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2006-05-24 12:56:03 PM
Great headline.
 
2006-05-24 12:59:57 PM
In 1928, Justice Louis Brandeis wrote that the real threat to American freedom was not from an outside assault, but from the devious manipulations of our own misguided leaders. "The greatest dangers to liberty," he observed, "lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning, but without understanding."
 
2006-05-24 01:01:49 PM
"House Speaker Dennis Hastert demanded Wednesday that the FBI surrender documents and other items agents seized on Capitol Hill in what lawmakers said was an unconstitutional raid. "I think those materials ought to be returned," said Hastert, adding that the FBI agents involved "ought to be frozen out of that (case) for the sake of the Constitution."


.... ?


Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Hastert.
 
2006-05-24 01:02:18 PM
sidus: Great headline.

Seconded.
 
2006-05-24 01:03:01 PM
Boy, Hastert sure does have an impressive wattle going on there.
 
2006-05-24 01:04:32 PM
The Homer Tax: Seconded.

Thirded!
 
2006-05-24 01:05:36 PM
Someone help me out. Where in the Constitution is anything written about Congressional offices being off limits to searches when a warrant has been issued?
 
2006-05-24 01:05:37 PM
Democrats and Republicans can finally agree on one constitutional rights issue: namely that information about corrupt politicians could hurt EVERYONE in the House.

Don't get me wrong, I think we're teetering dangerously close to the edge in this nation with the government's woeful disregard for individual rights. I just think it's pretty amusing that all these Congressmen and women are now crying rights-violations, when it's obvious they're just scared to death that their own reputations will be ruined. Hey, if WE don't get the protection of the US Constitution, neither do YOU, biatches!
 
2006-05-24 01:05:43 PM
That pesky $90000.00 in the freezer... That will get you everytime.

/Way togo Submitter great headline.
 
2006-05-24 01:06:27 PM
speech and debate clause

They shall in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place

it says, "except...felony"
 
2006-05-24 01:06:53 PM
*frantically searches for a "Simpsons" cartoon image version of Hastert, to go along with the homer-but wattle comment*
 
2006-05-24 01:09:34 PM
You dumbasses signed the Patriot Act, now live with it like the rest of us.
 
2006-05-24 01:10:27 PM
What rights.
 
2006-05-24 01:12:54 PM
Can I just repeat what I said in a thread yesterday about how Congrescritters should be subject to weekly drug tests, cavity searches for bombs, and NSA wiretaps? They should be the first to have their rights violated, not the last.
 
2006-05-24 01:13:28 PM
I don't know if we're even going to get a flamewar on this one. Jefferson's clearly, obviously corrupt, the FBI followed proper procedure and caught him dead to rights, and everyone agrees he's a scumbag except: Congress.

November 7th, ladies and gents. Earlier if you've still got your primary coming up.
 
2006-05-24 01:13:43 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: Someone help me out. Where in the Constitution is anything written about Congressional offices being off limits to searches when a warrant has been issued?

I believe it's the little-known "I am above the Law!" Amendment*.

*only applies to lawmakers.
 
2006-05-24 01:14:57 PM
Can I just repeat what I said in a thread yesterday about how Congrescritters should be subject to weekly drug tests, cavity searches for bombs, and NSA wiretaps? They should be the first to have their rights violated, not the last.

Seconded!

On top of that, let's demand that ALL people who enter the White House be submitted to full cavity searches.

Even the president and his staff.

Especially the president and his staff.
 
2006-05-24 01:17:42 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: Where in the Constitution is anything written about Congressional offices being off limits to searches when a warrant has been issued?

It doesn't. This isn't a separation of powers issue all and they know it. If Hastert, Frist and Boehner really want to know why the conservative base has had it with the GOP, they need look no further than the runaway spending in Congress, their weak-kneed approach to the illegal immigration issue, and their own elitist defense of things like this Jefferson case.
 
2006-05-24 01:21:16 PM
Gwendolyn: You dumbasses signed the Patriot Act, now live with it like the rest of us.

Well... I believe lawmakers voted for it, not signed it ...however, you are otherwise correct. They voted for it, so they can get shafted like the rest of us.
 
2006-05-24 01:24:17 PM
Oh, and as for the congresscritters, here's my thoughts:

If you've committed a crime, be prepared for the consequences. Americans need to stop voting for the corrupt just because of political party. Vote them out, whether it be in the primaries, or in the general election.
 
2006-05-24 01:24:40 PM
Patriot Act

I like how they called it the Patriot Act, it's like calling a a big fat dude "Tiny"
 
2006-05-24 01:24:59 PM
"I think those materials ought to be returned," said Hastert, adding that the FBI agents involved "ought to be frozen out of that (case) for the sake of the Constitution."


www.ibiblio.org

Please, won't someone think of the children constitution?
 
2006-05-24 01:26:24 PM
dj4aces: Americans need to stop voting for the corrupt just because of political party. Vote them out, whether it be in the primaries, or in the general election.


we need to eat healthier, quit smoking, and drive sensibly also. Good luck with any of it.
 
2006-05-24 01:27:16 PM
Nice headline, sad state of affairs.
 
2006-05-24 01:29:03 PM
Mordant

You forgot to mention to get the hell out of the passing lane.
 
2006-05-24 01:29:31 PM
Mordant: Good luck with any of it.

I'm an optimist. Apparently, this is a flaw. I should just accept it and move on.
 
2006-05-24 01:30:02 PM
What is it about being Speaker of the Louse (sp intended) that makes one into a fatass? Or did Tip never really die? The resemblance is scary!
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2006-05-24 01:30:10 PM
Mordant: we need to eat healthier, quit smoking, and drive sensibly also. Good luck with any of it.

Well, *I*, for one, errrr...don't smoke.
 
2006-05-24 01:31:42 PM
dj4aces: I should just accept it and move on.


ok, but be sure not to block the passing line while moving on.
 
2006-05-24 01:31:52 PM
Umm...hello? There were no Constitutional Rights violated in the first place. The FBI caught a man breaking a law. Not one of those pesky "no spitting on the sidewalk" misdemeanors...nope. He committed a felony. They issued a properly exectued search warrant. I don't even think they used some secret court to get it.
 
2006-05-24 01:32:01 PM
*sniff*
Feeling the love amongst TFers across the political spectrum.
 
2006-05-24 01:34:35 PM
vote for a 3rd party in the next election
 
2006-05-24 01:35:02 PM
As much fun as it is to make fun of these hypocritical crybabies, it's a very bad idea to have the executive branch raiding Congressional offices. See: Nixon's plumbers.

Now if they were only this upset about the zillion other constitutional tresspasses engaged by this administration.
 
2006-05-24 01:36:00 PM
They are treated better than us, I mean, at least there was an actual warrant served and not just some secret break in while they were away.
 
2006-05-24 01:36:36 PM
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales tried to strike a conciliatory tone, saying, "We have a great deal of respect for the Congress as a coequal branch of government."

he later added... "AHAHAHAHAHAhaha, no really, I mean it"
 
2006-05-24 01:36:46 PM
I would like to vote 3rd party, except that the 3rd party is the Green Party / Libertarian Party and they are a bunch of whackos. I like some of their ideas, but others are just out there and are completely impractical. I'll vote for them anyway.
 
2006-05-24 01:37:31 PM
Mordant: ok, but be sure not to block the passing line while moving on.

You got it.

/Which one? I-75/85 has quite a few passing lanes...
www.tfmr.zerobrains.com
 
2006-05-24 01:38:19 PM
vernonFL: I would like to vote 3rd party, except that the 3rd party is the Green Party / Libertarian Party and they are a bunch of whackos.

They said the same about the Republicans until Lincoln came along.
 
2006-05-24 01:38:59 PM
it's a very bad idea to have the executive branch raiding Congressional offices.

What if the Congressman whose offices being searched is on tape getting a bribe?

Rememeber that dude Gary Condit? Did his offices get searched? After all, he was a suspect in a murder after all.
 
2006-05-24 01:42:05 PM
vernonFL: Rememeber that dude Gary Condit? Did his offices get searched? After all, he was a suspect in a murder after all.

I don't believe he did... they searched his home, not office.

What if the Congressman whose offices being searched is on tape getting a bribe?
This is not, traditionally, the way the Feds have handled investigations of congresscritters...
If nothing else, it was dumb of them to piss off congress in a year the R's are already unhappy with the prez
 
2006-05-24 01:43:13 PM
vote for a 3rd party in the next election

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Yes, I know the third parties won't take anything big (though it'd be great if that did happen). Call it an investment- you give them the support now, they're then able to raise the needed funds to where they can make a serious run next time around, where they might actually win. If you don't like anyone on the ballot, invest the vote in a party you'd like to see make an impact.
 
2006-05-24 01:45:36 PM
I don't think the Greens or Libs are any crazier than the Repubs or Dems. Any political ideal put forth 100% without opposition is terrible. Look around at what's been happening without any strong opposition to the GOP in 6 years.
 
2006-05-24 01:46:03 PM
I would like to vote 3rd party, except that the 3rd party is the Green Party / Libertarian Party and they are a bunch of whackos.

general rule: third parties are always a bunch of wackos, even when they achieve success, like the perotistas
 
2006-05-24 01:46:23 PM
As much as I hate to side with D_I_A et al, can someone tell me again how this was not a legitimate part of a criminal investigation?

...

'course, I notice no one's busting down the doors of the scads of Republicans under investigation for various crimes.

/whew, that's better
 
2006-05-24 01:48:20 PM
mr_bunny: They said the same about the Republicans until Lincoln came along.

Which are modern-day Democrats.

/Don't believe me? Look it up.
 
2006-05-24 01:48:21 PM
I don't think the Greens or Libs are any crazier than the Repubs or Dems. Any political ideal put forth 100% without opposition is terrible. Look around at what's been happening without any strong opposition to the GOP in 6 years.

And that's when you wish for proportional representation.
 
2006-05-24 01:49:09 PM
Gosling: Call it an investment- you give them the support now,


Yeah, worked out great in 2000.

vernonFL: Did his offices get searched?

IIRC this is the first time in history that a Congressperson's office has been searched... publicly.
 
2006-05-24 01:49:33 PM
Gosling: Yes, I know the third parties won't take anything big (though it'd be great if that did happen). Call it an investment-

Exactly, you get farkers who think just because we have yet to have a 3rd party president that 3rd parties are not viable, they ignore the fact that we have had 3rd party senators, governors, congress men, mayors.

We haven't have a black guy or a woman president yet either but I doubt many people would say that makes it an impossibility.
 
2006-05-24 01:50:27 PM
Yeah, worked out great in 2000.

Yeah, don't you love that electoral college?
 
2006-05-24 01:50:48 PM
dj4aces: Don't believe me? Look it up.

I'm well aware that over time the Republicans have morphed to the stance they now hold. No empire lasts forever, and I think they should go back and do a little reading about fiddles and a guy named Nero.

*shrugs*
 
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