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2006-05-14 01:58:12 AM  
Wilson wrote that he had been dispatched by the CIA without pay to Niger in February, 2002 to investigate an intelligence report that Iraq was seeking uranium from the African country for a nuclear bomb. Wilson said he was told Cheney had asked about the intelligence,but the White House subsequently ignored his findings debunking the Niger claims.

I wonder how Cheney could have ever doubted ole Joe? Oh wait...

Wilson had been sent to Niger on behalf of the CIA to investigate the possibility that Saddam Hussein had attempted to buy enriched uranium yellowcake. Wilson concluded then that there "was nothing to the story".

But he also reported that, although former Nigerien prime minister Ibrahim Assane Mayaki was unaware of any pending sales contract with Iraq, an Iraqi delegation had approached him in June 1999, expressing an interest in "expanding commercial relations." Mayaki believed this may have meant that they wanted to purchase yellowcake uranium, one of Niger's few exports.
 
2006-05-14 11:01:57 AM  
Dear submitter: No it doesn't.
 
2006-05-14 11:12:51 AM  
HappyDaddy: No it doesn't

Yes it does

/this could go on for a while.
 
2006-05-14 11:15:29 AM  
Newly discovered?

More like "newly reported".

Sorry HappyDaddy your boy Cheney is Fitz's next target--and has been for quite a while.
 
2006-05-14 11:15:56 AM  
Non-story: Dick Cheney is above the law.
 
2006-05-14 11:20:12 AM  
Fitzgerald Collecting Cheney's Smoking Guns

And no, I don't expect this to change your mind HappyDaddy or Snowflake Tubbybottom, this post is for the thinking participants in the thread.
 
2006-05-14 11:21:07 AM  
non-story, fitz is trying to criminalize criminals
 
2006-05-14 11:21:46 AM  
Newsweek is probably being very impartial in its reporting of this matter.

img128.imageshack.us
 
2006-05-14 11:22:49 AM  
"This is just the criminalization of treason, nothing to see here"
-Benedict Cheney
 
2006-05-14 11:22:57 AM  
Is he really not here tonight? Dammit. The one guy who could have helped.
 
2006-05-14 11:23:34 AM  
View the handwritten notes here(pops)
 
2006-05-14 11:29:14 AM  
Rove should be getting some Fitz action sometimes this week.
Will he roll on Cheney like Libby has?
Does anyone not believe this was an organized effort by Bush and Cheney? Bush is guilty for covering it up. Keeping Rove on and keeping his clearance. They had no internal investigation.
*spit*
 
2006-05-14 11:50:27 AM  
Skleenar: And no, I don't expect this to change your mind HappyDaddy or Snowflake Tubbybottom, this post is for the thinking participants in the thread.


Yes we've read those points before but none of them point to a direction that Cheney ordered a leak of her name. He may have done so but conjecture isn't evidence.

My point was that Wilson himself lied about his findings. He was sent to see if Iraq contacted Niger about buying yellowcake, and reported that they indeed had but wrote in his op-ed that they had not purchased any. No one alleged that Iraq had actually bought any yellowcake but that they sought it. It was Wilson who did the misleading.

So leave your petty insults at the door next time. If you care to refute that Wilson was focused on an objective not alleged please do so.
 
2006-05-14 11:56:17 AM  
Cheney, how 'bout Bush's Brain

Sticking neck out...


Why if Rove was indicted, hasn't the news been told?

Is this a case, similar to the Vice President of the United States shooting someone in the face, that the White House Press Secretary will not comment on, because of an on going legal action, therefore it's not a story?




/will you act the same, knowing another important story was withheld from the public by the 24/7 MSM
 
2006-05-14 11:59:48 AM  
Just throw this on the pile marked "Things that could be used to completely ruin this administration and will make a brief amount of noise befoe being forgotten about."

It's between the piles marked "OMG! Fags R tryin to destruy Amurricka!" and "Look! A burning flag!"
 
2006-05-14 12:05:29 PM  
Snowflake Tubbybottom: My point was that Wilson himself lied about his findings. He was sent to see if Iraq contacted Niger about buying yellowcake, and reported that they indeed had but wrote in his op-ed that they had not purchased any.

Links for this claim please.
 
2006-05-14 12:08:29 PM  
Hobodeluxe: Rove should be getting some Fitz action sometimes this week.

According to DU Rove was already indicted and there is a huge conspiracy by the MSM to cover it up! Funny stuff.
 
2006-05-14 12:12:13 PM  
Snowflake Tubbybottom: He was sent to see if Iraq contacted Niger about buying yellowcake, and reported that they indeed had but wrote in his op-ed that they had not purchased any. No one alleged that Iraq had actually bought any yellowcake but that they sought it. It was Wilson who did the misleading.

You make no sense. Iraq did not purchase yellowcake from Niger, and he wrote and op-ed piece that said so. How is this misleading anyone?
 
2006-05-14 12:19:39 PM  
Snowflake Tubbybottom: Wilson himself lied about his findings

Come on Tubby, get those links up mate or we'll start thinking you're not telling the truthiness of it.
 
2006-05-14 12:22:23 PM  
Snowflake Tubbybottom: y point was that Wilson himself lied about his findings.

This of course excuses our fearless leaders from any blame on OUTING AN UNDERCOVER CIA OPERATIVE. Right?
 
2006-05-14 12:28:53 PM  
Arnold T Pants
Hobodeluxe: Rove should be getting some Fitz action sometimes this week.

According to DU Rove was already indicted and there is a huge conspiracy by the MSM to cover it up! Funny stuff.


Actually I wasn't getting my info from there. The reporter who wrote that article for Truthout is not that reputable. Although the editor stands behind him on this. And he's pretty straightforward afaik. But my info is more from the reporting by NBC's Shuster and others following the case.
 
2006-05-14 12:29:34 PM  
Partisan: You make no sense. Iraq did not purchase yellowcake from Niger, and he wrote and op-ed piece that said so. How is this misleading anyone?

Because nobody ever said Iraq purchased yellowcake from Niger. That is a statement that was never made. What was said was that Iraq *attempted* to buy yellowcake from Niger, and Wilson's own testimony is part of the evidence for that. Then he turns around and says, "Saying that Iraq never attempted to buy uranium is a lie - as I told them, Iraq only attempted to buy uranium, but they weren't successful." Err, how's that again, Joe?
 
2006-05-14 12:34:16 PM  
Snowflake Tubbybottom: He was sent to see if Iraq contacted Niger about buying yellowcake, and reported that they indeed had but wrote in his op-ed that they had not purchased any.

Yeah... what Lard_Baron said. If you can show us anything more than "Well... an Iraq official was made a trip to Niger," I'll be impressed.
 
2006-05-14 12:35:32 PM  
I've never seen any proof they tried to obtain the yellowcake. Everything I've seen said the whole thing was a sham over some forged documents.
You have evidence to the contrary? Link it please I'd love to see it.
 
2006-05-14 12:36:03 PM  
Hmmmm So if Fitzy boy had suspicion cheney committed a crime related to valerie plame why no hot action on Scooter or Rove

the answer is because their isn't a provable crime

and may not be a crime at all

/but why not waste the taxpayers money
 
2006-05-14 12:41:30 PM  
Snowflake Tubbybottom

If you need more "evidence," I brought some more straws for you grasp.

www.assistireland.ie
 
2006-05-14 12:45:03 PM  
static.flickr.com
 
2006-05-14 12:45:09 PM  
Sloth_DC: Because nobody ever said Iraq purchased yellowcake from Niger. That is a statement that was never made.

But he didn't find direct evidence that Iraq asked for uraniun. Furthermore Niger refused to do any kind of trade with them anyway (because of the UN sections... but containment doesn't work, am i rite?).

Wilson reported that there was no deal between Iraq and Niger. This is a fact. He didn't frame the issue in the way Cheney, Bush & Co. would have prefered (specifically, from the "Iraq will kill you and everyone you love" angle), but so what. It doesn't make him a liar. What he did isn't half as dishonest as Bush's typical strawman ("Let me put it to you in Texan. If Al Qaeda is calling into the United States, we want to know.")
 
2006-05-14 12:52:53 PM  
Hobodeluxe: I've never seen any proof they tried to obtain the yellowcake. Everything I've seen said the whole thing was a sham over some forged documents.
You have evidence to the contrary? Link it please I'd love to see it.


Here(pops)
 
2006-05-14 12:54:34 PM  
Partisan: But he didn't find direct evidence that Iraq asked for uraniun.

So what? He was there for a week, mostly meeting with the Niger officials. Did you think they would come out and say that they were cementing a uranium deal with Iraq? His report supported the assertion in the SOTU, and did nothing to contradict it.
 
2006-05-14 12:54:51 PM  
If Saddam sent someone to try and buy a nuke at Wal*Mart, that still doesn't mean there is any chance you can actually get a nuke at Wal*Mart.
 
2006-05-14 12:56:06 PM  
HappyDaddy: Dear submitter: No it doesn't.



It ain't just a river. So go cry one.
 
2006-05-14 12:57:02 PM  
furiousxgeorge: If Saddam sent someone to try and buy a nuke at Wal*Mart, that still doesn't mean there is any chance you can actually get a nuke at Wal*Mart.

Agreed, but it would mean that the statement, "Saddam attempted to buy a nuke at Wal*Mart" would be correct.
 
2006-05-14 12:57:58 PM  
Farking Fark. One more time.

HappyDaddy: Dear submitter: No it doesn't.

www.npr.org

It ain't just a river. Now go cry me one.
 
2006-05-14 01:01:16 PM  
Sloth_DC: Because nobody ever said Iraq purchased yellowcake from Niger. That is a statement that was never made.

"The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa ."

-GWB, 1/28/03

I eagerly await your parsing.
 
2006-05-14 01:01:32 PM  
Sloth_DC: Agreed, but it would mean that the statement, "Saddam attempted to buy a nuke at Wal*Mart" would be correct.

Except that it wasn't. There is only an allegation that a representative of Saddam MIGHT HAVE* been interested in talking to Niger officials about purchasing uranium. But we know that he never did, which is why Steven Hadley confessed his lie.

* might have = unproven speculation = lack of evidence
 
2006-05-14 01:03:17 PM  
Because nobody ever said Iraq purchased yellowcake from Niger. That is a statement that was never made.

spelunking_defenestrator: "The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa ."

-GWB, 1/28/03

I eagerly await your parsing.


Is there something wrong with your screen that makes it impossible to distinguish between "B" and "S"? Sought != Bought. As I made perfectly clear in the part you didn't deign to quote me on.

Sloth_DC: What was said was that Iraq *attempted* to buy yellowcake from Niger, and Wilson's own testimony is part of the evidence for that. Then he turns around and says, "Saying that Iraq never attempted to buy uranium is a lie - as I told them, Iraq only attempted to buy uranium, but they weren't successful." Err, how's that again, Joe?
 
2006-05-14 01:03:27 PM  
nope all that says for sure is that a representative of Iraq went to Niger.

The Butler report and the senate intel report were all based off of that one meeting where they "concluded" that because Uranium was 3/4ths of Niger's exports they "must" have been meeting about Uranium.
That's a fallacy.

Butler Report: It is accepted by all parties that Iraqi officials visited Niger in 1999. The British Government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium. Since uranium constitutes almost three-quarters of Niger's exports, the intelligence was credible.


I'll bet those several sources were Israel,Britain and SIMSI (SIMSI produced those forged documents btw)

There's no proof of anything (other than a meeting)only conjecture and speculation.
 
2006-05-14 01:03:38 PM  
Sloth_DC: You know, you claim not to be a Bush Administration supporter but you echo their lies like you're a paid lackey.
 
2006-05-14 01:03:44 PM  
Anyway, there's a strong likelihood that Rove is getting indicted this week, perjury and obstruction of justice.
 
2006-05-14 01:04:31 PM  
Sloth_DC: Agreed, but it would mean that the statement, "Saddam attempted to buy a nuke at Wal*Mart" would be correct.

But if some husband of a spy then wrote an op-ed saying that "Saddam did not have a deal with Wal*Mart to purchase a nuke", you'd be justified in outing his wife... correct?
 
2006-05-14 01:04:47 PM  
Sloth_DC: "Because nobody ever said Iraq purchased yellowcake from Niger. That is a statement that was never made. What was said was that Iraq *attempted* to buy yellowcake from Niger, and Wilson's own testimony is part of the evidence for that. Then he turns around and says, "Saying that Iraq never attempted to buy uranium is a lie - as I told them, Iraq only attempted to buy uranium, but they weren't successful." Err, how's that again, Joe?"

None of which changes the fact that the President of the United States tried to scare the pants off the American people with images of mushroom clouds, etc., in a cynical attempt to justify an illegal war. End of farking story.
 
2006-05-14 01:05:17 PM  
pontechango: Except that it wasn't. There is only an allegation that a representative of Saddam MIGHT HAVE* been interested in talking to Niger officials about purchasing uranium. But we know that he never did, which is why Steven Hadley confessed his lie.

The Prime Minister of Niger himself is on record making the statement to the French that there were other buyers, like Iraq, who were willing to pay more for their uranium than the French were, but of course they would never do that because of their UN restrictions. Yes, this is an attempt on his part to shake more money out of the French, but it also a clear statement that Iraq has already made an offer better than France's.
 
2006-05-14 01:05:52 PM  
Hobodeluxe: nope all that says for sure is that a representative of Iraq went to Niger.

Exactly. The fact of the matter is that the Bush Administration desperately wanted to use the forged memo to substantiate an attack on Iraq but they were repeatedly thwarted by career professionals in the State Department and CIA.
 
2006-05-14 01:05:52 PM  
Snowflake Tubbybottom: My point was that Wilson himself lied about his findings. He was sent to see if Iraq contacted Niger about buying yellowcake, and reported that they indeed had but wrote in his op-ed that they had not purchased any. No one alleged that Iraq had actually bought any yellowcake but that they sought it. It was Wilson who did the misleading.

Until Fitzgerald starts investigating Wilson, your point is meaningless.

Cheney is in the crosshairs. And it does't matter one way or the other what Wilson did. Because what Wilson didn't do was reveal the identity of a CIA agent for petty revenge.
 
2006-05-14 01:06:23 PM  
Man, the Bush-apologists are really bad at reading comprehension.

Let's try reading this paragrpah together as a class:

an Iraqi delegation had approached him in June 1999, expressing an interest in "expanding commercial relations." Mayaki believed this may have meant that they wanted to purchase yellowcake uranium, one of Niger's few exports.

Did you read it? Good, good.

Now, let's review it sentence by sentence:

an Iraqi delegation had approached him in June 1999, expressing an interest in "expanding commercial relations."

An Iraqi delegation approached Mayaki to say that they were interested in "expanding commercial relations".

Pretty straight-forward. They said that they might like to do bussiness of some unspecified sort.

Now, let's get to the second sentence:

Mayaki believed this may have meant that they wanted to purchase yellowcake uranium, one of Niger's few exports.

Mayaki believed that this may have meant that they wanted to purchase yellowcake.

Think about it. The guy who personally MET with the Iraqis does NOT KNOW for certain if they wanted to purchase yellowcake or not.

The only way that the guy they met with wouldn't know, is if they did NOT ask straight out to buy yellowcake. If they'd actually ASKED to buy yellowcake, then he would know for certain then, wouldn't he?

The only conclusion that can be drawned form this paragraph is that the Iraqis did NOT ask to purchase yellowcake. Maybe they were thinking about asking about it at some future date... but according to this, they never even asked.

Isn't reading comprehension fun?
 
2006-05-14 01:06:35 PM  
Sloth_DC: Sought != Bought. As I made perfectly clear in the part you didn't deign to quote me on.

M-hm. Parsing. The intention wasn't to present factual information, it was to give the impression of factual information. Bush's speeches in the leadup to Iraq were full of these statements, enough gusto to leave the *impression* that Saddam was, say, in league with Satan, but enough wiggle room to opt out with an "I didn't say that, what I said was..."

"Truthiness".

Weasel-talk.
 
2006-05-14 01:07:54 PM  
Sloth_DC: Yes, this is an attempt on his part to shake more money out of the French, but it also a clear statement that Iraq has already made an offer better than France's.

This is a contradiction, even if the whole thing isn't made up.
 
2006-05-14 01:08:45 PM  
Sloth_DC: The Prime Minister of Niger himself is on record making the statement to the French that there were other buyers, like Iraq, who were willing to pay more for their uranium than the French were, but of course they would never do that because of their UN restrictions.

That's still based on empty speculation. That says nothing about the Iraqi government actively trying to purchase quantities of uranium from Niger.
 
2006-05-14 01:09:06 PM  
and no one ever addresses what Iraq was supposedly going to enrich the uranium in. Iraq had a lot of yellowcake already. Although it was under IAEA seal. Still if they were goign to pursue their nuclear program don't you think they would have had breeder reactors,centrifuges etc.. built before purchasing the yellowcake?
 
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