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(UPI)   BellSouth denies NSA spy claims, demands retraction from USA Today, whose editors are already working up a clever pie chart to explain the confusion   (upi.com ) divider line
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2006-05-18 05:42:54 PM  
I like pie!
 
2006-05-18 05:42:58 PM  
Awesome headline. Deserves the immediate greenlight.
 
2006-05-18 05:43:06 PM  
Please!
 
2006-05-18 05:43:09 PM  
www.theonion.com
 
2006-05-18 05:43:25 PM  
Let me guess... they get to deny it because the program is classified and they can't even acknowledge it exists, so of course they had no involvement.
 
2006-05-18 05:43:55 PM  
Then where did this big NSA database everyone is crying about come from? Anyone?
 
2006-05-18 05:44:45 PM  
What? McPaper needs to spell it out for the sheep? I'm stunned.

/Hi NSA!
//Go fark yourselves you treasonous bastards.
 
2006-05-18 05:44:46 PM  
Okay, that's one of my favorite headlines ever. For some reason, I never get tired of making fun of USA Today's stupid graphics. I couldn't believe it when I heard they actually broke a story. Is that like the first time in the history of the newspaper?
 
2006-05-18 05:44:56 PM  
That and the massive incoming lawsuits, inFARKshun.
 
2006-05-18 05:45:47 PM  
So.....why did all these companies wait so long to deny anything. We know Verison waited until the were sued, but what are the others excuses?
 
2006-05-18 05:46:36 PM  
Or maybe, they've received a memo from the Feds authorizing them to lie?

Lie with impunity?
 
2006-05-18 05:46:42 PM  
I know it won't happen, but I hope every single customer pulls their accounts from these companies. I'll be voting with my dollars (buh-bye Verizon, can you hear my middle finger?).
 
2006-05-18 05:47:10 PM  
Yeah, and I noticed not one of them denied anything before they started being accused. That seems fishy, too.
 
2006-05-18 05:47:10 PM  
Huh. Could BellSouth explain that extra click I hear whenever I call people? I guess I'll have to resort to talking in code.
 
2006-05-18 05:47:36 PM  
"So.....why did all these companies wait so long to deny anything. We know Verison waited until the were sued, but what are the others excuses?"

My God! We better do something before we get sued like Verizon!
 
2006-05-18 05:48:14 PM  
Great to know that I'm not the only one who thinks the USA Today's irrelevant pie/bar graphs are dumb.
 
2006-05-18 05:48:54 PM  
These are Bush lies... have to be.
 
2006-05-18 05:49:12 PM  
inFARKshun
Let me guess... they get to deny it because the program is classified and they can't even acknowledge it exists, so of course they had no involvement.

It's pretty obvious that all three accused companies got the greenlight to out-right deny this at exactly the same time. They said nothing for weeks and then, all of a sudden, coincident with the Bush administration's own PR campaign, they all issue blanket denials.

Enjoy your corporatocracy.
 
2006-05-18 05:49:21 PM  
Could it be these companies really DIDNT give away their phone records and USA Today created a faulty story? They aren't a leading news org, they're garbage. They had to use colors and graphics to maintain subscribers.

Maybe these companies aren't lying. It wouldn't be the first time a journalist made up a BS story for political or personal agendas....
 
2006-05-18 05:51:02 PM  
Ok... well then is there actually an NSA database of phonecalls at all?
 
2006-05-18 05:51:03 PM  
It is fairly simple. The President has given them permission to lie.

we can just add it to the pile labeled "articles of impeachment"

next
 
2006-05-18 05:51:18 PM  
Randtastic: Huh. Could BellSouth explain that extra click I hear whenever I call people? I guess I'll have to resort to talking in code.

I'm pretty sure all calls to the police are recorded for many reasons. I don't really see a problem with that. If I need to call the police, privacy is the last of my worries.

NSA acquiring massive databases of phone records and tapping into internet backbones are a different story altogether, though.
 
2006-05-18 05:51:30 PM  
vanity, that's possible, but the part about Qwest receiving a request (reQwest?) for the numbers and telling them to go fark themselves or come back with a warrant seems to check out, I think.
 
2006-05-18 05:51:47 PM  
Bush is such a sucky president that I want to compare him directly to Hitler.
 
2006-05-18 05:52:12 PM  
Could be, vanity, but why provide a completely different answer than Qwest?
 
2006-05-18 05:52:17 PM  
 
2006-05-18 05:53:19 PM  
I, for one, enjoy the USA Today graphs. When they give you the papers for free at a hotel or something, even if I'm not gonna read it, I just flip through the charts.
 
2006-05-18 05:53:34 PM  
Hayden and the Whitehouse have already gone on record explaining that the domestic warrantless data mining is legal. As have other NSA officials.

at least one of these telecos must be lying now. It wouldn't be surprising if all of them are.
 
2006-05-18 05:53:42 PM  
...except you being lied to some more, of course.
 
2006-05-18 05:53:49 PM  
*if you were an expert, insider, or retiree, you wouldn't link to USA Today. You'd leak to an accredited news source with a history of excellent journalism and truth.

Leaking this to USA Today is like leaking to Highlights magazine. It's kind of startling that most of you are fairly level headed, but you've completely failed to question the source of this information. You just outright believed it b/c it's "anti-gov't"

For shame.
 
2006-05-18 05:54:30 PM  
dstaggs

Bush is such a sucky president that I want to compare him directly to Hitler.

Hitler was intelligent, a great speaker and Evil. Bush is just incompetent.
 
2006-05-18 05:55:14 PM  
Uhmmm...there should be a requirement to pass before submitting threads. The submitter should at least have some clue what he is talking about regarding the situation the article mentions.

The latest news (from a couple days ago) is that Bush has signed a law making it LEGAL for these phone companies, who have handed phone records over to the NSA, to deny and lie about it to their customers.
 
2006-05-18 05:55:53 PM  
dstaggs

Bush is such a sucky president that I want to compare him directly to Hitler.

Leadership-wise you can't compare the two because at least Hitler got his country to fight a war and he knew how to use propaganda correctly.

Genocidal-wise: Hitler has him beat, that is until Bush comes up with "Gitmo Final Solution".
 
2006-05-18 05:56:12 PM  
Bush is such a sucky president that I want to compare him directly to Hitler

Please don't compare Bush to Hitler. Let God win this battle.
 
2006-05-18 05:58:20 PM  
vanity: Leaking this to USA Today is like leaking to Highlights magazine. It's kind of startling that most of you are fairly level headed, but you've completely failed to question the source of this information. You just outright believed it b/c it's "anti-gov't"

Well, USA today isn't known for wild speculation and sensationalism. They are usually just a "me too" paper. But more telling is Qwest's response to this story. Qwest says they rebuffed the NSA. All the other telcos waited a few weeks and then said they weren't even contacted. If we believe Qwest, then it's difficult to believe the NSA and the other telcos.
 
2006-05-18 05:59:38 PM  
www.ironictimes.com

I heart the Ironic Times
 
2006-05-18 06:00:07 PM  
I know it's so hilarious to make a big joke out of this whole thing, but in reality this scandal topped with the thousands of Bush lies and his administration's cover-ups, scandals and bold face lies will go down in the history books as a pretty dark and scary time for Americans. We are only half-way through suffering from the Bush regime, and already he's been tagged as the worst president in this nation's history. Imagine what the media and authors will be saying about Bush in 20 years.

I really wish this country wasn't so goddamn ignorant and complacent so that maybe Big Brother would think twice about how far they can take their abuse of power. It's up to Americans to speak out against all these wrongs and stop letting the redneck, Bush supporting, Bible Belt keep running this country with praise and excuses for Bush.

And yeah, I'm saying this NSA scandal is Bush's fault to some extent. He is supposedly the man in control, and without his quest for "freedom" (see: raping Americans rights), this kind of shiat wouldn't be going down in this country.

The American people need to wake the fark up, and quickly. Our constitutional rights are being trimmed away right in front of us - where is the outrage? Show some of that anger and contempt you showed when Clinton got busted being a horny testosterone-fueled man.

These last 5 years have been a nightmare, and for whatever reason the media and conservative America has let it slide. It's a damn shame.
 
2006-05-18 06:00:17 PM  
Rosencrantz
Uhmmm...there should be a requirement to pass before submitting threads. The submitter should at least have some clue what he is talking about regarding the situation the article mentions.

Don't be too hard on him, submitter is just doing his part to catapult the propaganda.
 
2006-05-18 06:01:24 PM  
Qwest is also a much smaller company with less bueracracy and redtape. They can react faster b/c of that. I'm just saying lets sit and think for a minute before outright believing this. The conspiracy theories are flying, everyone is a 'liar' now, and the whole gov't is full of shiat.

Occam's Razor. Apply it here.
 
2006-05-18 06:01:25 PM  


The latest news (from a couple days ago) is that Bush has signed a law making it LEGAL for these phone companies, who have handed phone records over to the NSA, to deny and lie about it to their customers.


the May 5th directive might be valid, it hasn't been put under much scrutiny yet.

essentially, this is to provide corporate welfare. The government made an illegal request of the telecos. Some, like Qwest, said "come back with a warrant". Some weighed the benefit of kissing Whitehouse ass and decided their customer's rights were a small price to pay (perhaps for future legislative consideration), as long as they never found out. Since the government coerced them into breaking the law, they are not on the hook for criminal charges. However, without the Bush directive, they ARE on the hook against class action lawsuits.


it is all about the money.
 
2006-05-18 06:01:42 PM  
WTF? Like the phone companies needed Bush to protect them for lying to us.


Wait, wait, wait....your right....they wouldn't have lied to us anyway
 
2006-05-18 06:04:50 PM  
richfacial

So.....why did all these companies wait so long to deny anything. We know Verison waited until the were sued, but what are the others excuses?

Destroying evidence takes time....... Oh you mean what spin are they going to put on it? Totally different thing.
 
2006-05-18 06:06:06 PM  
"I know it won't happen, but I hope every single customer pulls their accounts from these companies. I'll be voting with my dollars (buh-bye Verizon, can you hear my middle finger?)."

And if USA Today was full of shiat and Verizon's telling the truth? Another "I read it in the paper, it must be true" sheep.
 
2006-05-18 06:07:07 PM  
Rockdrummer
And if USA Today was full of shiat and Verizon's telling the truth? Another "I read it in the paper, it must be true" sheep.

Then monkeys will proceed forth from betwixt my buttocks.
 
2006-05-18 06:08:26 PM  
dstaggs: Bush is such a sucky president that I want to compare him directly to Hitler.

No, Hitler saw combat.
 
2006-05-18 06:12:08 PM  
. . . a May 5th presidential memorandum permits the Director of National Intelligence (John Negroponte) to authorize a company to conceal activities related to national security.

You can't "authorize" someone else to break the law, especially if that law is the fourth amendment of the Constitution. Good luck using that argument during those class-action lawsuits, phone comapanies.
 
2006-05-18 06:12:13 PM  


And if USA Today was full of shiat and Verizon's telling the truth? Another "I read it in the paper, it must be true" sheep.


if it wasn't true, then the Presidential directive on May 5th would have been meaningless.

the timing of this memoradum is painfully suspicious, no ?
 
2006-05-18 06:12:18 PM  
www.glurt.org
 
2006-05-18 06:13:59 PM  
Anyone who believes the telcos in this situation has to be a few fries short. That said, great headline....
 
2006-05-18 06:15:27 PM  
ericjohnson0: Then where did this big NSA database everyone is crying about come from? Anyone?


Pulled out of someone's ass maybe?
 
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