Espertron: Technobabble... the Duex Ex Machina of the Federation.

And "The Force" is the Deux Ex Machina of Star Wars. What's your point?

Enterprise

but who would be the captain? Kirk or Picard?

either way the death star and it's pussy light speed fighters would be owned by the enterprises warp drives

Couldn't the federation, using a cloaked ship, just beam photon thingys onto the Death Star and watch it blow up from the inside out?

Beaming technology is golden unless they have a counter measure.

Or go back in time and kill Darth when he was still a boy?

Why am I thinking about this?

Time for me to geek out...

How long did it take Vader to Force-choke his admirals? About 10 seconds?

Enterprise-D crew complement was about 1000. 1000 people to choke * 10 seconds per choke is 10000 s, or a bit less than 3 hours.

Whatever the Enterprise tries against the DS, it would have no more than 3 hours to do it.

Also, Picard Maneuver. ftw.

game.

Or, alternatively:

*Enterprise warps into vicinity of DS*

Troi: "I sense a powerful mind."

*Vader appears on Enterprise bridge viewscreen*

Vader (waving hand): "You must activate the autodestruct."

Picard and Riker (in unison): "We must activate the autodestruct...."

Could the USS Enterprise take out the Death Star?

Ummm...no?

Why not try something more evenly matched?

here's the definitive link . . . The enterprise is so tiny relative to a executive class star destroyer not to mention the death star.

http://mijnkopthee.nl/images/space_comparison_chart_huge.jpeg

To those who say the Enterprise would win because phasers and photon/quantum torpedos are stronger then turbo lasers, I still want to express the fact that the Death Star is much bigger then the Enterprise and it would take a long ass time for the Enterprise to manuver around the Death Star and hit it enough times to expose a breach that they could use to destroy the Death Star. This becomes worse if the Empire dispatches Star Destroyers to help out. And while yes, the shields in Star Trek are superior to the ones in Star Wars, the shields on the Enterprise will not hold out long enough to destroy the Death Star.

Now, if there was some cargo bay or docking bay inside the Death Star for the Enterprise to fit inside, and the Empire tried to capture the Enterprise, then they could just blow up the damn ship and destroy the Death Star that way. As said in Star Trek the Motion Picture, the Enterprise self destructing would be powerful enough to destroy V'ger, so clearly, it would be enough to destroy the Death Star as well.

As for the transporters, the Enterprise would have to drop their shields in order to transport anything or anyone, so that would allow the Death Star (and any supporting tie fighters or captial ships) to destroy the Enterprise.

What are the relative sizes of the two? I seem to remember the Death Star being compaired to a moon. Thats pretty big. It might not win, but the Enterprise might just run out of time and ammo before actually destroying it. Kinda like taking down a Rhino with a BB gun... Sure you can do it... but it'll take you forever! And you have to avoid that one pointy bit.

1: Death Star doesn't have it's own shield generator. One torpedo from the Enterprise to Endor's surface and that shield is gone (no away team, no cute little Ewoks making friends with Sulu).

2: TIE Fighters have no shields whatsoever. One blast from a SW LASER kills them. I'd hate to see what a ST PHASER would do to the pilot in there.

3: Again, Lasers Vs. Phasers. I don't think all those hundreds of laser batteries would even make a difference to the enterprise. It's navigational shields are meant to prects it from small meteorites that it hits while travelling at hundreds, if not thousands of times the speed of light. That's a whole lot more energy than a simple laser battery can put out. The only weapon that would even damage the ship would be the Main Gun of the Death Star. It's well nigh indefensible.

4: The Force. Since when could Vader look out a window and will a ship thousands of miles away to do anything? If he could do that, why build the Death Star?

5: Transporters. I think they discounted the use of transporters way too much. Why send a torpedo down a small ventilation shaft where it might not hit the target when you can beam like 50 torpedos right next to the target and make them blow up before the enemy even knows you did anything.

I think it would be an even match. The enterprise would have to manuever for a while, avoiding the main gun, taking out the shield generator and TIE Fighters (who have no shields). That would be the biggest shallenege. After that, though, just go into synchronous orbit around the Deaht Star on the opposite side from the main gun and beam some explosives into the power generator. Boom. Done. And if they happen to have a nuclear weapon on board that they could use, even better.


Also, as someone wrote in the comments in the original article, the Enterprise is not a war machine. The death star is. I'd like to see how the death star would do against, oh... say... the Defiant? Cloak + Massive Weapons Array + Worf + Dax (both were hot) + Sisco half human, half god-alien that exists outside time). He should be able to counteract the force pretty damn well once he gets back from his wormhole vacation.

/STFU, GBTW.

Wait. What if the Enterprise was captained by Mike Ditka?...

Xenomech

Could the USS Enterprise take out the Death Star?

Ummm...no?

Why not try something more evenly matched?

We try this because a lot of people seem to disagree with me and you on this

Mentat

Only those who are already sensitive to the force can utilize it. Assimilating a jedi may teach the collective the philosophy of the force, but it's not going to make them force sensitive. Otherwise, the jedi could simply recruit members to be jedi, rather than searching the galazy for those who are sensitive to the force and train them.

Unless the Borg were able to extract the midichlorians from a Jedi, concentrate them, bind them to nano probes and then inject them into a drone.

Ha!

Everyone knows that midichlorians are just a joke to confuse a young skywalker. they don't exist. that would be stupid

Great Janitor

Glad somone else thought of that too!

A Base Star would beat them both at the same time. Countless Boomer and Six clones would fark the crew of both the Enterprise and the Death Star silly and then nuke them to nothing.

altrocks: 1: Death Star doesn't have it's own shield generator. One torpedo from the Enterprise to Endor's surface and that shield is gone (no away team, no cute little Ewoks making friends with Sulu).

That wouldn't work, or the Rebellion would have done it themselves. The only way the Rebels could even get on Endor was to smuggle themselves on in an Imperial transport. That shield generator was protected by the shield it generated.

SilverSpike: Countless Boomer and Six clones would fark the crew of both the Enterprise and the Death Star silly and then nuke them to nothing.

The enterprise has holodecks, thus hot clone sex has no hold over the enterprise.

Pedroloco

I like that image. Vader is force choking one person at a time until they are all dead as the crew of the Enterprise scrambles to bring down the DS before they are all dead. Will they beat the clock? How many redshirts will survive?!

People writing off TIE Fighters as useless are greatly underestimating their firepower, I think. Not to mention that there's more than one class of TIE. The TIE Bomber can carry proton torpedoes, concussion missiles, heavy rockets, or heavier ordinance, and are a good anti-capital ship platform. Not that the Enterprise is big enough to be a capital ship, the D version is about 650 meters long, the 1701 is about half that.

If you could use the holodecks to make countess boomer and Six clones then nothing, and I MEAN NOTHING, would every get done by any ship that had a holodeck. That and the fights that would break out when someones holodeck time was up.

"If you could use the holodecks to make countess boomer and Six clones then nothing, and I MEAN NOTHING, would every get done by any ship that had a holodeck. That and the fights that would break out when someones holodeck time was up.'

Dennis Miller said something about VR sex back in the 90's. Something about the day Joe Sixpack can sit in his Lazyboy and fark Claudia Schiffer for $4.95 an hour, it'd make Crack look like Sanka.

syphonhail

It also has the advantage of lasting just as long as a feature-length fan fic.

/just because it can be done doesn't mean it should be done

SilverSpike: f you could use the holodecks to make countess boomer and Six clones then nothing, and I MEAN NOTHING, would every get done by any ship that had a holodeck

That may be true for the first 2 weeks or so. But I'd imagine that by then, you'd get to this point -

You - Can't we just cuddle tonight?
Boomer & Six - We want Snoo Snoo!!
You - Please, the spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.

And soon, you settle into an easy pattern of 2-3 times a week.

Children, children....

Wow, you kids really don't have a grasp on this, do you?

First off, the DeathStar is like 0-2? It gets beat by any farm boy in an x-wing, and you think the Enterprise couldn't? THE ENTERPRISE IS 56-0-7!!!!! THIS IS WHAT THEY DO!!!!!

The DeathStar is a purpose built tool, it blows up planets, and fends off the rag tag rebel raiders. Thats why it has all kinds of vulnerabilities like exhaust ports big enough to put a photon torpedo down.

The Enterprise would blow the DeathStar out of space and report back the they were meeting interesting new species and moving on to meet more.

You can fill in the blanks any way you want, but Spock lifts an eyebrow, Scotty shakes his fist, Bones says Jim! and Kirk gets his dick wet. Buh bye DeathStar.

Bah, you oldtimers and your Kirk. Enterprise D and Picard would blow the DS away.

All the Enterprise would have to do is stay out of the line of fire of the DS's main cannon (not too hard to do, just stay on the opposite hemisphere). If the DS tries to reorient itself to target the Enterprise, the Enterprise would have more than enough time to move away/move around.

DS sends some fighters and fire some minicannons at Enterprise? No contest. Fighters would be picked off by the Enterprise's guns and torpedoes, the Enterprise's shields would take the beating no problem.

After that, use the teleporters to beam antimatter into the DS, or use the teleporters to beam the staff and machinery from the DS to the void of space. How would the DS's main cannon work if, say, the power conduits or the focusing crystals were teleported out?

After that, just slice up the wreckage with torpedoes, and end the episode with Picard philosophizing in his ready room.


(For Gundam Seed/Destiny Fans)------------

The real question is, can the Enterprise or the Death Star survive an attack from Strike Freedom Gundam, Infinite Justice Gundam, Eternal, and the superweapons Requiem and Genesis?


Strike Freedom + METEOR weapons platform could solo practically all of the DS's fighters. (If you havent watched Gundam Seed/Destiny, Strike Freedom + METEOR spams missiles and lasers. A lot. And by a lot, I mean metric F loads of shots.)

HeHeHe


First off, the DeathStar is like 0-2? It gets beat by any farm boy in an x-wing, and you think the Enterprise couldn't? THE ENTERPRISE IS 56-0-7!!!!! THIS IS WHAT THEY DO!!!!!

To be fair, the deathstar should have some on its success lists. it did take out a number of rebels and a planet.

and its not just "any farm boy with an x-wing" the force was involved. It couldn't have been done without it.

And to bring up what someone said earlier, why does a vehicle in the vaccum of space need exhaust ports?

Heh. It is a scale issue: The Empire ships are much faster, much more powerful, have a much better warp drive, and there are way more of them.

But, the Trek fans always fall back on to the whole "they shoot lasers" thing. Yes, at one point the Enterprise meets a little ship that shoots lasers and says that they wouldn't even get through the navigation shield.

Every ship in Star Wars travels VASTLY faster than the fastest ships in Star Trek and doesn't blow up in transit. They are, therefore, more heavily protected than the Federation ships by a similar order of magnitude.

And yet turbo lasers take them apart with ease.

We can assume a laser pointer wouldn't hurt the Enterprise either, fortunatly that is not what we are talking about. Think power levels that punch clean through a Federation ship and keep going.

This whole argument is silly, as soon as the Enterprise initiates contact with the Death Star, Darth force chokes the entire bridge crew. Starting with the captain.

The End.

I ain't even believin' this ain't been linked yet:

Googlefight!

Depends on whether you believe the nonsensical numbers given for the energy output of S.W. ships. If you do, then even a core breach on the Enterprise wouldn't register as more than a blip on the D.S.'s shields.

Disregarding those, Enterprise A would likely lose to the D.S. Enterprise D, I'm going to go with a stalemate. Neither one would have weapons capable of destroying the other. Except for that plannet-asplodey whatchamacallit, which is obviously a bit too unwieldy to level against the Enterprise.

GuyCaballero: Free Radical: The Enterprise often if not always fought at warp speeds. I would LOVE to see the DS even try to hit the Enterprise as it warp-strafed it to oblivion.

If that tactic actually worked, then explain why the Klingons didn't use it to destroy DS9.

What?!? OK, If you had said Cardassians or Breen or Jem Haddar, I might take you seriously. But Klingons?

/Oh my, I seem to have come out...
//But farkin Klingons? Are you on crack?

"DS sends some fighters and fire some minicannons at Enterprise? No contest. Fighters would be picked off by the Enterprise's guns and torpedoes, the Enterprise's shields would take the beating no problem."

I can't agree with this. The article is about the 1701, which fires 2 beams straight ahead, but the 1701-D rarely fires at more than 1 target at a time that I've ever seen. It would be more like a large flock of crows taking out a hawk. Not to mention the station's turrets, some of which are half the size of the Enterprise.

I also suspect that the transporters would not be able to do much of anything to the Death Star, even if the Empire doesn't have technology to specifically block them, EM interference would be considerable.

Death Star vs Enterprise. I used to think that ST technology (phasers, photon torpedos, et all) were superior. I then did some reading from several different sites comparing and contrasting. The mere size of SW technology vs ST technology wouldn't be even fair. For instance, Death Star size of a moon, Enterprise orbits around moons. Big freakin laser that destroys planets. Does anything ST have even compare let alone any Enterprise. Even the rebel corvettes are bigger than Enterprise E. Hands down, even if it is just the Death Star alone Vs any Enterprise, Death Star wins in a landslide. Not even bringing in any type of Tie Fighter that would aid in the defense of the Death Star.

And if you think about it logically. If the Death Star had to take down shields every time a ship entered or left, it would be down the entire time. You would assume that the shields would be taken down only in the spots necessary. BTW, only ROTJ was the Death Star protected from the planet below.

In case you are wondering, I am a fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek. I am purely looking at this from a fact finding standpoint.

OMG_ponies!: What?!? OK, If you had said Cardassians or Breen or Jem Haddar, I might take you seriously. But Klingons?


http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/First_Battle_of_Deep_Space_9

didn't read all the prior responses but the trek crew could just beam a photon torpedo into the DS's reactor.

Enterprise ---LOLZ---

A fully complete DeathStar would destroy the Enterprise!

But Mark Hamhill Could take them both with nothing but an R2 and LightSaber

\RIP RED 6
\\...Enterprise..LOLZ

Now, if it wasn't the Enteprise, but the Voyager from the final episode of 'Star Trek: Voyager', then I would say that the Death Star would lose to Voyager. Voyager had those super shields and not to mention 'transphasic' torpedos. A full compliment of those would definitly destroy the Death Star seeing as how transphasic torpedos are designed to pass through a ships shields and hull and detonate within the ship/station/starbase.

/That would be the only ship from the Star Trek universe I'd bet on destroying the Death Star

All this stuff has me wondering... why do Federation ships launch guided torpedos at all. Why don't they just beam them into proximity? Once the shields are down, why do they beam on a boarding party? Why not beam out the enemy captain and beam in a holographic generator projecting a double who orders the enemy crew to stand down?

I only have one thing to say. The empire loses.
To anyone. At any time.
Hell, Space 1999 could beat the Empire.

After all, they were defeated by a bunch of fuzzy midgets in monkey suits..

Ewoks>Empire.

Deny it, you can not.
Suck it down Warsies.

altrocks: Also, as someone wrote in the comments in the original article, the Enterprise is not a war machine. The death star is. I'd like to see how the death star would do against, oh... say... the Defiant? Cloak + Massive Weapons Array + Worf + Dax (both were hot) + Sisco half human, half god-alien that exists outside time). He should be able to counteract the force pretty damn well once he gets back from his wormhole vacation.

I gotta agree, the Defiant (1 and 2) were excellent weapons platforms. All the stuff I've seen on this thread entails SW superior energy outputs. But I think the most relevent posts had to do with the guy talking up the damn Iowa class battleships. Beautiful in their own right, but irrelavant in today's modern warfare.

Battleships=Deth Star

HARM/Harpoon missles/Phalanx CIWS=NCC-1701D/Defiant

Might don't necessarily mean right

All this stuff has me wondering... why do Federation ships launch guided torpedos at all. Why don't they just beam them into proximity? Once the shields are down, why do they beam on a boarding party? Why not beam out the enemy captain and beam in a holographic generator projecting a double who orders the enemy crew to stand down?


As I stated before, transporters don't work when the shields are up. Starfleet captains don't like the idea of dropping their shields during a battle. Mainly because it the time that it would take to beam the torpedos to the location (assuming that the torpedos were already loaded onto the transporter pad and ready to go), that would be a virutual eternity in which the ship would be exposed, and the perfect time to aim for the bridge of the ship, or target a few torpedos for the main engineering section.

As for the hologram part of the question. There has really only been one moble hologram emitter, and that was on Voyager, and it was actually from the future. There have been moments when people have used bigger, not as moble hologram emitters, but they would still be pretty obivious to the enemy.

I only have one thing to say. The empire loses.
To anyone. At any time.
Hell, Space 1999 could beat the Empire.

Thats what I'm say'n

Lost in Space? Empire loses

Land of the Lost? Empire loses

MacGuyver? EMPIRE LOSES!!!! IT IS THEIR RAISON DE ERTRE!!

GuyCaballero

OMG_ponies!: What?!? OK, If you had said Cardassians or Breen or Jem Haddar, I might take you seriously. But Klingons?


http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/First_Battle_of_Deep_Space_9

Arrrgh. PWNED. I submit to your superior Fed-fu.

Alright, look. Everyone here is forgetting that Star Wars "lasers" aren't really lasers, even when they are called turbolasers. They're directed plasma weapons, analogous to moving lightsaber beams.

Slightly off-topic, but a friend came up with this theory:

E.T. the Extraterrestrial was a Jedi

Facts:

We see that E.T.'s people are part of the Galactic Senate in Episode I. They exist in the Galaxy Far, Far Away, where Jedi also exist.

E.T. can enter a healing trance (Near the end, when he's "dead")

E.T. can heal other people's wounds ("Ouch.")

E.T. can form a mental link with particular individuals. (Elliot, obviously)

E.T. can levitate several boys riding bicycles. (At the end during the chase)

Ergo, E.T. is a member of the New Jedi Order. The books indicate that the Jedi Order does, indeed, have botanists (which E.T. is, if you read the book), and clearly his ship is one capable of hyperspace (it would have to be, and besides, we see it warp away at the end).

E.T. is a Jedi botanist who was on an outbound project with his people. He got stranded, linked with Elliot, called for his people, got sick in Earth's atmosphere, and entered a Jedi healing trance. He used the Force to get Elliot and himself to the landing site.

Crazy? At first I scoffed at my friend for saying this, but now I think this theory actually holds water.

So now, here's the question:

E.T. vs. Yoda. Discuss.

The enterprise, and everything else from star trek would just bore the people on the death star to death.

Holly_Wight you can push ET over and you have won, I cant see him getting up can you?

But aren't we all forgetting the really important question; who would win in a race, the Enterprise or Millenium Falcon?

/Warp Drive vs Hyperdrive
//Kirk and Han would prolly go get a beer afterwards, either way.

///as for death star v enterprise:

no tie fighters - that would be cheating, this isn't ncc1701 vs tie fighter
which Enterprise, I'd take the E to this fight
it could start a warp core breach, beam it into the Death Star, maybe?
any enterprise is smaller than the cap ships the DS was nailing in rotj, think it could avoid the main gun instagib, at the least stay on the dark side of "thats no moon"
don't know what the range of the DS turret arrays are, they could possibly take out Enterprise shields pretty quickly with combined fire
TNG shows the Enterprise is good at making surgical strikes on planets, and the DStar is a planet sized object
Does the Enterprise indeed have schematics/knowledge of the DS weak point?
transporters may or may not be effective, plenty of troops on the DS - and is there a shield being transmitted from endor?
can the Enterprise have one of the Calamari at helm or conn for any necessary last-minute Trap declarations?

Fark it all if you're serious about this shiznit you'd take the Defiant in cloaked, hit the hole, and be home in time for Romulan Ale

Oh my... I've redorculated..
don't know if I ever un-dorculated!

flagg85

you can push ET over and you have won, I cant see him getting up can you?

The same could be said of Yoda in ESB or ROTJ. He was nowhere near as agile as he was in Eps. I, II, and III. But when he focuses on the Force, he becomes a super-jumpy killing machine... Figure the same would happen with E.T..