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2006-06-02 03:52:04 PM
Sloth_DC: No, he would have been just as justified rapping her upside the head with his nightstick. She was resisting arrest.


www.dqshrine.com

most certainly

/do not feed...
 
2006-06-02 03:52:25 PM
zippie26: don't do the crime if you can't do the time

I wonder how many arrestable offenses you commit every day. Have you looked at the law books? If you got them all together you could probably occupy the square footage of a house! It's a police state with overwhelmingly complex laws designed to make everyone a criminal. Once everyone is a criminal, everyone is afraid. You can't ask questions about your civil liberties or foreign wars or what's happened to this country if you're too busy trying to avoid the police over every petty infraction.
 
2006-06-02 03:55:16 PM
untrustworthy: Like I said before, the police do not hand out justice. That is what our courts are for.

And the police are to get you to the court. What do you want, dude? The cop to just give up and let her drive off on her suspended license? When a cop tells you to take your shoelaces out and put your hands behind your back you do it, and worry about your "rights" after you're booked. When an EMT or firefighter tells you to make a farking hole, make a farking hole, and worry about rubbernecking when you're not in their way any more.
 
2006-06-02 03:57:40 PM
Sloth_DC: And the police are to get you to the court. What do you want, dude? The cop to just give up and let her drive off on her suspended license? When a cop tells you to take your shoelaces out and put your hands behind your back you do it, and worry about your "rights" after you're booked. When an EMT or firefighter tells you to make a farking hole, make a farking hole, and worry about rubbernecking when you're not in their way any more.

Yes, as a good citizen surrender to authority always.

*sheesh*

Sorry, but cops are supposed to serve the public. Using unecessary force is not part of that equation. Abuse is abuse, no matter how you justify it.
 
2006-06-02 03:59:56 PM
untrustworthy: Sorry, but cops are supposed to serve the public. Using unecessary force is not part of that equation. Abuse is abuse, no matter how you justify it.

Where. Is. The. Abuse? He used the minimum force to get her out of the farking car and into his squad car. The only way to use less force would have been to let her keep ignoring him and eventually drive off on her suspended license.
 
2006-06-02 04:02:56 PM
...which the cops opens a minute later. Maybe he should make up his mind- does he want the door closed, or open?

He wanted the door closed while he ran her tags. It was standard procedure, he had no arrest in mind at that point. After he ran her tags and found out she had a suspended license, then he asked her to exit the vehicle.

Exactly. Maybe she was on the way to pick up her kids, and needed to notify someone that she was being arrested and wouldn't make it. Or a dozen other situations. Aren't you allowed a phone call?

Maybe she wanted her boyfriend to come to the scene, maybe her boyfriend is a dangerous drug dealer that isn't afraid to kill cops? How the hell do we know? We don't. If your situation were the case, she could have calmly notified the officer. All the officer knew was that she had broken the law and had to be placed under arrest and that she was not complying with lawful orders. If your situation were correct she could have notified the officer. And while most jurisdictions do give you a phone call, it's not AT THE SCENE. The officer's priority at that point is to make the arrest and she refused to comply with lawful orders.

What does that matter? Besides, he is right there, and can hear her speaking. If she says something like "Hi, I'm being arrested. Come down here to 1st St. and 2nd ave and kill this cop for me.", then he can call for backup.

He did call for backup before she was on the phone. You don't know if he could hear what the other person was saying. He had no idea who he was dealing with, all he knew was that she was breaking the law and resisting arrest.

Why not just reach in and pull her out? He already reached into the car once, so it wasn't like it was an impossible act for him to do.

Listen to the officer analying the video's comments on your link. There are degrees of acceptable force. Pulling her out of the car would hav escalated the situation even more and could potentially be more dangerous to both HER and the officer.

He says it a few time in rapid succession, yes. But he hardly gives her any time to hang up and exit the vehicle.

He gave her PLENTY of time, watch the video on your own damn link. She should have immediately set the phone down and exited the vehicle, which he told her to do before he even pulled the taser out. She continued not to comply for the next 25 or so seconds.

You are correct, Judge Dredd. Tell me, how does it feel to be Judge, Jury, AND Executioner?

That is probably one of the stupidest, irrelevant statements I have ever heard. Everyone reading this thread right now is stupider for having read it, so please refrain from lowering the collective IQ of Fark in the future, thank you.

I'm glad you can tell exactly how much pain someone is really feeling, just from watching a videotape. It must be a gift from god.

She was only tased for 5 seconds. She was writhing on the ground screaming for well over a minute. I've been tased, I've seen people get tased in person and on video, and that is the longest I've ever seen someone scream for a FIVE SECOND shot.

... and he ignores the cops's escalation, like when the cop opens the car door, reaches inside and physically GRABS the woman. Up to that point, it had all been verbal. HE (let me bold that for you:) HE "escalated" it to physical. She did NOTHING physical to him.

She refused to comply with lawful orders which means that she escalated the situation to the point where he justifiably felt it necessary to use force.

Besides, that's OBVIOUSLY a biased interpritation of what was happening. One cops covers for another.

Ok, so don't even listen to what Officer Aiken says. He outlines in very clear detail what procedures and laws the cop had backing his actions. If you disagree, REFUTE what Aiken has to say using police code and law, don't post some cop out "oh it's just one cop covering the other". Tell me how he is wrong.
 
2006-06-02 04:05:32 PM
Sloth_DC: Where. Is. The. Abuse?

He used force when it wasn't necessary.

He used the minimum force to get her out of the farking car and into his squad car. The only way to use less force would have been to let her keep ignoring him and eventually drive off on her suspended license.

He never tried to calm the situation done. As you watch the video you can see how he escalates the situation. I've seen other cops take hostile situations and completely defuse them without ever having to use force. Instead, they use their heads and gain compliance. This cop didn't seem to really care about calming the situation down. He did everything to escalate it beyond the point that was necessary.
 
2006-06-02 04:06:01 PM
Sloth_DC: Where. Is. The. Abuse? He used the minimum force to get her out of the farking car and into his squad car. The only way to use less force would have been to let her keep ignoring him and eventually drive off on her suspended license.

No he probably could have just spun her around and slapped the cuffs on. She's just a random woman, he's trained in how to restrain a person as a matter of course. A taser wasn't necessary.
 
2006-06-02 04:08:47 PM
untrustworthy


He never tried to calm the situation done. As you watch the video you can see how he escalates the situation. I've seen other cops take hostile situations and completely defuse them without ever having to use force. Instead, they use their heads and gain compliance. This cop didn't seem to really care about calming the situation down. He did everything to escalate it beyond the point that was necessary.


Oh please, she was already in her "you pulled me over because I'm black you racist pig" mode before he ever got out of the squad car. He didn't escalate the situation, she did, and he defused it by tasing her arrest resisting ass. Listen to the commentary in the videos, it outlines pretty much frame by frame what procedures the officer had backing him for every action.
 
2006-06-02 04:10:27 PM
Great Caesar's Toast: No he probably could have just spun her around and slapped the cuffs on. She's just a random woman, he's trained in how to restrain a person as a matter of course. A taser wasn't necessary.

So your monday-morning-quarterbacking solution is...to bend the woman forcibly over the steering wheel and wrench her arms behind her (in the enclosed space of a vehicle) to apply the cuffs? I thought you wanted a lower-force solution?
 
2006-06-02 04:10:42 PM
Great Ceaser's Toast

No he probably could have just spun her around and slapped the cuffs on. She's just a random woman, he's trained in how to restrain a person as a matter of course. A taser wasn't necessary.

That would require pulling her out of the vehicle, which is higher on the force gradient than a five second taser shot.
 
2006-06-02 04:14:48 PM
show me: He must be a Bubba or Howard fan.

"Shock the puss, coming at ya!"
Nice!

/Going through Stern withdrawal symptoms until Monday. Arrgghhh.
 
2006-06-02 04:14:56 PM
Baron-Harkonnen: Oh please, she was already in her "you pulled me over because I'm black you racist pig" mode before he ever got out of the squad car.

So? Does that mean he is justified in tasing her?

He didn't escalate the situation, she did, and he defused it by tasing her arrest resisting ass. Listen to the commentary in the videos, it outlines pretty much frame by frame what procedures the officer had backing him for every action.

If you can't calm down a situation like the one in that video, then you have no business being a cop. Any asshole can use force whenever they feel remotely justified, but cops should use it only when absolutely necessary. He could have waited a moment, used some patience, try to calm her down, and then take her into custody. Instead he pushed her towards becoming less compliant and more of a danger to herself and to the cops.
 
2006-06-02 04:19:44 PM
czarangelus: One day, all the minorities and poor people who've been crushed under the "Save the childrens!" jackboot are going to revolt. San Quentin Prison is just the 21st century Bastille. Viva la revolution!

Damn, that must be some good shiat you're on! Don't be greedy... spread the love!
 
2006-06-02 04:21:58 PM
xaveth: Damn, that must be some good shiat you're on! Don't be greedy... spread the love!

I explained myself more fully a few posts down. Try to read the whole narrative instead of juding me on one post.
 
2006-06-02 04:25:35 PM
pleez, for the love of all that iz funny, cue the ha-ha guy laughing about a cop getting hiz scrotum toasted.
 
2006-06-02 04:26:34 PM
If anyone ever deserved a good raping, it is you, Czarangelus. Preferably by large criminals in the inner city.
 
2006-06-02 04:27:45 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

"Police Officers Often Abuse Their Power."
 
2006-06-02 04:29:42 PM
untrustworthy: Sure, but that doesn't necessarily justify a cop beating or tasering you.

Technically, they can do what they want when you refuse to be arrested. That's just the way it works currently. If you don't like it, then lobby to change the law.

Funny, I thought our government was supposed to be for the people. Can you tell me when that stopped? I must have missed it.

Heh. Its purpose has been to perpetuate its own existence for a while now.

Bullshiat. I'll fight for my liberties. I'm not putting them on hold until later.

It's a lot easier to make an arguement for your liberties when you still have teeth, and you don't have 'resisting arrest' charges against you. Note, I'm not saying it's at all right that it's that way--but I'd prefer to be able to speak articulately later to make a point than make a point which will be forgotten in a month now.
 
2006-06-02 04:31:29 PM
Baron-Harkonnen: running makes you seem much more dangerous to a cop, and they're going to act to protect themselves or bystanders. So if you run, you may get shot.


Yes, because quickly moving away from someone is a worldwide accepted dangerous gesture, what with the ever-increasing distance between the parties and all.
 
2006-06-02 04:33:43 PM
czarangelus
I explained myself more fully a few posts down. Try to read the whole narrative instead of juding me on one post.

Uh, czarangelus, the only thing you "explained" was your dimestore-socialist view of the world. Same shiat I've heard from a thousand bullshiat "revolutionaries."

Oh, and since you're quoting song lyrics, here's one for you:

There's a place in the world for the angry young man
With his working class ties and his radical plans
He refuses to bend, he refuses to crawl,
He's always at home with his back to the wall.
And he's proud of his scars and the battles he's lost,
And he struggles and bleeds as he hangs on the cross-
And he likes to be known as the angry young man.

Give a moment or two to the angry young man,
With his foot in his mouth and his heart in his hand.
He's been stabbed in the back, he's been misunderstood,
It's a comfort to know his intentions are good.
And he sits in a room with a lock on the door,
With his maps and his medals laid out on the floor-
And he likes to be known as the angry young man.

And there's always a place for the angry young man,
With his fist in the air and his head in the sand.
And he's never been able to learn from mistakes,
So he can't understand why his heart always breaks.
But his honor is pure and his courage as well,
And he's fair and he's true and he's boring as hell
And he'll go to the grave as an angry old man.
 
2006-06-02 04:35:29 PM
I hope the cop-haters get tazered in the groin today. Should teach you punks to get off the lawn!
 
2006-06-02 04:36:27 PM
muninsfire: Technically, they can do what they want when you refuse to be arrested. That's just the way it works currently. If you don't like it, then lobby to change the law.

It should never work that way. I have argued against a lot of the powers that have been taken over by the government and their enforcers. And I vote along those lines as well. I'm not going to tolerate it just because that's "the way it is."

Heh. Its purpose has been to perpetuate its own existence for a while now.

Obviously. Time to take the power back.

It's a lot easier to make an arguement for your liberties when you still have teeth, and you don't have 'resisting arrest' charges against you. Note, I'm not saying it's at all right that it's that way--but I'd prefer to be able to speak articulately later to make a point than make a point which will be forgotten in a month now.

Hey, as I pointed out in an earlier story I have taken matters into my own hands and confronted the cops directly about their abuses. I have done this while defusing a situation that was made hostile by the cop. It has typically ended with me and the cop shaking hands and perhaps having a greater understanding than before. But I don't have to tolerate their shiat, especially if they are abusing their power.
 
2006-06-02 04:38:10 PM
Fellate O'Fish: Uh, czarangelus, the only thing you "explained" was your dimestore-socialist view of the world. Same shiat I've heard from a thousand bullshiat "revolutionaries."

You don't know shiat about me. You don't know shiat about my plans and you don't know shiat about how to make the world a better place. But keep consuming, you shmuck. Eat and eat and eat until there's nothing left to take, and then eat yourself.
 
2006-06-02 04:41:15 PM
MOAB_in_my_pocket: I hope the cop-haters get tazered in the groin today. Should teach you punks to get off the lawn!

Get the HELL off MY LAWN!

/i'd taser LEO in a heartbeat if i was that kid
//and you, if you put one foot on my grass...

www.angliangardener.co.uk
 
2006-06-02 04:52:25 PM
untrustworthy

It should never work that way. I have argued against a lot of the powers that have been taken over by the government and their enforcers. And I vote along those lines as well. I'm not going to tolerate it just because that's "the way it is."

I'm not sure how to judge statements like that over a message board. But you seem on the sane side of radical, which is a rarity.
 
2006-06-02 04:54:28 PM
Now the cop may take the time to learn how to subdue somebody properly. Or, he may just learn to shoot first and ask questions later. Could go either way.
 
2006-06-02 04:55:04 PM
czarangelus
You don't know shiat about me. You don't know shiat about my plans and you don't know shiat about how to make the world a better place. But keep consuming, you shmuck. Eat and eat and eat until there's nothing left to take, and then eat yourself.

Au contraire. I've seen and met you a thousand times. You are always the same. You say you want a revolution, czarangelus? Well, you know, we we'd all love to see the plan. . .

/Oh, yes, and eat me.
 
2006-06-02 04:57:12 PM
jealex2

long live the memory of a kinder freer America...

When was that exactly? During McCarthyism, Apartheid, or perhaps during the time we held slaves? Was it during colonial rule, or before then?

*shrug* Patriot Act, NSA, or whatever, it's hard to feel we have fewer freedoms than in the past. The internet alone provides a measure of freedom unheard of before this age. Crap, even the great firewall of China can't filter everything.
 
2006-06-02 05:00:45 PM
borland502: I'm not sure how to judge statements like that over a message board. But you seem on the sane side of radical, which is a rarity.

Thanks. Everyday that passes I believe more and more that there were no more intelligent, compassionate, and rational people than our founding fathers. And I'd judge them to be on the sane side of radical as well. Time to roll some things back a bit, I'd say.
 
2006-06-02 05:02:37 PM
I realize I haven't been around Fark for too long, but this thread had some of the stupidest crap I'e ever heard. I'm lookin' at you Radicals", "revolutionaries", "civil rights experts", you don't know shiat about law enforcement, only some anecdotal crap you heard or made up. If the cops farked with you there are avenues to use to get things put right. Every department has an internal affairs division or officer to make sure that the bad apples are weeded out. No cop likes to be painted with the broad brush that you are using, so they police their own. The code of blue that you like to yammer about does not exist except in the fertile malajusted brains of people who hate cops BECAUSE THEY THINK IT MAKES THEM LOOK TOUGH. It doesn't make you look tough, it makes you look like a maladjusted jaggoff who couldn't pass the test to be a cop even if he cheated. Next time you need a cop, call Jealex2 and see how his bravado and towering intellect will help you out.
 
2006-06-02 05:06:32 PM
borland502: *shrug* Patriot Act, NSA, or whatever, it's hard to feel we have fewer freedoms than in the past.

True.

The internet alone provides a measure of freedom unheard of before this age.

Mmm, sort of. As currently configured, the internet is a great tool of freedom. It would've been just as easy to set it up with more built-in control, though, and it's steadily becoming more controlled.

Crap, even the great firewall of China can't filter everything.

Why bother, when they can get foreign sites to filter for them?
 
2006-06-02 05:07:46 PM
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Found this add amusing right next to the article. Hey, Perp...You got caught, and I just save a bunch of money on car insurance...
 
2006-06-02 05:07:51 PM
Nekomusume: Now the cop may take the time to learn how to subdue somebody properly. Or, he may just learn to shoot first and ask questions later. Could go either way.

Pulling the gun worked. Using nonlethal force did not. Lemme guess...
 
2006-06-02 05:07:57 PM
Fellate O'Fish: Au contraire. I've seen and met you a thousand times. You are always the same. You say you want a revolution, czarangelus? Well, you know, we we'd all love to see the plan. . .

It's not that I want a revolution, it's that a revolution is inevitable. When too many people are too poor to eat, the best technology in the world won't stop them from revolting. As long as this, and other administrations, pursue courses that imprison vast percentages of the population, depress the economies around the country, and allow corporate CEOs to loot their companies and run, people are going to go hungry. It's not as if there isn't more than enough wealth in America to feed, clothe, and shelter the entire planet. But instead, we have a ten thousand Paris Hiltons and ten million mothers who can't afford to feed their kids.

We have overextended our military and our ecology. There is only so large of a footprint that people can leave before the earth claims back its own. If you get rid of too many wetlands, they will reappear. In the middle of cities. Mother Nature doesn't care a jot for human beings.

The real point is that we need to stop relying on other country's natural resources and start relying more on our own. Not enough resources? Then you aren't using them right. There is no reason that this country isn't rich enough in intellectual power to ensure the health, welfare, and opportunity for everyone who lives here. Anyone who tells you different just wants to get a hand in your wallet.

Who needs all these SUVs and $800 cell phones anyway? It seems to me that sometimes, it's the people with less that are truly happier. Instead of enslaving yourself to a corporation, why can't you build self-sustaining communities? Oh right, because the government is bound to find a reason to legally prevent you from doing so, or to take it away once it's done. It's feudalism, pure and simple.
 
2006-06-02 05:08:59 PM
JoeBagadonutz: If the cops farked with you there are avenues to use to get things put right.

No there aren't. There was no outward evidence: It's my word against his. And the cop always wins with his own.
 
2006-06-02 05:11:21 PM
Wrong again, if a cop has the same complaint lodged against him by sveral people, the IAD will know that he is dirty and either clean him up or throw him out. How long were you a cop?
 
2006-06-02 05:11:28 PM
czarangelus: It seems to me that sometimes, it's the people with less that are truly happier.

Give me 100 acres of prime northwestern land and I'm good.
 
2006-06-02 05:13:01 PM
czarangelus: Who needs all these SUVs and $800 cell phones anyway? It seems to me that sometimes, it's the people with less that are truly happier.

I dunno, dude, you seem pretty bitter.
 
2006-06-02 05:13:22 PM
JoeBagadonutz: Wrong again, if a cop has the same complaint lodged against him by sveral people, the IAD will know that he is dirty and either clean him up or throw him out. How long were you a cop?

What've you been a cop in every department in the country, thus making you able to announce that all departments everwhere are honorable and handle complaints well and thus there are few bad cops?

Here's a video for you, I especially like that part where the cop gets ready to pull his gun on a guy for asking for a complaint form. fark head.
 
2006-06-02 05:14:41 PM
Great Caesar's Toast: Give me 100 acres of prime northwestern land and I'm good.

I'd love 100 acres of land... I'd build a whole city with my friends and people who think similarly. Humans were building their own homes, farming their own crops, running their own family businesses, and investing in their own infrastructure for thousands of years. I'm not too good to live like that, and neither is anyone else.

But then comes the government brigade. Zoning laws, building codes, and etc. do more than ensure the safety of people damned to live in tract suburban homes. They are also ways to control the way people can live. Besides, how am I supposed to afford 100 acres of land? I'm pretty sure that someone owns all the land in the country outside Alaska with the Homestead Act, but it would be so cost prohibitive to try to farm in Alaska that I see little point trying. It's all about control.
 
2006-06-02 05:17:12 PM
Sloth_DC: I dunno, dude, you seem pretty bitter.

I'm bitter because I want a little to survive, but even that is denied to me by the way the power structures are set up. I'm on my second week of looking for a job now, joy! If I'm lucky, I'll get $10 an hour to strain my carpal tunnel even more. Yeah farking right. What am I gonna do when I'm finally out of school and on my own (and don't forget the $80k student loan debt I've managed to amass!) I think it's all a colossal farking joke. Yeah, I'd rather the central government collapsed and there was no one left to enforce the nation's ridiculous laws. Then I could actually get all my friend together and start digging wells and canals and digging homes and levelling roads...
 
2006-06-02 05:17:55 PM
Excuse me shiat for brains, I didn't say it doesn't happen; I said that there is recourse for victims, and bad cops are weeded out. Don't let your overall hatred of authority make you stupid. Maybe you were just potty trained too young.
 
2006-06-02 05:19:14 PM
czarangelus
Well, I wish you luck. Seriously. But be prepared for disappointment.
 
2006-06-02 05:20:31 PM
Fellate O'Fish: Well, I wish you luck. Seriously. But be prepared for disappointment.

I'm more than prepared for disappointment. But Hell, the worst thing that can happen to me is death. That's not so bad all things considered. At least I'm trying to find a way to live my own life, instead of relying on some Nigerian farking warlord to gas up my car for me. *sigh*
 
2006-06-02 05:27:36 PM
untrustworthy: It should never work that way. I have argued against a lot of the powers that have been taken over by the government and their enforcers. And I vote along those lines as well. I'm not going to tolerate it just because that's "the way it is."

So you're trying to change the law. Good for you.

/I want it to change, too, mind you.

Hey, as I pointed out in an earlier story I have taken matters into my own hands and confronted the cops directly about their abuses. I have done this while defusing a situation that was made hostile by the cop. It has typically ended with me and the cop shaking hands and perhaps having a greater understanding than before. But I don't have to tolerate their shiat, especially if they are abusing their power.

That takes tact and diplomacy, which, I think you'll agree, few farkers are capable of. As general advice, it's probably best to just cooperate for the time being, until you're in a safer situation.
 
2006-06-02 05:27:52 PM
czarangelus: I'm bitter because I want a little to survive, but even that is denied to me by the way the power structures are set up.

Yeah, I can see you can't afford any luxuries like computer time and internet forums.

I'm on my second week of looking for a job now, joy!

Huh, imagine that. I didn't have time to surf the web when *I* was looking for a job. But maybe that's because I was busting my ass working a night job and various odd jobs while I was looking for the main score. I guess "looking for a job" doesn't mean the same thing it used to.

What am I gonna do when I'm finally out of school and on my own (and don't forget the $80k student loan debt I've managed to amass!)

My guess? You're gonna keep whining, while ignoring the fact that your own farking laziness and blame-deferrals are keeping you down.

Yeah, I'd rather the central government collapsed and there was no one left to enforce the nation's ridiculous laws. Then I could actually get all my friend together and start digging wells and canals and digging homes and levelling roads...

And you could get raped by the bandits in the hills because there's no govt to keep the peace. And don't come around my place if the law breaks down - I have lots of charity in my heart, but none for deadbeat whiners.
 
2006-06-02 05:31:37 PM
JoeBagadonutz: Excuse me shiat for brains, I didn't say it doesn't happen; I said that there is recourse for victims, and bad cops are weeded out. Don't let your overall hatred of authority make you stupid. Maybe you were just potty trained too young.

People who have to employ as much personal attacks as you have only make themselves look childish.
 
2006-06-02 05:31:53 PM
Sloth_DC: Yeah, I can see you can't afford any luxuries like computer time and internet forums.

I can't. This isn't my wifi connection, and someone else donated my TotalFark.

Huh, imagine that. I didn't have time to surf the web when *I* was looking for a job. But maybe that's because I was busting my ass working a night job and various odd jobs while I was looking for the main score. I guess "looking for a job" doesn't mean the same thing it used to.

I've had more luck trying to get to the interview stage by applying places online. At least I'm getting more responses this way. Shouldn't I go with what seems to be working?

My guess? You're gonna keep whining, while ignoring the fact that your own farking laziness and blame-deferrals are keeping you down.

My own laziness? Did you miss the whole section about digging wells, building domiciles, irrigating crops? That's hard farking work last time I checked. It's not that I don't want to work. It's that I don't want to be a sharecropper.

And you could get raped by the bandits in the hills because there's no govt to keep the peace. And don't come around my place if the law breaks down - I have lots of charity in my heart, but none for deadbeat whiners.

At least then I'd have self-determination. Sounds like a small risk to take for freedom.
 
2006-06-02 05:35:43 PM
muninsfire: That takes tact and diplomacy, which, I think you'll agree, few farkers are capable of. As general advice, it's probably best to just cooperate for the time being, until you're in a safer situation.

Well, I think I can judge whether the situation requires that I shut up and cooperate or if I can confront the asshat who is abusing his power. In my case, when the cop was pushing me around and barking at me I said nothing and cooperated fully. It was only after he had given me the ticket and was getting ready to release me that I took the opportunity to offer a little constructive criticism.

But I think the tact that I employed would be the tact that we should expect and demand from our law enforcement officer. They aren't getting paid to be bullies or to intimidate average citizens. Even if you someone has broken the law it is still the best policy to treat them with as much respect and dignity as possible. It will help defuse the situations and bring a safer resolution for the cops and the public as well as help improve the public's perception of the "peace" officers.
 
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