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2006-06-14 11:55:45 AM
Well, I may have missed it in the thread but I think it bears stating.

One more compelling argument for breastfeeding: Breast fed baby poo = mildly stinky. Formula poo = zOMG L3THAL!!ONE!1
 
2006-06-14 11:58:18 AM
/backs out of thread slowly
 
2006-06-14 12:01:13 PM
I heard that if you breastfeed your baby, his poo will not be as smelly.
 
2006-06-14 12:02:19 PM
I bottle-fed my daughter and have not had any problems with her getting sick, being obese, having a low IQ, not being able to bond with others, etc. She is a very athletic 6-year-old, reads lots of books that are beyond her "age level", and is a little social butterfly. I had to bottle feed because I was a single mom with a full time job and finishing a college education.

One thing that these studies don't indicate is the level of parenting that the parents take on when raising their children. I used to do work as a Parenting Skills Training Advisor. A lot of the women there who didn't work still bottle fed their children as babies. They also didn't spend a lot of time bonding with their kid(s) in other ways, used the TV as a baby-sitter, fed them junk when they were old enough to eat, and never made sure that they got any exercise. To put it bluntly, they were just lazy mothers.

There were also a few mothers in the program that did breastfeed, but also chose to be lazy mothers. Their children were just as chubby, ignorant, and sickly as the ones who were bottlefed.
 
2006-06-14 12:03:09 PM
I understand what you mean, biohazard79. However, most of us mothers that are talking about this are speaking from our own experiences, and having dealt with the militant and startlingly pushy pro-breast side, this is the experiences I have had after having two children. Now, I would advocate breastfeeding when at all possible, but in my case (and several others here in this thread, it seems) it wasn't possible. At that point, the lacation advisors had the choice to back off and leave me alone, or be complete Nazis about it, which every one of them took the latter. This is from my experience, you understand. However, they didn't back off and it just got worse. I was upset enough and feeling guilty about not being able to breastfeed, not to mention battling the post partum depression (No, Tom Cruise, you are a complete idiot and until you can have babies yourself, you need to shut the hell up), so the extra guilt and chiding about not trying hard enough from the breast people left me feeling quite bitter. No, I don't need therapy, but unless you are a woman who has given birth to a baby you desperately want to do the right thing for and find out you cannot, it can be very upsetting and depressing. Not only did that happen, but they continued to contact me through home visits and mail and phone to get me to try it again, even though I absolutely could not. I finally had to get nasty with them to stay away from me and let me do what was best for my babies, even though I wanted to breastfeed very badly. They were really making it worse on everyone, so that's where I get my opinion from, to just let everyone be. My children are both in the gifted and talented class at school and are both were advanced a grade last year. They have never had an ear infection, and they are both pretty well adjusted, so all in all, I would have to say that the formula did not hurt them or cause them to be stupid.
 
2006-06-14 12:05:39 PM
I second all this bushwalla. It is extremely risky to not breastfeed. In fact, it is extremely risky to keep breasts covered at any time before, during, or after a pregnancy, near pregnancy, or just thinking thoughts about pregnancy.
 
2006-06-14 12:10:10 PM
Food for thought:

Nipple stimulation releases oxytocin into the brain, a hormone that facilitates bonding. This is the same hormone released during orgasm- in fact, some women experience vaginal contractions while breastfeeding.
 
2006-06-14 12:24:26 PM
lepidoptera
When you put it that way, it makes breast feeding moms sound like pedophiles.

/I keed!
//kinda
 
2006-06-14 12:26:04 PM
Dear Farkers,

Breastfeeding triggers the response that tightens/shrinks the vagina back down to a normal size, post-birth.

/The More You Know.
 
2006-06-14 12:34:35 PM
Plus, breast feeding makes you look cool!
 
2006-06-14 12:43:41 PM
this is actually frogsickle's wife posting, so don't hold anything i say against him if you have a problem with it. i'm nursing our daughter as i type this. just wanted to mention that i went through absolute hell to be able to breastfeed our baby. in short, i saw 3 lactation consultants, i had thrush and bleeding nipples, i had ppd...i made it work, though, because it was important to me. she's now a smart, beautiful, thriving 9 month old, and i'm so happy that i never gave up.

i recognize that some women genuinely don't have a choice and have to bottlefeed. that's what formula was created for. you do what you have to do, and if you have no choice, then you shouldn't feel guilt for it. however, there are many women (such as my sister, for instance), who are totally capable of breastfeeding but just choose not to. she won't do it because she thinks it's "gross."

to those who say it's just a choice: you are responsible for choosing what's best for your baby since the baby is unable to choose for herself. how is it fair to choose something that you know is inferior? if given the choice between the comfort of a mother's breast and a plastic bottle full of formula, what do you think the baby would choose?

and to those who are giving the argument that some babies are bottlefed and super healthy, some are breastfed and are always sick: lots of us didn't ride in car seats when we were little, and we're here to tell the tale. does that mean we shouldn't use car seats now? anecdotal evidence proves nothing.

one last point: to those who are grossed out by toddlers nursing--the majority of children who are allowed to self-wean will do so between 2 and 3 years. some wean earlier, some wean later. after 2 years or so, it usually decreases greatly to maybe once a day or even once a week, as the child is generally nursing more for comfort at this point. nursing is far more than just a means of sustaining an infant, and weaning is usually very emotional for both the child and the mother. please bear that in mind before you go making judgments about how "disgusting" or "creepy" it is.
 
2006-06-14 12:54:17 PM
Breastfeeding is always best. This bears repeating. Breastfeeding is always best. Always.

With that said, not all mothers can breastfeed. I know of a lady that has Crohn's Disease and the medication she takes gets passed through breastmilk. She could stop taking her medication, get a flare up and spend weeks in the hospital or she could formula feed. The decision isn't that hard. Formula can't compare to breastmilk, sure, but it won't kill your children. I was breastfed for maybe about a week before my 17 year old mother decided she wanted to start boozing up again so on the bottle I went. I grew up perfectly healthy and just as smart as other kids. (In fact, I was booted from kindergarten right to first grade.)

It's mostly about personal choice. The breast is good for the mother after delivery as it stops bleeding and makes for good uterine recovery and recent studies show it lowers the risk of some cancers and osteoporosis. But no one died because of formula.

Spend more time loving your babies, not arguing about people's choices for their children.
 
2006-06-14 01:01:17 PM
lepidoptera: Nipple stimulation releases oxytocin into the brain, a hormone that facilitates bonding. This is the same hormone released during orgasm- in fact, some women experience vaginal contractions while breastfeeding.


Thats hot...
 
2006-06-14 01:04:09 PM
Mike_Bolton

Homebirthed both my daughters (well i caught them). Its funny how those of us living natural lives, being good to one another, are labeled as hippies / america haters by religious conservatives. I'm not religious, but Isn't that what Jesus tried to teach them?

Uhhhh, what does this have to do with anything? Since when do "religious conservatives" think that people who have children at home are "America haters"? And since when was this thread about homebirthing?

Looks to me like you wanted to use any excuse you could to toss in some weird jabs at conservatives and/or religious people. How strange.
 
2006-06-14 01:04:42 PM
hillbillypharmacist [TotalFark]

Researchers from the State University of New York's School of Medicine and Biomedical Sciences revealed blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Call it 'unproven' if you want, but I'll trust peer-reviewed journals over your anecdotal experience every time.


Whatever. Unproven Unproven Unproven Unproven Unproven.

Make certain you're raising your children based on "peer-reviewed journals" at all times, mmm k?

Don't let her sleep on her back! Check for another "peer-reviewed journal" in a few months and we experts could change our collective minds.

Don't let her "scoot" across the floor because it'll create back problems later in life! Check for another "peer-reviewed journal" in a few months and we experts could change our collective minds.

Your child clearly has ADHD. Dope her up NOW before it's too late! Check for another "peer-reviewed journal" in a few months and we experts could change our collective minds.
 
2006-06-14 01:11:36 PM
Breastfeeding is always best. Always

BS, you're own example proves that. Just like any medical decision, it is a patient by patient and child by child decision.
 
2006-06-14 01:16:51 PM
crawlspace

People have been breastfeeding their children since there has been humans. You could go on and on about this medical journal saying this and that (Doctors are a fickle bunch, aren't they?) about it but you'll never hear them say it's unsafe. That's the difference between ADHD meds, back sleeping and "scooting" (wtf).

The studies about breastfeeding making kids "smarter" or less likely to get inner ear infections is irrelevant. Just because someone chooses to breastfeed does not mean they're raising their children on journal studies.
 
2006-06-14 01:19:21 PM
crawlspace: Whatever. Unproven Unproven Unproven Unproven Unproven.

Oh, I see. You eschew western medicine and statistics.

That's okay.
I've got some leeches in stock to treat your imbalanced humours.
 
2006-06-14 01:19:26 PM
The Fett

If you read my post, you would have gotten that jist but whatever. My point was that breastmilk itself is supperior to formula.
 
2006-06-14 01:22:08 PM
Astra: blamejoe: if you're not prepared to raise you kids the right way, don't have them.

Define "right way."


OK. Breastfeeding.

Regardless of whether the mother can or cannot actually breastfeed, it is undeniably the best thing for the child and is, therefore, the "right way" to go. If someone can breastfeed and chooses not to, then they are not doing the right thing for their child.
 
2006-06-14 01:24:33 PM
If you read my post, you would have gotten that jist but whatever. My point was that breastmilk itself is supperior to formula.

It has advantages over formula. Superiority is determined by what is best for the individuals.
 
2006-06-14 01:26:37 PM
Regardless of whether the mother can or cannot actually breastfeed, it is undeniably the best thing for the child and is, therefore, the "right way" to go. If someone can breastfeed and chooses not to, then they are not doing the right thing for their child.

Nazi

I'm glad you have all the answers on how to best raise children.
 
2006-06-14 01:30:44 PM
The Fett

Well, like the woman I mentioned in my post. It would irresponsible to go ahead and breastfeed and knowingly pass that medication to her newborn. So, yes, in that sense formula would be "superior". But that's the exception, not the rule.
 
2006-06-14 01:32:15 PM
Bobolina: no one died because of formula.

This is definitely debatable. There is an ongoing boycott against Nestle because of the allegation that (among other things), their marketing of formula in third world countries is responsible for an alarming rise in infant deaths. Mothers are given free formula in the hospital, and then when they get home, they are no longer lactating and can't afford formula. This leads to formula being dangerously watered down, or babies being fed inadequate substitutes, resulting in malnutrition. Another problem they face is that the water used to prepare the formula is often contaminated, which can lead to illness and death.
 
2006-06-14 01:32:20 PM
My wife didn't breast feed and my child now resembles the National Enquirer's "Bat-Boy" with acne.
 
2006-06-14 01:34:10 PM
The Fett: It has advantages over formula. Superiority is determined by what is best for the individuals.

Not smoking has its advantages over smoking. Superiority is determined by what is best for the individuals.

It's the same argument.

Breastfeeding is objectively measurable as better for the health children, period. And it doesn't matter if your bottle-fed children are healthy- I know people who have smoked for years and suffered no ill effects.

The only reason not to breastfeed is because you cannot.

You keep throwing this word 'Nazi' around. I don't think you understand what they were really about. Nazis didn't make Jews feel guilty about how they raised their children, they killed them.
 
2006-06-14 01:36:53 PM
The problem is the self-righteous attitude of the lactate-crusaders. It's like there all Jerry Falwell and anyone who doesn't breastfeed their kid (and they have no medical reason not to) is going straight to the lowest level of hell.

Generations have been raised on both, both have advantages and disadvantages (there's more than just nutrition involved). I've seen women who breast fed their kids, and then take them to McDonalds 3 times a week when there 6 and 7 years old. Like spanking vs non-spanking I don't see either as right or wrong, it's what friggin works and I have no place to tell you otherwise.
 
2006-06-14 01:38:14 PM
danlpoon: My wife didn't breast feed and my child now resembles the National Enquirer's "Bat-Boy" with acne.

That made me laugh out loud. Got to love that bat-boy.
 
2006-06-14 01:38:42 PM
I'll wager a guess (and the odds are 50/50) that NowWatchThisDrive is male : ) Therefore, has no right to foist his opinion on mothers. Period. Sorry, guys, this is not up for discussion and we mothers don't give a fark about what you want or think is best for you. We have to do what is best for both baby and mommy. There are plenty of good examples on both sides. I agree that we need to worry more about loving our babies and teaching them to be productive members of society instead of worrying about formula vs. breast.
 
2006-06-14 01:39:19 PM
frogsickle

Funny you should mention that. Last week at my OB appointment, they were handing out diaper bags with Enfamil samples to all the pregnant women. On top of that, there's posters everywhere telling women that their formula is just like breastmilk. (An obvious untruth.) What especially worries me is that my particular clinic deals with a lot of low income Medicaid insured women, who have dismal breastfeeding rates as it is.

I haven't heard anything about Nestle and their marketing in third world countries. I'm definately going to Google it now.

/disappointed that she didn't get a goodie bag
//was going to dump the contents and keep the diaper bag
 
2006-06-14 01:41:58 PM
deevo: Because passing all of the hormones in the meat you eat and all of the pesticides on your produce to an infant is the safest route.

Don't eat US beef.

Wash your veggies.
 
2006-06-14 01:44:43 PM
hillbillypharmacist: Nazis didn't make Jews feel guilty about how they raised their children, they killed them.

They had standards. Other standards that did not meet their standards were eliminated. With the help of peer-reviewed journals, no doubt.
 
2006-06-14 01:51:16 PM
frogsickle
The lethal results are not caused by formula. They are caused by marketing it in a third world country. The formula didn't kill anyone, but the lack of it did.

Either way, it is sad that a company would even attempt to market baby formula in a third world country. How depraved...
 
2006-06-14 01:51:24 PM
Don't eat US beef.

I read that as:

Don't eat us, Beef!
 
2006-06-14 01:52:35 PM
Bobolina

They handed out tons of samples at my OB's office, too, even after I told them I didn't want them and would be breastfeeding. The nurse told me "Oh, you'll definitely want to have it there just in case." Gee, way to be encouraging. Ugh.

As for that aggressive marketing, did you know that the WHO actually implemented an international code of formula marketing? In many developed countries (in fact, I think the US is possibly the only one that didn't adopt the code, but I can't remember), it is illegal to advertise infant formula. To get around it, these insidious companies developed toddler formula to be used AFTER the baby weans (which, incidentally, they typically suggest at about 3 or 4 months, or something ridiculous like that). Hence, they are conforming to the code because they aren't technically marketing to infants, but they're still able to get their brand name out there and make all the same claims. Disgusting!!
 
2006-06-14 01:55:13 PM
I have a couple comments.

1) I breastfed until my son was 6 months old. I stopped because pumping at work was difficult to schedule and his 2 bottom teeth hurt as they grazed the bottom of my nipples.
2) I never had cracked nipples or bleeding or any of those problems.
3) My hospital provided a consultant, which was helpful, but I had read the books and had it figured out before hand.
4) The one we all seem to be overlooking.
Hellooooo, we're mammals. What do you think they're for, really? I understand that people don't for many personal reasons, but but c'mon people. How do you think the human species survived this long? It wasn't cos the caveman had formula. Mothers fed their young, thats what our job was. I'm a pretty liberal person, but keeeeee-rist people, thats why they're there. A few hundred million years of evolution can't be wrong. Mothers are meant to feed their babies. Look at it this way, 200 years ago if you couldn't figure out how to feed your baby, it would probably die or grow up malnourished. I'm glad the pharmaceutical/food industry has figured out how to subvert nature, but it really is an essential part of our mammalness.
 
2006-06-14 01:55:33 PM
Supercheeks

It's great that bottlefeeding worked out well for you, but it's rather irresponsible to try to use anecdotal evidence to disprove facts. Incidentally, I have several friends and acquaintances who were able to breastfeed despite working and/or going to school. Some of them pumped milk for their babies, others did part formula, part breastmilk. It isn't impossible, and it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Some breastmilk is better than none.
 
2006-06-14 01:58:21 PM
frogsickle

I've gotten a lot of "buy and accept formula just in case", too.

I have read not to use breast pumps manufactured by formula companies because they're ineffective at best so the person using it will get frustrated and switch to formula. Other than that, I haven't heard a whole lot about formula company tactics. I knew that formula marketing techniques were seedy at best but I had no idea how criminal they can get. I'm really quite appalled now. It'll be a cold day in hell before I buy a Nestle product now.
 
2006-06-14 02:04:52 PM
Not one photo of Jim Carrey from Me, Myself,and Irene gnoshing on the nursing mom's ample bosom? For shame, fellow Farkers, for shame...
/tisk tisk sound
 
2006-06-14 02:12:10 PM
Seems like a lot of women wouldn't be able to just because a lot of women have really small breasts. I;m sure they're fine at first but onc ethe kid gets to be 5 or 6 I'm sure there wouldn't be enough.
 
2006-06-14 02:16:41 PM
Ok. I think I have read enough posts...

Please use the correct terminology...FORMULA FED v. BOTTLE FED as these descriptors are not the same.

I breast fed my baby for 2 months and then bottle fed her expressed breast milk for 4 months (coinciding with my return to work). She began recieving formula at 6 months due to reduced lactation. Supply and demand is a good rule of thumb, but it is not always the case. I could not keep up with her demand.

Just a few other comments.
1. Breast pumps are very efficient, but you have to know how to use them properly. This is especially important for working mothers.
2. Dont' believe everything you read. This comment is directed toward expectant first time mothers. You can quote "What to expect when you are expecting" all day long. Some of it is pretty informative and you will find helpful, but some things dont go by the book. So don't get your panties in a wad because it is different than what is printed. Also, heads up....baby #2 will most likely be different than #1, so just because you have had a baby, you are not an expert (e.g. I am not an expert, but I am not claiming to be one either).
 
2006-06-14 02:17:44 PM
So you should not say the truth so that someone doesn't get their feelings hurt?

More likely to have fat assed baby with formula you are.
 
2006-06-14 02:20:29 PM
danlpoon
My wife didn't breast feed and my child now resembles the National Enquirer's "Bat-Boy" with acne.

While sad, I don't think you can blame the lack of breast feeding on this. It has been scientifically proven, time and again, that ugly babies come from ugly daddies. Really. Its just like chocolate mile comes from chocolate cows.
 
2006-06-14 02:22:05 PM
mile = milk

/Formula screwed with my spelling. I bet Stephen Hawking was breastfed.
 
2006-06-14 02:25:11 PM
Thanks, government!
 
2006-06-14 02:25:27 PM
barbariansheep: They had standards. Other standards that did not meet their standards were eliminated. With the help of peer-reviewed journals, no doubt.

Let me remind you, before you dig your silly hole even deeper: the DHS advising that formula feeding is risky is hardly 'eliminating' formula feeding, much less killing those that do it.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything.
 
2006-06-14 02:29:01 PM
ugly babies come from ugly daddies. Really. Its just like chocolate mile comes from chocolate cows.

When I saw "chocolate mile" I was reminded of something my Dad once said about Shania Twain's caboose.
 
2006-06-14 02:31:06 PM
No one is forcing anyone to do anything.

So when Jerry Fallwell comes and talks to you about being prepared for the rapture, remember he's not forcing you.
 
2006-06-14 02:32:31 PM
danlpoon When I saw "chocolate mile" I was reminded of something my Dad once said about Shania Twain's caboose.

If I had been breastfed my punchlines would be hilarious, I'd be able to give women an orgasm from 20 feet away, write dissertations on classical music with my left hand while farking with my right, and still have the uncanny ability to pick the right wine every time.

The only thing holding me back is the bottle.
 
2006-06-14 02:34:28 PM
frogsickles wife
It's great that bottlefeeding worked out well for you, but it's rather irresponsible to try to use anecdotal evidence to disprove facts.
I wasn't trying to disprove facts. I was pointing out the fact that a lack of formula caused deaths, not the formula (since there's a difference). Either way, it was a bad idea with inevitable results.

Incidentally, I have several friends and acquaintances who were able to breastfeed despite working and/or going to school. Some of them pumped milk for their babies, others did part formula, part breastmilk.
Good for them. I could barely afford bottles, let alone a breast pump; by the time I found out that there was a "program" that would have provided me with one, it was too late.

It isn't impossible, and it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Some breastmilk is better than none.
That's great advice, but I'm not going to try breastfeeding my 6-year-old now.

My OB didn't hand out samples of formula, and I was practically brow-beaten for not breast-feeding. Like you said, I did what I had to do. Today, I'm better because of the sacrifice and, ultimately, so is my kid since I'm able to pay for private schooling now. Her college education is taken care of, too. We've come a long way, baby...
 
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