Seems fair to me. If his girlfriend lied to him about being on birth control, she should be held accountable for anything that happens as a result.

Just to be clear...Does the term "Feminazis" invoke Godwins law?

Perhaps it only invokes it once a month?

feminazis, republitards, brangelina

at last we have reached a stage when language truly expresses what we need the most, and will allow the removal of misunderstandings in communication.

p.s this article is extremely wierd - he keeps referring to communism and how feminism is the "real evil".
p.p.s Also seems fair to me, if his girlfriend lied to him, why does he have to pay?

damn you boojum2k

When the "father" is nothing more than a sperm doner to the woman than no he shouldn't have to support the results. So if a woman basically entraps a man by not taking birth control when she has said she is then I agree that this is fraud and she should deal with the result by herself.

Or maybe you can just be a man about it and take care of your offspring and not pork every waitress that winks at you.

Or maybe she can just be a woman about it and take care her offspring and not forget to take the pill when she's porking a guy she winked at

What a sickening, shoulderless little bug of a man. Life's not fair. Man up and take care of your child.

What a sickening, shoulderless little bug of a woman. Life's not fair. Woman up and take care of your child.


Insulting him and saying he should "man up" can be applied both ways, it doesn't make any meaningful point. It also doesn't make you wrong, but really - this guy had sex with a woman who told him that she was taking precautions. Where is her responsibility?

Oh come on, we had this argument like a month ago. Do we really have to do this all again?

SpaceyCat

15 minutes, baby! Let me put on the music, and lay my love to you for a loooong time ;)

phenn: What a sickening, shoulderless little bug of a man. Life's not fair. Man up and take care of your child. There are already PLENTY of men who do not.

And there are PLENTY of men who do, and PLENTY of women who lie about birth control.

You're right. Life isn't fair, especially to men in this dept. We have no options and no rights. Just a checkbook. That's freakin wrong.

No, I don't have a solution either :P

nukeim

You're right. Life isn't fair, especially to men in this dept. We have no options and no rights. Just a checkbook. That's freakin wrong.

Look on the bright side. You guys do get nigh guaranteed orgasms.

damm I can't wait till they perfect male birthcontrol.

soze: Look on the bright side. You guys do get nigh guaranteed orgasms.

There is that.


SpaceyCat: You have the option to not have sex, just like everyone else.

Yup. I've turned it down because I didn't trust the girl, and I didn't want to be in this situation.

Not everybody went to nukeim's school of iron will though.

devilchildsrevenge: damm I can't wait till they perfect male birthcontrol.

It's called a vasectomy.

yeah but I think thats kinda permanent

phenn: Tells me something about his character - or lack thereof.

You mean their character, right?

phenn: I agree that some men get pulled over the coals in courts. But, blame the courts for enabling that. There are also plenty of women who wait years and years for needed support enforcement, so the system is far from perfect.

I think what upsets me, is that I have zero recourse if a woman tells me that she can't have children (assuming she knows that she can), then gets pregnant.

I seem to remember something like that coming up fairly recently (I usually stay out of threads like this, so I don't recall how long ago).

Then there's the whole thing with being able to sue a man for child support when he had no prior knowledge of the child. Make him pay it from then on, but not for the last 10 years where the woman kept his child from him.

THAT sticks in my craw. I know a guy that's had exactly that happen, and it's pretty much ruined his life.

Wow, that article writer is a pompous windbag. I mean, really... "agitprop"? "Ba’al Zebub"? Puh-leeze.

HomerButt: Wow, that article writer is a pompous windbag. I mean, really... "agitprop"? "Ba'al Zebub"? Puh-leeze.

Did you see his picture? He's the lovechild of Bill Gates, Bill Nye, and Steven Hawking...In a sweater.

In a sweater? LET'S GET HIM!!

nukeim: I have zero recourse if a woman tells me that she can't have children (assuming she knows that she can)

Don't believe her. Honestly, 9/10 of the women who say they "can't have kids" are talking out of their ass. I mean, if she's healthy and of childbearing age, how would she even know, unless she was actively trying to get pregnant in the past? And going without birth control with an ex-bf/husband and not getting pregnant with him is not a reliable recommendation.

I know there are infertile women, I just think if every woman who said she couldn't have kids really couldn't, we'd have a depopulation going on here.

HomerButt: Don't believe her. Honestly, 9/10 of the women who say they "can't have kids" are talking out of their ass. I mean, if she's healthy and of childbearing age, how would she even know, unless she was actively trying to get pregnant in the past? And going without birth control with an ex-bf/husband and not getting pregnant with him is not a reliable recommendation.


I'm in my mid 30's, never been married, and never had a "scare"...That's because I don't trust people for shiat, and I don't go near teh wimmins without my own insurance.

soze

In a sweater? LET'S GET HIM!!


Yeah! Who does he think he is; Bill Cosby?

No, worse. Mr. Rogers.

Stupid hippy-ass-sneaker-wearing-dope-smoking-sweater-wearing Mr. Rogers.

mialynneb: What if she was on birth control and still got pregnant?

The child is born wearing armor?

After you wade through the chaff and bible-talk rhetoric, he does have an actual point: guys shouldn't be screwed over for the next 18 years just because psycho-biatch says, "I took the pill" when she knows she didn't. His solution of giving guys first right to custody when the female turns down marriage, though, isn't going to fix the problem either. Some sort of middle ground needs to be struck here. Hell, I might actually try to get laid then...

This guy is not a deadbeat. If a woman wants a child enough to lie about birth control then she should be willing to provide for that child by herself.

Anyone wtch Maury? All those whores tryin to find "Thier baby daddy"? If you dont know who the father is out of 5 men then he shouldnt be held accountable. (i wouldnt wanna be the father if the woman was that biatchy)

Feminists cant have it both ways - Men and women are equal - and the many courts who repeatedly screw men out of thier money or rights do not reflect this value.

The mother of my children decided to go out and have an affair with her old HS basketball coach - who is a woman. We were married (still are) for 14 years. I live at home to support the kids and keep their lifestyle up, while she wanders off at will to be with her 'emotional mate'. I chose not to implode the marriage so as not to destroy my childrens financial well being.

She tried to rake me over the coals when I discovered her affair on computer notes and love letters. Had me arrested. Accused me of domestic violence. Wanted the house, the car, la-de-da. She finally saw the light when I showed her the dollars and cents of what would happen to the kids, and stopped listening to the bad advice of the embittered divorced wives club.

Now - where are my rights?

And now that her mid-life crisis is over, and the drama queen that wanted to experiment with lesbian sex is not putting out anymore, the mother of my children wants me back.

The laws need to change.

What if she was on birth control and still got pregnant?

It happens. I know two couples that had babies while practicing birth control, one was on the pill and one was using a condom. It's very rare, but it's not impossible.

And another thing, I thought that author had at least an interesting point to make when he started the article, but the he started talking about how birth control made women easy overnight and "to be invisibly barren or fertile at will, the door was thrown open for reproductive predation and fraud" I started thinking that maybe this guy has some serious Norman Bates like issues with women.

Every pregnancy should be aborted unless the parents sign a notice of intent to procreate outlining exactly who is responsible (or not responsible) for what concerning the child's needs.

/Children are more important than zygotes, motherfarkers

CapnKirk:

Your rights in Louisiana would be substantial. First off, you would not be required to pay alimony because she engaged in adultery. Second, you would, at the very least, be awarded joint custody of the children and possibly sole custody because it sounds like the wife is kind of a nutbar. (Sorry, but I'm just saying.)Also, sex is a requirement of marriage and unreasonably not "putting out" is grounds for divorce here. So come on down, although it is the first day of hurricane season.

This guy is a lowlife douchebag. If he didn't want to have a child, he should have kept his dick in his pants. Plenty of women have gotten pregnant while using birth control, and even condoms can break.

Where is all of the crowd that normally cries out for the idiots in this country to take responsibility for their own actions? This is a prime examply of said idiocy.

quantum_csc: This guy is a lowlife douchebag. If he didn't want to have a child, he should have kept his dick in his pants. Plenty of women have gotten pregnant while using birth control, and even condoms can break.


And she should have kept her legs together.


Or at least done it in the butt.

What is it with these guys? They make a good argument, start gathering some steam, and then they turn around and sodomize you with the Jesus argument.

No doubt in my mind, these women should be held accountable. Unfortunately, the law doesn't see it that way. One of the first cases I read in contracts was outlandishly cruel, a similar thing happened to a man in Baltimore where the woman not only lied about her age (17) but about using birth control. She gets preggers and tells him he's the father. He agrees to pay child support out of responsibility. Later, he gets nailed for statutory rape. At the same time, he learns the child wasn't his. Sues to end child support. Court said nope, you've got a binding contract. So this guy ends up having to pay for a kid that's not even his after being lied to by this little teenage tramp. And yes, I phrased it like that in class.

I say that we go on the offensive. If a woman can't be responsible enough to figure out how to use birth control pills or defrauds a man so that she gets pregnant, I say sue her for complete custody with no visitation rights and demand she pay child support. If she can't be responsible enough with birth control, what makes you think she's going to be responsible enough to raise a child?

/Dear God, don't let Mrs. Jesus Farking Christ read this. In my name I pray, Amen.

NOLAhd:

Unfortunately, carpet munching in Maryland is not considered sex, because it is not intercourse between a man and a woman which includes vaginal penetration. IF I did go to court, and had a reasonable judge, I am sure 50/50 would work out. But the financial stuff would not - with the private school, etc.

Instead, we have chosen to work it out as rational adults, now that the emotional nukes have stopped dropping. And yes, she is realizing how nutbar she was/is. Thank goodness for family therapy. We'll sign off on a no fault and work out the details when the financial pieces fit, which is close. This is 2+ years in the making, which I figure would have taken just as long with lawyers, money down the toilet, and a shiatty outcome for my three special gifts/kids.