If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(UPI)   Diebold quickly becoming the Microsoft of the electronic-voting world, with latest glitch in its touch-screen machines called "the most severe security flaw ever discovered in a voting system"   (washtimes.com) divider line 92
    More: Obvious  
•       •       •

7197 clicks; posted to Main » on 12 May 2006 at 1:08 PM (8 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



92 Comments   (+0 »)
   

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2006-05-12 02:06:36 PM
I swear that I will be an activist on Monday but I'm too depressed right now

This sentence more than any other encapsulates the zeitgeist of what's left of liberalism in America. I'm not being sarcastic at all, I truly believe that this is painful, but beautiful.

Anyone who doesn't think that Diebold and this issue demand the attention of every last living human being in this country has absolutely no right whatsoever in this or any universe to call themselves American.

Diebold needs to be dragged into the town square of every channel and news outlet in the nation and probed until we hit the back of their teeth.
 
2006-05-12 02:06:50 PM
The farking things are written in Microsoft Access. Even Microsoft doesn't use Access for anything important.
 
2006-05-12 02:09:16 PM
I love computers... but not to vote on.
 
2006-05-12 02:11:00 PM
yah seriously, the last flaw we got the wrong president
 
2006-05-12 02:11:29 PM
www.aboyandhiscomputer.com
 
2006-05-12 02:11:56 PM
fark 'em . Next election I don't get my way I gonna start shooting.
/i am an ass
//do you people really think there is a democratic election in the U.S.?
///what is this electoral college you speak of?
////you mean my vote doesn't really matter anyway?
/////you mean some asshat could just up and change his mind in my district and then everyone here that voted didn't matter?
\yep.
 
2006-05-12 02:14:13 PM
Newsbreak from poll-land: 65% of Amurikans think that it o.k. for the government to assrape the constitution if it means little Johnny can't be corrupted by the turrists on MySpace.
 
2006-05-12 02:18:37 PM
The RepublicanDiebold company refused to sell Leon County voting machines costing the county 3 million in Fed "HAVA" grants. Our Sup. of Elections uncovered (very publicly) the problem with the Diebold system. Take my word for it the Diebold company is evil. If you know someone who works for Diebold tell 'em Daniel Poone thinks you're a deeck.
 
2006-05-12 02:27:33 PM
I am sooooo getting drunk tonight.
 
2006-05-12 02:31:59 PM
So is this a new disastrous bug, or one that wasn't noticed and/or mentioned yet?
 
2006-05-12 02:33:10 PM
No_one_Special - I wrote that with full awareness of what you rightly pointed out. Sadly, it is the way I feel right now, and I am aware of how sad that is.

really. I promise I'll be better on Monday.
 
2006-05-12 02:33:58 PM
I will mention once again that the full moon is the source of our problems. We need to go up there and spin it around so that the bright side is facing away from us.
 
2006-05-12 02:36:17 PM
so.....when's the revolution?
 
2006-05-12 02:37:48 PM
www.geekazon.com
 
2006-05-12 02:38:10 PM
For more info go to http://www.bradblog.com/
 
2006-05-12 02:39:50 PM
Also, i'd bet you would be surprised (or maybe not) at how many politicians own stock in Diebold. I know Blackwell does - the untrustworthy bastard.
 
2006-05-12 02:46:53 PM
The plan is to make voting as unpleasant and frustrating as possible so people will not do it. This bullsh*t with Tuesday polling that closes before most people make it home from work and paperless ballots is ridiculous. Even Iraq, which is about the size of California keeps it's polls open for a couple days on the weekend.

/end of rant
 
2006-05-12 02:48:31 PM
ioftiger TotalFark

There's a (redacted) how-to guide on stealing elections via this particular method here:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/BBVtsxstudy.pdf

Good link, must read. Short version: There are several almost totally negligent security flaws on the machine. Completly hackable with open slots, unsealed motherboard, simple and easy to open case, several OS backdoors, and the wierd one, a hidden button accessable to anyone who uses the machine that is supposidly a battery test.

We elect the most powerful man in the world on a ClecoVision?
 
2006-05-12 03:35:46 PM
Someone post the graphics howing the disparity between actual election results and exit polls, in states with diebold machines, and states without, again.

Scariest graphs ever (if you value the integrity of the constitution)
 
2006-05-12 03:38:52 PM
Wow. I truly expected apologists to be out in force and these days they seem to be few and far between on Fark.

From the report:

"Other mechanisms exist in addition to the PCMCIA card for replacement of the Windows CE operating system. Network awareness also enables a configuration where the Windows CE image will be downloaded from a remote network device. While not the focus of this document, the protocol seems to be standard and lacking implementation of security features."

Rough translation based on this and surrounding info: if there's any kind of networking, the OS and the software can also be changed *remotely*, repeatedly, leaving no forensic evidence (remember, this is all on flash media, not hard drives) whatsoever.

This isn't over until the code is decompiled. And Diebold has about as much claim to their IP for this purpose as Jeep had to their design patents in WWII (hint: the government gave the blueprints to the other car companies and said too bad, it's wartime).
 
2006-05-12 03:47:28 PM
-->Roscoe_P_Coletrain

yay looks like dems win in 2008! oh wait...
 
2006-05-12 03:52:40 PM
Black Box Voting Machines Change Party Preferences
ustogether.org
ustogether.org

In case you're confused by this "cross party" term:
At first you might want to dismiss the alleged inconsistencies on the basis that touch screens were installed in more Republican areas.
This is an analysis of, regardless of the proportions of registered Republicans vs Democrats in a county, in the 2000/2004 elections the touch screens show a trend of Democrats crossing party lines to vote Republican, whereas scanned paper ballots show the exact opposite- Republicans leaned towards Democrat candidates.

In short, there is a 8.9% discrepancy in the way Republicans and Democrats votes were reported on touch screens vs paper ballots.
 
2006-05-12 04:04:51 PM
I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories and never believed in the aligator in the sewer story and other urban myths...

but it's so obvious the last 2 elections were fraudulent.. it's so scarry that dubaya's in power for 8 years transforming the world greatest democarcy and brightest beacon of freedom into the Evil Empire. And we have no Jedis to stop him.

It's so sad, really.

Americans, why do you let it happen?

Enough of money-controlled politics!!!

hundreds of years ago we realized the folly of a church-state and we separated those two... things.
An economy-state is probably an even bigger folly.

a government's currency should be ethics. Campaigning for votes should be outlawed. Instead, the candidates should present a written memo with their track records and their plan of government. Siad memos are to be reviewed by the opponents for inacuracies, and then released to the public. That's it.

Fark big oil. fark food-company lobbyists. Why wait for the reconstruction after a nuclear devastation to reform? Reform now!

damnit.
 
2006-05-12 04:18:18 PM
How the hell do they screw up voting programming? That's gotta be the simplest thing in the world to program.
 
2006-05-12 04:32:38 PM

2006-05-12 01:21:49 PM Hogwasher


Diebold is a fine example of the government being presuaded by the corporatocracy to buy something it doesn't need and which doesn't work with your tax dollars.

Get an initiative on the ballot for your next election. "This state will use only paper ballots, counted by hand."


Unfortunately that's been tried already. In Ohio, Home of Deibold, last year there were a slate of four ballot reform referndums that would have ended Gerrymandering and required new security standards and paper tails for all voting machines.

Pre -election polling show all the measures likely to pass by double digit margins

Election day came and the people voted. Unfortunately most on the very Deibold machines the reform would have outlawed.

When the results were "tallied" guess what?

Mysteriously, all four measures failed.
 
2006-05-12 04:34:21 PM
"Glitch"?
 
2006-05-12 04:36:54 PM
diebold makes atms, too. scary.

one thing i dont understand is the new diebold atms in our area make you choose between english and spanish. it's like 90%+ white bread english folk here, why do we have to choose? and where are the options for hindi, portuguese and french?
 
2006-05-12 05:31:37 PM
homepage.mac.com

homepage.mac.com
 
2006-05-12 06:13:39 PM
Maybe these machines would work if republicans weren't smart enough to pull this off without anybody knowing and democrats were smart enough to figure it out and stop it.

/just sayin'
 
2006-05-12 06:19:51 PM
Whatever happened to all of the Bush supporters who, after the 2004 elections, flooded Fark with their cries of "You lost, get over it!" ?
 
2006-05-12 06:26:51 PM
MOre serious than the glitch in 2004 that gave BUsh the win? WOW!
 
2006-05-12 07:01:35 PM
Dear Diebold,

American Democracy has beaten George III, beaten Nazism, beaten communism, and we will beat you.

If you value your lives, stop undermining our republic.

Your friend,
Birdboy2000
 
2006-05-12 08:05:24 PM
Are backdoors being classified as "glitches" now?

Birdboy2000 - You and the rest of you won't do shiat so just shut up already. Go talk on a wiretapped phone to someone who gives a shiat about your impossibly idle threats. The media has proven you and your minority of "freedom fighters" \ "consitution preservers".

You are ignorant until the facts are laid out in plain day light, and even then you still enjoy taking it in the ass.

// Check CNN, Fox, or Reuter's polls
/// You guys love the cock in the ass
 
2006-05-12 08:41:19 PM
2006-05-12 01:18:01 PM ioftiger
There's a (redacted) how-to guide on stealing elections via this particular method here:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/BBVtsxstudy.pdf


Printed and dropped onto the desk of the office Anti-Bush Conspiracy Theorist. (okay, most of my office hates Dubya. This guy takes it to new levels.)

He comes back from a trip to San Diego on Tuesday.

Can't wait to see what happens.
 
2006-05-12 08:43:26 PM
sseye

"bcp01scu05Seriously, how difficult is it to design voting software? Page with radio buttons, enter names, person clicks one, store in database, aggregate, submit to regional (or whatever) center for processing? This isn't rocket science."

It's the security part that's difficult. How do you keep someone from simply changing the numbers in the database?


Write-only access for voters and read-only access for counters?

How do you ensure that somoene in the voting box can't enter a secret code to an admin interface and change the votes?

I've never used a voting machine, but aren't there just buttons next to names? I suppose you could do a Komachi code on them or something, but buttons next to names doesn't seem like an interface that would allow for secret codes.

How do you verify that there are good passwords to the system that are known only by people who have no opportunity to fix the vote?

Considering how retarded people are about passwords, this is a valid point.

How do you get the data to the regional center without giving more people the opportunity to alter the vote?

Physically moving the machines--not just a part of them, but the whole damn things--ought to work. Don't mark the trucks carrying them.

How do you keep a hacker from submitting their own version of the vote over phone lines?

Correct me if I'm stupid, but wouldn't just making them unhookupable to phone lines do the trick?

Now if you wanted a way to verify your vote, with, say, a unique number that can't be traced to you, it gets a little more comlicated still.

No shiat Sherlock. People have managed and still manage without such a feature.

ORRRRR, you could just do paper ballots. I'm a Canucklehead and I can assure you it works just fine up here. (Either that or the elections get stolen so gracefully that no one notices.)

/not a computer nerd
//just married to one
 
2006-05-12 09:25:00 PM
What amazes me, really, is that this is Diebold. They make ATMs. Banks are not worried about somebody hacking the ATM.

ATMs have paper trails. At least mine does. I can hear the printer going inside the machine, and if I want, I can order a copy for myself. It's in my hand in seconds. So, what's this bullshiat about that it's too difficult to make a computerized voting station with a paper trail, otherwise known as a receipt?

I've never used a voting machine, but aren't there just buttons next to names? I suppose you could do a Komachi code on them or something

WTF is a Komachi code? Do you mean a Konami Code?
That would be fun.
*Welcome to the Diebold Vote-O-Matic. When you are ready, press the name of the candidate you would like to vote for, followed by the 'Vote' button."
"Bush Bush Kerry Kerry Cobb Edwards Cobb Edwards Nader Nader VOTE!"
"Welcome to the Diebold Admin Access Screen."
 
2006-05-12 09:27:05 PM
Please, Skoles. This Pesident would never have been elected once, much less twice, without fixing the election.

Sadly, we may never get another legitinate result until people vote by lynching politicians in the street.
 
2006-05-12 09:33:11 PM
The voting machines we had here in Franklin county Ohio (we got them during this most recent primary at my voting station) were touch screen stations. They also had a paper tape under glass noting every selection as I pressed it. If I changed the selection the paper tape responded. Of course it's still possible that one could program the station to show one result, print that result, and STILL log the wrong result. Do that in a minor way under the control of statistical models (so it doesnt look too obvious when the stats come from the polling places) and you've got a method of tipping scales in close races.
 
2006-05-12 09:38:09 PM
Ishidan
*Welcome to the Diebold Vote-O-Matic. When you are ready, press the name of the candidate you would like to vote for, followed by the 'Vote' button."
"Bush Bush Kerry Kerry Cobb Edwards Cobb Edwards Nader Nader VOTE!"
"Welcome to the Diebold Admin Access Screen."


I heard that if you type "IDDQD IDPISPOPD" in the write in area, you can vote in every precinct at once.
 
2006-05-12 11:05:01 PM
Ishidan

"Bush Bush Kerry Kerry Cobb Edwards Cobb Edwards Nader Nader VOTE!"
"Welcome to the Diebold Admin Access Screen."


That, Sir, was hilarious. Thankyou. :)

Paging Dr. Noire, monitor cleanup in room five...
 
2006-05-13 02:47:36 AM
It's the security part that's difficult. How do you keep someone from simply changing the numbers in the database? How do you ensure that somoene in the voting box can't enter a secret code to an admin interface and change the votes? How do you verify that there are good passwords to the system that are known only by people who have no opportunity to fix the vote? How do you get the data to the regional center without giving more people the opportunity to alter the vote? How do you keep a hacker from submitting their own version of the vote over phone lines? Now if you wanted a way to verify your vote, with, say, a unique number that can't be traced to you, it gets a little more comlicated still.

No, NO it's NOT THAT HARD.

People enter their credit cards online all the time. Encryption certificates work. This system was designed with NO ENCRYPTION at all. Your cable box has more security. I'm so sick of hearing "oh it can't be perfect.". Yes it can. WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY. IT SHOULD BE USED. At least TRY to build in the safeguards and then I will listen to the arguments of possible encryption weeknesses. Even Microsoft has very well designed encryption services built into all modern versions of windows. The fact that I have to even make this point is very, very sad indeed.
 
2006-05-13 08:49:03 AM
Hey, they need something to compensate for tossing out all the soldier absentee ballots.
 
Displayed 42 of 92 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report