Percival Sweetwater

I_C_Weener: So? Where in the Bible, or Christian theology does it require equal respect from others?

It's one of them there commandments. Something about love thy fellow farker.

He's asking the opposite, really.

Not "You must love thy neighbors"
But rather "Your neighbors (christain or not) must love you"

I_C_Weener: I want chocolate chip.

Sorry, I only have Girl Scout cookies. Freshly made from real Girl Scouts though. Delicious!

walkingtall: Bitter nasty angry people like you never cease to amuse me.


"Nassssty little unbelievers, yesss. We hatesss them precious, we hatesss them!"

I wanna vote for beheading celebrities too!

Can we start with Tom Cruise?

Then again, odds are very much in favor of the movie being much better than the book, a book
I only tried to read in the bathroom, and found so... what's the word... insipid, that it turned
me off from taking a shiat, each time.

Dan Brown, dyschezial.

Yah, 'Aztec' was pretty good. It would make an excellent movie.

As for religion, I think it was the product of curiosity and bad technology. I think the social stuff came later.

Fishflinger: I wanna vote for beheading celebrities too!

Can we start with Tom Cruise?


Remember to swing low.

I'm not watching the movie, nor did I read the book. As a believer, I find it laughable that Christ slept with anyone, because that implies that He is not who He claimed to be: the perfect, sinless, sacrifice for sin. But hey - if the world is under the influence of the "ruler of this age" (Satan) like the Bible says it is, then this kind of propaganda/activism is obviously to be expected.

That all being said, it doesn't matter what anyone says, or what kind of book, movie, accusation they make, because I know Whom I have believed and it really matters not what anyone else says in the end.

So...if other Christians/Catholics want to go see it, they're free to because according to the Bible "all things are legal, not all things are beneficial" to those who are in Christ. However, being that this is a slap in the face of our God, I would highly recommend you label it the blasphemous piece of garbage that it is and not even give it the time of day.

Occams_Electric_Razor: see I liked it best followed by The Name of the Rose
of course I don't read french so I had to get someone to translate the punch line
I just find its apt because of the plot (plus every person who throws Dan Brown's work forth as truth reveals which of the 4 types of thinking they fall in ; ) )

There's some truly impressive mental gymnastics going on here:

It's ludicrous to believe that Jesus got married and had kids (like just about every other man) when everyone knows the truth is that he was born to a virgin, performed miracles, died for our sins and came back to life three days later. People shouldn't believe every work of fiction they read when the truth is readily available in the form of a milleniums-old tome of transcribed oral history, translated and edited countless times by men who, by the book's very definition, are fallible and out for themselves.

WalkingTall :"I understand the situation perfectly"

You also understand that the bible is a work of fiction that has troubled humanity for about 2000 years right?

/crap! F5 key just jumped off of my keyboard and ran away.

walkingtall: Bitter nasty angry people like you never cease to amuse me.

Right back atcha. I'm normally quite happy. Ignorant fools, however, I will not tolerate.

I attacked nobody except the flat out lies and falsehoods in a book.

*gasp* A novel has made-up stuff! Be sure to go after Harry Potter next!

people like you come in and personally attack me for no reason

We have plenty of reason. You make idiotic and irrational arguments, all the while positing yourself quite the martyr. You are a disgrace to everyone who has real faith and has suffered for it. You are a sniveling coward with a sense of entitlement.

This is why we claim persecution...we did a pretty damn good job

Aaaaaaaaaand here we go (swearing's a sin, BTW)! Let's see how persecuted Christians are:

During the 1988 election campaign, George Bush said that Christians should not be considered patriots or real American citizens.

Most major newspapers run a special weekly section devoted to Atheism. There are no equivalent sections for religious news.

Christian churches are forced to pay exorbitant taxes

Organizations such as the Boy Scouts deny membership to Christians.

In school, our children are made to recite the pledge, "One nation, anti-God, indivisible...."

Christians often find it nearly impossible to get time off work for religious holidays such as Christmas.

Nearly all of our elected public officials are Atheists; they even have to swear on a copy of Darwin's "Origin of Species" in order to take office.

Churches are extremely rare, while Atheist meeting centers can be found every few blocks.

Businesses often refuse to admit that they are Christian owned and operated, for fear of being boycotted by their Atheist customers. Meanwhile, Atheist-owned businesses often feature Darwin-fish logos in their ads.

Books which promote Christianity are often removed from library shelves in response to Atheist pressure groups.

Gambling is freely legalized for secular purposes, yet churches have to have their bingo halls in Las Vegas, Atlantic City or on Indian reservations.

The word "Christian" is recognized as a term which represents the worst of human attributes: cynicism, pessimism, selfishness, and moral turpitude. The word "Atheist," on the other hand, is used to signify all that is virtuous, as in, "That's mighty Atheist of you!"

Prisoners have become wise to the fact that they may receive early paroles if they claim to have found Atheism and been saved by Darwin. Such a conversion to rationality is thought to be a favorable sign of the rejection of a life of crime.

Atheists do everything possible to get laws passed that will prevent irrational Christians from making their own choices in matters of sex, procreation, life-styles, family units, etc.

During the Solstice Season, nearly every network airs reruns (ad nauseum) of "It's A Rational Life", "Reason on 34th Street", "A Solstice Story", "The Stupidest Story Ever Told", and other Atheist favorites. Christian programming cannot be found.
Would you like more examples?


But given the chance you would not give Christians the same right in return.

This is an absolute lie. You whine because you and your beliefs no longer have monopoly over public discourse, and you claim to be persecuted and silenced.
If you actually believe what you say, you are a fool.
If, as I suspect, you are merely trying to shove everyone else under your foot again...then you are a liar, a coward, and a disgrace. You are unwilling to share the spotlight.

Have you no shame?

walkingtall

I'll lead you through this slowly, since you're having a hard time at reading comprehension. Dan Brown wrote this:

All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate.

So, look at it like this:

All descriptions of .. documents... are accurate.

Now, he didn't write this:

All documents are accurate

If he did write that last one, it would mean that he's saying the documents are truth. But he didn't. He's merely describing what's on the documents, not attesting to their veracity.

Got it now?

I see Theaetetus drank more than his share of the kool-aid.

My cat approves of this thread.

Umberto Eco > Dan Brown

That is all

muninsfire: How are we sure that Jesus was Jewish?

'cuz he was sure his mother was a virgin, and his mother, like all Jewish mothers, thought he was God.


... and he lived with his parents, went into his father's business.

But he was really Mexican:

1) His name was Jesus
2) He was running around with 12 homies
3) He got nailed for petty crimes

Drasancas: He's asking the opposite, really.

Not "You must love thy neighbors"
But rather "Your neighbors (christain or not) must love you"

Yeah I know, just trying to rattle some cages. Not working. :(

AladinSane:
THE BOOK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, "THE DAVINCI CODE", is poorly researched, completely un-vetted, and claims that it's wholly imaginary history is "fact".

I'm as atheist as they come, and I agree completely.
Sorry about ruining your stereotype.

mindbuzz
I find it very telling that you people seem to believe that a good life is one that is lived without hardwork or self-improvement. If your goal is to become a lazy bum, then I am sure it is one that should be easily reached. What's keeping you from achieving it? Start today! Fools.

Hey, I upgraded to TotalFark. That's an improvement on my life.

The only thing that you probably did was built a 3-storey ladder to assist Jesus in lifting your soul during End Times(tm). You also donated 10% of your earnings to the church, and another 25% to NASCAR. I hope you feel better when the 6000 year old earth once again turns to fire and your soul is spared the liberal barbeque fest.

Apparently I don't know what I'm talking about

Sir Charles: Christians believe in God's new covenent with Jesus, which invalidates basically everything in the old testament. Your post shows your lack of understanding of the subject at hand, perhaps you shouldn't be commenting on things you don't understand.

Perhaps then you can explain to me where, in the new covenant with Jesus it says that homosexuality is wrong then? But I'm fairly sure I'm on the right path. It's ok to use the old covenant to carry on the fear of Homosexuality, but we have to deny the other parts because it doesn't fit what certain people want.

It's like going to an Asian Restaurant;
'Umm I'll have some from column A and some from column B, but keep the fear mongering... '

My point is basically that most are more then willing to pervert anything they can to have it seen their way, and only their way. Whether it's Dan Brown's book or Gay Marriage the point is simple, when in doubt resort to hypocrisy.

walkingtall

I understand the situation perfectly. Dan Brown claims fact. He claims he has "true" documents to support his facts. His history is wrong. His documents are false.

It.
Is.
Fiction.

He can claim anything he wants. It's classified as fiction, so basically, end of story.

If anyone has any issue with him/it beyond that, they're working themselves into a frenzy over nothing.

They are real documents but just because I write" the sky is green" on a piece of paper and leave it for 2000 years does not make it true.

It's funny how you don't see how that statement applies to the bible as a whole, Mr. "It wouldn't be true if it didn't last 2000 years". (Pretty sure you said that once)

...had kids how does that change the New Testament teachings? " THAT is why it is dangerous.

Because slow dumb people can't verify their information, but blindly accept anything that's said to them?

How is that a BOOK OF FICTION's fault again?

Falsehoods are being accepted as truth because the mass media is claiming it is truth.

No, falsehoods are being accepted as truth because of slow, dimwitted people not being able to understand that it's classified as fiction.

Show me the evidence where some news organization or somesuch has stated clearly and specifically that this book is 100% true, in all its statements and assertions.

She knows the characters are made up. She knows the chases are made up. But the supposed "facts" Dan Brown claims are being accepted and they are just wrong. It is pure lies. It is false.

Because it is a BOOK OF FICTION.

Am I speaking greek here?

I'm Christian, I think all *stories* can be told. We'll leave the fact telling to the Bible. :)

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Wait, you were serious? I'm scared.

read the book, it was entertaining, not that great, angels and demons wuz better

i'm catholic in the sense that it's my religion, but i never let that get in the way of my faith . . .

my mother in law is gonna be all kinds of pissed about this movie, she's a total catholic robot.

want a good read? Try Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson.

i think it's funny that born agains and "real christians" condemn us catholics every chance they get. they must skp over that whole "judge not" verse in the bible

SpongeBlob_HairPants: find it laughable that Christ slept with anyone, because that implies that He is not who He claimed to be: the perfect, sinless, sacrifice for sin.

Sleeping with your spouse is a sin?

I'm not watching the movie, nor did I read the book.

Then you have nothing to say about it.

walkingtall

I understand the situation perfectly. Dan Brown claims fact. He claims he has "true" documents to support his facts. His history is wrong. His documents are false. They are real documents but just because I write" the sky is green" on a piece of paper and leave it for 2000 years does not make it true.

Oh the irony.

walkingtall: THAT is why it is dangerous. Falsehoods are being accepted as truth because the mass media is claiming it is truth.


Oh i see. It's dangerous to the little box of belief that you feel comfortable in, because it challenges the boundries of your universe. O.k. I tought you meant it was dangerous to someting that mattered to the rest of the world.

/whew, that was a close one. Thanks for being ever viligant though.

Somebody should use their indoor voice.

Merle27: Occams_Electric_Razor: see I liked it best followed by The Name of the Rose

In retrospect I think that where it stumbled for me was with the pacing. I very much enjoyed the story, but he needed a fearless editor to help pare back his wordiness.

For my money, it was with TNOTR where he hit the perfect balance of story, pacing, and historical backgrounding.

As a believer, I find it laughable that Christ slept with anyone, because that implies that He is not who He claimed to be: the perfect, sinless, sacrifice for sin.

Where did he claim that?

why is anyone that is remotely religious is automatically considered a 'fundie'?
anyways someone who claims to be religious should know the 'fundamentals' of it and none of the major religion tells you to go out and kill everyone.

and please stop quoting the Bible/Torah/Qu'ran without actually reading it and understanding it. thanks

walkingtall
Yesterday I was talking to one of my Christian friends and she looked at me and stated "Now that it has been proven Jesus was married and had kids how does that change the New Testament teachings? " THAT is why it is dangerous.

Did you ever stop to consider that perhaps the problem is not the book but the person who believes anything they read?

Christianity in fact encourages this mindset--encourages people to believe what they read in the Bible without question, so is it any surprise that some people who accept this mindset will believe ANYTHING they read?

Anyway, I wouldn't consider it "dangerous". If you are concerned, the proper response to your friend might be, "you do realize that the Davinci Code is just a work of fiction, and the Bible is still the source of truth."

If the book was classified as non-fiction, walkingtall might have a leg to stand on.

So far, I haven't seen any evidence that this book and/or movie has compelled anyone anywhere to oppress/persecute/headbutt any christains.

That's because the rest of us realize that it's only a book of fiction.

"As a believer, I find it laughable that Christ slept with anyone, because that implies that He is not who He claimed to be: the perfect, sinless, sacrifice for sin."

Yeah, but you are also assuming that Christ thought sex/marriage is sinful. Haven't read the Bible in forevs, but I dont think he says that really.

I see that The Davinci Code is doing the Devil's work quite nicely among most of you Farkers. There is so much hate and blasphemy spewing from your infected keyboards, I am almost afraid to even particiapte in this thread. However, I know where the Truth lies and I shall be protected. I pray that, someday, everybody will feel the same way.

Wait a minute here! Da Vinci Code is a work of fiction?!?! Say what?? Mongo no like fiction.

Lucky13

why is anyone that is remotely religious is automatically considered a 'fundie'?

They aren't. Pay attention.

and please stop quoting the Bible/Torah/Qu'ran without actually reading it and understanding it. thanks

Ohhh the loophole! Not only must you read it you must "understand" it too.

Aka "my own subjective interpretation that is automatically correct".

What also needs to be remembered is that the Templars left a bad taste in many christian purists back then-the idea of militarizing the church was iffy to them(although with the Muslims invading Europe they were ok with it) and the idea of specific warrior monks full time in the churches ranks crossed the lines.




Do not fark with the Templars.

Best sermon ever:

Book: If you take sexual advantage of that girl, you're going to burn in a very special level of Hell, a level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

/doesn't take religion as serious as some people take other fiction

Sheeze. I leave the thread for a half-hour, and what happens? It devolves *completely* into a flamewar; there's only one joke; people are using BIG LETTERS to yell at each other...

Didn't that Jesus guy tell us all to love one another or somethin'?

And it's not bad advice for the atheist types, too. Be nice to people, and they'll usually be nice back.

/Is this 'reverse trolling'?

I know reading to the end of a book is hard for some of you, but really, the tone of the story changes in the "New Testament". God matures a little, has a kid, and mellows.

Perfection and change are mutually exclusive. If the Xtian god is perfect, he has never, nor will ever, change.

Discuss.

I_C_Weener But it is good to know that you believe that all sex is bad and evil, and procreation is the only good that overcome that devil lust.

Really? Please...take a minute out of your busy schedule and show me where I said that sex was bad? You assume too much.

mindbuzz

I see that The Davinci Code is doing the Devil's work quite nicely among most of you Farkers.

Actually, the main drive of any anti-christian angst isn't this book of fiction, but rather... christianity itself.

Occam's_Electric_razor: well i read an english version and while it did have a hiccup or two; I thought it was pretty amazing for a foreign language novel to translate so well....though I later heard he wrote it for an English audience to debunk Holy Blood, Holy Grail....ironically the authors of that obvious work of fiction (despite claiming it was non fiction) tried to sue Dan Brown and lost...



on a side note to people really upset by the Dan Brown's book ...read Eco's it might help with the perspective
(plus it has Templars and sexy Brazilian girls)

drasancas, you hit the pope on the head with that one.