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2006-05-06 05:16:52 PM  
E.T. vs. Yoda? E.T. would have to bring a big damn stick, Yoda got some skills.

/a vote for Yoda
//and a vote for slashies!
 
2006-05-06 05:18:40 PM  
This is a dumb discussion.

Death Star stats: missile, laser and ship proof force field; monstrous, planet-destroying, super laser cannon; countless surface-air laser cannons and thousands of tie-fighters at the emperor's beck and call, piloted by mindless clones. ONLY WEAKNESS IS TINY EXHAUST PORTS AND TUNNELS BIG ENOUGH FOR SMALL ATTACK AIRCRAFT (1-5 MEN MAX)


Enterprise Stats: Equivalent size of a star cruiser--too big to attack DS core; weapons include laser and photon torpedoes--both useless against the DS unless the shield is down.

Death Star wins in my estimation, but I'll give the Enterprise crew points for ingenuity, resilience and intelligence. They could get the shields down, but if they escaped Endor, then they still have the problem of trying to get at the DS's weaknesses.

Eh juce canna doo it cap'n!
 
2006-05-06 05:19:02 PM  
And as a side note, anybody who honestly believes the 200 gigaton Turbolasers should die in a fire. SW weapons are megaton range at best, super weapons (like the DS's main laser) aside.
 
2006-05-06 05:21:24 PM  
Klingons being good friends of the Federation will cough up the stealth technology and VOILA! Enterprise goes stealth, pops up behind the DS and sticks a Boot up its a$$ i.e. exhaust.

Simple.
 
2006-05-06 05:21:58 PM  
Sg1 Would kick anyones ass
 
2006-05-06 05:23:06 PM  
Two Words: Peter Cushing

isn't he like the Grand Muff Farkin or something?
 
2006-05-06 05:24:12 PM  
"Holly_Wight" Or you get a small boy to get emotionaly attached ET, after they bond pull them apart and ET should die of a broken heart.
 
2006-05-06 05:28:29 PM  
You're kind of missing the point.

Yoda, in the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi was barely able to move. He was feeble-looking. Same with Episode I- He was hobbling around on a CANE.

We had NO IDEA that he would suddenly focus the Force, drop the cane, and turn into a badass.

So apply the same Force ideal to E.T., as he's clearly using the Force in his own movie, so there's no reason that when left with no option, he'd focus the Force, and turn into the same jumpy-leapy Force warrior that Yoda was in Episode II & III.
 
2006-05-06 05:29:43 PM  
death star pwns
 
2006-05-06 05:30:39 PM  
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2006-05-06 05:30:58 PM  
Or you get a small boy to get emotionaly attached ET, after they bond pull them apart and ET should die of a broken heart.

Ah-ha! Much like Padme did in Episode III.
 
2006-05-06 05:35:37 PM  
here ya go savonola!
img.photobucket.com
it was the first thing i thought of too.
 
2006-05-06 05:36:14 PM  
Is it over yet?
 
2006-05-06 05:37:10 PM  
Yeah, I see where you're going with E.T. all caffine buzzed and all, but he just can't bring it with that goofy big head and tubby little body. Yoda was a freak, but a better proportioned freak.

/it's all about balance
//and slashies
 
2006-05-06 05:38:55 PM  
first off,the trek tech manulas are NOT canon,the ENT E is scaled at 1200meters,the manuals say about half that.



warp straffed ptorp into the vent shaft,game over.


sw sucks
 
2006-05-06 05:40:00 PM  
I wonder what happens if you decided to let the whole "Who would win in a fight?" thing just keep going and going up to and past the point of absurdity.

I mean, what if you had something that could beat both the Enterprise and the Death Star, and it did, but something even MORE powerful showed up, and you had to find something more powerful than that thing to fight it and kill it?

What if you repeated that sequence over and over for, like, ten years or something? Could you do something like that? Don't these discussions eventually become pointless? Eventually?

www.100megsfree4.com

Oh yeah, right.

Never mind.
 
2006-05-06 05:43:42 PM  
Reading this thread made me get teh nerd.
 
2006-05-06 05:48:32 PM  
http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=7435


here is the longest running thread on the subject.
 
2006-05-06 05:52:03 PM  
I Invented Crack - Pretty interesting stats - Where did you paste that from?
 
2006-05-06 05:54:42 PM  
NX-01, since it never really existed, Death Star wins by default.

NCC-1701: Scotty would find a way to modify the photon torpedos (torpedoes?) to act as homing missiles in half the time he tells Kirk he can do it in, and the homing photon torpedo would then find that one weak spot, and the NCC-1701 would win.

B wouldn't win since everything they would need wouldn't be coming in until the next week (or whenever it was in the movie).

C would put up a fight, end up in a temporal rift, causing a very long war, and the D would find the C, and somehow the C would end up back in their proper time with another Tasha Yar onboard, and valiantly sacrifice themselves, but Yar will be captured and have a half alien daughter.

D would be able to. Geordi is almost as good as Scotty.

E would get througouly beat up, but they would eventually come out on top.
 
2006-05-06 06:00:42 PM  
Special Circumstances topples the Empire and persudades the Federation to join the Culture.

End of Story.
 
2006-05-06 06:01:58 PM  
If the Enterprise had a warp core overload (or whatever its called) I could see maybe that explosion taking out or critically damaging the Death Star.

Of course I dont think they could jettison warp cores on the old class ship.
 
2006-05-06 06:05:33 PM  
But what also I'd really like to see is Galactus vs Unicron.

Who'd eat who? Would Silver Surfer be forced to fight Sharkticons? Would they wind up dancing w Eric Idle-bot to "Dare To Be Stupid" or "You got the Touch"?

/thank god im already married to a woman that appreciates and shares in our geek wisdom

//Unicron vs Unicorn?
 
2006-05-06 06:39:27 PM  
I wonder what happens if you decided to let the whole "Who would win in a fight?" thing just keep going and going up to and past the point of absurdity.

I mean, what if you had something that could beat both the Enterprise and the Death Star, and it did, but something even MORE powerful showed up, and you had to find something more powerful than that thing to fight it and kill it?

What if you repeated that sequence over and over for, like, ten years or something? Could you do something like that? Don't these discussions eventually become pointless? Eventually?


Mr. Rogers would win in a blood stained sweater, of course.

o/' It's the ultimate battle of ultimate destiny! o/'
 
2006-05-06 06:45:17 PM  
altrocks: 4: The Force. Since when could Vader look out a window and will a ship thousands of miles away to do anything? If he could do that, why build the Death Star?

to be fair, although I think the enterprise would win, i must say the Force is powerful enough that it could make a difference, since there's one documented case of a guy tossing back a fleet of star destroyers using only the force. Granted the effort killed him, but still.
 
2006-05-06 06:49:32 PM  
did you know that jedi are not allowed to have sex!!!!!


star wars role models-900 year old robe wearing virgins

trek role models-a bad ass space captain that nails every hottie in the galaxy



and yes,MR rogers would win,thats a great video
 
2006-05-06 06:53:40 PM  
But who would win in a fight between Barney the Dinosaur and Wesley Crusher?
 
2006-05-06 06:54:35 PM  
Captain Kirk would force the Death Star to surrender using the "Corbomite Maneuver".
 
2006-05-06 07:05:02 PM  
Star Trek is science fiction.

Star Wars is science fantasy.

Star Trek writers attempt to utilize the known (or supposed) laws of the universe to explain its "magic".

Star Wars writers just do whatever the hell they want with no basis in reality whatsoever. (i.e. The Force) That said, the Death Star would win...but only because it's less rooted in reality than Star Trek? Not much.

Yes I realize Star Trek is 100% fictional. But how much technology today is compared to what you may have seen in Star Wars compared to Star Trek? (Communicators, tricorders, antimatter energy sources, warp travel...)
 
2006-05-06 07:08:08 PM  
Captain Kirk... WOULD CHEAT AND WIN...OHHH YEAAAHH!
 
2006-05-06 07:08:26 PM  
WOAH! I did NOT post all that. What the hell? Must've been clipboard weirdness. I'm really sorry, y'all.
 
2006-05-06 07:09:15 PM  
you poor, misguided fools.
one ninja is all it takes, and both your pathetic, nerdy universes are reduced to ashes.
and then the ninja wails mad guitar.
can you beat mad guitar wailing with the force, or your stupid little phasers?
fark no.

ninjas. every time.
 
2006-05-06 07:14:03 PM  
Crack is a wonderful drug ;)
 
2006-05-06 07:38:10 PM  
Denny Crane. Denny Crane.
 
2006-05-06 07:44:49 PM  
Kobayashi Maru!
 
2006-05-06 07:48:57 PM  
grunthos: Now, the Enterprise had no problem travelling back and forth in time at will to fetch whales, etc.

Actually they did that in a Klingon Bird-of-Prey.
 
2006-05-06 08:01:07 PM  
Oh boy! I was having a bad day 'til I read this thread. This is by far the nerdiest thing I have ever read in my life and I have found myself strangely drawn to it!

/What about Death star vs the Borg?
 
2006-05-06 08:10:59 PM  
Jeez...I'm gone from Fark for a half-day and this is what happens? This excrement gets greenlighted??

Oh, that's it...I'm taking down the server.

/Hate getting relocated to the basement.
//With all of these office supplies stored in my cubicle.
///Where's my paycheck?
////It's MY stapler.
 
2006-05-06 08:11:13 PM  
What about Death star vs the Borg?

Some Borg beam onto the Death Star. The Death Star fires it's turbo lasers at the cube, eventually the Borg adapt to the turbo lasers. Tie fighters are sent after the Borg cube, and eventually the Borg adapt to the TIE fighter attacks. The Borg then start capturing TIE fighters and assimulating them and sending them after other TIE fighters.

The Borg on the Death Star, some of them die until they adapt to the storm trooper blasters, then the Borg easily take the Death Star over.

If the Borg cube is hit with the Death Star's super laser then it would clearly be destroyed, unless the Borg on the Death Star assimulate those who know about the power of that super laser, then the super laser becomes useless against the Borg (see "Best of Both Worlds part II).

/yeah, I'm a nerd
//yeah, I actually have a reference to prove part of my arguement.
 
2006-05-06 08:14:50 PM  
guys guys: Simple answer:

STar Trek: TNG tells us that simple laser weapons would be stopped even by the deflector shields of a starship. (Lt. Worf said this line, and we might assume the Galaxy-class flagship might have more powerful deflectors then most, but I'll just say for now that deflectors are pretty standard throught starfleet - a small meteroid has to be stopped, runabout or Prometheus-class). Star Wars Imperial ships use lasers. Some heavy torpedo weapons and the death star's cannons may well require real shielding, but in the end, if we are lead to believe this is true, an Oberth-class science ship with a blind monkey in command could take over the empire.
 
2006-05-06 08:18:32 PM  
Ron and Russ Post shift the lot to a reality of their choosing where Russ (with little effort) persuades the commanders to blow their own brains out with Alka-Seltzer and Ron simply crushes the remainder with his boot heel.

"It may stop but it never ends."
 
2006-05-06 08:18:48 PM  
Great Janitor: If the Borg cube is hit with the Death Star's super laser then it would clearly be destroyed, unless the Borg on the Death Star assimulate those who know about the power of that super laser, then the super laser becomes useless against the Borg (see "Best of Both Worlds part II).

Well, consider this. Could there be a point where you could just dump enough raw energy into a cube which could then destroy it? It could be that for every joule of destructive energy that is pumped into a cube, the borg would have to expend a joule of energy into their sheilds. So then, you could make the argument that the planetary laser would completely overwhelm the maximal energy production of a cube. Even if the borg were 10x more efficient, and they only needed 1 joule to disapate 10 joules of energy, I still think the planetary laser could just overwhelm a cube based on sheer destructive energy. The reason the cube in BOBW-II withstood the enterprise deflector beam was that the energy production of both ships was comparible.
 
2006-05-06 08:24:24 PM  
The reason the cube in BOBW-II withstood the enterprise deflector beam was that the energy production of both ships was comparible.

Actually, stated on screen by Locutus was that the modified deflector weapon failed against the Borg was because Picard knew enough of the attack to prepare the Borg for it.

It really doesn't matter, in my scenero, even with the Borg cube destroyed the Death Star is still taken by the Borg. Two borg managed to take control of the Enterprise E on 'Star Trek: First Contact' so clearly an away team of Borg could easily conquer the Death Star. I just feel sorry for anyone who meets up with an assimulated Death Star. Odds are a well placed proton torpedo won't destroy it.
 
2006-05-06 08:31:34 PM  
Great Janitor: Actually, stated on screen by Locutus was that the modified deflector weapon failed against the Borg was because Picard knew enough of the attack to prepare the Borg for it.

Let me put my example another way. Say you're playing football, and you have a hidden microphone on the opposing sideline, and you know exactly what play they're about to do. You could adapt to it and thus crush your opponent. Now however, consider that they replace their players with trained elephants. However prepared you may be for their play, you aren't going to stop a bunch of rampaging elephants.
 
2006-05-06 08:52:50 PM  
All the Trekkies would have to do is get that neutronium cannolli thing and sic it on the death star. Let Vader and the darkside of the force get turned into neutronium on contact. Of course if you set it up with a Romulan cloaking device, all the better.
 
2006-05-06 09:01:41 PM  
For those that continue to bring up the impossible numbers regarding the Empire's weaponry and shields, and for the guy who stated the Empire/Republic has been around for millenia therefore it has more advanced technology, I have just one question for you...

Why is all the cooler tech on Star Trek then? Cloaking device, Interphasic Cloak, Transporter, Holodeck, Metaphasic Shielding, Phasers...should I continue? Star Wars has NONE of these things, nor anything even comparable.

Disregarding the retarded numbers, the only thing DS would have going for it would be sheer girth. It would take a while for the Enterprise to take it out, unless it exploited a weakness...which is what was done to both DS1 and DS2.

/game set and match, Enterprise
//lasers are for girls
 
2006-05-06 09:05:26 PM  
The Borg on the Death Star, some of them die until they adapt to the storm trooper blasters, then the Borg easily take the Death Star over.

Ah, but since Stormtroopers can't actually hit anything with their blasters, the Borg would never have a chance to adapt!
 
2006-05-06 09:09:47 PM  
 
2006-05-06 09:11:22 PM  
To put it more bluntly, the MF could take out the Enterprise with ease.
 
2006-05-06 09:17:58 PM  
Damn, this thread is still going, in case you didnt hear her, mommy said it was time for bed.
 
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