I_C_Weener: What is squandered about "love thy neighbor"?

Did you just try to claim that all Christians are about loving their neighbours? I guess so long as they aren't gay or atheist, you mean.

Or does moron jsut come naturally to you?

Insults about intellect work so much better when you spell the sentence correctly.

What really pisses me off is that these old-school Christians rush to judgement on the implications of a piece of fiction before they even read it themselves. My church is going to do a sermon series on warning against the DaVinci Code and the questions that could arise from "non-believers." I think this is pretty dumb. It's just another example of fearing something that you don't understand. The important thing is the concept of Faith which, IMHO, the church loses perspective on anytime there's some big new social fad (The DaVinci Code, The Passion of the Christ etc) that the church feels like it has to defend itself against or support. IMHO, Faith shouldn't be regulated or it contradicts the very definition of what faith is.

Being a person of faith, I found the book very interesting and it suggests some very interesting possibilities. I especially like the bridge it establishes between science and religion. I am still very aware that you still pick the book up in the fiction section but it does get the wheels turning on suggesting that there could be some truth to it.

trappedspirit

LineNoise:
THE GOD DAMN POPE JUMPED OUT OF A HELICOPTER TO AVOID AN ANTIMATTER EXPLOSION

Such an obvious troll attempt.

/how many people gonna quote this message?

Lots, now.

/AN ANTIMATTER EXPLOSION!

Judging from the headline I'd say the submitter has christians confused with islamists.

Anyway, I have to go teach a remedial. Have a fun flamewar, all.

mindbuzz I know that it gives you guys a woodie to be all irreverent and stuff, but it will come back to haunt you and you will probably spend eternity in Hell. There is nothing wrong with humor, just don't be stupid about it.

Dude, nice trolling!

/you were trolling, right? Right?

I_C_Weener: No. The Pope allowed it. King Phillip was the one who wanted the gold and land. Friday the 13th.

Going to have to take exception to your invocation of "Friday the 13th".

Jason Voorhees had nothing to do with the Templars.

infantry: alright well that settles it. its time for an 'infantry' magic card.

You mean, like, "Call out the infantry!" or something like that?

/Is there someone named "Calvary" on fark?

DrCocktosten
I KNOW! Whats up with that!?! Theres plenty of misguided angry psuedo-Christian hypocrites looking to judge you on his laws instead of worrying about themselves. Be mad at them ...or feel sorry for them - they're the first ones judged.

Umm. I'm too stoned for this. I think I'll go pray.

The thing that gives me the biggest amount of solace is the knowledge that the people involved with this film -- every last one of them -- will face an eternity of unimaginable pain, butchery, and torture.

I reject your god.

King Phillip was the one who wanted the gold and land.


That's what it was...I knew it was something like that. I don't doubt the Pope got some cake for his help.

I knew the motive was avarice instead of something deep and profound. The Templars were so good with money, it pissed a lot of people off.

I hate this dumb book for the fact that so many thick people think it's true.

but enough about the bible, what about "da vinci code" ???

Slackfumasta: Dude, nice trolling!

/you were trolling, right? Right?

Sometimes, it's hard to tell.

How do we know Jesus really liked to surf?

'cuz he was nailed to his board, man...

Slackfumasta: Dude, nice trolling!

/you were trolling, right? Right?

Yes you can always expect mindbuzz to argue the side of an issue that insures him getting the most attention.

This is so dumb because the idea behind the DaVinci code is a stupid one that has been around for 30 years and isn't supported by any scholarly research, by either Christians or atheists. Not even worth a FARK thread.

UberDave: So what temperature does Hellfire burn at? I hear it is best for cooking pork. If that is true, it is kind of on the low end as Pork is done when it hits about 155-160deg Fahrenheit. Is there any literature out there that says Satan will adjust the fire on request?

Well, you have to remember that sometimes Hell freezes over. So you'll have to watch out for that.

I_C_Weener: Says you!

/Actually, it was his mom the whole time.

Mary?! I knew it! All virgins are scheming, aren't they?

just to keep it going. it should be ANTIMATTER ANNIHILATION.

plus, didn't the camerlengo use a jacket as a parachute? LOL. should give everyone some sense of scale about what the word 'fact' means to mr. brown.

How about getting worked up over some real shiat... like all the child molestors in the Catholic church?

Pestilence Dragon Google is your friend.
/Agnostic
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When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
You ought not to be making sacrifices at all. It is forbidden to offer any sacrifice outside of the Bet haMikdash. Read tractate Kodashim instead.

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

It depends on whether or not your daughter is a virgin. The "virgin's dowry" mandated in the Torah is 200 zuzim (or dinarim). The zuz is reckoned at 0.384g of pure silver; therefore, if your daughter is a virgin, 76.8g of silver is an appropriate price (N.B,: the troy ounce is 31.102g). A non-virgin daughter is not assigned a value in the Torah, but the Sages decreed that she should be valued at at least 100 zuzim.

If you don't know whether your daughter is a virgin, shame on you for neglecting your parental responsibilities. Fear not, however; Rabban Gamliel the son of Rabbi figured this out 1800 years ago.

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
The laws of modesty (tznius) forbid the touching of any woman (save one's wife) in a romantic way (derekh hibba) whether they are menstruating or not.

If you can't tell whether or when your wife is menstruating, you have non-Halakhic problems that I can't help you with.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
Actually, it is technically forbidden to own any slave. The reason is that it is forbidden to own any non-circumcised slave (or, in the case of women, who have not been purified in the mikvah). However, a slave who is circumcised (or purified) must them go free in the Sabbatical or the Jubilee Year (Exodus 21:2, Leviticus 25:8-55).

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
You are forbidden to kill him yourself. The death penalty may only be administered by a court of 23 ordained rabbis (see tractate Sanhedrin). Since there are no genuinely ordained rabbis (and won't be until Elijah returns), no competent court can be convened.

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Eating shellfish is definitely the lesser abomination. The Talmud and those Rishonim who have commented on the subject agree that there are three mitzvot which may not be violated even under threat of death: murder, forbidden sexual relations, and idol worship. Since the laws of kashrut are not among these, they may be violated for the sake of saving a life (including ne's own life).

Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Blindness in one eye (or, of course, both) is considered to exempt one from the positive commandment to approach the altar (in effect, to make pilgrimage to Jerusalem).

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?
They will suffer "death by the hand of Heaven".

I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
Yes, provided that afterwards you immerse yourself in a valid mikvah.

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
You can't do either; see the answer to question e).

halcyon thought: THE GOD DAMN POPE JUMPED OUT OF A HELICOPTER TO AVOID AN ANTIMATTER EXPLOSION

Popes on a helicopter! And there ain't a god-damned thing you can do about it!!

Drasancas

Now you have directed your anger at me. Why? I truly pity you, and have said another prayer for you. You may hate me, but I could not hate you, nor anyone else who was made in our God's image and likeness.

"Love thy neighbor." That is His greatest commandment. Peace be upon you, my friend.

Sadly, as a side note: A arthistorian/professor at my school I spoke to once said she's actually been asked many times while at museums with copies of the works from DVC if she could point them out..

Truth: People are farking stupid and belive what they read in a blatant fiction.

/L. Ron Hubbard proved that?
//Oh, someone's gonna say the bible proved that too :D

muninsfire

i was thinking more along the lines of "call out the scumbags who are lazy, dont work, and stand around and smoke cigs all day."

/4 years active
//11b

modified cornstarch - I don't know if you made that or not, but damn it cracked me up!

The Sofa King

Now you have directed your anger at me. Why? I truly pity you, and have said another prayer for you. You may hate me, but I could not hate you, nor anyone else who was made in our God's image and likeness.

Though I'm sensing a disturbance in the troll-spacetime continuum, I would point out that I have no anger.

That doesn't mean I can't point out other people's rediculous claims.

"Love thy neighbor." That is His greatest commandment. Peace be upon you, my friend.

You be the absolute 100% first so called christain who's actually adhered to this concept, assuming you aren't trying to troll me.

shipofthesun

halcyon thought: THE GOD DAMN POPE JUMPED OUT OF A HELICOPTER TO AVOID AN ANTIMATTER EXPLOSION

Popes on a helicopter! And there ain't a god-damned thing you can do about it!!

I want these god-damned popes out of my god-damned district! NOW!

/ANTI MATTER EXPLOSION!

infantry: i was thinking more along the lines of "call out the scumbags who are lazy, dont work, and stand around and smoke cigs all day."

Oh, you're in the actual infantry? Cool.

Eh, I dunno. It might make the flamewar a bit hotter if everyone got all active.

But then again, according to mindbuzz I'm going to hell for telling jokes anyway.

Hopefully Tatsuma shows up...want to double-check that telling jokes about G-d is alright for Jews, too.

First christain that I've met, that is.

If memory serves, the pope(a frenchman) was actually second to the King in the line up for Templar funds behind Philip IV. As a matter of fact, Clement(the pope) seemed to be Philips push toy in the whole matter.


What also needs to be remembered is that the Templars left a bad taste in many christian purists back then-the idea of militarizing the church was iffy to them(although with the Muslims invading Europe they were ok with it) and the idea of specific warrior monks full time in the churches ranks crossed the lines.

I know it's Old testament.Yet all the major players arguing against Homosexuality and Same Sex Weddings and such all use the same argument. Leviticus 18:22! I just assume that if we're sing that as the argument for telling the Homosexuals to fark off, that the other laws must be important as well.

Leviticus 18:22 (KJV)
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 18:22 (NASB)
You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

(wasn't sure which bible You prefer so I double quoted so there wasn't an confusion) Ok, so this is a little off topic of the movie and book, buts it's still Xian related.

The hell are you guys talking about. It was the Dark Templars that were persecuted. They had to go live on that cave looking planet. And then Tassadar died using their energy, and became the savior/messiah for both light and dark templars. Read your god damn Bible.

muninsfire: Hopefully Tatsuma shows up...want to double-check that telling jokes about G-d is alright for Jews, too.

I think I can speak for him when I say yes

5h4wn: The hell are you guys talking about. It was the Dark Templars that were persecuted. They had to go live on that cave looking planet. And then Tassadar died using their energy, and became the savior/messiah for both light and dark templars. Read your god damn Bible.

........huh?

Templars come in flavours? Like chocolate?

Shouldn't we have chocolate templars at easter, then, instead of bunnies?

IdBeCrazyIf: I think I can speak for him when I say yes

I'm pretty sure it's alright; I just couldn't remember if it had been mentioned or not.

But considering the number of jokes about Jews by Jews, I can't see why they wouldn't make a joke or two about G-d.

/What's the difference between a Jewish Princess and a 747?
//The plane stops whining when it gets to Miami.

The hell are you guys talking about. It was the Dark Templars that were persecuted. They had to go live on that cave looking planet. And then Tassadar died using their energy, and became the savior/messiah for both light and dark templars. Read your god damn Bible.

And yet the Zerg still survived!

I_C_Weener: And Baphomet to worship.

Wasn't that the Masons?

this has an unlikely tag....why?

The hundreds of christians I know, including my wife and I, don't really have a problem with this movie. It's entertainment fer christs sakes!