This calls for a Romero!

repeat?

"The Harvard report is wrong," said Janice Crouse, a fellow at a Concerned Women for America think-tank.

"This study is in direct contradiction with trends we have been seeing in recent years," Crouse said. "Those who make virginity pledges have shown greater resolve to save sex for marriage."

I'm really getting sick of these farking "think tanks" that will ignore any evidence that doesn't support their flimsy idealogies and hold up anecdotes as evidence of how right they are. fark them. fark the PNAC. fark Focus on the Family.

Dancin_In_Anson: A firm grasp

Well, that's what the teens that actually keep the pledges have...

I pledge to remain a virgin until I no longer am one.

Hey. Anything that increases anal sex.. stop biatching.

I pledge to remain a virgin until it is no longer convenient to do so. Like the next time I have sex.

More proof that abstinence only education works like a charm. If your goal is to have every teen contract an STD or become pregnant, that is.

mediaho: I'm really getting sick of these farking "think tanks" that will ignore any evidence that doesn't support their flimsy idealogies and hold up anecdotes as evidence of how right they are. fark them. fark the PNAC. fark Focus on the Family.


It's probably not idealogy. More likely, they fear they'll lose funding when it is demonstrated how ineffective their abstinence-only faith-based approach is for reducing STDs and teen-pregnancies.

I took a girl's virginity pledge once. Man, that was sweet.

When are we gonna accept that everyone farks?

I'm really sorry about that.

There are other studies that show that teens who take abstinence pledges are much less likely to use condoms when they DO have sex (that would show premeditation, after all).

Be fruitful and multiply (but don't you dare enjoy it).

Sex is better when you feel guilty about it?

Of course they don't work because the kids don't really have a choice about making the pledge. How do you think that conversation would go:

Adult: Hey, son, would you like to take an abstinence pledge?

Teen: No thanks. I'd like to keep my options open.

Just like in every aspect of their lives teens do something easy to get adults off their backs, then do whatever the hell they were gonna do in the first place.

I don't quite understand the people who take these pledges. Perhaps this is because I'm not religious, but I don't see a "why" here. I realized that I was a healthy, hormonal teenage girl, and that you can make sex reasonably safe. There's no real reason not to enjoy yourself.

/Mother hates sex, so it wasn't my family's fault

not only are they not virgins, theyre liars! no good teenagers loitering on my damn lawn.


//only 27

stupid liberal studies

Now this is something I never understood. Put simply and bluntly, sex between two consenting individuals is *fun*. Done safely, it's also harmless.

I can deal quite happily with those who're sexually abstinent by choice -- sexuality is a personal matter, after all -- but I tend to get quite, quite pissed when people say that sex is somehow 'immoral' unless done in the context of matrimony between a man and a woman.

Someone wants to stay a virgin? Great; go for it. Just bear in mind that you can do every bit as much to reduce teen pregnancies and STD spread by the simple expedient of a condom and spermicide, and you'll probably have less hang-ups and neuroses after having a healthy teenage sex life!

My wife and I kept ours until marriage.

Wait, did I say wife? I meant ex wife. She left me this year for the new assitant band director that she works with at Plano Senior High School.

I'd quibble with the headline -- "rarely" is hardly supported by the study. If it's only 10 or 20 percent, that still means "frequently", just not anywhere near "mostly".

And the most important lesson from this study is-- studies of self-reporting of sexual attitudes or activities by teenagers are COMPLETELY worthless. They tell you nothing about the actual sexual attitudes or activities of teenagers-- only what the teenagers want you to think they said at the time you asked.

Which has been demonstrated many times before.

Sex is strictly for the production of more Christian Conservatives. Any other use, with the possible exception of disciplining uppity women, is explicity proscribed.


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"People like to fark. Film at 11."

Duh. If you don't have any underlying moral code that will help you keep your resolve to remain a virgin, you are going to make this "pledge" and promptly forget about it. For those who find keeping their virginity, saving it for marriage, whatever important, they don't have any need to make a pledge.

In other words, if it isn't important to you on a deep level, there is no way you'll keep your v-pledge. Unless you are ugly as a rat and have the personality of a cactus so no one will fark you in any case.

/only thing dumber than v-pledges are "born again virgins" or "second time around virgins" or some other BS designed to make someone feel better for violating their morals. If your virginity is important to you, don't lose it. If you do lose it and regret it, admit you made a mistake and move on. None of this "born again" shiat.

"This study is in direct contradiction with trends we have been seeing in recent years," Crouse said. "Those who make virginity pledges have shown greater resolve to save sex for marriage."

Please show us the scientific, peer-reviewed study that documents this trend.

Oh...you don't have one? I'm sorry. All this really contradicts is, at best, anecdotal observations that happen to pass right in front of your nose.

TheSignPost: Especially when it comes to giving head.


This is true, I've been fooling around with a 19yr old virgin lately and she's all teeth. She's muslim so the poonie is no entry, but she is otherwise a freak.

On a side note, my sister is going to Harvard. Full scholarship :)
Should I be hoping she has or hasn't taken a pledge?

See what a $250,000 education gets you? A firm grasp of the obvious


my sentiments exactly

/obscure?
//not really

Contazia: I realized that I was a healthy, hormonal teenage girl, and that you can make sex reasonably safe. There's no real reason not to enjoy yourself.

Ah, see, that's the problem.

Religious types teach 'abstinence only', and don't tell you about those options.

See the thread a bit further down the page for that one.

If you've got the right church choir director, you never get to have virginity in the first place. And you are eternally envious of kids that bag hottie teachers, 'cause you didn't even get the courtesy of a reacharound, let alone hawtness.


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"People like to fark. Film at 11."


I bet that would get some impressive ratings.

Sex is strictly for the production of more Christian Conservatives. Any other use, with the possible exception of disciplining uppity women, is explicity proscribed.



finaly someone who makes sense!

you go boy!

Semjaza:
"Someone wants to stay a virgin? Great; go for it. Just bear in mind that you can do every bit as much to reduce teen pregnancies and STD spread by the simple expedient of a condom and spermicide"

Not "every bit as much"-- about 85-98 percent-- just remember that sex is MOSTLY dangerous because it makes you STUPID.

And of course, most of those keeping virginity pledges didn't need virginity pledges to keep them.

After Columbine, some idiot students in local high-schools had their fellow students sign pledges not to go on killing sprees at school-- they got some 85 percent participation, no doubt including many who had been planning it, but now that they signed a pledge will abstain.

been a while since I posted this...

I took the Absinthe pledge the last time I was in Denmark.

I don't think it's close to this particular pledge, however.

A friend of mine signed one while she was in high school, even though she was already sexually active and had no intentions of stopping. Why? Because her aunt was there watching her. An ex-girlfriend of my husband signed one when they were dating (they were both in high school)... she had already been sexually active also, though not with him. And then afterwards, basically told him that she didn't think she would be breaking it by having sex with him, since they wanted to get married eventually. He refused (good on him). A few months later, she found some guy she liked better and dumped my husband (oh darn).

I never signed one, and my husband never did either, even though both of us had made promises to ourselves long before we met to wait until we were married (for different reasons, also... his were more religious than mine). And guess what -- we waited until we got married (none of this 'anal is not sex' stuff, either). In fact, we know a lot of people who waited, and few of them ever signed a pledge.

Virginity pledges are bogus... the people who sign them who have already made that committment are far more likely to follow through than the people who sign them because because of peer pressure, or because some family member is hovering over them, or because they think it's the right thing to do. If you really want to stay a virgin, you will, regardless of some stupid piece of paper. If you have no conviction in that belief, signing a paper won't keep you from having sex. And that study basically found the same -- 73% of the people who broke the pledges *lied* and said they had never made the pledge, and a third of the people in the survey lied about their sexual history. Does it surprise you that liars don't keep their promises? It sure as hell doesn't surprise me.

starla79: A friend of mine signed one while she was in high school, even though she was already sexually active and had no intentions of stopping. Why? Because her aunt was there watching her.

Reminds me of someone I know who's a--I couldn't make this shiat up if I tried--"Born-again virgin".

Haha, kids abandon pledges that they were cajoled into making at an age where they didn't understand what they were promising?

The reach an age where they become biologically interested in sex, and then they reconsider the retarded pledges they made offhandedly when they were prepubescent?

You mean kids' priorities change as they grow up? You mean adolescents may be more concerned with their own angst and horniness than the world around them?

Shocking!

/Romero-worthy indeed

Virginity pledges are farking stupid, anyway...

I could have told you that three years ago when I lost my virginity...

/oops...