The second anyone gets up on an airplane and says anything about hijack, they will immediately be beat to death by a mob of passengers. Box cutters aren't gonna work this time.

Actually, I'd say that the Oklahoma City bombing started the trend (and some of the later international bombings sealed the deal).

9/11 might have increased security awareness, but it was already going on its own.

There have already been more than a few incidents where airline passengers have ganged up on and beaten down troublemakers. The next folks trying for another 9/11 are going to have to be a bit more creative.

Of course, the "next 9/11" won't have anything to do with aircraft...

El_Swino: Of course, the "next 9/11" won't have anything to do with aircraft...

It won't involve commercial passenger flights. But there's still cargo planes and too a lesser extent, chartered flights to be concerned with. But I too doubt that another 9/11 using airplanes will be pulled off again anytime in the foreseeable future.

7of7

The second anyone gets up on an airplane and says anything about hijack, they will immediately be beat to death by a mob of passengers. Box cutters aren't gonna work this time.


I seriously doubt that.

Let's face it. Most people are total cowards. In life threatening situations they rely on hope or religion rather than negotiation or force. This isn't an insult. Just an observation of human nature.

If a mean looking brown guy opens up a flight attendant's arteries and sprays the first three rows with blood, the whole plane is going to do exactly what he says. They're not going to be thinking "They'll put this one into another building! Let's git em!" They're going to be thinking "They'll put this one into another building! Jesus please fly down from heaven and save me!"

Our only chance in the event of another 9/11 style hijack is to have people who are capable and trained in using deadly force onboard to take the terrorists down. Either keep our commercial jets packed with air marshals, or better yet allow passengers who are trained in these types of combat situations to remain armed while onboard.

stiletto_the_wise: I seriously doubt that.

I seem to recall some wannabe shoe bomber that would disagree with you on that.

So how are these buildings going to stop a tactial nuke?
Or some boat loaded with C4.
Or some guys luggage that has a bomb on it.

Sometimes you have to say "sh*t happens" and move on. Some of the stuff they are doing is OK, but some ideas simply won't work.

/Just me rambeling

We're freer than ever, Comrades!

stiletto_the_wise: Let's face it. Most people are total cowards.

Most people are also scared enough to beat down anyone who acts crazy on a plane. Just look at what happened to that terrorist, Richard Reid, and a host of other mentally unstable people that went nuts on a plane in the past several years.

czarangelus

Hey, freedom isn't free - you commie

/Isn't freedom from thought fun kids!

Well, they shouldn't have messed with his design in the first place.

stiletto_the_wise: Either keep our commercial jets packed with air marshals,

Oh yeah, and all flights have air marshals now, and these air martials have guns that fire special ammunition that is designed to hit and stay in a person's flesh instead of flying through and depressurizing the cabin.

This is a 12-story block combining classical neo-Georgian features with the efficiency of modern techniques. The tenants arrive here and are carried along the corridor on a conveyor belt in extreme comfort, past murals depicting Mediterranean scenes, towards the rotating knives. The last twenty feet of the corridor are heavily soundproofed. The blood pours down these chutes and the mangled flesh slurps into these...

The odds of an airliner being hijacked and flown into a building in the U.S. is next to zero.

Sarah Jessica Farker:



It opens doors, I'm telling you!

Most people are also scared enough to beat down anyone who acts crazy on a plane. Just look at what happened to that terrorist, Richard Reid, and a host of other mentally unstable people that went nuts on a plane in the past several years.

It's like if you're being attacked - you should yell "fire". No one responds to help.

If there's a crazy person on the plane, yell "SNAKES!!!OMG!!MOTHER FARKEN SNAKES ON THE PLANE!!!1!", then every mother farker will do something.....

Cool.

So this means they found a way to thermite-proof a building, right?

bbcrackmonkey

What is so bad about depressurising the cabin? Yes it is not a nice thing and you can get a really bad headache, but the plane is not going to fall out of the sky. There is emergency Oxygen in the plane and a pistol is not going to bring the plane crashing to earth.

2006-05-03 01:36:39 AM Crosshair


bbcrackmonkey

What is so bad about depressurising the cabin? Yes it is not a nice thing and you can get a really bad headache, but the plane is not going to fall out of the sky. There is emergency Oxygen in the plane and a pistol is not going to bring the plane crashing to earth.

I would have thought it would be quite an inconvenience to our friendly neighbourhood hijacker too.

Design for the new capital.



/Invade THAT, biatch!

2006-05-03 01:26:10 AM bbcrackmonkey
Most people are also scared enough to beat down anyone who acts crazy on a plane. Just look at what happened to that terrorist, Richard Reid, and a host of other mentally unstable people that went nuts on a plane in the past several years

Yes, but for the years before that, we were basically terrorizing OURSELVES. How so? Because before that, J. Random Normal would pull back from the nutzo, afraid to lay a beat down because of the probablity that nutzo's relatives would file a devastating lawsuit.

Before terrorism, as noted more or less in the article, we had lawsuits.

I know this puts a tremendous amount of responsibility on the pilots, but has anyone ever considered putting a button in the cockpit that locks down the cockpit and sleep gasses everyone in the passenger cabin? It would take down hijackers and allow the plane to have a perfect landing. If you made it only work by use of pilot and co-pilot key, then it would be near foolproof.

"If you made it only work by use of pilot and co-pilot key, then it would be near foolproof."

Except there is no perfect anaestesia. You'd get people who are

- dying from the gas
- choking on their own vomit
- getting brain damaged
- generally not having a good day.

why not build all our stuff underground? like the umbrella corperation :D

The Twin Towers were already built well enough to handle 2 airliner hits each and remain standing.

it doesn't matter how strong they are. Thermite will always take em down.

The easiest way to prevent hijackings is to replace the current cabin door with a bulkhead. Make the only door to the cockpit on the outside of the plane.

Apart from that, I'd imagine that any plane that veers too far off its flight plan will quickly get a fighter escort.

cpux: /Invade THAT, biatch!

"It's only a model..."

'Ha-ha, I don't care. I get some million-dollar reduction in my insurance payment because I have those damn metal detectors, so I don't care if they work.'

There's a big part of the problem right there. And don't get me started about IT security audits!

Quaid_PVC: The Twin Towers were already built well enough to handle 2 airliner hits each and remain standing.

it doesn't matter how strong they are. Thermite will always take em down.

Everyone point and laugh at the conspiracy theorist!

has anyone ever considered putting a button in the cockpit that locks down the cockpit and sleep gasses everyone in the passenger cabin?

The Russians found out that's a bad idea...

9/11 was an inside job.

Actually, I'd say that the Oklahoma City bombing started the trend

Oklahoma City proves that we need racial profiling to prevent terrorist attacks.

After all, if we had been on the lookout for middle-eastern men trying to buy fertilizer and rent a ryder truck, the Oklahoma City bombing never would have happened.

balthan: The easiest way to prevent hijackings is to replace the current cabin door with a bulkhead. Make the only door to the cockpit on the outside of the plane.

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I generally agree, except I think a flight attendant needs to be able to access them just in case. Or may be not, who knows.

Quaid_PVC: The Twin Towers were already built well enough to handle 2 airliner hits each and remain standing.

I saw an interview with one of the designers who coincidentally died in the WTC attacks, and he claimed that both the buildings were specifically designed to withstand an impact from the largest jetliner available in the 1970s.

He also then expressed his confidence that they could, in his opinion, take on hits by larger planes, which obviously they didn't.

And don't give me that thermite bullcrap, its too stupid. Osama admitted to it in their official November 2004 videotape and Al-Qaeda ever since then has released several press statements, none of them denying the attacks, most of them promising more terrorist attacks.

Personally I would wager that Al-Qaeda is insulted that you credit the US government with their attacks. They eventually took credit for them and are probably pissed that conspiracy nuts hate the US government so much that they'll blame it on somebody else besides the real killers.

El_swino
Of course, the "next 9/11" won't have anything to do with aircraft...

clearly, the next 9/11 will be from an ICBM. If you don't support the president's decision to spend billions upon billions of dollars on a missile defense system, then you're obviously in cahoots with Osama bin laden.

ceejayoz: The Russians found out that's a bad idea...

Well it was either use the knockout gas or have another Beslan massacre on your hands. IMO they did the only thing they could without giving into the terrorists demands.

has anyone ever considered putting a button in the cockpit that locks down the cockpit and sleep gasses everyone in the passenger cabin?

The Russians found out that's a bad idea...

Well, i don't want to use some freaky mystery gas. Like, if the cockpit was sealed, and the pilot just yelled EVERYONE GET DOWN and released some sort of knockout gas.

no fortress can protect from the enemy within.

balthan: The easiest way to prevent hijackings is to replace the current cabin door with a bulkhead. Make the only door to the cockpit on the outside of the plane.

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Besides, if that were the case, Jack Bauer would be farked.

Riotcow
Well, i don't want to use some freaky mystery gas. Like, if the cockpit was sealed, and the pilot just yelled EVERYONE GET DOWN and released some sort of knockout gas.

uhm, that's really only a foolproof solution on Star Trek, when your ship gets overrun by Romulans.

building-as-fortress thing really began with Oklahoma City... which makes much more sense, because it is actually practical and plausible to defend against a truck... not a plane.

Look at the federal building in san francisco for example ( if i had a pic i'd post, but can't find one)... the thing out front that was supposed to be a flat park is now a 16 foot-high junmble of concrete slopes seperating the building from the street.

I imagine federal buildings in other cities built or re-designed since the mid 90s are the same way.

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Besides, if that were the case, Jack Bauer would be farked.

No he wouldn't. Jack Bauer would land the plane from the baggage compartment if he had to. He can do anything. He's Jack Bauer.

"Osama admitted it"

Yeah, because the United States, home of Hollywood and amazing special effects that can make it look like a little green Jedi is in the same room with Samuel L. Jackson, could never fake a video of a guy the average American had never seen or heard of before 2001. The country that can make it appear that Tom Hanks is shaking hands with John F. Kennedy could never figure out how to slap a beard and turban on an actor and shoot a grainy video in a tent.

The gullibility of the masses is what made all this so damned easy to pull off.

Google Loose Change and hit the second link. the movie is phenominal

Holly

Actually people are stupid for even believing the WTC even existed in the first place.

The straight edge, boring tower images was chosen because that design was the easiest to photoshop into personal photos (Yes Kodak was in on this conspiracy too).

And I know those memories I have of seeing the second plane hit were planted. All this just to drive up the shares of duct tape manufacturers.

2006-05-03 02:04:00 AM Quaid_PVC
The Twin Towers were already built well enough to handle 2 airliner hits each and remain standing.

it doesn't matter how strong they are. Thermite will always take em down.

Goddamn, Quaid. Somebody call a proctologist, that must have hurt. I've never seen anybody pull quite that much out of his ass before.

The country that can make it appear that Tom Hanks is shaking hands with John F. Kennedy could never figure out how to slap a beard and turban on an actor and shoot a grainy video in a tent.

The gullibility of the masses is what made all this so damned easy to pull off.

Tell me about it. I said the same damn thing years ago.

Of course, these are also the same people with a provable lack of cause/effect relationship, and a total inability to think of alternate viewpoints.

Take any religious debate, for example...