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(Depressed Citizen)   Red Bull sues bar for using competitor's product in mixed drinks. Piss manufacturers considering similar lawsuit over use of Coors   (press-citizen.com ) divider line
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2006-05-25 03:09:36 PM  
Hey, I'm a piss manufacturer - I smell a class action.
 
2006-05-25 03:19:02 PM  
Cry me a frikkin' river. If I go into bar and order a rum and Coke, I have a 50/50 chance of getting a rum and Pepsi.

Red Bull is getting a tad big for their britches.
 
2006-05-25 03:25:40 PM  
Technically, they are suing for misleading customers. Not that I approve, they have no standing to sue.
 
2006-05-25 03:28:02 PM  
SpinStopper: Cry me a frikkin' river. If I go into bar and order a rum and Coke, I have a 50/50 chance of getting a rum and Pepsi.

Red Bull is getting a tad big for their britches


This is exactly what I was going to say. My girlfreind orders Rasberry Stoli & Sprites. If we are given 7-Up instead, can we sue?

Red Bull is a victim of their own sucess. Their brand name has become synonymous with "Energy Drink" (just like Tivo and DVRs and iPods and MP3 players).
 
2006-05-25 03:38:36 PM  
There is a ridiculous amount of backdoor discussions that go on in even the smallest bars as distributors fight for visibility. Red Bull probably already made a hefty contribution to the GM's coke fund and the owner's boat and they would just like to see a return on their investment.
 
2006-05-25 03:49:19 PM  
The beverage company claims Sports Column bartenders lied repeatedly when customers asked whether their drinks were mixed with Red Bull. Instead, the lawsuit claims the customers were served Roaring Lion, an imitation described as a cheaper product designed to tap Red Bull's market share.

That's not so bad, if I was a bartender and someone asked for Red Bull in a drink, I'd probably throw them the fark out.
 
2006-05-25 04:03:17 PM  
The Homer Tax nailed it. What's next, me suing my cubemate when I ask for a Kleenex and I get a Kirkland brand tissue?
 
2006-05-25 04:07:58 PM  
The Homer Tax, Gig103

Actually you guys got this the wrong way, it's not the patrons suing because they were misled. It's Red Bull suing because their product was not given when requested.

I'm willing to bet the patrons didn't even notice.

This would be like Coke suing your local pub for serving out Rum with Pepsi if you asked for a Rum and Coke.
 
2006-05-25 04:13:17 PM  
onecanshort: This would be like Coke suing your local pub for serving out Rum with Pepsi if you asked for a Rum and Coke.


I know the difference, I was just hoping to catch a ride on the unnecessary lawsuit train. It is the same as Coke suing a bar for giving pepsi when patrons order a Rum and Coke, and it's just as asinine of a lawsuit as well.
 
2006-05-25 04:15:12 PM  
it's just as asinine of a lawsuit as well.

Whatever happened to that bill that was introduced with really innane and frivolous lawsuits where if the judge saw fit, he could impose a fine for the plantiff wasting the courts time and the taxpayers money? This would be an ideal case.
 
2006-05-25 04:35:38 PM  
The Homer Tax: Red Bull is a victim of their own sucess. Their brand name has become synonymous with "Energy Drink" (just like Tivo and DVRs and iPods and MP3 players).

That part is still correct IMO.
 
2006-05-25 04:55:38 PM  
Piss manufacturers considering similar lawsuit over use of Coors

The Corona brewery is doing what now?
 
2006-05-25 05:18:52 PM  
The issue isn't if the drink is "worthy" (I've never tried a Red Bull), or even if another drink is a suitable substitute.

The issue is that people ordered a specific brand and PAID for that specific brand and were given another, less expensive product. It's misleading and the bar is benefiting finacially from it.

They are perfectly capable of saying "We don't stock Red Bull, is Roaring Lion okay?". They don't because they know people don't know the brand.
 
2006-05-25 05:29:09 PM  
They are perfectly capable of saying "We don't stock Red Bull, is Roaring Lion okay?". They don't because they know people don't know the brand.

Check this out:


In fact, one particular competitor, known as Roaring Lion, offers bar owners a much more economically sound alternative in that it sells its beverage in the form of a concentrated syrup, to be used with the bartender's seltzer tap. This saves bar owners plenty of money, as Red Bull still only come pre-mixed in the can or bottle at a much higher price. Roaring Lion tastes virtually identical to Red Bull, and when mixed with alcohol, it may as well be the same exact thing. If you've gone to a bar and asked for a Red Bull drink, at which time the bartender shot it out of his or her seltzer gun, you were drinking Roaring Lion.


Bars do the same exact thing with soda, you never actually get coke or pepsi from a bar tap, it's just the syrup mixed with the bars syrup, same damn thing.
 
2006-05-25 06:23:11 PM  
We're pissed!

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M-G
2006-05-25 06:24:17 PM  
Not asinine. This is a simple trademark case. As a trademark holder, Red Bull North America has to protect its trademark. It's the same reason that people in restaurants are trained to ask you if another brand is OK instead of just bringing it to you when you request the competitor's product.
 
2006-05-25 06:24:23 PM  
Drink yer damn drink and STFU!
 
2006-05-25 06:24:40 PM  
In the 90s there was this great rumor that Coors did the same exact thing - make beer syrup in their labs in Colorado, then mix it with seltzer water in regional canning facilities. Made a lot of sense - much less liquid to truck around, largely immune to transport theft, and it's Coors - how much worse can it get?
 
2006-05-25 06:24:56 PM  
"Mr. Pibb? That farker didn't even get his degree!"
 
2006-05-25 06:25:41 PM  
The Homer Tax: I know the difference, I was just hoping to catch a ride on the unnecessary lawsuit train. It is the same as Coke suing a bar for giving pepsi when patrons order a Rum and Coke, and it's just as asinine of a lawsuit as well.

Sue Suuue!
 
2006-05-25 06:26:15 PM  
aecarol: I've never tried a Red Bull

Remember Tahiti Treat? Like that, but 10x the price.
 
2006-05-25 06:26:31 PM  
I rarely favor dumbass lawsuits, but this actually makes sense to me. It's like asking for a Sam Adams and Getting a Miller High Life and not being told otherwise.
 
2006-05-25 06:27:00 PM  
2006-05-25 05:29:09 PM onecanshort

Bars do the same exact thing with soda, you never actually get coke or pepsi from a bar tap, it's just the syrup mixed with the bars syrup, same damn thing.

Um, yeah, but it is (nearly) always Coke or Pepsi brand syrup. Red Bull's problem is that people are ordering Red Bull by name and getting a different product which the bar is passing off as Red Bull.
 
2006-05-25 06:28:01 PM  
Roaring Lion gives you wings ! the runs !
 
2006-05-25 06:28:29 PM  
The only issue I see is that apparantlly Univeristy of Iowa students order cocktails that contain any sort of energy drink.
 
2006-05-25 06:29:19 PM  
Not quite off topic:

A few weeks back, a friend and I went to a bar in Lubbock to have a few beers and play some NTN trivia. My buddy was pretty tired, so he asked for a Red Bull(tm).

The waitress replied that instead of Red Bull(tm), they had Matador, a similar drink that they used because they could dispense it using the bartender's gun thingamajig. My friend says, "That'll do just fine."

A couple minutes later she brings back, I shiat you not, a LARGE iced tea glass FULL of the stuff. We ended up splitting it, because it was too much faux-Red Bull(tm) for him by himself, and man, we were bouncing off the farking walls about 20 minutes later...

MORAL: Sometimes generics can be FAR more interesting than the brand name product...
 
2006-05-25 06:29:30 PM  

Cuz when Craig's in sight
We'll party all damn night.
I don't turn water into wine
But into cold Coors Light.
I'm not my brother, I know,
Don't walk on H2O
But I got hydroponic shiat that me and Judas grow.
 
2006-05-25 06:29:32 PM  
Red bull tastes like Robitussin cough medicine.
 
2006-05-25 06:29:36 PM  
Many times you won't be getting Pepsi instead of Coke in a "rum and coke" you are probably getting some generic cola that the distributor sells, along with some rotgut rum if it comes from the gun.
I'm looking at you Las Vegas!

BTW Golfclap to Submitter
 
2006-05-25 06:30:11 PM  
While I agree that a lawsuit over this may be a bit extreme, as a paying customer I expect to get what I asked for. I've done the rounds in the energy drink arena, and am a hard-core Red Bull devotee. I need to try this Roaring Lion, but in every other case, I can immediately tell the difference.
/I'll have a Train Wreck, thanks.
//That's a Jager Bomb in two acts.
///Wishes Red Bull came on tap...
////slashies!
 
2006-05-25 06:30:26 PM  
I tried that stuff once and first thing I thought it, "I just paid $2 for 8 ounces of a variation of Mountain Dew." What a rip off.
 
2006-05-25 06:30:40 PM  
To all of you saying that the whole Coke vs. Pepsi routine is similar in the context of a "rum and coke", consider this:

Coke is a proprietary eponym, just like kleenex, band-aid, etc. Many people in the US, myself included, call all carbonated drinks "coke". "What kind of coke do you want?"

"Red Bull" is not a proprietary eponym for energy drink.
 
2006-05-25 06:30:43 PM  
2006-05-25 06:29:19 PM cycotica

MORAL: Sometimes generics can be FAR more interesting than the brand name product...

Infinitely cheaper and just as good as the real thing (usually these days).
 
2006-05-25 06:32:47 PM  
Wasn't red bull mad that bars were mixing their drink with alcohol in the first place?
 
2006-05-25 06:33:18 PM  
cyberlost: "Red Bull" is not a proprietary eponym for energy drink.


Good point but arguable. I think their marketing might have worked too well for their own good.
 
2006-05-25 06:33:22 PM  
Coors is way better than Budweiser people!


Red Bull is horrible.
 
2006-05-25 06:33:58 PM  
Hm, nowhere on Red Bull's website do I see drink recipes. Thus, all of the drinks created with Red Bull are customer or bar created and since Red Bull doesn't endorse or provide official drink recipes, they need to have themselves a drink of STFU (which I would expect tastes like oblivion, which tastes like Red Bull which is disgusting).

/Hooray RvB reference!
//SoBe Adrenaline > Red Bull
///Jager + Rockstar FTW
 
2006-05-25 06:34:41 PM  
2006-05-25 06:30:40 PM cyberlost

Coke is a proprietary eponym, just like kleenex, band-aid, etc. Many people in the US, myself included, call all carbonated drinks "coke". "What kind of coke do you want?"

Hmm. I think most people use "coke" to refer to cola type drinks for the most part. Other types of pop get to be called by their appropriate names.
 
2006-05-25 06:35:55 PM  
But what happens if the drink is mixed with urine from an actual red bull?
 
2006-05-25 06:36:25 PM  
wydok:
It's like asking for a Sam Adams and Getting a Miller High Life and not being told otherwise.


OTOH, if you're ordering Sam Adams, you likely wouldn't notice the difference.


/I keeed, I keeed
 
2006-05-25 06:36:31 PM  
Rogh-sensei:

I need to try this Roaring Lion, but in every other case, I can immediately tell the difference.


I am also a pretty hard-core Red Bull(tm) devotee, but the Matador stuff I mentioned above is a pretty damned good substitute...
 
2006-05-25 06:36:52 PM  
cyberlost
Many people in the US, myself included, call all carbonated drinks "coke".

Yes, and for doing so you should be shot in the face.
 
2006-05-25 06:36:59 PM  
2006-05-25 06:33:58 PM CheezeAnvil

Hm, nowhere on Red Bull's website do I see drink recipes. Thus, all of the drinks created with Red Bull are customer or bar created and since Red Bull doesn't endorse or provide official drink recipes, they need to have themselves a drink of STFU (which I would expect tastes like oblivion, which tastes like Red Bull which is disgusting).

Most people order using the words "Vodka and Red Bull" and end up with vodka and tastes-kinda-like-red-bull-brand energy drink. That's the problem Red Bull is having.
 
2006-05-25 06:37:25 PM  
Sorry, I have to side with red bull on this one. If you order a red bull you want a red bull. Red Bull also costs many times more than cola and other mixers and bars tend to charge a premium for it as such. I have also never had anything that tastes quite like red bull.
 
2006-05-25 06:38:13 PM  
2006-05-25 06:35:55 PM yotta

But what happens if the drink is mixed with urine from an actual red bull?

You mean that isn't what Red Bull is?
 
2006-05-25 06:39:01 PM  
onecanshort: Bars do the same exact thing with soda, you never actually get coke or pepsi from a bar tap, it's just the syrup mixed with the bars syrup, same damn thing.

It is actual Coke or Pepsi syrup though, it comes in a larger quivalent of wine-in-a-box type things (at leat in the UK anyway).
 
2006-05-25 06:39:22 PM  
Red Bull is ass.
Rockstar Juice is the shizznit.
 
2006-05-25 06:39:43 PM  
Major Thomb

Good point but arguable. I think their marketing might have worked too well for their own good.

To some extent, I agree. Red Bull is by far the most popular energy drink, but let me ask you this:

If your friend offered you a Red Bull and gave you a Tab energy drink, would you think to yourself, "This isn't a Red Bull!"

Besides that, the fact that the bartenders blatantly lied when specifically questioned if it was in fact Red Bull in the drink doesn't sit well with me. If I ordered a rum and coke and asked the bartender if it was really coke in the drink, any bartender would tell you if it was Coke, Pepsi, RC, etc.
 
2006-05-25 06:40:09 PM  
Red Bull tastes like vitamins mixed with ass.

/but I like it.
 
2006-05-25 06:40:13 PM  
Red Bull should STUF and just be thankful that most of their gullible customers haven't found out it's nothing but caffeinated sugar water. The other 'exotic' ingredients are ineffectual.
 
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