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2006-05-05 02:29:17 PM
Alright, let's go over a couple of things. First, it's atheist, not athiest. If you're going to have a discussion on the nature of the concept, spell the goddamn word right.

Second, theism and atheism are metaphysical positions. They always and only refer to one's belief in the existence of God. Gnosticism and agnosticism are epistemic positions. They refer to what one believes it possible to know.

Seriously, does something like this need to be posted early in every religious thread from now on just to head off the farkwittery?
 
2006-05-05 02:29:45 PM
Everyone above this post is wrong.

PEW PEW PEW L:ASE!R EYES DOOM HAR HAR

>_>

ohnoesanimeeyespewpew
 
2006-05-05 02:30:15 PM
Abagadro: People act like Hitler personally pulled the trigger on people. The Nazi war machine was made up of German citizens, 90-95 percent of which were Christian, mostly Lutheran


Given that he was the mastermind and ultimate leader of the Nazi party and the Holocaust, I have no problem blaming him above all others. People can be brought and manipulated to do almost any bidding. It doesn't get them off the hook - they are still responsible. But the one who manipulated them is the most guilty.
 
2006-05-05 02:30:26 PM
Albert

And my other quotes from 1944, 1 year before his death?

/you have to be a troll
 
2006-05-05 02:30:29 PM
I_C_Weiner
Do you believe in manbearpig? Or do you believe he does not exist? Or do you not believe in manbearpig? Or do you have an unbelief in manbearpig? Do you believe in a world with manbearpig or a world without manbearpig?

Which one makes you a manbearpig athiest?


No, I do not believe in manbearpig. In fact, I might go so far as to say that the version of the concept of manbearpig portrayed in South Park probably is non-extant, seeing as it was contrived by two authors known for writing fiction. But I can not claim that nowhere in the universe is there a creature that might well fit the description - however vague - of manbearpig. But then, it's not my job to - it's the job of the positive claimant of the existence of manbearpig to demonstrate evidence for the existence of this hypothetical entity. Nor am I obligated to wring my hands and say "well, maybe it could exist somewhere, or something like it", because the same could be said of an infinite number of unevidenced hypothetical entities, whether one calls them "the invisible pink unicorn", "the flying spaghetti monster", or "god".

(I do believe that was the shiattiest episode of the season, though)
 
2006-05-05 02:30:37 PM
worldbeater: Seriously, does something like this need to be posted early in every religious thread from now on just to head off the farkwittery?

Yes.
 
2006-05-05 02:30:38 PM
muninsfire Book of Exodus

I'm going to need you to be more specific.
 
2006-05-05 02:30:52 PM
Abagadro
People act like Hitler personally pulled the trigger on people. The Nazi war machine was made up of German citizens, 90-95 percent of which were Christian, mostly Lutheran.

Good point. You can't trust people who want all the tenents of Catholocism but want the bible in their own language.

If Luther were alive in 1935, he'd of nailed his 95 theses to the first Jew he saw.
 
2006-05-05 02:31:05 PM
2006-05-05 02:23:02 PM Immaculate_Misconception
I got my ass handed to me by claiming that Hitler was an atheist, so I'm going to name some other really bad guys in an effort to divert attention from the fact that I've been PWNED!


heh! You would have to meet me in person before you could "hand my ass to me".

Back to me earlier point:

Atheists such as Hitler, Kim IL Jung, and Kim Jong-il have killed and repressed far more people than the few "Christian" groups you broguht up earlier. I could provide a list with dozens more atheists who have done more aginst mankind than any Christian groups you could compile. Perhaps you are the one who has been "pwned".
 
2006-05-05 02:31:07 PM
missed it each other.
D'oh.
 
2006-05-05 02:31:32 PM
Albert: As I've already stated, he renounced God and Christianity and went on to slaughter millions of innocent people.

Really? So on what date did he renounce this belief in God?

This quote suggests that he still believed in a God four years after the Holocaust began.

Lollipop165: "The judgment whether a people is virtuous or not virtuous can hardly be passed by a human being. That should be left to God." - Speech, 1942

Why are you ducking my request for evidence supporting your incorrect assertion?
 
2006-05-05 02:31:57 PM
the only thing i got out of this thread was that the pope jumped out of a helicopter to avoid an antimatter explosion.
 
2006-05-05 02:32:13 PM
aorldbeater

Second, theism and atheism are metaphysical positions. They always and only refer to one's belief in the existence of God.

Not exactly.

Theist - belief in god
A-theist - without a belief in god

That's very much different than "a belief god doesn't exist"

"no belief" != "belief that no"

This is relatively straight forward stuff.
 
2006-05-05 02:32:26 PM
SpongeBlob_HairPants: I'm going to need you to be more specific.

With this headache?

Gimme a few.
 
2006-05-05 02:32:34 PM
Hey, Albert? Just say you were wrong. It's OK, life will go on. Ready? I'll go first....


I was wrong.

See?
 
2006-05-05 02:32:36 PM
quickdraw, Perhaps you can provide me with Hitler's religion when he was slaughtering millions of innocent people?
 
2006-05-05 02:32:37 PM
muninsfire: "I can see our house from up here."

That was so wrong. On so many levels. And funny as hell.

/Cleaning up my keyboard
 
2006-05-05 02:32:39 PM
clayndwoods: I'm betting he wasn't Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etc., and sure as hell wasn't Jewish.

He had a cousin or aunt or something that was jewish, and supposedly had some jewish ancestry. He hid her somewhere so know one would find out or some such crap.


His step-father was Jewish and beat him badly. Jeeze people am I the only one that paid attention in history class?
 
2006-05-05 02:32:40 PM
Tatsuma: Didn't you tell me you were not frum?

I guess you went to hebrew school or had contact with frum people, cause you have a better grasp on the religion both theologically and historically than most people posting here



Thanks.

Not frum.
Likes mafrum
 
2006-05-05 02:32:55 PM
Dansker: I didn't get there until September

I was there through August so we did just miss each other. Thats pretty funny we were there about the same time and sounds like had similar experiences.
 
2006-05-05 02:32:56 PM
Robobagpiper Your semantics will costs this country dearly. I am so serial!!!!
 
2006-05-05 02:33:07 PM
Albert: Lollipop165, he said that in 1922. As I've already stated, he renounced God and Christianity and went on to slaughter millions of innocent people.


a 1941 quote, i believe the killing was well underway by then...

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so," he told Gerhard Engel, one of his generals, in 1941.
 
2006-05-05 02:34:31 PM
Albert
Lollipop165, he said that in 1922. As I've already stated, he renounced God and Christianity and went on to slaughter millions of innocent people.


You provided a statement that he rejected Christianity. You did not provide a statement that he rejected belief in God.
 
2006-05-05 02:34:54 PM
Albert: quickdraw, Perhaps you can provide me with Hitler's religion when he was slaughtering millions of innocent people?


ASATRU!!!! That was it! Google it fer crying out loud.
 
2006-05-05 02:35:08 PM
muninsfire Tatsuma

I have to go, but I would like to see the Scripture you're referring to. I'll be back later.
 
2006-05-05 02:36:03 PM
heh! You would have to meet me in person before you could "hand my ass to me".

It's a figure of speech. And you DID get your ass handed to you here. Badly.

Back to me earlier point:

Atheists such as Hitler, Kim IL Jung, and Kim Jong-il have killed and repressed far more people than the few "Christian" groups you broguht up earlier. I could provide a list with dozens more atheists who have done more aginst mankind than any Christian groups you could compile. Perhaps you are the one who has been "pwned".


TRANSLATION:

"LA la la la la! I can't hear you! La la la la la! You have lost! La la la la la!"
 
2006-05-05 02:36:27 PM
For those of you who want to argue about Hitler's theology...Nixon was a Quaker.

JFK was a [whisper voie] Catholic.

Pope John Paul II was an olympic skier.

/Just sayin'
 
2006-05-05 02:36:32 PM
"Albert: Perhaps you can provide me with Hitler's religion when he was slaughtering millions of innocent people?"

got it from this site: http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/back/hitler.html

You will find it in Mein Kampf: "Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's Work."

Hitler said it again at a Nazi Christmas celebration in 1926: "Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle against the world enemy, the Jews ... The work that Christ started but could not finish, I -- Adolf Hitler -- will conclude."

In a Reichstag speech in 1938, Hitler again echoed the religious origins of his crusade. "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work."

/i could be wrong.
 
2006-05-05 02:36:52 PM
Albert: heh! You would have to meet me in person before you could "hand my ass to me".

This is the first correct thing I've heard you say today.

Back to me earlier point:

Atheists such as Hitler, Kim IL Jung, and Kim Jong-il have killed and repressed far more people than the few "Christian" groups you broguht up earlier. I could provide a list with dozens more atheists who have done more aginst mankind than any Christian groups you could compile. Perhaps you are the one who has been "pwned".


Okay Popeye, my original assertion was: "I would assert that Christians are "hurting" more people in the world right now than athiests."

To which you said something about Hitler.

Which brings me to repeat for one last time my request for you to back up your assertion that Hitler was an atheist?

BTW, do you even know what an atheist is?
 
2006-05-05 02:38:34 PM
What a masturbatory thread this turned out to be.

Attention Idiots:
Fundamentalism does not equal actual religion.

Please read the above sentence until its meaning sinks in. Thank you.
 
2006-05-05 02:38:49 PM
I DIDN'T READ A SINGLE DAMN POST AND IM DAMN PROUD OF IT

RELGIOUS ARGUEMENTS MAKE ME SICK

EVERYONE DISAGREES

EVERYONE ALWAYS WILL


THESE AREGUEMENTS ARE STUPID.
 
2006-05-05 02:38:59 PM
SpongeBlob_HairPants: Well, remember on Mount Sinai when G-d spoke to all of the nation of Israel and told them that these laws are binding forever and ever, that these statutes will never change

"02:031:016 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to
observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a
perpetual covenant."

That's for the 'binding forever' bit. You'll have to ask Tatsuma about the 'never human' bit 'cuz I can't remember where that bit is.
 
2006-05-05 02:39:26 PM
Drasancas
Not exactly.
Theist - belief in god
A-theist - without a belief in god
That's very much different than "a belief god doesn't exist"
"no belief" != "belief that no"
This is relatively straight forward stuff.


I thought it would be understood that my use of "one's belief in God" would be understood, in that context, as "whether or not one believes in God". I simply cut out the term "or lack thereof", thinking it unnecessary. It appears I should have left it in. As for the rest of it...I think we're actually agreeing.
 
2006-05-05 02:39:38 PM
AladinSane: There are far more ancient documents attesting to his existance than there are for 99.99999999999% of the rest of humanity.
shipofthesun: references please.
/diffuculty: No bible verses


See Lee Strobel's The Case For Christ and Crucify Him: A Lawyer Looks at the Trial of Jesus by Dale Foreman, a lawyer and former instructor in the Washington State Bar Association, for the "secular" references you seek.
 
2006-05-05 02:39:42 PM
tatsuma:

I'm not familiar with the details of the jewish take on the messiah but here is an interesting site.

http://www.torahofmessiah.com/

Now I see what you mean about being human.
 
2006-05-05 02:40:16 PM
What is the record for most comments on a single thread? As of now it is at roughly 1,030
 
2006-05-05 02:40:16 PM
Sicarim: I DIDN'T READ A SINGLE DAMN POST AND IM DAMN PROUD OF IT

RELGIOUS ARGUEMENTS MAKE ME SICK

EVERYONE DISAGREES

EVERYONE ALWAYS WILL

THESE AREGUEMENTS ARE STUPID.


Ignorance is bliss?
 
2006-05-05 02:40:39 PM
harryjrf:

Bible fight! BIBLE FIGHT!!!

Now THERE is a Photoshop contest just waiting to happen...

/STILL not going to see DVC
//Albinism isn't evil
///Dan Brown is a hack
///Ron Howard knew better
////Fark them both
/////OK, now this is just getting ridiculous with the slashies...
 
2006-05-05 02:40:52 PM
Headso: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so," he told Gerhard Engel, one of his generals, in 1941.


Albert, are you purposefully avoiding the Hitler quotes from the 1940's in which he still identifies himself as a Christian?

Or are you going to stick with your current strategy by claiming that Catholics aren't Christians?
 
2006-05-05 02:41:54 PM
 
2006-05-05 02:42:38 PM
baorao

Official 78th annual Oscars discussion at 3901
 
2006-05-05 02:42:54 PM
This thread has turned out to be one huge threadjack I don't think there has been a comment about the Da Vinci code for like 500 posts.

/yeah I'm guilty too
 
2006-05-05 02:43:26 PM
What is the record for most comments on a single thread? As of now it is at roughly 1,030

have you ever seen the Ha! Ha! guy thread?

\Christian
\\Staying out of this hell-hole.
 
2006-05-05 02:44:11 PM
The link is on the left of the page "Top Comments"
 
2006-05-05 02:44:15 PM
sbf2009: \Christian
\\Staying out of this hell-hole.


There is a joke in there somewhere :P
 
2006-05-05 02:44:58 PM
2006-05-05 02:32:39 PM quickdraw

His step-father was Jewish and beat him badly. Jeeze people am I the only one that paid attention in history class? ?

Hitler had a stepfather? you must have been payin attention to teh boobies during that class.

\all guys highschool, myself. dang.
 
2006-05-05 02:45:59 PM
MayorYana: Atheism (or however its spelt) is a belief

Saying atheism is a belief is like saying you have a belief that you are not a 6-foot tall sentient piece of cheese. Until I mentioned it, I doubt the thought ever entered your mind.

Atheism is a lack of belief.
 
2006-05-05 02:46:15 PM
Immaculate_Misconception, Somewhat similar to today’s politicians Hitler said many things publicly but felt much different about them personally. If you think he was a Christian in 1941 then how could you explain his hatred of Christianity?
 
2006-05-05 02:47:19 PM
So how long is the longest thread ever?
 
2006-05-05 02:48:08 PM
I am familiar with Godwin's Law but I often wonder why discussions about Hitler turn up so often on internet forums? I have seen raging Hitler discussions on some of the weirdest threads. Somebody should write a thesis about this.
 
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