What's the betting the guy who wrote the article is biased?

... plus I'm sure I've read this idiocy recently on TF. Maybe that was somebody else though.

I find it quite humorous how people who beleive in God cannot understand how people who don't can still have morals. I know some atheist who still think Karma can be a biatch.

Sorry, you're wrong.

I'm not anti-religion by any means, but you are wrong.

Kindness and unselfish love - how about those? Then we'll be getting somewhere.

Blind belief or faith is the ultimate evil.

Oh I don't know about that. Alcohol does a great job at reining in the darker elements that haunt my soul.

So now it's time to kill all of those atheists for the greater good.

right?

Don't you need to believe in a soul, to have darker elephants haunting it?

kronicfeld: I am more impressed by people who are good and moral without having to base their morality on arbitrary, irrational dogma.

Yyyyyep!

I believe in higher Beings, submitter, because humans are *not* at the top of the food chain, but your headline confuses me greatly.
I think I will go have a sweat and ponder how many bong hits you took before submitting.

The real secret is that there is no alternative to believing in higher beings. Even atheists reify concepts, and in so doing betray their non-cognitive, non-critical adherence to controlling axiologies. Wherein their principles derive, they cannot satisfactorily answer. However, because they deny that they are under the sway of logocentrism, they maintain the pretension of having arrived at their expressions in a substantially more scientific manner. They are assholes.

Why do so many religious people seem to absolutely need the threat of supernatural retribution in order to behave like civilized human beings?

It scares me that there are some people in this world who aren't raping, pillaging, and murdering SOLELY because they think they'll burn in eternal hellfire. You have to wonder what goes through this guy's twisted-ass mind in the wee hours of the morning.

ejsmammy: The real secret is that there is no alternative to believing in higher beings. Even atheists reify concepts, and in so doing betray their non-cognitive, non-critical adherence to controlling axiologies.

Oh no you didn't!

sick the 5th Element on the evil

I am glad to know I'm evil because I have no faith in a higher being.

Now, to deal with that school bus full of children with my RPG.

kronicfeld: Did you copy that from TimeCube or the Dr. Bonner's Soap bottle?

You are an educated singularity idiot who
can stupidily deny Nature's Harmonic 4
simultaneous 24 hour days within a single
rotation of Earth, or even make parody of
the Cubic Creation Principle - but your
mental ability to comprehend the greatest
social and scientific discovery of all human
existence has been lobotomized by the evil
academic singularity bastards hired to
destroy your ability to think opposite.

If there is a higher being, why would it create humans with darker elements?

My name is Gene Ray. I represent a
Power that transcends power of God.

That Supreme Power is in Nature's
Harmonic Simultaneous Perpetual
4X4 =16 Corner Rotating Principle
4-Day Time Cube - Ineffable Truth.

If you place a child in a room and in
the hands of a Word God, the child
will suffer severe loneliness and will
starve to death. God is Word fiction.

Until the fictitious Word of the Adult
cloned God entity is cornered,ineffable
Truth is squared, and the Earthsphere
Life is Cubed ... math and science of
religion and academia are adult scams
and constitute crimes against children.
No genius has the Wisdom of a Cubic.


Gene Ray

This article is a gem:

Some of my best friends - okay, one or two - are atheists. Stranded on a desert island, I would prefer the company of any of them to Osama's.

But if my choice of island partner were between two strangers about whom I know only that one believes there is no higher reason for human life and the other that there is, I know which one I'd choose.

At least his friends know he thinks a little bit more of them than he does of Osama.

Alicious: If there is a higher being, why would it create humans with darker elements?

It's called Free Will.

Not the dolphin.

2006-05-21 06:09:19 PM ejsmammy


The real secret is that there is no alternative to believing in higher beings. Even atheists reify concepts, and in so doing betray their non-cognitive, non-critical adherence to controlling axiologies. Wherein their principles derive, they cannot satisfactorily answer. However, because they deny that they are under the sway of logocentrism, they maintain the pretension of having arrived at their expressions in a substantially more scientific manner. They are assholes.

Nonsense. There's a massive difference between abstract personification and actually believing in a deity. Just because you don't want to believe it's logical doesn't make you right.

And I have no idea what logocentric means, but I hope it has something to do with boobs. Because I like boobs.

ejsmammy: The real secret is that there is no alternative to believing in higher beings. Even atheists reify concepts, and in so doing betray their non-cognitive, non-critical adherence to controlling axiologies. Wherein their principles derive, they cannot satisfactorily answer. However, because they deny that they are under the sway of logocentrism, they maintain the pretension of having arrived at their expressions in a substantially more scientific manner. They are assholes.

Pretension indeed, motherfarker.

I'd ask you what the fark you're talking about, but I already know. The only question is why you'd present such extensively labored upon filth. Is it your intention to discourage the dullards from debate through your allegedly logical discourse? Sorry, but I am not impressed. Have you got anything to say or does you just likems to what saying logocentrism beeyatch?

It's called Free Will.

How can it be free will if you are doomed to a nasty afterlife if you don't obey the tenets of that religion?

Alicious: How can it be free will if you are doomed to a nasty afterlife if you don't obey the tenets of that religion?

Umm...that's more mind control than anything spiritual, then.

Action Replay Nick: Action Replay Nick: Why do so many religious people seem to absolutely need the threat of supernatural retribution in order to behave like civilized human beings?

You are thinking Christian again.

Jews have no retribution for sins in their afterlife, nor do hindus -persay- and Buddishts well it depends on where you are.

So basically to make your statement remotely accurate

Action Replay Nick: Why do so many religious Chistians seem to absolutely need the threat of supernatural retribution in order to behave like civilized human beings?

Action Replay Nick: Why do so many religious Muslims seem to absolutely need the threat of supernatural retribution in order to behave like civilized human beings?

Yeah.... That doesn't work. So your just holding bigotry against -some- religous people ((probably christians)) and you project that bigotry onto all people of faith.

The only higher beings i have any faith in is the Almighty Sven-Goran Eriksson and his only begotten son, Wayne Rooney.

/praise the holy metatarsal

If there is a higher being, why would it create humans with darker elements?

because struggling with the darker elements of your nature is what builds a fundemental strong foundation for your life.

kronicfield

Dr. Bronners soap is some good stuff, but the psychotic rambling written all over the bottle makes for some interesting shower reading.

ALL-IN-ONE ONENESS IN ALL ONE GODNESS ALL IN ONE!!!

There's nothing controversial about what I said.

A god is just one sort of abstract entity with abstract powers about which people talk.

There is no evidence for the existence of any concept, however, even atheists depend on concepts having permanent, non-contingent properties.

/ontologically open-minded

slidillon I know some atheist who still think Karma can be a biatch.

Then strictly speaking they are noth atheists either.

but very few people are strict atheists much the same percentages i'd imagine as those who are strict to their religous faith

further,

I wish I understood what you wrote, because it seemed passionate.

I'm afraid of darker elephants. The less-dusky elephants are OK though.

karasoth
Yeah.... That doesn't work. So your just holding bigotry against -some- religous people ((probably christians)) and you project that bigotry onto all people of faith.

Uh... no. That's basically this guy's whole argument. Without a higher power, people have no reason to be good. I happen to disagree.

2006-05-21 06:33:51 PM ejsmammy
There is no evidence for the existence of any concept, however, even atheists depend on concepts having permanent, non-contingent properties.

You remind me of the religion professor the other day who did a proof of the resurrection, and started with saying "God exists or doesn't, so the probability of his existance if 50%".

Concepts do not have equal weights of probability. Many concepts have firm evidence supporting them. God doesn't. Hiding basic misunderstanding of simple concepts behind complicated phrasing and vocab doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

In short, that kind of statement if put more simply, usually draws "put the bong down" type comments on this site.

karasoth Then strictly speaking they are noth atheists either.

Not necesarrily. For example, you're driving along safely and some asshat dangerously cuts you off. An accident is narrowly avoided, the guy speeds off, you curse his name and depend on karma to take care of him. Eventually, karma probably would, in the fact that his dangerous driving would eventually get him in trouble with the cops. Karma doesn't have to be some kind of omniprescent force, just people eventually "getting what's coming to em".

Weaver95:- The passage you extracted is simply not the case. At all. Ask any atheist if you don't believe me. We still firmly believe in good and evil.

We just know the roots of it are to do with species and individual survival. That doesn't make them any less powerful concepts to us.