Great, next thing we know, Iraq starts it's own development of nuclear technology.

ummm, no one's against Iran's peaceful and civilian use of nuclear technology and that's all they said.

Its the peaceful, civilian part everyone wants to make sure of.

It's hard to take issue with it when it's couched in terms like "peaceful nuclear activities" and such. Hell, I support that. Do I trust in that? Less so.

I've always found this memorial to the Iran-Iraq war to be very moving



I may be off base but I think it's symbolic of the division of what should be one. Kinda telling , that.

Wait a minute, this was published by Zaman, which is "Fox News" of Turkey, I don't trust anything they say.

Also from the article "They(Iraq) do not want any neighboring country to have weapons of mass destruction".

MadTurk: Wait a minute, this was published by Zaman, which is "Fox News" of Turkey, I don't trust anything they say.


http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-0 5-26T100033Z_01_GEO633746_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-IRAN.xml

How about reuters?

your link is not working KyngNothing

MadTurk: your link is not working KyngNothing

worked for me

(It's just quotes from a speech)

Thanks for the link.

Iran having nuclear power , peaceful nuclear activities, I just don't believe that's possible. peacefil nuclear activities...
I think we should help them build some hydro-dams or something.

Hyrdo-dams. Yeah, cuz they have so many rivers in the farking desert.

Who let this genie out of a bottle? We did.

oh yeah, thats going to be a good idea. Didnt we learn that giving these countries weapony and technology will come back and kick us in the ass? So we're going to setup Iraq with nuclear technology, this way when the current govt is over thrown by insurgents in a few years, like Iran was with the Shah, they will already have everything they need to blow us to kingdom come.

Sheesh...I am going to canada.

aszure

CravenMorehead: Hyrdo-dams. Yeah, cuz they have so many rivers in the farking desert.


Iran has over 1500 miles of coastline.

/the more you know

http://www.holidayiran.com/holiday2.html

lets go Coolhaus..

soz for the double post.

Apart from the fact that you can holiday in Iran (and they still have a stupid flash web site) I bet there is some intresting stuff there that we will never see.. Such a shame.

Just googling for holiday Iran shows and amazing country with stunning sights and cities..

bah.

Coolhaus: Iran has over 1500 miles of coastline.

And you build dams on coastlines without rivers how exactly?

Six Flags Tehran here I come!

I-ran, I-ran so far away.
I-just-ran, I-ran all night and day.

Is it just me, or were the Flock of Seagulls visionary prophets well ahead of their time?

Weren't these two countries in a war a few years ago? Where'd that conflict go?

EmrysX: And you build dams on coastlines without rivers how exactly?

I was not aware that hydroelectric power was limited to rivers.

There are several wave-generated power systems in use today.

Google is your friend.

There is a vastly extended network of rivers in Iran. The major rivers running into the Caspian Sea in Iranian shorelines flow from the northern Alborz attitudes like: Aras, Sefid Rud, Chalus, Haraz, Se hezar, Babol, Talar, Tajan, Gorgan, Atrak, Qarasu and Neka.

Aras runs as long as 950km inside Iran before getting to the Caspian Sea. It also irrigates many areas like Moghan Plain at the NW of Iran.

Sefid Rud is said to be 600-780km long from where it originates, Kurdistan Mountains. Gilan plain is a fertile area thanks to Sefid Rud. Fish is farmed in this river.

Chalus River is another important river at the north of Iran for fish farming.

Haraz is a 150km long river irrigating a large plain in Mazandaran province before getting to the Caspian Sea. Trout is the major fish there.

Se Hezar irrigates Tonekabon plain.

Babol is a very suitable river for fish to spawn and breed.

Talar is 150km long and irrigates a plain called Shirgah at Mazandaran province.

Tajan is 120km long that passes by Sari, the capital of Mazandaran province, and gives life to its banks all the way down to the sea.

Gorgan is approximately 300km long irrigating Gorgan plain before getting to its watershed.

Atrak is 500km long and does not always reach Hosein Qoly Bay in Mazandaran province, because it sometimes does not get adequate water from other rivers.

Qarasu is 80km long and originates from the east of Gorgan.

Neka is approximately 100 km long originating from Savad Kuh in Gorgan.

Ok , How about Windmills, GE , imagination at work.

Coolhaus: There are several wave-generated power systems in use today.

The technology isn't there for wave-generated power plants to supply power to the entire country of Iran.

Iraq's freely elected government is joined at the hip with Iran.

I wonder what kind of chaos the Shiites in Iraq could bring to American troops if the US did something to the Shiites in Iran. Hmmm....

Jeez.
Our Iraq policy really has turned into a complete and utter shipwreck.
Could we of handled this in any worse way?

If I was Iran, I would feel alot safer with nukes, and have no intention of using them, unless its a MAD type thing.


/no...not the emotion
//definately more sane than any fundamentalist leader anywhere

Shiites leaders hate anyone who is not a Shiite. A Shiite is the 17th century version of a catholic vs a Sunni is a 17th century protestant. They wont touch other woman, hell they wont hand anything to a woman, they wont touch dogs. Their view is that Muslims all around the world , are sell-outs to the oppressive western ideologies, They won't even wear a tie, since it's an indication of western civilization for them, Democracy in the hands of Shiites won't work. They will adapt Sheriate(Islamic government style) as soon as they can.

Yup, Iran has see its neigbouring countries invaded and turned into disaster areas, they'd be stupid not to try for nukes.

If the neigbours where turned into stable democracies then maybe it would be different.

When is Iraq going to announce that Israel has a right to exist?

The US freed Iraq.
Israel is a close friend of the US.

Iraq recognizing Israel would send a special message of, "Thank You" to the people of the US.

Muta

"When is Iraq going to announce that Israel has a right to exist?

Iraq recognizing Israel would send a special message of, "Thank You" to the people of the US."

As soon as they become wealthy enough to forget about the past and think that positive relations with Israel can benifit them.
Cash rules everything around me, dollar dollar bills y'all.

the shia wud be the protestants, the catholics the sunni. plenty of sunni muslims want sharia law. So madturk how many muslim leaders arent sellouts??

muta u think the ppl wud like to thank america for the thousands of civilians dead? another 911 perhaps??

2006-05-27 01:00:48 PMMadTurk
Cash rules everything around me, dollar dollar bills y'all.

It makes me happy to know we live in a time when the wu-tang can be successfuclly interjected into a political discussion.

/killa bees on the swarm

darkwyrm

"the shia wud be the protestants, the catholics the sunni. plenty of sunni muslims want sharia law. So madturk how many muslim leaders arent sellouts??"

I meant Shiites are conservatives, and Sunnis are liberals of Islam. Sunnis don't want Islamic law, Shiites do. A Shiite won't talk to you, on other hand a Sunni will accept any other religion and respect them for what they believe in. The main division in Islam is between Sunni and Shiite Muslims. The Shiites believe that Ali, Mohammed's cousin and son-in-law, and his successors were divinely ordained caliphs. Although they believe in the Prophet Muhammad and the Koran, their religious practice varies substantially from that of the Sunnis. The majority of Muslims in Iran and Southern Iraq are Shiite. In Turkey, the majority are Sunni. Mevlana for example is a Sunni he lived in the 13th century who is also known as Rumi, was a philosopher and mystic of Islam, but not a Muslim of the orthodox type. His doctrine advocates unlimited tolerance, positive reasoning, goodness, charity and awareness through love. To him and to his disciples all religions are more or less truth. Looking with the same eye on Muslim, Jew and Christian alike, his peaceful and tolerant teaching has appealed to men of all sects and creeds. Here a famous quote "
"Come, come again, whoever you are, come!
Heathen, fire worshiper or idolatrous, come!
Come even if you broke your penitence a hundred times,
Ours is the portal of hope, come as you are."

How many muslim leaders are sell-outs? None, it's all about politics, and religion is the cheapest way to achieve political power.

Let's be nice to Iran and see if their attitude towards the US changes.

huh? how else wud u define sell out other than changing ur beliefs for political or personal well being?? they use religion to get to power then do whatever it takes to bend over for america. Bush does the same.. uses religion to get into power then bends over to the corporations, either way sell outs.

u forget al-qaeda is a sunni organisation... not exactly liberal. and er..if u think all religions r more or less the truth.. then why define himself as a muslim. its like saying all numbers are more or less the same..

aslong as america supports israel..i doubt many ppl wud like them, well their government anyway. i dont think most ppl hate americans per se

Hell I have no problem with Iran having nuclear power plants. I DO have a problem with them having nuclear weapons. Unfortionately some of their recent actions seem to suggest they want weapons not power plants.

pshaw
weren't these 2 countries in a war a few years ago? where'd that conflict go?

Arab/muslim quote "the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

er..isnt that a universal quote...

its why america keeps supporting dictators..like saddam.

/until the dictators dont bend over fast enuf....

CNN sure does suck at translations.

http://www.radiosawa.com/article.aspx?id=888454

We respect Iran's and every other nation's right to pursue nuclear technology for research purposes and peaceful use given they accept [giving] the internationally required guarantees that this will not lead to an armament race in the region...

time to invade Iraq again!

should be easy seeing as how we are already there and all :P

America doesn't get to dictate who's in charge of other countries


That's what you think.

/man oh man the URL for that image just drips with irony. sad, sick irony.

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/2006/05/lost-in-translation.html


CNN's version of the story:

Iran has a right to develop nuclear technology and the international community should drop its demands that Tehran prove it's not trying to build a nuclear weapon, Iraq's foreign minister said Friday.
[...]
"Iran doesn't claim that they want to obtain a nuclear weapon or a nuclear bomb, so there is no need that we ask them for any guarantee now," Hoshyar Zebari said after meeting with his Iranian counterpart, Manouchehr Mottaki.

Zaman Online's version (the thread's article):

Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari gave the message to his Iranian counterpart Manouchehr Mottaki, who came to Bagdat (Baghdad) to support the new government, that "Iran has the right to conduct peaceful nuclear activities."

Iraqi blogger Iraq the Model offers a more complete translation, emphasis mine (Comrade438's link included therein):

We respect Iran's and every other nation's right to pursue nuclear technology for research purposes and peaceful use given they accept [giving] the internationally required guarantees that this will not lead to an armament race in the region...

The Iraqi minister is okay with Iran developing nuclear technology ONLY IF they accept the internationally-demanded guarantee to stick to peaceful research. This minister seems to be a bit more optimistic about the prospects of such an agreement than some in the US, but it puts the onus for guarantees on Iran, so the differences between the quotes are significant.


pshaw
weren't these 2 countries in a war a few years ago? where'd that conflict go?

It's still brewing. Iran has been pouring a lot of money into sending and funding anti-government terrorists to stir trouble in Iraq, and even some of the local Iraqis have been fighting against them. It makes more sense when you realize that the Iraqi minister is asking Iran to accept international demands rather than defy them.

Wasn't someone saying something about Thorium based power plants? Can't Iran use those for nuke energy by importing it from Russia? Thorium can't be used to make a nuclear bomb, can it?

Heh.

So whats the over/under on how long it will take THIS Iraqi government to become our enemy. Last time it was just a little over 10 years.