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(USA Today)   NSA has "the largest database ever assembled in the world" of your phonecalls   (usatoday.com) divider line 497
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2006-05-12 01:00:21 AM  
I originally read this line from TFA as: all appropriate members of Congress have been bribed

I think that should read blackmailed
 
2006-05-12 01:00:45 AM  
Valis992000

My daughter works in a criminal defense attorneys office; this type of information is routinley used in criminal cases.

Missing word there is "warrant".
 
2006-05-12 01:00:57 AM  
Well then, we must defeat them at their own game, by assembling an even GRANDER database.

Then, my friends, the receiver will be in the other cradle.

Ha

Ha ha ha

Ha ha ha ha HA HA

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA (COUGH) HA HA HA HA HA!!!

/needs a better hobby
 
2006-05-12 01:01:06 AM  
Wow, and what do you guys think Hayden is going to do with the CIA, not turn the agency against the American people?
 
2006-05-12 01:01:08 AM  
Isn't this essentially the same story that was being discussed here:
http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2059635
 
2006-05-12 01:01:11 AM  
Thank God Qwest is good for something..


Keep up the good fight!!!
 
2006-05-12 01:01:17 AM  
CLASS ACTION

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/nsaspying/index.html

http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/report.asp?ObjID=IahVzRA3n9&Content=693

http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/faq.php#22
 
2006-05-12 01:02:05 AM  
what interests me about this story is what database are they using ? Postgresql, oracle, flat-file, WHAT ?
 
2006-05-12 01:02:31 AM  
We should always have 250,000 phones lines tied up playing Revolution 9 at different speeds just to use up hard drive space.
 
2006-05-12 01:02:31 AM  
next thing you know the nsa will be GATHERING INTELLIGENCE

I mean, thats not unconstitutional, i dont know what is
 
2006-05-12 01:02:57 AM  
I'm switching to Qwest just for spite.
 
2006-05-12 01:03:14 AM  
DrRatchet
"Yah, they better have a court order...."

They don't, so what are you going to do about it, threaten to vote against them in the next election? This isn't directed at you, per-se. But the more and more I hear about this happening, the less I see Americans caring about it. Most Americans don't even know what their rights are nevermind understand how they're being violated.

So in the end, what can Americans really do about it?
 
2006-05-12 01:04:08 AM  
Oh my god I have to leave the country, like uhh, right now. Hey any of you farkers in a foriegn country, could you hide the newest most fbi's most wanted for about 50 years?

/SLASHIEEES!
//SLASHIEEES!
//Thank god I've had paranoid schizophrenia for the last 10 years and made all phone calls speaking backwards in Aztec.
 
2006-05-12 01:04:29 AM  
Why do Americans hate impeachment?

Governments can come and go.. no need for America to continue to exist. If it sucks, "Next government please".

Do we even need another government? We could even have several hundred replacement governments, one for each function of society, so they remain lobbyist proof?

Now, the important question is, what shall we call our next government? Dissoluted States of Old America? South Canada? North Mexico? New States of America?

/ex NSA
//saddened
 
2006-05-12 01:04:40 AM  
as a Qwest employee I have never been more proud of my executive management than today. I just hope we don't give in.
 
2006-05-12 01:04:46 AM  
This one is going to become a shiatstorm -- hell, it's Fox News's lead story tonight, and even their slant is "ohmygawdscary!" (No, 'cause I had to watch the "That 70s Show" documentary finale, and just didn't change the channel fast enough). 'Cause, y'know -- Senators and Reps have telephones, too, and this data-mining doesn't appear to have discriminated.

I'm sure plenty of them immediately thought, "Oh Christ, I called my hooker/dealer from a landline... better pass a law or something."
 
2006-05-12 01:04:57 AM  
Michael Hunt:
Short of a full-on revolt, not much, unfortunately.
 
2006-05-12 01:05:47 AM  
Yeah Read this yesterday. Just ain't right. Our tax dollars pay to void our own rights. Bzzz doesn't make sense. Useless waste of trash data and I would think Illegal. But Bush didn't know about it. So it is ok right?

Odd thing is another quote I read said most americans don't care as long as it protects us from "tirriasts". What the fark Most americans? Are you that blind and stupid? Wait I already know that is true. Gotta protect stupid people from having their rights taken away. Hope this program gets tossed.

/gotta stop saying "this is the bomb" on my cell.
 
2006-05-12 01:06:05 AM  
vfunct: /ex NSA

Is there anything you know that you can, like, talk about? Is it just the numbers, or is it, like, conversations?

/It's prolly need-to-know, innit.
//Like all the fun things.
 
2006-05-12 01:06:43 AM  
Well ! We have to get those COMMIES !


err oh wait that was 1940'ish when Americans cheered while the government destroyed peoples lives, jailed people, spied on people, PROTECTED THEM FROM EVIL COMMIES WALKING AMONG US !

Luckily this time the government really is just being fair and honest and most of all, protecting us ! I mean it's terrorists this time ! TERROR ISTS ! TERROR !

Here , take my rights, screw the Bill of whatever and that other old piece of paper JUST PROTECT ME FROM THE TERRORISTS !
 
2006-05-12 01:06:46 AM  
Ew, does that mean they know about me talking over VOIP with my friend Mohammad in Saudi Arabia about blowing shiat up?
 
2006-05-12 01:06:49 AM  
skubwa

Thanks.

Making skubwa's lists hyperlinked:

CLASS ACTION

American Civil Liberties Union: NSA Lawsuit - Stop Illegal Surveillance

Center for Constitutional Rights: CCR Files Suit over NSA Domestic Spying Program

Electronic Frontier Foundation: AT&T/NSA Class Action FAQ
 
2006-05-12 01:07:32 AM  
Valis992000

I was talking about the excuse itself rather than the context in which it was being used. I hear this excuse being thrown out a lot lately by the current administration. It would be nice if I could use it to hide behind my own indiscretions. ;p

But you're right, they are trying awfully hard to blur the distinction.
 
2006-05-12 01:07:58 AM  
"This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations..."

Only authorized Bush Administration staff have the clearances to listen in on phone calls made by Democratic Party officials and campaign offices.
 
2006-05-12 01:07:59 AM  
erewhon: Considering I can get your phonecall data without a warrant, I'd be amazed that NSA doesn't already have it just out of general principles.

I didn't think it was necessary to point this out, but obviously it is:

private individuals and corporations != Government Organizations

There are restrictions placed on one by the constitution that are not on the other. I'll leave it to you to figure out which is which.
 
2006-05-12 01:08:09 AM  
Unless anyone is planning on assassinating anyone or blowing up a building, I don't think this is really a problem. At least they know I'm not screwing up.

The people who should have a problem with this are any of the following below:

"Sweet! I just raped and killed a court justice! I'm going to get on the phone and brag to all my friends!

"I need to call my friends and warn them I was going to bomb the office building I used to work at ever since the boss fired me."

"America sucks, so I'm going to hire a bunch of hitmen over the phone to take out the Bush Administration!"

If you're on the phone with friends, I don't think the NSA is going to care if you accidently caught your fist in the toilet or something. I'm also pretty sure they won't arrest you for that.
 
2006-05-12 01:08:12 AM  
Freedom, 9/11, victory, lurks, enemies, terrorists, victory, 9/11!

We've become pussies, yay!
 
2006-05-12 01:08:33 AM  
skubwa

CLASS ACTION

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/nsaspying/index.html

http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/report.asp?ObjID=IahVzRA3n9&Content=693

http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/faq.php#22


I just read that PDF of the lawsuit, and my God will the federal government get evicerated by the courts.
 
2006-05-12 01:08:38 AM  
corn-bread: There are restrictions placed on one by the constitution that are not on the other. I'll leave it to you to figure out which is which.

Something tells me he reeeeaaaallly already knows this....
 
2006-05-12 01:08:39 AM  
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2006-05-12 01:09:13 AM  
Josef Stalin did shiat like this.
 
2006-05-12 01:09:20 AM  
are we scared yet?
 
2006-05-12 01:09:22 AM  
I like what Cafferty had to say about it:

Cafferty: We all hope nothing happens to Arlen Specter, the Republican head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, cause he might be all that stands between us and a full blown dictatorship in this country. He's vowed to question these phone company executives about volunteering to provide the government with my telephone records, and yours, and tens of millions of other Americans.

Shortly after 9/11, AT7T, Verizon, and BellSouth began providing the super-secret NSA with information on phone calls of millions of our citizens, all part of the War on Terror, President Bush says. Why don't you go find Osama bin Laden, and seal the country's borders, and start inspecting the containers that come into our ports?

The President rushed out this morning in the wake of this front page story in USA Today and declared the government is doing nothing wrong, and all this is just fine. Is it? Is it legal? Then why did the Justice Department suddenly drop its investigation of the warrantless spying on citizens because the NSA said Justice Department lawyers didn't have the necessary security clearance to do the investigation. Read that sentence again. A secret government agency has told our Justice Department that it's not allowed to investigate it. And the Justice Department just says ok and drops the whole thing. We're in some serious trouble, boys and girls.


See Crooksandliars.com for the video.
 
2006-05-12 01:09:50 AM  
NSA busy listening in on 150 million teenage girls and their yakity yak.
 
2006-05-12 01:09:56 AM  
Again I have to ask, in sheer disbelief, "how can you "Republicans" continue to support this regime?????
 
2006-05-12 01:10:05 AM  
nice!!! what's the URL?? got some stuff i wanna research.
 
2006-05-12 01:10:32 AM  
Except that it's not my phone calls...or yours.
 
2006-05-12 01:10:46 AM  
fernandez: are we scared yet?

Not quite.

I may be, depending on certain answers to certain questions.
 
2006-05-12 01:11:03 AM  
Do you want the red pill or the blue pill?
 
2006-05-12 01:11:26 AM  
My GF likes it when ppl watch
 
2006-05-12 01:11:29 AM  
Spaztique

Unless anyone is planning on assassinating anyone or blowing up a building, I don't think this is really a problem. At least they know I'm not screwing up.

The people who should have a problem with this are any of the following below:

"Sweet! I just raped and killed a court justice! I'm going to get on the phone and brag to all my friends!

"I need to call my friends and warn them I was going to bomb the office building I used to work at ever since the boss fired me."

"America sucks, so I'm going to hire a bunch of hitmen over the phone to take out the Bush Administration!"

If you're on the phone with friends, I don't think the NSA is going to care if you accidently caught your fist in the toilet or something. I'm also pretty sure they won't arrest you for that.


(1) My civil rights are not yours to give away.

(2) You're an apologist for the desecration of the United States Constitution.
 
2006-05-12 01:11:49 AM  
LOOK, OVER THERE, GAYS, GUNS, GOD!!!!!!!
 
2006-05-12 01:11:56 AM  
In the event that parties might review my telephone call history, I would like to go on record regarding the 900 line calls originated from my home telephone account at various times of day from September of 1996 through last Thursday.

I believe that this misunderstanding can be blamed on my cat accidentally hitting speed dial keys which had been programmed maliciously, apparently by the Malaysian manufacturer. I have taken appropriate steps to rectify the problem.

Thank you for the opportunity to present my side of the story, and God Bless the NSA and President Bush.
 
2006-05-12 01:12:35 AM  
vfunct

/ex NSA

And I'm the Pope.
 
2006-05-12 01:13:27 AM  
YouPeopleAreCrazy: And I'm the Pope.

You'd be surprised. It's a matter of record that some very interesting people have read certain threads.
 
2006-05-12 01:13:27 AM  
I'm surprised there are no duh-velopers chiming in on this one?! First, yes, this a slippery-slope and the gov't shouldn't be all up in our business... but from a technical perspective?

First, "garbage-in, garbage-out". Phone numbers change, people move, phone numbers get re-assigned, districts get re-mapped, zip codes change... point is, without that information (and hopefully it's accurate), this whole "largest database" silliness is a gigantic waste of space.

In other words, you would not only need the source, destination and timestamp... you ALSO need, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, who had the numbers at the source and destination. For anyone whose ever done a database like this, it's far from efficient and difficult to maintain.

Put another way, let's say you have exactly one phone call with one source and one destination. You would need an accurate source of who owned that number at that particular time. Keeping in mind that different companies cover different exchanges. So even assuming you had feeds from all the major companies, you would need to get a continuous delta file because phone numbers are being started, stopped and changed on a daily basis - and YOU would need to store all that so that you can not only look up the phone call today, but the phone call 3 years ago.

So politics and "whether it's right or wrong" aside, technically - this is not really giving them much. This was probably some high-level not-so-bright that thought this sounded like a great idea, while not really understanding the technical implications. It would take truly unprecedented cooperation from just about every phone vendor, plus to get everyone to agree on a feed format and frequency and to setup the infrastructure to get regular updates.

Put it this way, I've been on projects that were simpler, better funded, the people were more motivated and the technology and vendors were already aligned and the project barely got done. I just don't see our government pulling this off.
 
2006-05-12 01:14:22 AM  
You're all so safe it's pathetic! I mean since the bear patrol.. err massive surveillance push how many acts of terrorism on der homeland? See!

And when the next attack comes, you can fire everyone at nsa. Be hard to get back the billions pissed away into all the ill conceived programs being handed money hand over first, but you'll at least see some firings. Appearance people, that's all that matters.

A handful of lunatics on the other side of the globe = millions lose rights and freedoms. Sorry, I should amend that. It used to be a handful before Iraq, now I'm sure there's a few thousand young boys who watched dads head explode like a watermelon. I'm sure they'd love to get in on some revenge. Might take them 10 years or more.. Just consider the wind sown.
 
2006-05-12 01:14:49 AM  
I just want to farking throttle all the dumbasses who said, "If you don't have anything to hide you don't need to worry about the government tracking your calls."
 
2006-05-12 01:15:37 AM  
It's easy to contact your phone company.

Dial 611!
 
2006-05-12 01:16:45 AM  
A what for....

I can't wait for the next election

A UFIA FOR ALL!!

/hopes Bush names himself emperor of Texas and invades Turkey so he can rename it Chicken.
 
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