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(Boston Globe)   Female college students arrested and jailed for drawing a peace sign on the sidewalk with colored chalk   ( divider line
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2006-05-01 12:41:46 AM  
Note that the article's "information" solely consists of the girl's version of events. She isn't telling the whole story.

The students weren't arrested for what they wrote, but for how they wrote it. Here's a hint: Sidewalk chalk is very big, and none of the girls used their hands.

/okay, I can't prove that, but that's how it would have happened in MY world, damnit!
2006-05-01 12:42:40 AM  
Riche: Wal-Mart could hire people to cover an entire sidewalk with ads in one night, for example.

tarrant84: What is to stop Wal-Mart from advertising on the sidewalk, then?

Action Replay Nick: Businesses know better than to invest money into an advertisement that would we worn or washed away within a day or two of placement.

Don't any of you guys remember this IBM stunt?

They did get in trouble for it, though (in San Francisco).
2006-05-01 12:43:09 AM  
because cops are impartial. Just like the rest of us...
2006-05-01 12:43:40 AM  
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that most local legislatures have probably banned sidewalk chalking not only because it's a nuisance but because it's also damging to the environment. It would be a pain if everytime a controversial bill came up there were hoards of people chalking the sidewalk outside townhall. It's unsightly and it's a pollutant. Go ahead and laugh all you want, sending loads of chalk dust into the stormwater drainage system would be a serious pollutant and no laughing matter, in fact it might break federal environmental protection laws. There are plenty of ways for you to exercise your free speech without defacing public property and polluting the environment. If the police only choose to enforce it infrequently that is up to them.

Anyone that wants to argue with me read up on total maximum daily loads, or TMDL before you do.
2006-05-01 12:44:04 AM  
So this crap of yours isn't getting a little old yet - is it???

pot v. kettle, rd. 1
2006-05-01 12:44:08 AM  
She says she now understands that chalking is illegal.

... and learned to love Big Brother.
2006-05-01 12:44:51 AM  
An old joke, updated for the Bush Administration...

Person 1: Did you hear? The police arrested Johny!
Person 2: But why would they arrest Johny? He was such a friendly, educated, contributing member of society!
Person 1: That's why.

/Not to say the only friendly, educated, contributing members of society are left-leaning....
//Some libertarians are friendly and educated...
2006-05-01 12:44:59 AM  
So this crap of yours isn't getting a little old yet - is it???

Hey, if you choose to support college peacenik liberals, feel free. I just happen to think they should be jailed, sterilized, or executed, preferably in the reverse order.
2006-05-01 12:45:10 AM  
Verizon tried it too:

And they, too, got fined.
2006-05-01 12:45:12 AM  
"Chalking" is not vandalism. To be vandalism, the markings would have to leave permanent damage (such as spray painting does).

This has nothing to do with damage to public property (especially since there was no damage). It's more of the same old Bushbot mentality bullshiat where dissent is a punishable offense.

Why does the Wellesley police hate America?
2006-05-01 12:45:36 AM

2006-05-01 12:46:02 AM  
Action Replay Nick: Hey, if you choose to support college peacenik liberals, feel free. I just happen to think they should be jailed, sterilized, or executed, preferably in the reverse order.

2006-05-01 12:46:12 AM  
Everyone who thinks that this crime should be treated the same as vandalizing a property with spraypaint should, in theory, also support the prosecution of people who grab a chick's ass on the same level as rape. Because vandalism is vandalism, and sexual assault is sexual assault...

Wait, are you saying that sometimes the means of the crime need to be taken into consideration when determining said crime's severity?

It's CHALK. Seriously, Chalk? If someone chalked my farking house, I would laugh for a second and then go to work. If I didn't know who had done it, I would come home and use a hose to clean the chalk off. Seriously, chalk?

I don't care about the message, I don't care about anything. It's chalk. They sell it as Toys R Us, and it washes off. Get over yourself, is this really what we have come to, jailing people for....chalk?
2006-05-01 12:50:11 AM  

That is a rational argument. I am sure that may be a factor as to why this is an illegal law. But I would wonder first of all if it is illegal and why it is.

Chalking is not completely benign, but i would say that it is not that harmful.

Sure we shouldnt let it be written on with chalk everyday and keep adding more, but I dont think that it is a crime to write on a sidewalk with chalk. besides what else could one do to protest, if not using such a method?
2006-05-01 12:50:13 AM  
rka: How pathetic and weak.

I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
2006-05-01 12:50:27 AM  

I hope someone follows you home from this thread and turns in your plate numbers for offering such a subversive suggestion.
2006-05-01 12:50:46 AM  
Did anyone else notice that Weaver95 starts stuttering/ misspelling words when he gets upset/ excited?

Read his last post before he leaves the forum. Have a nice night.

And stay the hell off my lawn!
2006-05-01 12:51:14 AM  
gerf: Irony: In 6 years, they'll be biatching to their housing committee corporation about how the neighbor's branches are shading their back lawn.

You're comparing something that's going to wash away in rain within a week to a permanent issue between neighbours? Man up nancy!
2006-05-01 12:51:15 AM  
Weaver95: The lefties have speant years trying to take religion, morality and spirituality out of public discourse...

oh come on. i can only read so many of these posts, mang. you seem like a relatively intellegent guy, and it boggles me that you buy into the exact thing that's making a total joke out of our political system on a whole. when you sling shiat to "the lefties" you're putting in shovelwork on that trench that's making this into a "my team vs your team" thing.

well, there's been at least one interesting side affect to all of it - a shallow, self absorbed generation that considers anti-war protests to be an excuse to hook up and..

woodstock. only they swapped out the LSD for iPods. this is nothing new. and now, like then, some are really in it. really. even though a lot of people aren't.

and claiming that younger people have no stock in the whole thing is completely asinine. i personally know three people in that country "we're never going to see". most of the guys packing up and heading out aren't 30 and 40 somethings, they're the guys from your town who can't afford college.

i'm not saying anything about where i stand politically or if i'm for against the war, mind you. i'm just pointing out a few things that you need to consider.
2006-05-01 12:52:01 AM  
These gals are hardly worth the breath to argue over, but the conversation regarding "peaceful protest" and Free Speech/Assembly I find compelling.

I continually hear the term "peaceful protest" when streets and doorways are blocked and even vandalism occurs. Is this okay? I suppose with a permit street closures are in order.

Am almost used to it here in SF Bay Area where "peaceful demonstrations" almost always contain some element of violence, and certainly verbal assault.

I am willing to stretch 1st ammendment rights as far as possible. How far?

To put it another way, those who care enough and are brave enough to protest to the point of getting arrested at times impress me. Some of those same folks who in turn gripe and moan about their treatment do not. Wussies!

/do the crime, take the time or the fine, be proud
//quit complaining!
2006-05-01 12:52:19 AM  
El_Swino wrote:

We're talking chalk on a sidewalk.

And there's not a GOT DAMN thing you can do about it.

Not when there's chalk on the motherfarking sidewalk.
2006-05-01 12:53:53 AM  
In my old neighborhood, the kids in the cul-de-sac would get together and write shiat all over the cul-de-sac and even on everyone's driveways and just turn it into their own personal recess zone. I'd be doing the lawn and they'd have hopscotch and shiat all next to my Honda.

You know what, tarrant? I DIDN'T GET A shiat.

OH NOES! They Chalked my driveway! Now my property values are teh dropped because I live in a neighborhood where people feel so safe their kids can run around. OH NOES.

You know what happened if I got tired of the sidewalk art? I waited until the kids were gone, and then I grabbed this invention called a "farking hose" and sprayed it with this substance called "water". Magically, the solvent power of water makes Chalk... DISAPPEAR!
2006-05-01 12:53:56 AM  
This reminds me of something that happened when I was a young'un.

My best friend Bobby and I hated, loathed, despised the mother of one of our friends. She was probably a good mom, but toward us she was just the most uppity biatch you can imagine. No one was good enough to play with her sons, and it made them and us miserable.

So, one day, my friend obtained a box of our friend's sidewalk chalk, and in the dead of night scrawled


in screaming, foot-tall letters on their driveway. All of us knew who did it, and within a day the secret was out. As punishment, Bobby had to bring a pot of hot water from his house and wash off the driveway. He walked down the street in lacy, pink oven mitts carrying the pot. We all laughed.

"Don't laugh", he said. "Someday, you'll all have to do your own potwalk."

These were the last words of wisdom from my childhood.
2006-05-01 12:54:01 AM  
Riotcow: Detroit_Bob: I love your multiple assumptions that go into your sentence.

Thank you!
2006-05-01 12:54:04 AM
2006-05-01 12:54:26 AM  
It's absurd to arrest dumb hippie chicks when psychotic traitors like John Kerry and Mary McCarthy are not contained within electric fences and steel bars.
2006-05-01 12:54:49 AM  
Sliding Carp:
I said, "I didn't get nothin'. I had to pay fifty dollars and pick up the garbage."

golf clap.
2006-05-01 12:55:21 AM  
Some farkin kids chalked a sidewalk that I use every day to get home. Punk-ass no-good troublemakers.
2006-05-01 12:56:47 AM  
ChicoEscuela: I continually hear the term "peaceful protest" when streets and doorways are blocked and even vandalism occurs. Is this okay? I suppose with a permit street closures are in order.

Stop turning this into an anti-assembly rant. This is about chalk on a sidewalk. The public isn't inconvenienced, no streets are closed, no doorways were blocked, no chanting was done. You gonna make my 8yr old get a permit from the city to draw a hopscotch?
2006-05-01 12:56:57 AM  
Peace signs? bah.

Had she drawn that, people would have been praising her. Damn hippies need to get their priorities straight!

/didn't RTFA
//Just kidding. peace. love. happiness. i'm all for it!!
/// - that guy is AMAZING!
2006-05-01 12:57:03 AM  
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why today's 'anti-war' crowd is doomed to failure. They lack the courage of their convictions.

I have to agree there. I think that the current anti-war movement is disorganized and misguided. Mostly I can't stand how they lump in afirmative-action support into their agenda for a protest. Like the one in DC in 2003.

Also I think many do lack courage in their convictions.
2006-05-01 12:57:15 AM  
Mods, please dont ban me for the owl. But these are done in chalk, same day this event happened. This was done at the Savannah Sidwewalk Arts Festival (pops) using colored chalk
2006-05-01 12:57:55 AM  
Felgraf: As someone who is, as far as I can tell, largely anti-war, it frustrates the HELL out of me how my generation has absolutely no concept of civil disobedience, and of the concepts of non-violence.

That's because too many people have bought into the kool-aid from the right that protests are useless and evil. I mean when the President of our country says that he "doesn't really like boycotts" what can you expect. Our generation thinks that the best way to protest things is to write an angry post on Fark of Freep or Democratic Underground. People are too afraid of the reactionary backlash after the protest to actually organize one. Think whatever you want about the immigrant protest tomorrow, at least the organizers have the balls to do it.
2006-05-01 12:58:08 AM  
ElBarto79: chalk dust into the stormwater drainage system would be a serious pollutant

So classrooms are the equivalent of what? Chernobyl? Any documentation on the effects of 10 grams of chalk on the environment?

Either way, the point is not whether it is illegal, but whether it should have been handled through jail time.

/the answer is no
2006-05-01 12:58:14 AM  

2006-05-01 12:59:54 AM  
And he was like, 'Nope, you've lost your chance.'

In today's lesson we learn that you don't, like, mouth off to the cops.

BTW, start acting your age. You are supposed to be young women, not little girls who draw on the sidewalk.
2006-05-01 01:01:38 AM  
I'll never get sick of people criticizing the left when it comes to charity or activism.

When I was part of an organiztion for charitable events in high school, it was criticized for inaction when we were limited for a few months to only selling pizza afterschool for a diabetes cause.

When we had a massive concert which raised $2500 for medical relief for Sudan, we were criticized fairly widely for not campaigning for a local or at least national cause. I was personally accused of doing the event to skim money off of the top.

On top of that, the town-wide free tutoring service we afforded to any student of any age was immediatley brushed off by many as done for our own self-image.

Moral of the story: You'll never please everyone, but don't let it stop you from helping people.
2006-05-01 01:01:55 AM  
Bert not impressed...
2006-05-01 01:02:06 AM  

Damn. that is fantastic.
2006-05-01 01:02:53 AM  
Know which part of this concerns me the most? It is reflective of a trend in modern American society in which every institution has a spokesperson who does little more than provide mindless yet unequivocal defenses of whatever that institution has done. I mean, clearly, that's their job, but just hearing one police spokesperson say "Our officers were out of line, and we'd like to apologize," would go a long way towards calming my fears of a Baghdad-Bob-style future.
2006-05-01 01:03:15 AM  
The lefties have speant years trying to take religion, morality and spirituality out of public discourse..

As a long time moderate conservative, I wish people who spout such bullshiat would just STFU. The accusation is not true and just makes the conservative movement look like a bunch of paranoid retards.
2006-05-01 01:03:17 AM  
ratbert: In today's lesson we learn that you don't, like, mouth off to the cops.

Todays Lesson: "You thought you lived in the US, where the cops work to protect your rights? HA HA! Sorry, bub. Year is 1935. The place, Berlin."
2006-05-01 01:04:38 AM  
I guess this is the Freedom© the world hates you for?
2006-05-01 01:05:01 AM  
Unbelievable. I'm ashamed to call myself a citizen of this country.
2006-05-01 01:05:03 AM  
I'm telling you, it's out of control!

2006-05-01 01:05:48 AM  
ratbert: In today's lesson we learn that you don't, like, mouth off to the cops.
You must respect mah ah-thori-tay!

Oh, and asking what you did wrong isn't mouthing off, just in case you didn't rtfa
2006-05-01 01:06:23 AM  
Sort of off topic, but I've seen some absolutely incredible chalkart in downtown Halifax. It's amazing to see these people work.
Here are some examples (from the interwebs, not from ones I've seen):
2006-05-01 01:06:29 AM  
So honestly, who doesn't like these girls because:

a) they are, ostensibly, liberal, pro-peace activists (hippies)
b) women
c) college students
d) women college students
e) liberal women college students

or is it really all about putting chalk on a sidewalk?

Perhaps we should jail all jaywalkers, too?
2006-05-01 01:06:43 AM  
Weaver95: The lefties have speant years trying to take religion, morality and spirituality out of public discourse...

Yeah. Because no leftist EVER marches or objects to the Iraq War on Moral Grounds...

And no progressive Catholic has ever taken a religious stance AGAINST the Death Penalty..

And no African-American minister or politician has EVER suggested a spiritual approach to the way government or citizens should treat each other...


/regurgitated GOP talking points taste worse when they come back up.....

//Proud Fighter For the Moral, Religious and Spiritual Left

///Slashies Rule!
2006-05-01 01:06:58 AM  
Calvin Hobbes: I would be interested to know the rate of serious injuries. If you are dealing with bombs (or IEDs if you like that term better) I would think that the armor would help a lot. I'd expect to see a dramatic increase in blindings and amputations and a lot less deaths.

Because of body armor, the majority of injuries are to the extremities. These injuries are not any less dangerous than body hits, but they don't kill as fast.
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