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2006-06-06 12:28:57 PM
FleaRHCP - When your family get rounded up and butchered by extremists, we'll remember to watch from across the street and not do anything.
 
2006-06-06 12:30:22 PM
Occam


It's pretty much an indisputable historical fact that the D-Day invasion succeeded in large part because the Soviets tied up so much of Hitler's resources.


Actually that is disputable. The Wehrmacht had plenty of resources in region to crush the D-Day invasion (Germany was hardly played out at this point). However, they were fooled by Allied Intelligence and came to believe that the invasion would strike towards Calais. Thus, the bulk of Germany's best troops along with the majority of its armor were well out of position at the time of the landings.

On top of that, French Resistance fighters spent a lot of time cutting communications lines, demolishing railways, and generally wrecking havoc...making it that much harder for the German's to reposition.
 
2006-06-06 12:30:34 PM
SockMonkeyHolocaust: Considering the world at large didn't know about the camps until after the war, that would make your example a poor one.

The world knew about the camps before the War even started. The world ust didn't care.
 
2006-06-06 12:32:21 PM
Tatsuma: To be fair, liberation of the jews was never a concern for America or the rest of the allies. It's sad, it's a shame, but it's reality.

Dude ... you are really a one trick pony huh? Not everything is about the Jews. I for one am beginning to find you farking tiresome.
 
2006-06-06 12:32:52 PM
wmoonfox:
The Soviets brought the horror of Stalingrad on themselves by signing a non-aggression pact with Hitler and expecting the bastiche to honor it.


Are you implying that the non-aggression pact somehow caused the horror of Stalingrad? That if the Soviets hadn't entered into the pact, they wouldn't have been invaded? Or are you merely saying that they had it coming because they allied themselves with Germany?

Not defending the Soviets or the non-aggression pact, but Hitler had expansion to the east in mind all along. He spoke of it way back in the early 20's with Mein Kampf. Whether a pact existed or not wouldn't have changed a thing about Stalingrad other than the timing.
 
2006-06-06 12:32:58 PM
Tatsuma: The world knew about the camps before the War even started. The world ust didn't care.


It wasn't vast public knowledge, but the Allies certainly knew.
 
2006-06-06 12:34:04 PM
HAL_lives

Thanks for the story! We must never forget that time and the stories of those who were there is one of the best ways to keep their memory alive.

As for the trolls, the Allies fought for many freedoms including that of speech. They also owe their thanks even though they won't say it. Since this is Fark, no matter how noble the topic, people have to hate and have to vent it. Or they just need to do something to justify their existence, however pathetic.
 
2006-06-06 12:34:15 PM
Crunch61: No, we didn't. Bombing raids had already mortally crippled Germany's production capabilities by D-Day.

Not much point in tossing a tit-for-tat back and forth since both our minds are made up, but the D-Day landings were far from a superfluous military exercise.

If they did not work, we may (would?) have lost. It was a very near thing.
 
2006-06-06 12:35:20 PM
savonola: Dude ... you are really a one trick pony huh? Not everything is about the Jews. I for one am beginning to find you farking tiresome.

How the fark am I a one-trick pony? I talked about zombies rising in a thread about 06/06/06. I talked about writing books in a thread about an English Major. I'm talking about jews in a WW2 thread.

Sorry for keeping on the subject.

/Hitman = 10,000 bucks
//TF = 5 Bucks a month
///Ignorelist = priceless
////what are you waiting for?
 
2006-06-06 12:35:43 PM
savonola: Democracy won that war. Democracy and its freedoms leads to greater innovation and greater production than any totalitarian state can ever muster.

If that's the case, then why did Democracies have to temporarily become dictatorships during wartime?

How much freedom was there in the War Measures Act? In rationing steel and oil? In conscription? In the draft? In Japanese internment? Where are your freedoms then?

After the war, Churchill proposed naming it "the unnecessary war", a reference to the sheer inertia of the "Democracies" or whatever you want to call them, who waited until Germany and Japan had taken over half the world before finally doing something, ineptly.
 
2006-06-06 12:37:56 PM
NewHere, there are a couple of points I'd like to make.

-The average German Soldier was not a Nazi party member, and was every bit as brave, heroic and patriotic as any Allied soldier.

-However, the objectives of the Wehrmacht were such that they could not be allowed to succeed, for the sake of the rest of the world.

-You should be proud of your Grandfather for his service. However, you should also be mindful that the German government was a "Foreign Invader" first, and that the "Russian Rapists" were no worse in their conduct than the German Army as it advanced accross Eastern Europe and Russia. That doesn't excuse atrocities by ANYONE, but if you think the Russians invented such things, you are being rather myopic.

-As for Dresden, well, as a citizen of the Country that took a leading role in that horriffic event, I can certainly symapthize. The firebombing of Dresden was a dark chapter in the minds of many Allied airmen. It's not surprising that your Great-Grandparents' apartment block was hit. Back then, you didn't target specific buildings. The bombs were just not accurate enough. You targeted general industrial areas. Unfortunately, Dresden is an example of the use of bombing for the sole purpose of demoralizing the enemy's population. Like the blitz, it served no real tactical value, and stands out as another example of the horror of war.

-Finally, there were many heroes in the German army. They accomplished some incredible feats of arms, and defended their homeland with a shocking amouont of courage. That said, the world is a far better place because they were ultimately unsuccessful.

Be proud of your family's contributions and bravery....but be glad Germany lost the war.
 
2006-06-06 12:38:50 PM
savonola

Yeah well the Americans, with some Commonwealth assistance, were facing about 90% of the Imperial Japanese forces at the same time as well as supplying our allies, including the Soviets, with war materiel. Let's not forget this part of the ledger sheet.


Now that was all us. Like I said, I don't want to degrade the participation of the US in World War II. Some really amazing things were done by the United States. The Strategic Bombing campaign, as horrific as it was, decimated German resources. Operation Overlord, despite what movies say, was a resounding success (except for the Brits, who wound up getting a bit stuck near the coast).

I'm just saying that the headline is rather inaccurate: The Soviets began the Nazi Beatdown.

Also to the credit of the US and Great Britain: We were a hell of a lot nicer to the German POWs we captured, giving (with some exceptions, I'm sure) full quarter. The Soviets were eager to get revenge for what the Germans had done to them.

Although it was sheer luck that we slapped the Japanese at Midway, or an act of God, that we found their carriers when they had two sets of munitions on their decks. One well-placed bomb on each... no more carrier. At least no more top half of a carrier.
 
2006-06-06 12:38:50 PM
Flea


"Yes, war is stupid. But in this case it was necessary. Tell me what you would have done, Flea...oh, yeah, right. You would have let the Axis keep killing innocent people. Because fighting to stop them would have been murder."

Please tell me you don't really believe this is the reason America got involved...



Well, according to the scholarship, writings, and speaches by FDR and members of Congress at the time, the reason the United States entered the war (or rather the reason why we prepared to enter the war) was because the Nazis seemed to be an inevitable threat. After the Spanish Civil War FDR felt that he blundered in not supporting the Republicans, and after Italy's invasion of Ethiopia, he began to come to the conclusion that Fascism would continue to spread unless stopped. By 1940 he had no doubt that eventually we would have to fight them or else they would fight us once they had finished off their current opposition. Hence, it made much more sense to begin supporting the UK and the USSR while they were still able to fight.

The fact that Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and gave FDR the cause he needed (once the Nazis declared war on us and launched a hideous U-Boat campaign in US waters) was, if anything, happy chance.
 
2006-06-06 12:38:52 PM
Cordwainer Deathbird: Fcuk you, you sniveling little turd.


I've never agreed more with a post on this message board.
 
2006-06-06 12:39:24 PM
wmoonfox, I have a quick history lesson for you.

The USSR signed that non aggression pact after the UK and France:
1. allowed Germany to re militarize Germany, in violation of the Versailles Treaty
2. allowed Germany to occupy the Rhineland, in violation of the Versailles treaty
3. Did nothing while the fascist powers intervened in Spain's civil war (the USSR came in on the side of the Spanish government- though they were admittedly poor allies. George Orwell wrote the book Homage to Catalonia, which details his experiences during that whole mess)
4. allowed Germany to annex Austria, in violation of the Versailles treaty
5. gave the Sudetenland region of Czechoslovakia to Germany at the Munich conference, which the USSR and the Czechs were not represented in
6. Did nothing when Germany incorporated all of the modern day Czech republic into the Reich and established a Slovak puppet state (interesting note, Poland took some of Czechoslovakia as well at this time).
7. Did nothing when the Germans occupied Memel, Lithuania

Now, Hitler was very adamant in his book Mein Kampf that Germany needed to seize Russian territory as "living space" for her people. His views on Russia was well known. The USSR had attempted to work out all manner of agreements with the UK and France for containing Hitler prior to the pact, but France and Britain's appeasement of Hitler when it came to issues on their door step (the Rhineland and Spain, for example) made it seem very dubious that they would assist the USSR if Germany attacked it.

In 1939 there were attempts by the USSR to work out agreements with France and the UK to protect Poland from Germany. But the Poles were extremely hesitant to allow Russian soldiers on their soil even in the event of a Nazi invasion (the Russians and Poles had a war in the 1920s). They could not work out terms for mutual assistance.

So, if you were in Stalin's position, would you cut a deal with Hitler? The British and French could offer you nothing, while Germany offered new borders in line with the Curzon line (a failed British attempt from the twenties to work out a suitable Polish-Soviet border on the basis of nationality). Germany could also offer spheres of influence in formerly Russian empire territories in the Baltic (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Finland). Most importantly, it would give Russia time and space to prepare defenses. Whether they made good use of that time and space, is another story.

Seizing those lands and signing that pact may not have been the morale choice, but it seemed to be the best option for the USSR in the face of western appeasement of Hitler. The USSR certainly did a lot of horrible things to the intelligentsia and "bourgeoisie nationalists" of the regions it seized. I don't like what the Russians did to the areas that fell under their sphere of influence. However, it is kind of ridiculous to get all self righteous about Stalin's pact with Hitler when the allies had already been making deals with Hitler at other people's expense.

So, if the Russian people "deserved" Stalingrad be fair and admit that the British and French people "deserved" the French occupation, the blitz, the rocket attacks, starvation, fuel shortages, and the loss of their empires.

Regardless, I have a lot of respect for the soldiers involved in D-Day. I hope the world never goes through that sort of war again, but I'm not so optimistic.
 
2006-06-06 12:39:28 PM
Don't forget Scotty:
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James Doohan took six bullets on Juno Beach (note missing finger on left hand).
 
2006-06-06 12:39:34 PM
maudibjr: It wasn't vast public knowledge, but the Allies certainly knew.

Actually, there had been articles ever since the late 1930s about it in the American and Global press... I remember a 1938 article in the Times.

I'm still searching for that webpage, but there's this:

Evian Conference

Evian Conference

The Evian Conference was convened at initiative of the US President Franklin D. Roosevelt in July, 1938 to discuss the problem of Jewish refugees. For nine days, from July 6 to July 15, delegates from thirty-two countries met at evian-les-Bains, France. However, not much was accomplished, since most western countries were reluctant to accept Jewish refugees. The conference did not pass a resolution condemning German treatment of the Jews.


Inaction of the Red Cross

The International Red Cross did relatively little to save Jews during the Holocaust and discounted reports of the organized Nazi genocide, such as of the murder of Polish Jewish prisoners that took place at Lublin that the Red Cross discounted. At the time, the Red Cross justified its inaction by suggesting that aiding Jewish prisoners would harm its ability to help other Allied POWs. In addition, the Red Cross claimed that if it would take a major stance to improve the situation of those European Jews, the neutrality of Switzerland, where the International Red Cross was based, would be jeopardized. Today, the Red Cross acknowledges its passivity during the Holocaust, and has apologized for this
 
2006-06-06 12:39:39 PM
dougfm: Good job. Now if you'd just shown up in 1939 when everybody else did....

The U.S. was supporting the allies with money and supplies long before June 1944. Before December 1941 even.
 
2006-06-06 12:40:10 PM
Ishkur: If that's the case, then why did Democracies have to temporarily become dictatorships during wartime?


They didn't become dictatorships. We held elections during the war. We held elections even in the midst of a CIVIL war. War does require some centralization of civil authority but that doesn't equate to dictatorship.
 
2006-06-06 12:40:11 PM
Tatsuma: I'm talking about jews in a WW2 thread.


Dude, don't worry. I find you interesting. Jews in a WWII thread, is of course, central to the debate.

/I also was intreged by the discussion the other day about the Jews in NY and the Christ like guy, i can't remeber his name, hte were in National Geographic tho.
 
2006-06-06 12:41:04 PM
SockMonkeyHolocaust

True enough, not the best example for initial involvement. As Tatsuma stated, there was knowledge of the oppression of European Jews, and to a lesser extent the existence of "work" camps.

It may not be the reason we went, but it's the best I can think of for why we bled.
 
2006-06-06 12:41:53 PM
Thanks Grampy.
RIP
 
2006-06-06 12:43:22 PM
SockMonkeyHolocaust: Considering the world at large didn't know about the camps until after the war, that would make your example a poor one.

Not true. Sorry.
 
2006-06-06 12:43:31 PM
SockMonkeyHolocaust: What a terrible example for you to be all obnoxious about.

Are you trying to say that America got into the war because of Germany's anti-semitism?



Actually, that is one parameter prevented the US for getting into the war for a while. One concern was that any move breaking isolationism would be viewed as "Americans fighting for European Jews". This is probably also he reason why the Allies never bombed the death camps, or the railroads leading to the camps.
 
2006-06-06 12:44:00 PM
iollow: The U.S. was supporting the allies with money and supplies long before June 1944. Before December 1941 even.

Good point my friend. I wonder just how well the British and Soviets, as courageous as they were, would have fared without the war materiel we supplied.
 
2006-06-06 12:44:05 PM
Tatsuma: The world knew about the camps before the War even started. The world ust didn't care.

That's a lie. The world did not know. The upper levels of the Allies and military brass knew, but didn't disclose it.

They knew about the camps, but didn't consider them a priority, neither tactical nor political. Destroying them would be a waste of ammo. Disclosing them would be a waste of propaganda. Keep in mind that during the war, there were still American universities with eugenics programs, and social darwinism and the idea of a superior race was still accepted canon in many intellectual circles. After all, segregation in the American south still existed--human rights would not be a political issue for another 20 years or so.

But no: The general public of the world DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE CAMPS until after the war. The Nuremburg trials were the first time anyone outside of the upper echelons of the military and political leadership of the Allies had seen those graphic images.
 
2006-06-06 12:44:06 PM
fleaRHCP
You uninformed sheep can finish sorting this one out on your own...I've got more important things to do

kids say the darndest things
 
2006-06-06 12:44:45 PM
FleaRHCP: Forgive me for trying to remind everyone that war is stupid, murder is murder, and you shouldn't believe everything you see on a movie screen or read in a book...

Thanks now STFU!
 
2006-06-06 12:44:50 PM
LincolnLogolas: I'm just saying that the headline is rather inaccurate: The Soviets began the Nazi Beatdown.

Don't you mean endured the beginning of the Nazi beatdown? ;)
 
2006-06-06 12:45:15 PM
Highroller48: Be proud of your family's contributions and bravery....but be glad Germany lost the war.

-You should be proud of your Grandfather for his service.

-Finally, there were many heroes in the German army. They accomplished some incredible feats of arms, and defended their homeland with a shocking amouont of courage



Dude. The guy's grandfather fought for the nazis.

Read this book: Hitler's Willing Executioners : Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust

While the current germans are not to blame, every single man who fought for the nazi that didn't do it at gunpoint (and even there, it's up to debate) is as guilty as hitler.

In fact, even more. Hitler alone = a loony. Hitler with followers = 6M dead jews, 11M dead in concentration camps, WW2.

The only german heroes were the underground and those who fought against the Hitlerian regime. THAT's the heroes.

Not the passive farks who went into the army.
 
2006-06-06 12:45:46 PM
Cdn_Nrrd
It was a very near thing.

Oh, you're talking D-Day specific and I'm talking about the overall war.

As far as D-Day is concerned, yes I agree with you that, with a few tactical changes, D-Day's outcome could have been much different. This would not have changed the war's ultimate outcome, just prolonged it.
 
2006-06-06 12:46:59 PM
Tatsuma


The world knew about the camps before the War even started. The world ust didn't care.


When has the world cared about such things? Not much happened regarding the plight of the Boers whose women and children were thrown into concentration camps (the first instance of such) where a huge percentage died from disease and starvation. Oh sure people condemned the Belgian treatment of the Congo but no one did anything to really stop the death there. There was little to no outcry about the slaughter of Armenians following the First World War as well. We won't even go into how little people cared about the treatment of the natives on the Great Plains in the U.S. and how they were herded into desolate reservations... only later to have their children taken from them to be raised as European-Americans.
 
2006-06-06 12:47:14 PM
Brave men and women have kept this country great

I am not at all surprised to see those who just can't resist the urge to find a downside. Our diversity is indeed our greatest
strength.
 
2006-06-06 12:47:18 PM
2006-06-06 12:10:10 PM NewHere

God bless my German grandfather for defending his homeland from foreign invaders and Russian rapists. My great-grandparents died in Dresden on February 14, 1945, after Allied "heroes" firebombed their apartment bloc which was nowhere near any military targets.

#######

On the behalf of my deceased grandfather, a bomber pilot in the RCAF who participated in the firebombing of Dresden, among other missions...

Your welcome.

END COMMUNICATION
 
2006-06-06 12:47:32 PM
LincolnLogolas

Also to the credit of the US and Great Britain: We were a hell of a lot nicer to the German POWs we captured, giving (with some exceptions, I'm sure) full quarter. The Soviets were eager to get revenge for what the Germans had done to them.

One notable exception would be Rommel, who was, (as far as these things go) a gent to those he was fighting and those who ended up being POWs under him.
 
2006-06-06 12:47:32 PM
shipofthesun: /I also was intreged by the discussion the other day about the Jews in NY and the Christ like guy, i can't remeber his name, hte were in National Geographic tho.

SupplySideJesus: It may not be the reason we went, but it's the best I can think of for why we bled.

Oh, definitely! I'm not spitting on the Allies, they did a terrific job, but I'm just saying that the camps weren't at the forefront, but it's always easier to judge with 60 years of hindsight

Ishkur: The general public of the world DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE CAMPS until after the war. The Nuremburg trials were the first time anyone outside of the upper echelons of the military and political leadership of the Allies had seen those graphic images.

They did not know of the extent of the Holocaust, no, but they knew that the jews were being sent to concentration camps since the late 30s. I'll find articles to back me up
 
2006-06-06 12:47:49 PM
Okay, what's going on in this thread? Someone catch me up, quick!
 
2006-06-06 12:48:52 PM
Thanks to all those that fought! I shudder to think about what those that were part of the D-Day invation went through.

My Grampa was a marine in the South Pacific after Pearl Harbor... got his kneecap blown off and spent 2 weeks in a Japanese POW camp. Survived to come back and make my dad, and is an example of a wonderfully active senior citizen at 87. He drives at 50% of the speed limit at all times though...
 
2006-06-06 12:49:04 PM
Thanks Pop! RIP
 
2006-06-06 12:51:03 PM
Tatsuma


In fact, even more. Hitler alone = a loony. Hitler with followers = 6M dead jews, 11M dead in concentration camps, WW2.

The only german heroes were the underground and those who fought against the Hitlerian regime. THAT's the heroes.

Not the passive farks who went into the army.



You are vastly underestimating the power of fear, the extent of police surveillance, the effect of having your children turned into informants, the penetration of traditional social/economic/religious networks (which would have been utilized to form a resistance), and the subsequent isolation of the German citizen. The annhiliation of the German communists, which were the best organized communist party, served as an abject example (along with the death of the Brown Shirts) of what happens to those who cross the regime...and even more so...that no organization is strong enough to resist...or even avoid being penetrated.
 
2006-06-06 12:51:10 PM
NewHere: God bless my German grandfather for defending his homeland from foreign invaders and Russian rapists. My great-grandparents died in Dresden on February 14, 1945, after Allied "heroes" firebombed their apartment bloc which was nowhere near any military targets.


Allegedly the German air controllers at Frankfurt Airport are renowned as a short-tempered lot. They, it is alleged, not only expect one to know one's gate parking location, but how to get there without any assistance from them. So it was with some amusement that we (a Pan Am 747) listened to the following exchange between Frankfurt ground control and a British Airways 747, call sign Speedbird 206.

Speedbird 206: "Frankfurt, Speedbird 206 clear of active runway."

Ground: "Speedbird 206. Taxi to gate Alpha One-Seven."

The BA 747 pulled onto the main taxiway and slowed to a stop.

Ground: "Speedbird, do you not know where you are going?"

Speedbird 206: "Stand by, Ground, I'm looking up our gate location now."

Ground (with quite arrogant impatience): "Speedbird 206, have you not been to Frankfurt before?"

Speedbird 206 (cooly): "Yes, twice in 1944, but it was dark,...... and I didn't land."
 
2006-06-06 12:51:19 PM
War sucks, but Nazis suck way more.

Respect to the heroes of D-Day.
 
2006-06-06 12:51:38 PM
GiantRobot: One notable exception would be Rommel, who was, (as far as these things go) a gent to those he was fighting and those who ended up being POWs under him.


I'm reminded of the General I saw the other day on CNN talking about the U.S. massacres in Iraq complaning about how the enemy didn't follow the "rule of war", surely a 19th century concept.
 
2006-06-06 12:51:46 PM
wraithmare: Trivia: James Doohan (Trek's Scotty) served with the Canadian forces that hit the beach that day. He was wounded in action and lost the end of his right middle finger due to machine gun fire. Thank you Scotty and the rest of the Canadians!

NERD!!!!!

Just kidding, Thanks to all Military that ended the Nazi occupation.
 
2006-06-06 12:53:17 PM
Devin172: the effect of having your children turned into informants,


Hitler youth
 
2006-06-06 12:53:55 PM
I also was intreged by the discussion the other day about the Jews in NY and the Christ like guy, i can't remeber his name, hte were in National Geographic tho.

Err, make that "Chabad-Lubavitch"
 
2006-06-06 12:54:11 PM
Tatsuma

They did not know of the extent of the Holocaust, no, but they knew that the jews were being sent to concentration camps since the late 30s. I'll find articles to back me up


I'd recommend the New York Times archive and the Nation archive. The former because they were very thorough in covering foreign events during that time period. The latter because they delighted in focusing on the tragedies, travesties, and abuses of power in areas that were being ignored. That, and since the end of the Spanish Civil War, due to Germany's involvement in such, the Nation had a huge axe to grind against Germany (they hated the facsists with a passion). So if there was anything the Nazis were doing that was in any way wrong...they'd publish it.
 
2006-06-06 12:54:53 PM
SupplySideJesus: True enough, not the best example for initial involvement. As Tatsuma stated, there was knowledge of the oppression of European Jews, and to a lesser extent the existence of "work" camps.

What about the Poles, Russians, Serbs, Gypsies, Physically Handicapped, Homosexuals, Trade Unionists, Catholic Priests, Jehovahs Witnesses, Freemasons, Political Dissendents and the millions of others who died in those camps?

From Wiki:

About 220,000 Sinti and Roma were killed in the Holocaust (some estimates are as high as 800,000), between a quarter to a half of the European population. Other groups deemed "racially inferior" or "undesirable": Poles (3 million Polish Jews, and 2 million Polish gentiles, total 5 million Poles killed in Holocaust), Serbs (targeted mostly by Croat Nazi Puppet Ustashas, from 100,000 to 700,000 killed; estimates disputed), Soviet military prisoners of war and civilians on occupied territories including Russians and other East Slavs, the mentally or physically disabled, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Communists and political dissidents, trade unionists, Freemasons, and some Catholic and Protestant clergy, were also persecuted and killed. Many scholars do not include the Nazi persecution of all of these groups in the definition of the Holocaust, with some scholars limiting the Holocaust to the genocide of the Jews; some to genocide of the Jews, Roma, and disabled; and some to all groups targeted by Nazi racism.[2] Taking all these other groups into account, however, the total death toll rises considerably, estimates generally place the total number of Holocaust victims at 9 to 11 million, though some estimates have been as high as 26 million.[3]

The Nazis were evil cruel psychopathic killers; however, they were equal opportunity killers. Too bad there is no Polish Speilberg to tell the story of the 5 million Poles killed in the Holocaust.
 
2006-06-06 12:55:13 PM
Thanks, guys, I'm truly awed and humbled by your bravery.
 
2006-06-06 12:55:19 PM
My Fellow Americans:

Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew at that moment that troops of the United States and our Allies were crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to pass with success thus far.

And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in prayer:

Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity.

Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith.

They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard. For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our sons will triumph.

They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest -- until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and flame. Men's souls will be shaken with the violences of war.

For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They fight not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and goodwill among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle, for their return to the haven of home.

Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them, Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom.

And for us at home -- fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters, and brothers of brave men overseas, whose thoughts and prayers are ever with them -- help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice.

Many people have urged that I call the nation into a single day of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is spent, let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our efforts.

Give us strength, too -- strength in our daily tasks, to redouble the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of our armed forces.

And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons wheresoever they may be.

And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee; faith in our sons; faith in each other; faith in our united crusade. Let not the keeness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment -- let not these deter us in our unconquerable purpose.

With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogances. Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister nations into a world unity that will spell a sure peace -- a peace invulnerable to the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil.

Thy will be done, Almighty God.

Amen.

Franklin D. Roosevelt - June 6, 1944
 
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