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(Lowell Sun Online)   Xenophobia out of control: school committee member files motion to remove Spanish-language emergency exit signs from high school   (lowellsun.com) divider line 98
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2006-05-06 03:48:21 PM
See, this is what I was talking about when I said that the anti-illegal backlash has wider repercussions.

"People who've come from another country have always learned the native language, but now I think we're losing touch with that common thread. It's just starting with the signs, but I can see they are getting a foot in the door, and the next thing you know we'll have a separate curriculum in Spanish," Hayden said.

Keep sliding down that slope, all the way to hell, you buttpipe.
 
2006-05-06 03:52:38 PM
Hey, someone has to stay behind to fight the fire until the firemen get there.
 
2006-05-06 03:54:23 PM
I'm glad to see that some more Americans are taking a positive step forward to fight this scourge.
 
2006-05-06 03:58:01 PM
Welcome to the backlash of shoving multi-culturism down the collective throats of Americans. This has a direct beginning in the Spanish version of the National Anthem. This is why you shut your pie hole and do what you can to not ruffle feathers - there are far wiser ways to get what you want.
 
2006-05-06 04:03:28 PM
jpbreon

The "Spanish version" of the anthem was created by a studio executive in New York and features Wyclef Jean and other celebrities. Grow up.
 
2006-05-06 04:06:22 PM
Action Replay Nick

Please. You know as well as I do that they people in this article don't know or don't care who sang it or why. You are treating them as if they aren't knee-jerking to a supposed threat. I am merely pointing that out to the thread.
 
2006-05-06 04:14:06 PM
People who've come from another country have always learned the native language

Who doesn't speak Navajo?
 
2006-05-06 04:16:10 PM
delau

Probably the same reason that no one speaks Latin, or more correctly, very few people do. It's a dead language. Red herrings won't work.
 
2006-05-06 04:17:23 PM
Navajo?
 
2006-05-06 04:17:41 PM
filed a motion to ensure all official school communications are in English.


What happens when there's a fire after hours and the Spanish-speaking janitor dies in the fire not being able to read the "English-only" signs that this guy mandated?
 
2006-05-06 04:20:02 PM
SpinnyNuNu

The same thing that happens to me when I piss my pants because I cannot ask where the bathroom is in Russian - I'd have wished I had learned.
 
2006-05-06 04:21:39 PM
jpbreon
The same thing that happens to me when I piss my pants because I cannot ask where the bathroom is in Russian - I'd have wished I had learned.

You die when you piss in your pants? Wow.
 
2006-05-06 04:24:18 PM
I saw this headline and was baffled at this being a debate. Then I saw where it was from. I'm from California, so I guess I take this kind of thing for granted. I'm all for people learning English, but if a Spanish-speaking population is there I see no problem with an exit sign in Spanish. That's pretty much telling them, "Die in a fire."
 
2006-05-06 04:24:30 PM
delau: Who doesn't speak Navajo?

I do. Seriously, my grandfather taught me.
 
2006-05-06 04:24:50 PM
People who've come from another country have always learned the native language, but now I think we're losing touch with that common thread.

particularly biting, since when you think about it, the residents of Mexico can call shenanigans on that fairly easily. on a 1998 census, the ethnic makeup of Mexico was 60% Mestizo (mixed Indian and Caucasian blood), 30% Indigenous, 9% Caucasian, and 1% other.

So about 9 in every ten Mexicans can say that according to their bloodline, at some point in the last 500 years or so, people that came to their country not only refused to learn the native language, but very pointedly wiped out the languages that already were in place, so much so that the descendents of said country no longer know how to speak it.
 
2006-05-06 04:25:11 PM
SpinnyNuNu

What happens when there's a fire after hours and the Spanish-speaking janitor dies in the fire not being able to read the "English-only" signs that this guy mandated?

They go down to the Home Depot parking lot and hire another one?
 
2006-05-06 04:29:09 PM
jpbreon: Probably the same reason that no one speaks Latin, or more correctly, very few people do. It's a dead language. Red herrings won't work.

nice try, but Navajo is not a dead language. It is a language that is still spoken and in some cases taught first to Navajos on a number of reservations. And it does serve a communication purpose. No one except scholars and the clergy knew Latin coming over to the new world. Its only purpose was of a professional purpose not as a fundamental communication tool for the populi.
 
2006-05-06 04:29:49 PM
Ahh, "illegal immigrants" aka "them goddamn mexicans". I love this great debate. The Republicans are masters of turning out the worst elements of society and using their ignorant hatred to get votes. I guess they couldn't play the gay card again because they did not do a farking thing after the last election, so now its on to the mexicans. Who will it be in 2008? Once they get around to the Jews, we will all know we are really living in a wonderful society.
 
2006-05-06 04:31:01 PM
jpbreon

Navajo helped save our ass in WW2, so you should be greatful some brown people decided to keep a piece of their culture.
 
2006-05-06 04:41:30 PM
cruci fiction

Ah the coveted race card. When logical arguements fail, flash that baby. "Oh noes!!1! Opposition! Flag him racist, that'll give us teh win!"

willywanka

And no one makes him speak any language but his own. I'm sure most Navajo, if they wish to go off reservation to a grocery store, would be inclined to learn english so they could make a business transaction. Make sense?
 
2006-05-06 04:53:14 PM
jpbreon

Well, is it only Mexicans you hate, or is it all immigrants? Does it make you vomit a little in your mouth when you pass by Chinatown, or see a sign in Vietnamese? Do you get angrily violent at the shop owner who mainly speaks Korean? Somehow I doubt it, as the only people I have seen frothing at the mouth over "illegal immigrants" are just using code words for "farking mexicans".
 
2006-05-06 04:58:31 PM
What kind of shallow, lifeless, douchebag do you have to be that a few words in a different laungauge bothers you to the point where you feel the need to make a mition to a committee to get rid of it? Is this guys life that farking meaningless?
 
2006-05-06 05:00:14 PM
DI AH-NA-GHAI DI-GISS-TSO
 
2006-05-06 05:02:04 PM
The party of fiscal responsibility. "Let's spend money to remove what's already there! That'll show 'em."
 
2006-05-06 05:03:14 PM
Hahahahah:

"It's gone too far," said Hayden, of Lowell. "We need to stick with the universal language of this country."

What a moron, and this dude works at a SCHOOL? Unless it was enacted this morning, I didn't know that we had an official "universal language".
 
2006-05-06 05:03:34 PM
cruci fiction

Yes, which is why I live in Los Angeles. No cultural diversity here, just a bunch of white people. Furthermore, I am engaged to a Filipino girl, and I speak Tagalog. Anecdotal with the furthermore, but if you'd like, I could direct you to my MySpace account to verify, you oaf.

Coolhaus

greatful some brown people decided

What's that? Looks like race identification to me, even though I never made a reference to any kind of ethnic group. I appealed to rational thought, where business and law is carried out in one language to avoid confusion. English is known and taught in schools, and makes an obvious choice. Other languages are, of course, encouraged to be used whenever and however you want. I certainly don't go to Mexico and demand English signs because I refuse to honor their culture and learn a bit of their language.
 
2006-05-06 05:07:36 PM
rivetboy: They go down to the Home Depot parking lot and hire another one?

LOL!

Multilingual stuff annoys me greatly. I hate buying a box of widgets, and having to hunt through the spanish and french on the box to find what I need in english.
 
2006-05-06 05:13:46 PM
jpbreon: And no one makes him speak any language but his own. I'm sure most Navajo, if they wish to go off reservation to a grocery store, would be inclined to learn english so they could make a business transaction. Make sense?

It would if he didn't already speak english from living on the rez (you would be hard-pressed to find a rez that doesn't accept English as the primary spoken language). Similarly, there are plenty of areas with high concentrations of Spanish speaking Mexicans and Mexican-Americans, but even in those areas, English is the primary language of business education and public office. But depending on the area, the concentration of spanish language, and the history of the advocacy of the area, signs, placards, and the like are displayed in both languages.

Interesting that you know Tagalog (I know a tiny little bit from being friends with a filipino girl originally from LA, interestingly enough) - you know that in the Philippines, English and Tagalog are co-official languanges, most filipinos grow up learning both, and everywhere in the major cities signs and such are displayed in both languages...
 
2006-05-06 05:20:20 PM
jpbreon: I live in Los Angeles. No culture diversity here

fixed it for ya...

/I keed, I keed...it was too tempting...
 
2006-05-06 05:21:54 PM
willywanka

That is correct. Imagine, in the Philippines they teach English along with Tagalog. Why do you suppose THAT is?

If a non-English speaking child goes to school, they learn English as it is the language used to cater to the largest demographic. You have options to learn Spanish as your progress through your schooling. In the Philippines, English is not yet spoken by the majority of people, so bilingual signs and such are a must. In America, bilingual signs are encouragement to not learn English. Why learn it if everything is going to be written in a language you already know?

I learnt Tagalog with "trial by fire". I labeled cards and placed them on objects, and forced myself to join conversations without resorting to English. If I had an easy escape route, that would not have benefited me.
 
2006-05-06 05:26:31 PM
jpbreon: In America, bilingual signs are encouragement to not learn English.

In this case, bilingual signs are an encouragement to not die in a fire.
 
2006-05-06 05:29:36 PM
Crooow!

We better fix that then. So, our exit signs should be written in every language on Earth, because you never know if you might have someone that doesn't know English or Spanish. That would be terrible.
 
2006-05-06 05:35:49 PM
jpbreon: That is correct. Imagine, in the Philippines they teach English along with Tagalog. Why do you suppose THAT is?

Because the people (in this case, the Americans, during the Spanish-American War) that came to another country (in this case, the Philippines) refused to learn the native language...and that was after a previous country (in that case, Spain) came to another country (in that case, again, the Philippines) and refused to learn the native language.

they learn English as it is the language used to cater to the largest demographic... English is not yet spoken by the majority of people

You realize those statements are a contradiction of terms?
 
2006-05-06 05:35:50 PM
Are they talking about the "EXIT" signs that are over every door? If so, how f'in tough is it for anyone to learn that E-X-I-T means exit? It's not like it's a 3 paragraph instruction on how to open the damn door & leave.
 
2006-05-06 05:38:24 PM
willywanka

Yes, they are contradictory when you take them out of context like you just did.

And no, they learn English so they can can compete in the business world. It is a must to get a decent job, so they learn it.
 
2006-05-06 05:50:16 PM
jpbreon: We better fix that then. So, our exit signs should be written in every language on Earth, because you never know if you might have someone that doesn't know English or Spanish. That would be terrible.

if the vast majority of the people in the area speak either English, Spanish or both, then there is no need to write "in every language on Earth".

Techically, by the logic you are using, everyone in the Philippines should be made to learn only Tagalog, as it is the country's primary native language. If they wish to learn English or Spanish in high school as an elective, or speak English or Spanish at home or strictly within their community when not involving themsleves with non-English or Spanish speaker, then that is acceptable, but no business or governmental signage, instructions, official dialog or any other related aspect should be performed in any language but Tagalog.

jpbreon: Yes, they are contradictory when you take them out of context like you just did.

And no, they learn English so they can can compete in the business world. It is a must to get a decent job, so they learn it.


Just like the Navajo learns English for the same reasons, or the Mexican learns it to move ahead in the US (and no, you cannot get anything but menial jobs if you don't know English here). But nonetheless in all three examples, they allow bilinual signage in their respective communities and regions.
 
2006-05-06 06:00:13 PM
BobtheFascist: Are they talking about the "EXIT" signs that are over every door? If so, how f'in tough is it for anyone to learn that E-X-I-T means exit? It's not like it's a 3 paragraph instruction on how to open the damn door & leave.

That comment reminds me of the ER episode where the baby dies after an accidental overdose because the label to the pills said 'Once' and didnt give the baby one, but 11, since once is the spanish word.

I teach at a school in Miami where some kids have just gotten off the boat. I am married to a Colombian and arguments like this and the whole immigration debate really gets to me.
 
2006-05-06 06:00:45 PM
I speak native american! And Proudly.
 
2006-05-06 06:03:33 PM
willywanka

No, I'm sorry, they do not. English is one of the Philippines national language, according to the 1987 Constitution. They have "co-national languages", which is understandable in a more global market.

The US has no national language, and that is downright stupid. It promotes national unity, breaks down cultural barriers, and avoids confusion in school and government. At home, with your family, anywhere else, do whatever.
 
2006-05-06 06:03:50 PM
OMG... how stupid are people????? WHY take down signs that are ready up, to replace them with less effective signs???


OMFG! How Stupid are People??
 
2006-05-06 06:05:27 PM
what is wrong with a bilingual society anyway? in 100 years it will be all one language. or everyone may be dead.
 
2006-05-06 06:06:00 PM
BobtheFascist

They are talking about replacing effective emergency signs with less effective signs. No matter how much you support Hitler, you have to admit this is a bad Idea (if saving people is a goal)
 
2006-05-06 06:06:57 PM
jpreon

Why do we need a national language?

It doesn't promote national unity, it promotes single-mindedness.

Americans should be learning more languages, not fewer. Compared to most first world nations, we're moron when it comes to being able to speak different languages.

Let's do like the phillipines-- let's make our national languages Spanish, English, and Cantonese. Anything wrong with that in your view?
 
2006-05-06 06:07:44 PM
This is not about bilingual, or spanish-friendly or any crap like that... it is about replacing current signage with less effective signage... I don't care what you think about foreigners, that is a bad Idea! PERIOD
 
2006-05-06 06:14:02 PM
Obdicut

You can learn whatever language you want. For continuity, you leanr one language to conduct business and government. Imagine, if you will, if everyone used a different unit of money. Very crappy results, and the EU noticed this and made changes. If I were to go to China, I would be inclined to learn Cantonese so I could cater to my host's sesibilities. What's wrong with that?
 
2006-05-06 06:14:54 PM
My school has some signage in English, Spanish and Kreyol. And any correspondence that goes out to parents goes out in English and Spanish. I hate people who are single language minded.
 
2006-05-06 06:17:51 PM
jpbreon: If I were to go to China, I would be inclined to learn Cantonese so I could cater to my host's sesibilities. What's wrong with that?

Well, depending on what part of China you went to, it would be wrong because Cantonese is only spoken in the South. If you wanted to speak to people in the government, or anyone else in the North, you would learn Mandarin, as that is the language spoken there (and is in fact the "official" language of the government).

Dumbass.
 
2006-05-06 06:19:16 PM
if i went to china, i would just scream MOO GOO GAI PAN!
 
2006-05-06 06:22:07 PM
jpbreon: No, I'm sorry, they do not. English is one of the Philippines national language, according to the 1987 Constitution. They have "co-national languages", which is understandable in a more global market.

You can learn whatever language you want. For continuity, you leanr one language to conduct business and government.


So, which is it? It's "understandable" for the Philippines to have more than one national language, but we should only have the one? Basically what you seem to be claiming is that everyone should speak English; if a country doesn't speak English traditionally, they should add it as an official language, but if we do speak it, we shouldn't speak anything else?
 
2006-05-06 06:22:48 PM
Chameleon

*sigh*

A lot of ad hominem attacks tonight.

IN THAT CASE, I would go to Southern China. The point being, I would learn the goddamn farking language of the place I was going. Can you get that?
 
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