-06-14 09:45:32 AM
Just a couple of factual points:

1. Kerry testified that SOME of his fellow Vietnam vets committed atrocities during the war, which happens to be true. Hell, the law of averages says that SOME of the 9/11 victims were probably guilty of some crime or another for which they'd never been caught; that doesn't make the attack overall any less tragic or horrific, or their loved ones any less deserving of sympathy. SOME =/= ALL.

2. For the record, the official final tally of the 2004 Presidential Election ended up being:

Bush/Cheney: 62,040,610 (50.73%)
Kerry/Edwards: 59,028,439 (48.27%)

...according to this site.
 
2006-06-14 09:47:08 AM
I'd love to know what the Republican plan for Iraq is. We've been waiting over 3 years now.
 
2006-06-14 09:52:00 AM
BlueDjinn: Bush/Cheney: 62,040,610 (50.73%)
Kerry/Edwards: 59,028,439 (48.27%)



Read the article I posted a link to earlier in the thread. The results should have been much different than that.
 
2006-06-14 09:52:29 AM
Kerry testified that SOME of his fellow Vietnam vets committed atrocities during the war, which happens to be true.


Isn't it more accurate to say:
Kerry testified that SOME of his fellow Vietnam vets testified that they committed atrocities during the war, which happens to be true.
 
2006-06-14 09:54:30 AM
Al Gore and John Kerry were much better Presidential candidates than the one that was elected into office. They had a much better handle on domestic and world politics and were much better prepared to be the Statesman that the leader of the United States needs to be. President Bush only inspires other nations to laugh at his buffoonery or be afraid that he may do something silly like start a war.
 
2006-06-14 09:59:55 AM
bboy
You keep making witty retorts, but you don't address the question. Sounds familiar for some reason.
 
2006-06-14 10:05:25 AM
friendinpa: When Kerry comes out publicly with a plan that will stabalize Iraq, and allow us to withdraw troops he will be worth listening to. Untill then he is just attention whoring.

Why do we have to stabilize Iraq? And I'm assuming you're ignoring all other politicians, including Bush, since they don't have a coherent plan of action either, right?

But... oops! He does have a plan before the Senate right now. Why do you think the RNC's talking points for today include a healthy dose of Kerry-bashing?

Better?
 
2006-06-14 10:08:47 AM
Why do we keep questioning this man's military service? Is that how we treat veterans who want to serve in public office?
 
2006-06-14 10:17:52 AM
Why do we keep questioning this man's military service? Is that how we treat veterans who want to serve in public office?

farkin-A, we do.

Unless, of course...
 
2006-06-14 10:19:23 AM
bboy
Why do we have to stabilize Iraq?
You are kidding right?

And I'm assuming you're ignoring all other politicians, including Bush, since they don't have a coherent plan of action either, right?
Yes I am, because right now we are discussing Kerry, no Bu bu but Bushing allowed.

His plan is to be out in 6 months. It took longer than that to plan to go in. He does not have a reasonable working plan, he has a milk carton from which to shout. Jebus, even Hillary Clinton says his plan is unreasonable!

So no, not better. If you honestly belive that John Kerry has a working plan and is working to accomplish anything besides getting his name in the papers then I feel sorry for you, because you are in worse denial than those who blindly follow Bush.
 
2006-06-14 10:22:42 AM
John Kerry, who voted for the war before he voted against it (and called Vietnam vets babykillers, then ran on his Vietnam service in 2004), says politicians can't have it both ways

Comedy gold
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2006-06-14 10:31:23 AM
stebain: Kerry testified that SOME of his fellow Vietnam vets testified that they committed atrocities during the war, which happens to be true.


What's your point? That they lied? I knew only 2 VVs, one admitted his squad massacred a village after one of the villagers shot him. This stuff was not uncommon.
 
2006-06-14 10:35:19 AM
pshaw: Why do we keep questioning this man's military service?

Because he keeps making it the centerpiece of his campaigns?
 
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