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2006-05-12 01:43:19 AM
George Bush uses Jedi Mind tricks.

Congress: "The NSA Spying is Illegal."
Bush: "No it's not.
Congress" "No it's not."
 
2006-05-12 01:43:54 AM
Jesus 2.0


Alas, I've not had a landline since 2000, and no Qwest wireless in TN...or in CA...I'm screwed. Thanks for the link though, Qwest gets a cheers from me, whatever their basis for their decision.
 
2006-05-12 01:44:39 AM
Jesus 2.0: Tourney3p0

Absolutely nothing. Even voting them out doesn't help. A new level of corrupt, power-hungry assholes would simply take their places.

That attitude is a major part of what got us into this position in the first place.


I think we all learned from watching American Idol last night, that America is too stupid to vote.
 
2006-05-12 01:45:17 AM
2006-05-12 01:42:33 AM Jesus 2.0

That attitude is a major part of what got us into this position in the first place.


Explain. There are two scenarios here.

Scenario 1: I vote for a guy's second term. I don't like the job he's doing, but what's the point? We're screwed anyway.

Scenario 2: I vote for a different guy. If history has proven to us time and time again, he too will be a corrupt asshole. Same shiat, different story.

So tell me how this attitude is any way at all relevant. And don't give me any feel good, "power of positive thinking" bullshiat. I can smile so hard, flowers start popping out of my ass. But it hasn't seemed to work yet.
 
2006-05-12 01:45:30 AM
DJShamrock

George Bush uses Jedi Mind tricks.

Congress: "The NSA Spying is Illegal."
Bush: "No it's not.
Congress" "No it's not."


"These are not the impeachable offenses you are looking for."
"These are not the impeachable offenses we are looking for."
 
2006-05-12 01:45:53 AM
Just goes to show the priorities. "Of course we're worried about illegal Mexicans and al Queda , but our ultimate goal is to protect our citizens." The mission of NSA, CIA, and FBI is not to worry about what's happening elsewhere, but what's happening inside the borders. Typical government crap.
 
2006-05-12 01:45:58 AM
For those who'd like to switch

Some companies helped the NSA, but which?
 
2006-05-12 01:46:47 AM
drcobol2000: The mission of NSA, CIA, and FBI is not to worry about what's happening elsewhere, but what's happening inside the borders

Er--according to charter, the NSA and the CIA are specifically forbidden to operate inside US borders.

You were saying?
 
2006-05-12 01:47:38 AM
tourney3P0

And it's all because people are absolutely petrified of being attacked by a brown person.

For the 1,000,000th time, not all terrorists are brown people. Ever hear of the IRA?

I hate people that attempt to racially charge the situation. Your post was correct and factually stable until you attempted to sensationalize it.
 
2006-05-12 01:48:26 AM
 
2006-05-12 01:48:51 AM
Time has proven the discernment of our ancestors, for even these provisions, expressed in such plain English words that it would seem the ingenuity of man could not evade them, are now, after the lapse of more than seventy years, sought to be avoided. Those great and good men foresaw that troublous times would arise when rulers and people would become restive under restraint, and seek by sharp and decisive measures to accomplish ends deemed just and proper, and that the principles of constitutional liberty would be in peril unless established by irrepealable law. The history of the world had taught them that what was done in the past might be attempted in the future. The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times and under all circumstances. No doctrine involving more pernicious consequences was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government. Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism, but the theory of necessity on which it is based is false, for the government, within the Constitution, has all the powers granted to it which are necessary to preserve its existence, as has been happily proved by the result of the great effort to throw off its just authority...

This nation, as experience has proved, cannot always remain at peace, and has no right to expect that it will always have wise and humane rulers sincerely attached to the principles of the Constitution. Wicked men, ambitious of power, with hatred of liberty and contempt of law, may fill the place once occupied by Washington and Lincoln, and if this right is conceded, and the calamities of war again befall us, the dangers to human liberty are frightful to contemplate. If our fathers had failed to provide for just such a contingency, they would have been false to the trust reposed in them. They knew -- the history of the world told them -- the nation they were founding, be its existence short or long, would be involved in war; how often or how long continued human foresight could not tell, and that unlimited power, wherever lodged at such a time, was especially hazardous to freemen. For this and other equally weighty reasons, they secured the inheritance they had fought to maintain by incorporating in a written constitution the safeguards which time had proved were essential to its preservation. Not one of these safeguards can the President or Congress or the Judiciary disturb, except the one concerning the writ of habeas corpus.

-Ex parte Milligan, 1866

The words of Mr. Justice Davis are just as true -- and just as relevant -- today as when they were first written.
 
2006-05-12 01:48:52 AM
I can't tell if the apologists are trolling or not. Doesn't really matter; as long as there's someone holding the whip, there's always someone else who will beg to kiss it. These toadies, these appeasers, these apologists are quite literally betraying the America we were all taught about in grade school.

That's what we need back - grade school America. It was never a question back then whether or not it was okay for the governement to break the law, or to torture prisoners, or to declare certain people "unpersons". But enough time goes by, and enough mealy-mouthed apologists try and convice you there is Nothing To See Here, and you start to wonder if maybe the whole world has gone crazy.

Yes, it has. Kinda. But only because we let it. Because our generation has not yet awakened to the power and responisbility that will be ours whether we seek it or not.

Do Something. Write in to your congressperson. Tell friends and strangers. Enough words, from enough people, in the right combinations, are often enough to change the world.

And if, God forbid, they're not-be careful.
 
2006-05-12 01:48:55 AM
Tourney3p0

Explain.

Your "two" scenarios are demonstrating the same underlying attitude, which, effectively, boils down to "Aw, don't bother".

A lack of participatory government is cancer to democracy, and American participation in government has been declining for quite some time, hastened, in part, to the attitude that you're putting forth.
 
2006-05-12 01:49:28 AM
DJ you're assuming that the decision was based on voting and not the TV exects tryin to piss ppl off so they'll watch the show.

/just noticed the more ppl get pissed at it, the more they watch
//threadjack
///I have a shiny hat
 
2006-05-12 01:49:55 AM
This isn't anything new. This is what the NSA does. Just because they listen doesn't mean they give a fark.
 
2006-05-12 01:50:05 AM
2006-05-12 01:44:39 AM DJShamrock [TotalFark]

I think we all learned from watching American Idol last night, that America is too stupid to vote.


Consider for a moment if everyone in the US voted in the last presidency. Maybe Bush would still have won. Or maybe Kerry would have taken it. There's the small chance an independent would have won, but it would have taken pretty much every non-voting American to vote Independent. And people who follow independents are usually the type who go out and vote. So we can neglect that scenario for the purpose of this exercise.

Do you really think things would have been substantially better if Kerry had been in office? We'd still be in Iraq. We'd still be "fighting terrorism". We'd still have a government that thinks it can do whatever it wants.

And we allow it.
 
2006-05-12 01:50:49 AM
Scary tag fights Obvious tag to the death on this one.

Oh, it's pretty damn obvious that Bush is one scary son of a biatch.
 
2006-05-12 01:51:18 AM
Tourney3p0

I know you don't want to hear this, but you're definitely part of the problem.
 
2006-05-12 01:52:01 AM
nutkick_42

This isn't anything new. This is what the NSA does.

Oh, well then, nutkick_42 says this is nothing new. I guess that it's okay, then.
 
2006-05-12 01:52:05 AM
2006-05-12 01:48:55 AM Jesus 2.0
Your "two" scenarios are demonstrating the same underlying attitude, which, effectively, boils down to "Aw, don't bother".


My "two" scenarios (by the way, why the quotes? We can go back together if you'd like, and count them. There are in fact two) both involve voting.

Are you honestly telling me that voting for someone exhibits an "Aw, don't bother" attitude? I would think that NOT voting exhibits that, and you'll notice that nowhere did I even entertain the thought.

Don't put words in my mouth. I don't know where your hands have been.
 
2006-05-12 01:52:27 AM
I wouldn't be surprised at the coming of a 2nd revolution.

My bet within 10 years from now, with year 11 being total anarchy.

Let's just hope we don't have to ask France for help this time.

It will be interesting to see how many of us actually fight.
 
2006-05-12 01:52:30 AM
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2006-05-12 01:52:39 AM
Didn't any of these apologist assholes grow up in the Cold War?

Didn't we used to say we were better than the USSR and the DDR because the KGB and STASI did shiat like this, not us?

I'm sick of this smirking farktard using the terrorist boogeyman as an excuse to constantly give the Constitution a Cleveland Steamer.
 
2006-05-12 01:53:14 AM
2006-05-12 01:51:18 AM sal-paradise [TotalFark]

Tourney3p0

I know you don't want to hear this, but you're definitely part of the problem.


Thanks for pointing it out, sal.

Now, I'd like to hear exactly how you propose I change my attitude. I want you to briefly walk through the steps I can change, and then we can compare the result with what I have already outlined. We'll see how much of a problem I am.
 
2006-05-12 01:53:18 AM
Speaking of American Idol...a poll in Time magazine recently noted that a third of Americans think that a vote cast for some no talent singer on a TV show is as important or more important than a vote for the president of the country...I almost crapped my pants when I saw that statistic
 
2006-05-12 01:54:12 AM
nutkick_42: This isn't anything new. This is what the NSA does. Just because they listen doesn't mean they give a fark.

O'Rly? Wait till you phone calls at 2 am from Bill Frist trying to sell you his new, "Bill Frist's Frister Grill-n-Briber."
 
2006-05-12 01:54:18 AM
gunny6247: Speaking of American Idol...a poll in Time magazine recently noted that a third of Americans think that a vote cast for some no talent singer on a TV show is as important or more important than a vote for the president of the country...I almost crapped my pants when I saw that statistic

What a coincidence--nearly a third also support Bush.
 
2006-05-12 01:54:54 AM
Jesus 2.0 Tourney3p0

Absolutely nothing. Even voting them out doesn't help. A new level of corrupt, power-hungry assholes would simply take their places.

-- Jesus 2.0
That attitude is a major part of what got us into this position in the first place.

Could argue cause and effect here. I'm not sure that there is anything the voting public can do. We are saturated with misinformation everywhere we turn. The politicians have been rotten for as long as there have been politicians. The rotten apples far outnumber the good ones and the deluge of misinformation and BS makes it impossible for the average person to really know the good ones from the bad ones.

I think Tourney3p0 is right. The system has been hopelessly broken from the start.
 
2006-05-12 01:56:43 AM
Tourney3p0

My "two" scenarios (by the way, why the quotes?

To stress the fact that they're essentially the same thing.

Are you honestly telling me that voting for someone exhibits an "Aw, don't bother" attitude?

No, but I am honestly telling you that posting that we can do "absolutely nothing", that "even voting them out doesn't help", and that "a new level of corrupt, power-hungry assholes would simply take their places" does.

Which, not coincidentally, is exactly the portion of your post that I quoted and responded to.
 
2006-05-12 01:56:46 AM
eraser8

I liked your post, but a technicality to bring up. Lincoln was one of the worst offenders of civil liberties. He suspended habeas corpus, left out the South when voting for the 13th Amendment, and created the monster we have today - the massively out-of-control federal government, with weakened states' rights. How easy would the abortion debate be debunked if each state was allowed to choose as they saw fit?
 
2006-05-12 01:57:01 AM
DimensionalPunk:

For those who'd like to switch

Some companies helped the NSA, but which?


Thanks for that list -- at least my ISP and cellular carrier are in the "absolutely not*" category. And I'll assume that every comapny who answered "no comment" (or didn't reply) was really saying, "Hell yes, we rolled over on you."

*i.e. their "No" had a second source, via Rep. Conyers.
 
2006-05-12 01:57:33 AM
Osama won. :(
 
2006-05-12 01:57:54 AM
lol Is it just me, and I am on much Ambien and I am sleeptyping, but...

Is George Bush actually Jason Vorheese? Like you can't kill this guy. Just when I think things can't get worse, they do.

Second question...
Has a president ever had an approval rating below 0%? Like -23%?
 
2006-05-12 01:57:58 AM
www.totalmedia.com

/who knew it was a cookbook?
 
2006-05-12 01:58:38 AM
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2006-05-12 01:58:52 AM
2006-05-12 01:56:43 AM Jesus 2.0

Tourney3p0

My "two" scenarios (by the way, why the quotes?

To stress the fact that they're essentially the same thing.


I already asked Sal to step me through this. Maybe he's typing it out right now, or maybe he hasn't read it yet. You're obviously updating though, so let's hear your perspective.

How would you change it? I'd really like to hear emphasis on the end result though. The end result is.. finish that sentence. And like I said, we'll compare your results with mine, and see where we stand.
 
2006-05-12 01:59:12 AM
Choadzilla

The red states will wipe the ass of everything else. Texas would win, massive population that partakes in military, hoardes weapons and the will to use them.
 
2006-05-12 02:01:03 AM
We're not even remotely getting all of this story. A database of phone #'s that simply say A called B cannot possibly be the "largest database in the world". Virtually every single phone company holds years and years of billing records like these. Even pooled together, they wouldn't create the world's largest database, not by a long shot. If you audsimply attached mp3 file to each of those records, well then now you'd be talking about the kind of dataset that would create the "largest database in the world".
 
2006-05-12 02:01:21 AM
Tourney3p0

How would you change it? I'd really like to hear emphasis on the end result though. The end result is.. finish that sentence.

I don't know what you're referring to.
 
2006-05-12 02:02:20 AM
2006-05-12 02:01:21 AM Jesus 2.0

I don't know what you're referring to.


We've really only been on one subject here. I laid out my stance. You told me that I'm part of the problem. I've asked why. What would you change about my perspective, and how would that influence things as a whole?
 
2006-05-12 02:03:21 AM
jpbreon nubianplease! Blue state America would not only have the gross majority of the GDP, but also the entire world backing it up. The south couldn't last a sustained fight.
 
2006-05-12 02:03:23 AM
I need a good friend in the NSA to record the best drunk dials....that would be awesome..
 
2006-05-12 02:05:39 AM
rougy : Gosh - a handful of posts and already the con Bushists poopooed yet another one of Bush's lies and Constitutional transgressions.

Grow up. This is the SAME data the phone companies have been keeping in THEIR databases for 30+ years for billing purposes.
It equates to neither a "Bush Lie" nor a "Constitutional Trangression".

If you want them NOT to have this ability, you need to tell your congressional representatives to change the privacy laws.

I'm pissed because USAT not only blew an ongoung means-&-method, but told the folks it's aimed at exactly HOW to get around it. (But don't you DARE question their patriotism!) Next up on USAT, diagrams of US troops in body armour with big red circles to show the most vulnerable aiming points.
 
2006-05-12 02:06:11 AM
Gabbo is Fabbo

Sorry bro, but I live in California and without Kansas supplying food, there will be a population loss that would make your head spin. Your supermarkets don't conjure food from nothing, moran.
 
2006-05-12 02:06:50 AM
 
2006-05-12 02:09:09 AM
"Hello, osama bin laden al-qaeda sunni muslim allah, can I help you?"
 
2006-05-12 02:11:09 AM
jpbreon writes: Lincoln was one of the worst offenders of civil liberties.

That was sorta the point of Ex parte Milligan.
 
2006-05-12 02:11:37 AM
EVERYONE needs to watch this 30 sec Jack Cafferty rant from today on the subject. When it was over, I went to my window and shouted, "They tapped my cell, and I am not going to make my payment on time anymore."

Jack FTW
 
2006-05-12 02:14:58 AM
jpbreon

Gabbo is Fabbo

Sorry bro, but I live in California and without Kansas supplying food, there will be a population loss that would make your head spin. Your supermarkets don't conjure food from nothing, moran.


Don't even pull that shiat. Illinois would be glad to sell California its food. You want population loss? OK, we shut down the agricultural subsidies exchanges in Chicago. Now how are you going to feed your kin/heat your homes?

/you need to stop the petty regional politics and look at what Bush has done, look at what he's said, and then look around yourself.
 
2006-05-12 02:16:05 AM
paulseta:
NSA: Good evening gentlemen

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